Student-teacher dynamics vs. parent-teacher dynamics

Robert Hall7 said:Sorry to drop in on you all like this, but I need to vent about my terrible experience with teachers. My younger daughter started high school, and the trouble began in freshman year. Her math teacher pegged her immediately—mostly because my husband used to be a homeroom teacher there decades ago. Her very first sentence to my girl was basically: "I give As, the top students get Bs, and the rest of you will be graded based on how much you struggle." Total nonsense. She clearly didn't know her own subject and was just looking for targets. She sent my daughter straight to her friend for private tutoring. They just pass students back and forth like that. This woman teaches math at the high school, while her friend handles it at the local vocational school. Smart kids see right through the game.

Then, halfway through the semester, her English teacher told her she wasn't the kind of student worth paying attention to, and that she wasn't worth his time. My daughter is actually incredibly bright; she has a sharp memory and even won a few awards for her American literature presentations. But the behavior of the teachers, the principal, and the staff resulted in her refusing to go to school by the start of her senior year. Retaking math in 9th grade, chemistry and physics in 10th, and then chemistry again in 11th... it became a routine.

When I finally moved her to another city, I lived in constant anxiety waiting for the end of the year. She commuted every single day 25 miles to school. When report cards were handed out, I went to the school myself. My first question to the advisor was simply: "Which subjects does she have to retake?" The woman just stared at me blankly and asked, "Ma'am, what is your problem?" It turns out, she passed with honors. We made a mistake by not moving her sooner; I could see how traumatized she was. Her self-esteem was shot. She was terrified of everything until she finally relaxed. I was stunned when I saw the grades. Sure, it wasn't a perfect 4.0, but it was a 3.9. And when graduation results came in? Very good.

Just so you know, I spent every week at that first school, sitting down with the advisor, the principal, the counselor, and the teachers. She wasn't a teacher's pet because she wasn't raised to kiss up to anyone; she was taught to state her mind. That absolutely wounded these educators. She ended up on a blacklist.

A message to any mom starting this thread: change schools immediately. If you don't, your child will develop an inferiority complex, they'll grow to hate school, they'll start acting out in protest, they'll refuse to study, and you'll end up with massive problems. Save your child. Don't make my mistake. Act fast. Talking to the teachers and the administration won't get you anywhere. It's a closed circle; they protect their own and always claim to be right. The fact that a child feels worthless or gets mocked by the class doesn't matter to them. I'm telling you, I lived through all of this. It wasn't pretty, and it certainly wasn't pleasant. I won't even write about how my daughter felt or what happened next, because it was truly horrific. Moving to the new school brought peace to both of us. She went on to an incredible college and is doing great. As for those teachers? When we run into them now, they look at the ground.

Seriously, how is it even possible that after transferring a child to a different school, you didn't think to pick up the phone and call their former teacher, at the very least?

Rachel Jones8, you totally made the right call.
I just really hope the kid doesn't realize you only headed back to school to play the role of the big-shot professor.

Linda Price5 said:Seriously, how is it even possible that after transferring a child to a different school, you didn't think to pick up the phone and call their former teacher, at the very least?

That part jumped out at me too.
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How can you (not you, obviously) actually show up to pick up report cards at the end of the year feeling terrified... thinking your kid might not even get one?
I mean, why even go? And what kind of parent goes to a high school just to collect a report card anyway? 🙄 ....
Did they really not hear anything during parent-teacher conferences or get any updates all year? Didn't they trust their own kid was passing the grade... especially with a 3.0 GPA?
After everything they went through with the kid before, how can they be totally clueless about what's happening at the school for an entire year? 😕

Rachel Jones8 said:That part jumped out at me too.
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How can you (not you, obviously) actually show up to pick up report cards at the end of the year feeling terrified... thinking your kid might not even get one?
I mean, why even go? And what kind of parent goes to a high school just to collect a report card anyway? 🙄 ....
Did they really not hear anything during parent-teacher conferences or get any updates all year? Didn't they trust their own kid was passing the grade... especially with a 3.0 GPA?
After everything they went through with the kid before, how can they be totally clueless about what's happening at the school for an entire year? 😕

Exactly... if you only make it to half the scheduled meetings and maybe grab three quick chats with teachers throughout the whole academic year, then sure, you'll suddenly have this sudden realization of where your kid's grades actually stand.

I work a full-time job, and sometimes, honestly, the thought of dragging myself to a PTA meeting or heading down to the high school makes me feel physically ill from exhaustion, but it's my responsibility and I go, whether I'm starving or totally wiped out.
If there's truly no way I can make it, I do the one thing I used to find awkward: I just call the teacher on the phone. It doesn't feel quite "right", but since the option is there, I take advantage of it.

I don't even know where to start with this one. Honestly, I'm just sitting here staring at my screen, trying to process the sheer absurdity of it all. It’s like, does anyone else feel like we're just living in some weird, glitchy simulation lately? Or is it just me? Probably just me. I'm probably losing my mind. Anyway, I was thinking about what Brandon Newman95 said earlier—and yeah, I'm looking right at that comment—and it just hits a nerve. It’s frustrating. You try to make sense of things, you try to follow the rules, and then someone comes along and just... flips the table. It's exhausting. I've been sitting here for twenty minutes just venting to my coffee, and honestly, the caffeine isn't even helping at this point. Everything feels so disjointed. Just... messy. kaže:
Look, sorry for crashing this thread like a total wrecking ball, but I honestly just need to vent about this nightmare experience I’m having with teachers. My youngest daughter just started high school, and the drama kicked off practically on day one of freshman year. The math teacher—who basically targeted her immediately because my husband used to be a homeroom teacher back in the day—didn't even bother being subtle. Her very first "welcome" speech? She basically told the class, "God knows who gets an A, maybe some of you get a B, the top students might scrape a C, and as for the rest of you... well, you'll get what you earn." Are you kidding me? Seriously? If you don't actually know how to teach the material, you're just a lost cause. It’s pathetic. And then, get this—she immediately sent my girl straight to her buddy for private tutoring. It’s such a blatant racket! They just pass students back and forth like they’re trading baseball cards. This woman is teaching math at the high school, while her little friend runs a tutoring gig over at the local vocational school. Any kid with half a brain is going to see exactly what kind of shady hustle is going on here.

So, I was reading about this kid, and honestly? It makes my blood boil. This teacher—this supposed educator—straight up told her halfway through the semester that she wasn't worth his attention. He basically told her she wasn't "worth his time." Are you kidding me? That is some absolute bottom-of-the-barrel, toxic behavior right there. And the kicker? She’s brilliant. Like, genuinely sharp. She’s got an incredible memory and used to sweep awards for her American literature presentations and stuff. But because this one teacher, along with the principal and a bunch of other faculty members, decided to be total bullies, the poor girl just completely shut down. By the start of 4th grade, she refused to even step foot in the school building. I mean, look at the pattern here. She was constantly having to retake math exams in 1st grade, then chemistry and physics in 2nd, then more chemistry in 3rd. It’s like the whole system was stacked against her. How can you expect a kid to succeed when the adults in charge are actively tearing them down instead of teaching them? It's pathetic. Truly pathetic.

So, I moved her to a different city—you know, with all that extra stress and anxiety involved—and honestly? I was just sitting there waiting for the year to finally wrap up. She was out traveling every single day. Just constant movement. 25 miles So, I headed down to the high school today when they started handing out report cards and those dreaded summer school notices. Right off the bat, the teachers were being grilled by parents asking, "Okay, which subjects does my kid need to retake?" And then this one teacher just stares at me—dead serious—and goes, "Ma'am, what is your problem?" Listen, she graduated with honors. Seriously. Honestly, it was a huge mistake not to hand her results privately, because the poor kid was totally traumatized. Her confidence was shot to pieces; she was shaking and terrified until she finally managed to chill out a bit. I was honestly in shock just looking at the grades. I mean, yeah, she didn't pull a perfect 4.0, but she had a 3.8. When the final SAT scores came in? Very good. She's doing fine, people need to back off.

Look, I’m telling you, back in elementary school, I was there every single week. I was constantly in those offices—talking to the principal, the guidance counselor, the teachers, whoever. I wasn't some little teacher's pet, either. They didn't raise me to kiss ass; they raised me to actually stand my ground and say what I thought. And because she wouldn't just play along and nod her head? It absolutely crushed her. She had this incredible talent for teaching, but since she refused to suck up, they put her on a blacklist. Just like that. Gone.

Listen, if you’re reading this, listen up: move your kid to a different school immediately. Seriously. If you wait, they’re going to develop such a massive inferiority complex that they’ll end up hating education altogether. They'll start acting out just to spite the system, refusing to study, and then you're stuck dealing with a nightmare of a situation at home. Save your child now. Don't make the same mistake I did. And don't even bother trying to "talk it out" with the administration or the faculty. It’s a waste of breath. Talking to teachers and the school elite gets you absolutely nowhere. It’s an old boys' club—they protect their own, and in their eyes, the teacher is always right, no matter how wrong they actually are. The fact that your kid feels worthless or that their classmates are mocking them? The school doesn't care. Nobody cares. I’m telling you, I lived through all of this myself. It was miserable, and honestly, looking back, it was just plain ugly. I won't even get into what my daughter went through or how she reacted because... look, things happened that were just too traumatic to even type out here. Switching her to a new school changed everything. It brought peace to her and to me. She ended up getting into an amazing university and she's doing great now. And those teachers from the old school? Every time we run into them in public, they can't even look us in the eye. They hang their heads. Just do it. Move them.

I’m signing off on this one. Seriously. I've lived it. It was back in elementary school—just those early years, grades 1 through 4. This teacher? She had her little "favorites." A handful of kids she absolutely adored because they were straight-A students. Fast forward to today, and those "golden children" have turned out to be absolute washouts. Meanwhile, a few of us who actually worked hard managed to pull through. I made it through college, though I'm currently grinding through my last two exams and my thesis after dealing with some major health issues over the last couple of years. But back then? In that classroom? Nobody noticed anything. They didn't see the struggles I had just trying to express myself or the issues with my handwriting—stuff that could have been fixed if anyone had actually cared. Instead, I just dealt with constant humiliation. It was brutal. Honestly, I only started finding my footing once I hit high school. That was my rebirth. But looking back at that elementary teacher... man, she used to tell me straight to my face that I wouldn't amount to anything. That I was useless. Total waste of space. My parents really messed up by not pulling me out of that class or transferring me to a different room sooner. They should've seen it.
Teachers just shouldn't be belittling kids. Kids are sensitive, period—especially when they're navigating that awkward transition from elementary school to middle school.
What she did was totally wrong. She should've pulled him aside after class to see if everything was okay or checked his file for any specific issues. But hey, teachers always end up looking out for their own.
The worst part was how she singled him out at the chalkboard. I mean, sure, we all had to answer questions at the front of the room or write on the board, but this was different.
The mom did the right thing stepping in, but honestly? Sometimes you have to let the kid learn how to stand up for themselves. He should've gone straight to the homeroom teacher or whatever. Learning to fight your own battles is a life skill he’s gonna need eventually.
She actually apologized in front of the whole class. If the roles were reversed and the kid had done that to her, he would've been in massive trouble. And for the record, don't think I'm some clueless kid; I'm juggling college and a full-time job.

Larry Walker24 said:Listen, the teacher just apologized in front of the whole class! As far as I'm concerned, case closed.

But man, it blows my mind that there's zero mention of her having dyslexia anywhere! That's a massive oversight.

at least for this time. ☕

Who knows how many times she’s snapped like that at kids before? Honestly, I find it hard to believe this was some one-off thing (and sadly, probably won't be the last). It's just that kids get used to it, so they don't even bother telling their parents. And if they do mention it? Most parents barely blink an eye. I remember back in high school, we were the troublemakers—total outcasts, lazy slackers, and according to some teachers, just plain idiots. We were basically destined for a life of crime, or so they thought! I never breathed a word to my folks, and neither did anyone else. If a teacher was having a bad day or was just in a foul mood, they'd blow up, and we’d just move on. Besides, if parents actually made a scene, it usually just ended up blowing up in our faces. Easier to just keep the peace... 🤷

If it were up to me, I’d send teachers like that to a mandatory course on child psychology and applied pedagogy. One more comment like that to a student and she’d be looking for a new job in a totally different field.

Larry Howard4 said:I wanted to weigh in here. In my experience working in the US school system, the homeroom teacher is basically the one who flags subject teachers if a student is struggling with anything specific. At the start of the school year, the rosters aren't even fully updated yet—it's just a list of names. We honestly don't have the bandwidth to dig into every single kid's background right away.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not making excuses for the teacher. I choose my words very carefully because the last thing I want to do is hurt a child, but she definitely handled this poorly.
That said, threatening her with termination feels like overkill. She apologized, she clearly got the message, and I'm pretty sure it won't happen again.
Maybe it’s just my professional bias talking, but look at the flip side: if a student told a teacher they were stupid, they probably wouldn't face any disciplinary action at all. In most American schools nowadays, given how things work, they likely wouldn't even get a slap on the wrist.

Probably, if we're talking about elementary school.

I wouldn't agree regarding high school. Luckily.

I'm also one of those people who suspects this isn't the first time a teacher has snapped like this. But maybe it *is* the first time a parent has actually held them accountable.😁
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A final warning before firing is the appropriate response for insulting a student so crudely; one more slip-up and she'd be out of the school system entirely for calling her own student an idiot.☕

James Perez54 said:Probably, if we're talking about elementary school.

I wouldn't agree regarding high school. Luckily.

I'm also one of those people who suspects this isn't the first time a teacher has snapped like this. But maybe it *is* the first time a parent has actually held them accountable.😁
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A final warning before firing is the appropriate response for insulting a student so crudely; one more slip-up and she'd be out of the school system entirely for calling her own student an idiot.☕

You don't just kick people out of their jobs like that—it's not like they hand out yellow cards and warnings like it's some soccer match.
If a teacher is struggling with communication, you deal with it by sitting down with a counselor, a psychologist, or the principal. You track their progress and work, and things usually get better if everyone actually gives a damn.
But honestly, all too often, especially in smaller towns, principals lack any real pedagogical training, making it incredibly hard to even flag these issues in the first place.
Plus, if a kid grew up in a supportive home where their self-esteem was actually nurtured, these kinds of outbursts won't do much damage. But a child who's already struggling? They absolutely need to be shielded from these verbal attacks.

"If this happens, if that happens, it usually goes like this..." while at the local unemployment office, you see plenty of people who actually love their profession and children in general, and they don't have any issues communicating.

Working with kids is demanding and highly specialized; frankly, the hiring standards for teachers and professors ought to be set at a much higher level than what we currently see in the US.

amberskipper3 said:You don't just kick people out of their jobs like that—it's not like they hand out yellow cards and warnings like it's some soccer match.
If a teacher is struggling with communication, you deal with it by sitting down with a counselor, a psychologist, or the principal. You track their progress and work, and things usually get better if everyone actually gives a damn.
But honestly, all too often, especially in smaller towns, principals lack any real pedagogical training, making it incredibly hard to even flag these issues in the first place.
Plus, if a kid grew up in a supportive home where their self-esteem was actually nurtured, these kinds of outbursts won't do much damage. But a child who's already struggling? They absolutely need to be shielded from these verbal attacks.

I mostly agree with that, but honestly, that's not even my main concern here. Think about it—if you're working a service job, like a cashier at Target or someone behind a counter at Starbucks, and you start asking customers, "Are you an idiot?" there wouldn't be any debate. You mess up once like that, and you're fired on the spot. Boom, gone. But when it comes to public school teachers and students, it's a whole different story, right? It's never that simple. Suddenly it's all excuses, stories, and "well, they meant well..." People don't just get handed pink slips in other industries, but in education, it feels like there's this massive cushion. I just can't wrap my head around why we have such double standards...🤷

Jason Ortiz5 said:I mostly agree with that, but honestly, that's not even my main concern here. Think about it—if you're working a service job, like a cashier at Target or someone behind a counter at Starbucks, and you start asking customers, "Are you an idiot?" there wouldn't be any debate. You mess up once like that, and you're fired on the spot. Boom, gone. But when it comes to public school teachers and students, it's a whole different story, right? It's never that simple. Suddenly it's all excuses, stories, and "well, they meant well..." People don't just get handed pink slips in other industries, but in education, it feels like there's this massive cushion. I just can't wrap my head around why we have such double standards...🤷

Look, I haven't personally seen anyone lose their job over something much bigger than being called "stupid," which is why I find it ridiculous to insist on a "yellow card" for a first mistake when I see a mountain of infractions being ignored entirely.
And honestly? I highly doubt there isn't someone out there who has messed up a few times without getting fired.
Of course, it depends on the nature of the error, the fallout, and whether they actually own up to it.

But if we lived in a system where everyone had a guillotine hanging over their heads after a single slip-up, people would be absolutely paralyzed by pressure. Nobody is perfect. It really just boils down to how much effort someone puts into fixing their mess or preventing it from happening again.
Thankfully, people aren't constantly facing execution, so I guess the "mass firing" scenario isn't quite as widespread as some suggest.

In my book, I wouldn't fire someone for making a mistake; I’d fire the person who thinks there’s nothing to fix or mitigate—the one who insists that doing it wrong is just "how things work." Now *that* person? Gone.
The first person, though? I'd just guide them toward what acceptable behavior actually looks like.

That whole "methodological principle" about not just telling kids what *not* to do, but showing them what they *should* do... it's a bit laughable.
The kicker is that unless someone provides you with a model of good practice—you know, based on actual experience—how are you supposed to know better? Behavior is a skill you have to learn, and if nobody tells you that you're failing, how can you possibly realize it?

I mean, look at how many families scream at their kids, insult them, or belittle them—it’s treated as totally normal. If someone grows up in that environment and never stops to self-reflect, they won't even realize they’re behaving poorly.

My own mother didn't even realize she was using objectively terrible parenting tactics until I pointed them out—and trust me, I've definitely spotted some questionable moves over the years.

I once met a person whose entire job is training faculty, and she talks about her own childhood beatings with such nostalgia, justifying the old mindset of "just screw around during class, and you'll pay for it during the exam." A student learning from her isn't going to pick up anything constructive if she doesn't take a hard look at herself. And how many people actually reflect? Most just pass the test and move on, relying on whatever bad habits they picked up because no one ever told them those habits were wrong—instead, the old, broken system just keeps patting itself on the back.

It's the same thing with teachers overlooking cheating, or handing out unearned A's, or the "teacher's pet" receiving special treatment—all of which insults a student's intelligence and spits on the entire educational system. There's a whole laundry list of it.

People will get offended if you call them "dumb," but they won't blink an eye at a grade that was handed out as a favor... yet both actions cause real damage.
Thanks to this culture of cutting corners, I've encountered people in regular college programs who genuinely can't divide 12 by 4, claiming "dyslexia" is the culprit. Seriously? Dyslexia? They can't follow a simple verbal instruction or a written task? Really? I'm certain they know exactly how much change they need when they're buying a beer at a bar. Yet, they cruised through elementary and high school just fine.
Honestly, I’d fire someone like that—not because they failed, but because the system let them slide. If they truly don't know, fine. But if they're just refusing to learn, then shame on the people who made excuses for them and taught them how to dodge responsibility. Way to go. 👎
(Apparently, reading comprehension wasn't a priority for math, but it works perfectly for Facebook and those heavy literature courses...)

So, we’re looking at a few more generations before this really shifts—until then, the focus has to be on systematic education. Sanctions aren't exactly a teaching tool, and let’s be honest, just "loving what you do" isn't some magic shield against making mistakes. Plus, seeing someone working on the trading floor doesn't actually tell you a damn thing about their competence. You have to invest heavily in a skilled professional; they don't just roll out of a university with a perfect GPA ready to conquer Wall Street. Real-world application is a constant, daily grind of challenges.
Besides, you need someone to call you out when you mess up—we aren't always great at spotting our own blind spots, and if things aren't pointed out immediately, they're easy to forget.

silverraven14, you ever think about jumping over to the private sector for a bit? 😁

Man, people really do burn themselves out at work. It’s just that at places like FedEx, everything is scheduled out decades in advance, so you basically just have to chill out before your shift and grit your teeth through it...

silverraven14 said:So, teachers get two strikes, regardless of what kind of mistake it was.

Does that rule apply everywhere else? Like, should we be looking to fire a bank teller for failing to pass along paperwork, or someone who typos an address, or just having a rough day? Or a bus driver, or a cashier at Target...

Look, people mess up. Pointing out a mistake is part of the job—obviously.

But tossing around formal warnings as a precursor to firing someone?
Would you demand a disciplinary write-up if kids cheated on a test, or if a teacher gave out unearned grades, showed favoritism, snapped at a student, covered up a broken window, or had a bad sense of humor that hurt someone’s feelings—even if they didn't realize they'd caused offense?

It happens. We make piles of mistakes every single day, and plenty of them are unacceptable.
But once you realize it, or someone calls you out, you react, you learn, and you try to do better.

Yes, you're allowed to have a bad day and not be "perfectly upbeat" all the time; if you can shake it off, then fine.
Ideally, those moments should be kept to a minimum.

But honestly, how many of us haven't thought, "Stop messing with me, you idiot"? Everyone needs a moment before things escalate into verbalizing that thought.

What she said was blunt, sure. But in my book, that isn't grounds for a termination warning.
It’s actually a good sign that she publicly admitted she screwed up. There's hope there—that she'll learn from it and be more careful next time. She might slip up again; she's a human being, not a robot. A million different things influence how you perceive a situation and how you react.
It takes a lot of practice.

But let's be real: if people weren't willing to show some grace for your mistakes, and if apologies didn't carry any weight, I wonder how long any of us would actually last in our jobs.

Firing should happen when there's a pattern of grievances—when someone refuses to fix the situation and just insists on doing things their own way. That's why management needs to be aware of the context. One bad joke, a student dragging their feet while your clock is ticking, or a kid being a smart-ass can throw anyone off balance and lead to a mistake.
What matters most is what follows the error.

I haven't met a single person who is infallible or hasn't said something inappropriate at some point in their life...

Now, repeating the same errors over and over, or a constant stream of different mistakes stemming from the same core issue, combined with a refusal to improve or a stubborn attitude? Yeah, that's grounds for dismissal.

Verbal aggression is deeply rooted in our culture, and it's incredibly hard to never lash out. Manipulation falls under that umbrella too—verbal abuse. There are about 15 different types of it.
In my opinion, what turns an action into abuse is the reaction afterward and the underlying intent.
If a person realizes how badly they messed up and genuinely tries to make amends, I wouldn't label that as abuse; I’d be ready to say, "Alright, let's move past this."
But if the goal was to make the other person feel small, or if they don't care that the person felt hurt—then yes, that's abuse.

People often don't realize how much stuff qualifies as verbal abuse. Assuming someone is acting with pure malice right out of the gate is a very slippery slope.

There are negative actions that can be repaired and relationships mended, and then there are the ones that are irreparable. For the latter, fire them immediately. For the former, you observe.
Since part of the evaluation depends on how the recipient feels, rushing to terminate someone is pretentious. For instance, someone might take great offense because a teacher says "no" firmly, even after explaining the reasoning fifty times previously. People don't have infinite patience; it's a question of where everyone's limit lies and which day it happens.

We all have that one person who gets under our skin, and we react. Sometimes it's your husband telling you that you went too far because you couldn't see it yourself. It doesn't matter how much education or willpower you have; you aren't a robot. You're driven by emotions—which are often stronger than a paycheck—especially when you don't have massive pressure from above crushing your spirit.
And you want your child to forgive you. That's just human.
Why shouldn't we give others the chance to forgive us, too?

Even a child learns who no longer deserves forgiveness. They feel it. It doesn't need to be a strictly codified tally. Sometimes one mistake is too many, but sometimes we can handle ten if we see genuine progress, effort, and accountability.

I think this conflict was handled reasonably by both sides, and I hope we won't be hearing about it again.
Honestly, a formal written warning feels like total overkill at this stage.

I’m reading through this thread right now and I have to weigh in.

You're comparing apples to oranges here. This isn't about a teacher accidentally logging the wrong grade in the system—that would be the equivalent of the lost paperwork or the typo you mentioned. No, she stood up in front of the entire class and mocked a kid who struggles with reading and writing. If a child doesn't have dyslexia, she still shouldn't talk to them like that, especially in cases like this.

By the way, if a clerk at a place like Chase Bank walked up to a client and asked if they were stupid or just acting stupid, they wouldn't have to worry about getting a formal warning before being fired. 😉

Yeah, people mess up. But humiliating a kid in front of their peers and indirectly implying they're slow? Sorry, but there is absolutely no excuse for that. I really hope this reaches the principal and that this teacher gets a serious reprimand so she never thinks about speaking to a student like that again, or asking them if they're stupid.

edit: Just realized Jason Ortiz5 wrote something similar. 🙂

Jason Ortiz5 said:I mostly agree with that, but honestly, that's not even my main concern here. Think about it—if you're working a service job, like a cashier at Target or someone behind a counter at Starbucks, and you start asking customers, "Are you an idiot?" there wouldn't be any debate. You mess up once like that, and you're fired on the spot. Boom, gone. But when it comes to public school teachers and students, it's a whole different story, right? It's never that simple. Suddenly it's all excuses, stories, and "well, they meant well..." People don't just get handed pink slips in other industries, but in education, it feels like there's this massive cushion. I just can't wrap my head around why we have such double standards...🤷

That double standard stems from an outdated, flawed belief that teachers are somehow special—that they perform work exempt from standard rules, or shouldn't be subject to them. It’s this idea that teaching isn't "of this world," and therefore ordinary citizens (read: non-teachers) have no right to say a damn word when it comes to education.

Jason Ortiz5 said:silverraven14, you ever think about jumping over to the private sector for a bit? 😁

Man, people really do burn themselves out at work. It’s just that at places like FedEx, everything is scheduled out decades in advance, so you basically just have to chill out before your shift and grit your teeth through it...

I know people who snap because they're constantly cleaning up someone else's mess, but I don't see anyone snapping out of fear of being fired when *they* are the ones who made the mistake. In fact, it seems like nobody actually cares about mistakes; if anything, the person responsible just denies they even happened if anyone dares to mention them.
And honestly, I know all about those cases where the blame gets shifted to the wrong person, too.

I just don't see anyone getting a "yellow card" warning after a first mistake and then actually taking responsibility for it.

So, yeah, a public lynching is overkill and it’s certainly not going to change the collective mindset. *That* is what actually matters, not just shouting down one single teacher.
Demanding accountability and damage control is fine—for this situation and a whole bunch of similar ones—and that can actually drive change. Talking to other parents and spreading the idea will do more for society than firing one person.

What, should we just start handing out termination notices for every little slip-up?

Besides, some people commit violence and cause harm with much more subtle methods; this "you're stupid" approach is at least easy to identify and deal with.

Look, there are bad employees, plain and simple. But just as we generally agree that slapping a child isn't a foundation for good parenting, threatening someone with termination isn't a foundation for developing a quality educator.

I've already said quite a bit about how our educational system is failing to properly train its training staff.
Maybe you'll feel the reality of it yourselves when you make a mistake due to lack of experience and find yourself facing a pink slip. Perhaps then you'll realize that working in constant fear isn't exactly a great way to live...

Thanks for the question, but I am well aware of the reality around me, and I truly believe you can't fix bad behavior by using bad methods. So, go ahead, hand out your self-righteous corrective slaps and try to build "respect" through intimidation 🤷
Personally, that's just distasteful to me. I prefer humanity, understanding mistakes, and giving people a second chance—provided, of course, they admit the mistake and actually want to improve.

I have no idea what kind of teacher this is, or whether she's being fake or sincere, but I'm talking about the general approach here. I'm trying to explain that jumping straight to "warning before firing" isn't something to be tossed around lightly, despite the calls for a lynching and comments like "she wouldn't do that to my kid" or "I'll show her"... For crying out loud, don't raise children to be fragile. A hundred people might tell you the teacher was wrong, but you need to teach the child how to handle it—both the situation and their own reaction to it. You can't threaten his boss with a lawsuit, but you can teach your child how to stand up for themselves—so that one day they can look a manager in the eye and say, "You shouldn't have handled that conversation that way."

I still think what happened here is perfectly fine given the current circumstances, and we should just wait to see how it develops.

It’s also important that your child trusts you enough to talk, though sometimes insisting on absolute justice isn't the best move for the child—for instance, if they end up being harassed by a professional.
And since a desire for revenge isn't limited to forum members, pushing someone toward termination could backfire on your child, and you won't be able to prove it.

That's why it's vital to act calmly and tactically; sometimes the most valuable lesson is learning how to simply ignore a fool.
Aggression in defending your child can end up being counterproductive, whereas a little patience and diplomacy can yield much better results. Besides, if you're constantly barking, people stop listening; if you cooperate and then only bark when things get serious, people will actually take you seriously.

Look, how you carry yourself reflects directly on your kid at school—it’s an extension of your own behavior, so you really have to decide how you want to show up.

The phrase "I can see you're having a really hard time" is actually a brilliant way to de-escalate a situation—but honestly, it backfires completely if you don't actually mean it, or if there isn't any genuine empathy behind the words.

I really hope you’ll show this much empathy if your own kid ever finds themselves in a spot like this.

All I want to know is whether people would be this understanding if a teller at Chase walked up to you and said, "You're an idiot; you wrote the wrong address or account number on your deposit slip." Or better yet, imagine getting sick because you didn't dress warm enough, going to the doctor, and having them snap at you about how stupid you are for not wearing a coat.

Look, we all claim to be outraged by child abuse, yet here we are basically making excuses for this professor. If she can't exercise basic self-control, maybe teaching isn't the right career path for her—especially since she works with kids, and kids come in all shapes and sizes. 🤷 There are plenty of people sitting at the unemployment office who don't feel like working and actually know how to behave themselves around children.

I’m genuinely curious about what kind of educational opportunities are available for a marketing guy who actually has the audacity to ask a client if they’re being thick or just hard of hearing—all while the firm continues to bank massive profits off them. 🥳

amberskipper3 said:You don't just kick people out of their jobs like that—it's not like they hand out yellow cards and warnings like it's some soccer match.
If a teacher is struggling with communication, you deal with it by sitting down with a counselor, a psychologist, or the principal. You track their progress and work, and things usually get better if everyone actually gives a damn.
But honestly, all too often, especially in smaller towns, principals lack any real pedagogical training, making it incredibly hard to even flag these issues in the first place.
Plus, if a kid grew up in a supportive home where their self-esteem was actually nurtured, these kinds of outbursts won't do much damage. But a child who's already struggling? They absolutely need to be shielded from these verbal attacks.

I agree with all of that, but I find it absolutely mind-blowing and unacceptable for an adult, especially someone in the teaching profession, to tell a child they are "stupid."
I mean, what kind of person says that to a student they’ve barely even met? It's not like they've been dealing with this kid's antics for three years straight and finally snapped during eighth grade after a hundred little incidents...
This woman is just starting to build a rapport with this student and the rest of the class. Her relationship with them dictates how effectively she can teach and what the classroom atmosphere will feel like.
She is supposed to be the role model for behavior in that classroom.
If she gives herself permission to call someone stupid, how can she expect the kids not to say it to each other, or to her, or to any other adult?
And honestly, who would even want to learn from someone like that?

It seems obvious this child comes from a healthy environment and has support. They could have easily talked about what happened and asked for help, which benefits not just them, but the whole class, since everyone gets clarity on what is and isn't okay.
And if she had been honest and authentic, the kids might have actually learned something from her mistake—though I highly doubt her story was sincere. If she were truly being heartfelt, she would have spoken up immediately after saying it, rather than waiting until the kid's mom showed up at the school.

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I'm honestly curious how many learning opportunities there are for some guy in marketing who actually asks a client if they're stupid or deaf, only to have the firm hand them a massive paycheck anyway. 🥳

Got a chance to write a new resume.😳

The last time that teacher lost her cool in class—and it happened more than once—she finally got what was coming to her after the first semester. She deserved it. You just can't talk to kids like that.

That's just not how things work here in America, so there's really no point in even comparing them. It's honestly unthinkable for adults to act that way toward kids while simultaneously demanding obedience, respect, attention, and understanding in return.

She handled things exactly the right way. Best possible outcome.

I’ve heard it said that actual geniuses are rare in academia—that most professors are basically just people who barely scraped by in school and ended up teaching because the entrance requirements were a joke or there just wasn't much competition that year.
Honestly, I had some kids in my high school class who are teachers now, and if I’m being real, it was a total joke to me when I found out. I won't get into all the messy details, but man, I used to write these killer English essays for them, and while I wouldn't say I was some straight-A scholar, I could definitely hold my own... meanwhile, some of these guys today couldn't even string a coherent sentence together. Sure, maybe they figured things out once they got to college and finally settled into their office chairs, but what happened to actually knowing your stuff before you started lecturing?