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Paul Carter40 Paul Carter40 Member
32 messages
joined Nov 2015
#1781 ·
Samuel Sanders8 said:Hi everyone, I was wondering if anyone here might be able to lend me a hand...

The thing is, whenever I try to digitally sign my retirement application, I keep getting hit with this error message:

An error occurred while retrieving information about cryptographic devices

Basically, the system can't find the device at all (I'm using a Thales USB token provided by the IRS)

It’s strange because when I filed my last application about a month ago, everything worked perfectly and the signing process went through without a hitch. I haven't changed anything on my computer since then, other than updating Java, so I'm really stumped as to what could be causing this... thanks in advance if anyone has run into a similar issue.

Have you tried using Chrome?
It’s always worked great for me!
It usually just "grabs" everything from the stick without all those annoying Java headaches.
wiredmarlin41 wiredmarlin41 Member
30 messages
joined Feb 2013
#1782 ·
Paul Carter40 said:Have you tried using Chrome?
It’s always worked great for me!
It usually just "grabs" everything from the stick without all those annoying Java headaches.

I hope you find luck with that, though I suspect you’re already aware.😁

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mistynomad3 mistynomad3 Member
12 messages
joined Feb 2013
#1783 ·
I’m trying to file my DOH form through the IRS website, but I’m hitting a wall. I can't find where the KD form is buried, and I have no clue how to upload my kids' birth certificates digitally. It’s a total maze. Any advice? Thanks.
Paul Carter40 Paul Carter40 Member
32 messages
joined Nov 2015
#1784 ·
mistynomad3 said:I’m trying to file my DOH form through the IRS website, but I’m hitting a wall. I can't find where the KD form is buried, and I have no clue how to upload my kids' birth certificates digitally. It’s a total maze. Any advice? Thanks.

Just head over to the submitted forms section—you should see a little blue icon to attach files. Hope that helps.
Samuel Morgan7 Samuel Morgan7 Newcomer
6 messages
joined Feb 2018
#1785 ·
Hey,
I need someone to clear some things up for me.

So, I haven't worked for this company in three years. But during that entire stretch, there was a digital signature/certificate issued in my name... I never even used it (the company accountant was using it instead,
which is sketchy since they don't have power of attorney, so on paper, it looks like I'm the one using it). I didn't even bother renewing it, and I just found out the person actually using it can just renew it online without my signature or even knowing about it.

Now I'm wondering: since I'm just a private citizen who isn't employed there and doesn't use this certificate—which is clearly their main tool for handling taxes, payroll, and transfers—do I carry any legal liability?
As a "third party" who has zero connection to the firm anymore, am I on the hook? I have no clue if the person handling it is actually doing things by the book.
Also, how is it even possible that nobody canceled that certificate the moment I was offboarded from the company?
Arthur Lopez3 Arthur Lopez3 Member
29 messages
joined Jan 2016
#1786 ·
Why don't you just head back to whoever issued the certificate—your bank or maybe a place like Chase—and tell them to cancel it? Let the company handle requesting a new one themselves.
A certificate is essentially your ID or a debit card. You shouldn't be handing those out to anyone else.
Samuel Morgan7 Samuel Morgan7 Newcomer
6 messages
joined Feb 2018
#1787 ·
Arthur Lopez3 said:Why don't you just head back to whoever issued the certificate—your bank or maybe a place like Chase—and tell them to cancel it? Let the company handle requesting a new one themselves.
A certificate is essentially your ID or a debit card. You shouldn't be handing those out to anyone else.

I can't cancel it myself. Only the CEO of the company can do that... hopefully my constant badgering will get it sorted this week.

My main concern is that this certificate has been used under my name for three years now. Am I liable for anything? I have no idea how it was used or if everything was done by the book.

I set up the certificate and immediately passed it off to the firm's accountant so they could start doing business... I had no clue it was tied directly to my identity. If I knew it was like handing over a driver's license or a debit card, I never would have done it—I would've insisted on a power of attorney instead.
The company kept using and renewing a certificate registered in my name... How is it even possible that a major bank or the IRS allowed this? And is a private individual who isn't even an owner or employee really held responsible for a corporate certificate?😵
ruggedmaker2 ruggedmaker2 Regular
469 messages
joined Mar 2018
#1788 ·
Look, what you’re asking isn't really an accounting question—it's a legal one.
Nobody can tell you what kind of fallout we're talking about if we don't know the actual stakes. Are we talking about messed up financial statements, some shady business dealings... what? What exactly happened that makes you think you might be on the hook?

Seriously though, when you were walking out the door at your old job, why didn't you make sure this whole certification mess was sorted then?
We're looking at a three-year gap here.
Did you guys just fail to reach an agreement? Did you not care at the time? Or did it just slip your mind?
And another thing—why is the certificate sitting in your name instead of the CEO's or some other executive who actually holds the responsibility?

But hey, look, I get it. There are probably details you don't want to spill on a public forum because they're weighing on you. My best advice? Go find a lawyer and lay out all the facts. Trying to guess your way through this online is just a shot in the dark; nobody's going to give you a straight answer without the full story.
Samuel Morgan7 Samuel Morgan7 Newcomer
6 messages
joined Feb 2018
#1789 ·
ruggedmaker2 said:Look, what you’re asking isn't really an accounting question—it's a legal one.
Nobody can tell you what kind of fallout we're talking about if we don't know the actual stakes. Are we talking about messed up financial statements, some shady business dealings... what? What exactly happened that makes you think you might be on the hook?

Seriously though, when you were walking out the door at your old job, why didn't you make sure this whole certification mess was sorted then?
We're looking at a three-year gap here.
Did you guys just fail to reach an agreement? Did you not care at the time? Or did it just slip your mind?
And another thing—why is the certificate sitting in your name instead of the CEO's or some other executive who actually holds the responsibility?

But hey, look, I get it. There are probably details you don't want to spill on a public forum because they're weighing on you. My best advice? Go find a lawyer and lay out all the facts. Trying to guess your way through this online is just a shot in the dark; nobody's going to give you a straight answer without the full story.


Any of that... I'm hoping everything was handled properly, but I honestly don't know if things were done by the book (I just know a ton of stuff went through that certification), and I want peace of mind (why should I face any repercussions).
That's my whole point: is the director responsible for the certificate, or is it the person whose name is on it when it shouldn't be?

I have no idea why it's in my name; I assumed it was under the company.
Just like I thought the certificate had expired ages ago... I had other things going on and wasn't thinking about it.
I only recently realized it was still active and that I'm the signatory, which caught me totally off guard.
Dennis Cooper3 Dennis Cooper3 Member
40 messages
joined Feb 2016
#1790 ·
Samuel Morgan7 said:Any of that... I'm hoping everything was handled properly, but I honestly don't know if things were done by the book (I just know a ton of stuff went through that certification), and I want peace of mind (why should I face any repercussions).
That's my whole point: is the director responsible for the certificate, or is it the person whose name is on it when it shouldn't be?

I have no idea why it's in my name; I assumed it was under the company.
Just like I thought the certificate had expired ages ago... I had other things going on and wasn't thinking about it.
I only recently realized it was still active and that I'm the signatory, which caught me totally off guard.

Your best bet would be to give the IRS or perhaps your local bank a call to see how you can get your name removed from that specific certificate. They don't have any way of knowing whether you're still employed there or not.

When these digital credentials are issued, they aren't just tied to the corporation, but also to the specific individual who will be using them. This means that when the paperwork is filed, the company name must be listed alongside their official seal, and the authorized user must also provide their own signature.
A real headache can arise if you ever shared your password with anyone else for the sake of convenience, because someone with those credentials could theoretically go online and renew or extend the certificate without you even knowing.
Samuel Morgan7 Samuel Morgan7 Newcomer
6 messages
joined Feb 2018
#1791 ·
Dennis Cooper3 said:Your best bet would be to give the IRS or perhaps your local bank a call to see how you can get your name removed from that specific certificate. They don't have any way of knowing whether you're still employed there or not.

When these digital credentials are issued, they aren't just tied to the corporation, but also to the specific individual who will be using them. This means that when the paperwork is filed, the company name must be listed alongside their official seal, and the authorized user must also provide their own signature.
A real headache can arise if you ever shared your password with anyone else for the sake of convenience, because someone with those credentials could theoretically go online and renew or extend the certificate without you even knowing.

That’s exactly what happened. I gave my accountant the USB and the password, and they just kept renewing the certificate behind my back since they didn't need my permission.

The fact that FIFA can't see this is total nonsense...
Does it even make sense to notify FIFA and the IRS that I haven't used it in three years? (Even though it's ridiculous, since I'm basically committing an offense just because I didn't know better).
Samuel Morgan7 Samuel Morgan7 Newcomer
6 messages
joined Feb 2018
#1792 ·
Even though they totally burned me,
I wouldn't want to cause any trouble for my company or my accountant either (since they're clearly caught up in some kind of violation too).

So I'm not sure if taking this straight to FIFA and the IRS is the right move.
Dennis Cooper3 Dennis Cooper3 Member
40 messages
joined Feb 2016
#1793 ·
I was just browsing through the IRS website, and it turns out you can actually revoke a digital certificate if someone is no longer affiliated with a business entity.
That being said, you should definitely give them a call. It might even be worth having a quick chat with your former employer. They could potentially be facing some legal liabilities themselves, and honestly, the easiest fix would be for them to simply de-register you from that certificate, transfer the access to someone else, or just issue a brand new one.

At the end of the day, there is no reason to expect the IRS to monitor everyone's employment status. It really falls on us to stay vigilant about what we sign and exactly who we are granting our authorization to.😬
Samuel Morgan7 Samuel Morgan7 Newcomer
6 messages
joined Feb 2018
#1794 ·
Dennis Cooper3 said:I was just browsing through the IRS website, and it turns out you can actually revoke a digital certificate if someone is no longer affiliated with a business entity.
That being said, you should definitely give them a call. It might even be worth having a quick chat with your former employer. They could potentially be facing some legal liabilities themselves, and honestly, the easiest fix would be for them to simply de-register you from that certificate, transfer the access to someone else, or just issue a brand new one.

At the end of the day, there is no reason to expect the IRS to monitor everyone's employment status. It really falls on us to stay vigilant about what we sign and exactly who we are granting our authorization to.😬

Obviously, I'm working on getting it revoked. You really have to read everything you sign—I learned that the hard way.

I'm just not sure if the issue is that it’s been under my name for the last three years. I need to figure out how to tell the government it wasn't actually in my possession (even though I am the owner). There has to be a way to report it as stolen or something.

Anyway, thanks to you and everyone else for the help. 👍
If anyone has more useful info, let me know...
Samuel Sanders8 Samuel Sanders8 Member
14 messages
joined Nov 2014
#1795 ·
Hi everyone, I was wondering if someone might be able to lend me a hand... My computer recently ran an update (I'm on Windows 10), and now I can't seem to log in to the IRS website using my Gemalto USB—it won't work through Google Chrome or even Internet Explorer.

Whenever I try to select my certificate, this error pops up:

Windows Security
Smart Card

Gemalto USB Key Smart Card Reader 0

The smart card cannot perform the required operation or the operation requires a different smart card.

Could anyone please help me figure out what's going on? I honestly have no clue why this is happening; my Activision Identity USB works perfectly fine, but these Gemalto ones just won't cooperate anywhere. This is pretty urgent because I need to file my joppd and get payroll processed!

Thanks in advance!
ruggedmaker2 ruggedmaker2 Regular
469 messages
joined Mar 2018
#1796 ·
I honestly think you should take a look at your Active client.
Just give the help desk a ring at 1-800-555-0199 and let them walk you through it.
Samuel Sanders8 Samuel Sanders8 Member
14 messages
joined Nov 2014
#1797 ·
ruggedmaker2 said:I honestly think you should take a look at your Active client.
Just give the help desk a ring at 1-800-555-0199 and let them walk you through it.

I think I'll try poking around a bit tomorrow morning to see if I can figure it out myself, but if I hit a wall, I'll just reach out to tech support. Thanks so much for the advice, though! 😉
Samuel Sanders8 Samuel Sanders8 Member
14 messages
joined Nov 2014
#1798 ·
I ended up calling my bank, and they suggested I reinstall the Gemalto software support. So, I went ahead and did exactly that—reinstalled everything from scratch—but unfortunately, it’s still not working...

It seems like something shifted deep in the system when Windows 10 ran its latest update. Even though the certificates show up fine, the moment I try to select one, instead of prompting me for my PIN, I just get that error message I mentioned earlier regarding the Windows Security smart card reader. It acts like the device isn't even plugged in. It won't work through Chrome or IE, which means I'm completely locked out of the IRS website, Social Security, and pretty much everything else I need to access 😠

Has anyone else running win10 with a Gemalto USB stick run into a similar headache? Is there anything else I should be checking or trying at this point?
vividscout18 vividscout18 Newcomer
9 messages
joined Mar 2017
#1799 ·
Hey everyone,

I was wondering if anyone here knows when the fiscalization certificate actually expires,
and how the renewal process works. Specifically, once you get the new certificate number, does that need to be manually entered somewhere within the
IRS system? Like, under the business premises data section or something?

Best,
Jack Young Jack Young Active Member
111 messages
joined Mar 2015
#1800 ·
vividscout18 said:Hey everyone,

I was wondering if anyone here knows when the fiscalization certificate actually expires,
and how the renewal process works. Specifically, once you get the new certificate number, does that need to be manually entered somewhere within the
IRS system? Like, under the business premises data section or something?

Best,

Once those five years are up, you just pay the fee to renew the certificate and then save it directly onto the computer you use to process all your sales receipts.

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