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Paul Davis2 Paul Davis2 Active Member
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joined Mar 2023
#221 ·
Scott Booth said:But what about the gifted kids?
Specifically those with a knack for STEM subjects where we just don't have the teachers to support them?

I’ve started feeling like the only real solution at the end of this tunnel is a solid private school. So, if anyone can swing it...

Well, that A2 designation is specifically for the gifted students. And let's be honest—talented STEM professionals aren't going to jump into teaching unless the pay is actually decent, and this move gives them a much-needed bump in salary.
William Cooper11 William Cooper11 Active Member
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#222 ·
How is this all-day school schedule project going to pan out?
Just like that Republican plan to buy back ExxonMobil from Chevron. 😉
Scott Booth Scott Booth Member
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joined Mar 2022
#223 ·
Paul Davis2 said:Well, that A2 designation is specifically for the gifted students. And let's be honest—talented STEM professionals aren't going to jump into teaching unless the pay is actually decent, and this move gives them a much-needed bump in salary.

The reality here in the States is that we just don't have enough teachers. We have even fewer truly great ones, which makes it nearly impossible to find anyone worth giving a significant raise to.
mellowskipper mellowskipper Regular
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joined Jan 2023
#224 ·
Maybe then we just go with the RN option—you know, the one with the extra gear sets included. For an elementary school, I guess that would be perfectly fine enough.
Scott Booth Scott Booth Member
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joined Mar 2022
#225 ·
mellowskipper said:Maybe then we just go with the RN option—you know, the one with the extra gear sets included. For an elementary school, I guess that would be perfectly fine enough.

I suspect that particular study program was phased out a long time ago.
Nowadays, students enter the RN track even if they only have about 25% mastery of B-level math. Does that really mean they're equipped to work with gifted students? You should take a look at some of the problems from the regional and national competitions.
hiddenseal14 hiddenseal14 Member
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joined Mar 2023
#226 ·
My school is going to sign up for this. We are all in complete agreement on the move. Sure, a few teachers were grumbling because they won't be wrapping things up by 10:30 anymore, and the specialists are worried about the increased workload within the A2 and B1 curricula. There’s a bit of a shift happening in how subjects are taught—we’ve always operated on a single-shift schedule—and the students will have to adjust since their electives used to be baked right into the regular timetable. The silver lining? They’ll actually get longer breaks and a decent lunch period.

Anyway, don't go judging the situation based on fifty loud voices shouting in Facebook groups. Plenty of smaller schools that currently run on a single shift are going to step up and join in too.

I am not claiming that everything is perfectly designed; there will undoubtedly be growing pains. But that is exactly why we have an experimental phase—to identify what isn't working and fix it.

As for STEM, specifically math, biology, and chemistry, we've never really seen a shortage of talent in the Greater Los Angeles area. The only real gap has been in physics.
jadetinker85 jadetinker85 Regular
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#227 ·
hiddenseal14 said:My school is going to sign up for this. We are all in complete agreement on the move. Sure, a few teachers were grumbling because they won't be wrapping things up by 10:30 anymore, and the specialists are worried about the increased workload within the A2 and B1 curricula. There’s a bit of a shift happening in how subjects are taught—we’ve always operated on a single-shift schedule—and the students will have to adjust since their electives used to be baked right into the regular timetable. The silver lining? They’ll actually get longer breaks and a decent lunch period.

Anyway, don't go judging the situation based on fifty loud voices shouting in Facebook groups. Plenty of smaller schools that currently run on a single shift are going to step up and join in too.

I am not claiming that everything is perfectly designed; there will undoubtedly be growing pains. But that is exactly why we have an experimental phase—to identify what isn't working and fix it.

As for STEM, specifically math, biology, and chemistry, we've never really seen a shortage of talent in the Greater Los Angeles area. The only real gap has been in physics.

So, you figured things were changing for both you and the students, and decided to sign up. 😁>
shadowtiger0 shadowtiger0 Active Member
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#228 ·
I suppose I should probably mention that I finally made it to see the symphony performance last night—and honestly, after all the buildup, I wasn't entirely sure if I was in for a masterpiece or just a very expensive nap. It was one of those high-brow evenings where you feel slightly underdressed just by breathing the air in the concert hall. But, despite my usual skepticism about these things, the orchestra actually delivered. There’s something about the way a full ensemble hits those swelling crescendos that makes you forget, just for a second, how much you paid for the ticket. It was grand, it was loud, and it was—dare I say—actually quite moving. Not that I'd admit that to anyone who prefers blasting pop music in their car, but there was definitely a moment where the room went completely silent, and even my cynical brain couldn't find anything to complain about. kaže:
Look, it’s been happening in the United Kingdom for a few years now—this massive exodus of teachers because of those "wonderful" working conditions. People are literally packing up and moving to Thailand to teach English, just so they can actually afford to live. It turns out you can have a decent life with a much lower cost of living over there than what you're dealing with back home in the UK.

I’m a tenured professor—currently working in an elementary school—and honestly, I feel like I’ve been blindsided by a constant stream of absolute nonsense ever since I entered the education field. It is genuinely depressing to watch how idiotic policies can just completely strip away the motivation and passion of people who actually chose this profession because they cared. If you teach one of the core subjects—one of the big three—you are absolutely buried in work. And that’s not even counting the physical presence required on campus. Take a foreign language teacher, for example; their required hours alone can hit 23 per week, which is one of the highest loads out there. Then, you go home and drag yourself through a mountain of 130 exams, the same amount of essays, and an endless pile of other written assessments... not to mention all the extra grading. All of this is done on top of the actual classroom time, usually while trying to find a single quiet corner at the school to get anything done—which, let's be real, doesn't exist. And don't even get me started on the nightmare of being a homeroom teacher. The sheer amount of extra labor expected from people for what amounts to a measly two hours of official credit is a special kind of madness that I’d rather not even dive into.

Edit: Honestly, if you’re actually feeling overwhelmed by your workload—I mean, really, truly burnt out—I honestly wouldn't even know how to respond to that. It's pretty obvious you aren't exactly breaking a sweat over there.

Look, you’re clearly a fellow linguistics nerd—and honestly, my heart goes out to you. It’s tough out here. You put in all this grueling work, pouring your soul into the nuances of language, only for it to go completely unnoticed. Most people don't give a damn about the mechanics behind how we communicate; they’d much rather spend their energy obsessing over the scenery or some random sunset than the actual structure of a sentence. It’s a thankless grind, really.

Look, I mentioned the United Kingdom because I actually know how things work over there—and trust me, burnout isn't just a possibility for my colleagues in the UK, it’s practically a standard job requirement at this point. My whole point was that most of them would probably swallow a hell of a lot more misery if they could just land an above-average salary. And honestly? We actually have that here—I mean, I personally have coworkers pulling in much more than that... $333 I get a little extra bump in my paycheck from the principal because of things like mentoring and years of seniority—it all adds up eventually, you know how it goes. 😉 ).

You claim I don't work hard enough—and honestly, you're not wrong. But look, I absolutely adore working with kids, and I’m constantly coming up with new ways to weave kinesiology and movement patterns into games; from what I can see, they’re having a blast. My days are split between working at both an elementary school and a high school. You also seem to be forgetting that I'm a man—and let's be real, most "normal" guys (and I am definitely not talking about those metrosexual types) would probably feel the same way. 😁 The kind of guys who can't just grab an axe and split a cord of firewood for the winter... honestly, the physical part of the job is easy. It’s all about testosterone, I guess.
Look, I’m not even joking around here—it’s just something I’ve started noticing by watching my wife. It becomes incredibly obvious that we men have it way easier when it comes to tackling certain things, simply because we don't deal with those massive, sweeping fluctuations in anabolic hormones—you know, the stuff that actually drives your strength and your sheer willpower. I realized this mostly because my own system got absolutely wrecked by post-COVID fatigue; back when I was going through it, I remember thinking, "Man, this is rough," but now that I've had some distance, I look at what women go through and realize I finally get it.

Secondly, when I see some people around here boasting over 10,000 posts, I can't help but wonder—what kind of grueling, high-stakes career must they have to find the time to rack up that many comments on a forum like this? It’s almost impressive, in a tragic sort of way. Clearly, they have an abundance of free time to dedicate to... well, let's call it "intellectual stimulation"—though we all know this place is mostly just a digital playground for nonsense. Seriously though, what kind of "hard work" are we actually talking about here? What are we even doing? 👎

Either you’re not hanging out with much educated company, or you’re just choosing to look the other way—but the reality is that most people with a four-year degree are grinding away for peanuts all day, dragging themselves home around 5:00 PM only to finish their actual work at the kitchen table. It’s a harsh truth. I’ve got an engineering degree myself, so I’ve been in those trenches—believe me, I know what it’s like pulling 10 or 12-hour shifts for basically the same pay you'd get with just a high school diploma. And unlike some sectors, there aren't any unions looking out for you. But, honestly, that’s not really the point here, so I won't go down that rabbit hole—I already know from experience that teachers don't really view things through that same lens.

Look, let’s be real here—for those of you in the room who are actually teachers or hold degrees in something like sociology: please, spare us the "I'll just quit and find a career in the private sector" act. Don't pull that nonsense. We all know the truth—both you and I—is that we aren't exactly in high demand out there in the corporate world. I could probably land a job at a Kroger or a Walmart tomorrow, and that's about it. If you're really feeling too dignified for the grind, then honestly, just step aside. Hand your desks over to the younger teachers or the fresh sociology grads—there are plenty of them sitting around waiting for a break through the unemployment office.
It’s a different ballgame compared to being a special ed specialist or a math teacher.

Those of us who studied subjects with actual utility in the workforce—you know, the scientists, the linguists, the social scientists—we actually put those skills to use out in the real world.

Unfortunately, there is money available for this project—I know this from firsthand experience—both for salaries and general overhead. Why am I saying "unfortunately"? Because I’m a parent, and I love my kids. By nature, I’m an active, high-energy person; I want to be outside playing with my children, riding bikes, hitting the weights, or just hanging at the park. If my kids are stuck in school until 5:00 PM, that becomes impossible. And frankly, I hate it.

It also feels pretty stupid to compare ourselves to Finland. We aren't nearly as developed as they are, nor do we share their mindset—we’re Southerners through and through, and we are fundamentally different from them.

Again, the current work system is just broken. What is one teacher supposed to accomplish in a classroom of twenty kids when three are on individualized programs, two are gifted, and you’ve got a few ADHD students thrown in there? Nothing. It’s impossible. These are the systemic issues that need fixing. Right now, the situation is failing both the gifted kids and the ones who are struggling. Realistically, it's unsustainable.

That’s why I admitted earlier that I’m no genius and that some kind of change is definitely overdue. Whether *this* is the right change? I have no clue.

P.S.

I received a couple of messages last night from a male colleague (probably, I can't be quite sure 😁) so I’ll just say it here publicly: stop running your mouth on the forums. And he should remember that social science majors are the tough, resilient ones that nobody messes with in school. 😒
rowdypanther12 rowdypanther12 Regular
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#229 ·
Instead of shortening summer breaks or reducing daily school hours for kids, they’re pushing this nonsense.

It sounds great on paper to have space at school for homework after classes, guaranteed tutoring, or room for recreation... those are all really solid ideas.
But having kids stuck at school until 4 PM just isn't right.
I'm honestly relieved my kids won't be part of this; I can't even imagine a schedule like that. When would they hang out unsupervised, hit up McDonald's or a local park, focus on studying, go to sports practice, or just spend time with family?

It feels like we're just institutionalizing our children.
The rest of the world seems to be moving toward shorter workdays and more freedom, yet here we are, trying to lock kids up in schools.
shadowtiger0 shadowtiger0 Active Member
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joined Mar 2023
#230 ·
hiddenseal14 said:My school is going to sign up for this. We are all in complete agreement on the move. Sure, a few teachers were grumbling because they won't be wrapping things up by 10:30 anymore, and the specialists are worried about the increased workload within the A2 and B1 curricula. There’s a bit of a shift happening in how subjects are taught—we’ve always operated on a single-shift schedule—and the students will have to adjust since their electives used to be baked right into the regular timetable. The silver lining? They’ll actually get longer breaks and a decent lunch period.

Anyway, don't go judging the situation based on fifty loud voices shouting in Facebook groups. Plenty of smaller schools that currently run on a single shift are going to step up and join in too.

I am not claiming that everything is perfectly designed; there will undoubtedly be growing pains. But that is exactly why we have an experimental phase—to identify what isn't working and fix it.

As for STEM, specifically math, biology, and chemistry, we've never really seen a shortage of talent in the Greater Los Angeles area. The only real gap has been in physics.

Fair point, colleague, but that's only because we have the College of Humanities right here in California. 😉
Jose Wells3 Jose Wells3 Active Member
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joined Mar 2023
#231 ·
Arwen, could you send me the link for the teacher schedules? I’m clearly looking at the wrong ones.
wanderingbadger77 wanderingbadger77 Active Member
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#232 ·
Great. So who's actually on the hook for a kid's grades here?
Is it the teacher running the after-school tutoring sessions?
This is going to be a total mess. They’ll probably end up having to take those massive state exams, and honestly, they're probably screwed because the teachers are absolute garbage.
Luckily, my kid isn't affected by this whole shake-up.
Insane.
Larry Walker24 Larry Walker24 Veteran
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#233 ·
rowdypanther12 said:Instead of shortening summer breaks or reducing daily school hours for kids, they’re pushing this nonsense.

It sounds great on paper to have space at school for homework after classes, guaranteed tutoring, or room for recreation... those are all really solid ideas.
But having kids stuck at school until 4 PM just isn't right.
I'm honestly relieved my kids won't be part of this; I can't even imagine a schedule like that. When would they hang out unsupervised, hit up McDonald's or a local park, focus on studying, go to sports practice, or just spend time with family?

It feels like we're just institutionalizing our children.
The rest of the world seems to be moving toward shorter workdays and more freedom, yet here we are, trying to lock kids up in schools.

Yeah, because nothing beats heading into a classroom that hits 95 degrees when there isn't even any AC. Totally brilliant idea, let's just shorten summer break 👋 👋 👋

obviously being sarcastic here
Larry Walker24 Larry Walker24 Veteran
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#234 ·
wanderingbadger77 said:Great. So who's actually on the hook for a kid's grades here?
Is it the teacher running the after-school tutoring sessions?
This is going to be a total mess. They’ll probably end up having to take those massive state exams, and honestly, they're probably screwed because the teachers are absolute garbage.
Luckily, my kid isn't affected by this whole shake-up.
Insane.

Before they even roll out full-day schooling, I doubt they'll even start grading things properly.

If you ask me, this year's 5th graders are definitely going to get hit with some kind of exit exam.
rowdypanther12 rowdypanther12 Regular
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#235 ·
Larry Walker24 said:Yeah, because nothing beats heading into a classroom that hits 95 degrees when there isn't even any AC. Totally brilliant idea, let's just shorten summer break 👋 👋 👋

obviously being sarcastic here

I suppose once they actually finish building those 1,000 schools needed for the reform, maybe they'll finally get around to installing air conditioning.☕
jadetinker85 jadetinker85 Regular
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joined Jan 2024
#236 ·
Either you aren't hanging out with educated professionals, or you're just choosing to ignore the reality. Most people with a Bachelor’s or Master’s degree are grinding away for $50k a year all day, getting home around 5 PM, and then bringing work right back to the dinner table. That's just the cold truth. I have an engineering degree myself, so I've been there—pulling 10 or 12-hour shifts for the exact same pay you'd get with just a high school diploma. And unlike some sectors, there are zero unions looking out for you. But hey, that’s not really the point here, and I won't digress; I know from experience that teachers don't really look at things through that lens.

So you're actually on board with that? We should be fighting against people being exploited, not cheering it on.
shadowtiger0 shadowtiger0 Active Member
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joined Mar 2023
#237 ·
jadetinker85 said:
Either you aren't hanging out with educated professionals, or you're just choosing to ignore the reality. Most people with a Bachelor’s or Master’s degree are grinding away for $50k a year all day, getting home around 5 PM, and then bringing work right back to the dinner table. That's just the cold truth. I have an engineering degree myself, so I've been there—pulling 10 or 12-hour shifts for the exact same pay you'd get with just a high school diploma. And unlike some sectors, there are zero unions looking out for you. But hey, that’s not really the point here, and I won't digress; I know from experience that teachers don't really look at things through that lens.

So you're actually on board with that? We should be fighting against people being exploited, not cheering it on.

Actually, quite the opposite.

The thing is, people in our field tend to complain way too much—and let's be real, we do get that legendary summer break and those holidays when the weather is actually decent. A lot of engineers, doctors, and other professionals with advanced degrees just don't get that luxury.

But the fact that so many other things are fundamentally broken here is a whole different conversation...
Where on earth did you get the idea of comparing us to the Netherlands? They’re one of the most developed nations on the planet...

We should be comparing ourselves to other Southern European countries, and unfortunately, the situation there is pretty much the same...
Michelle Nelson4 Michelle Nelson4 Regular
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joined Jan 2024
#238 ·
Locking them in 😂
Last year, my kid had a schedule where on one specific day, they were literally in class from
12:20 PM to 1:55 PM.
That’s just an hour and thirty-five minutes of school time. And they were only ten years old at the time.

On top of that, there are about three and a half months throughout the year where there’s absolutely no instruction—that’s 30% of the entire academic year right there.

And then people wonder why we’re falling behind the rest of the world. Whether we like it or not, that lack of engagement compared to other countries has to have consequences. I get it—plenty of people love this setup, and honestly, it suits me sometimes too, but that doesn't mean the end result isn't affected by it all. It’s always the same drama from teachers and parents; you try to suggest a change and you're immediately met with resistance and that whole "don't rock the boat" or "leave our perks alone" mindset. Every single suggestion for improvement feels like an attack to them.
☕ I don't think the current system is well-designed, but comments like "I don't want to work school hours because I want to be home with my kid" or "this is basically locking kids in school" (as if mandatory schooling isn't already a thing) aren't actually valid arguments against the core issue.
hiddendriver34 hiddendriver34 Regular
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joined Jan 2023
#239 ·
Instead of chasing after all these half-baked, "revolutionary" schemes, someone really should have focused on reforming how we integrate climate science into the curriculum across every single school in the country. That’s the kind of move that actually moves the needle on quality and student outcomes without all the unnecessary drama or sarcasm. Honestly, while they were at it, they could have looked into restructuring our federal holiday schedule too.
Susan James Susan James Veteran
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#240 ·
hiddendriver34 said:Instead of chasing after all these half-baked, "revolutionary" schemes, someone really should have focused on reforming how we integrate climate science into the curriculum across every single school in the country. That’s the kind of move that actually moves the needle on quality and student outcomes without all the unnecessary drama or sarcasm. Honestly, while they were at it, they could have looked into restructuring our federal holiday schedule too.

Do you think they'll just end up wasting that money on supposed salary hikes for those experimental pilot programs in certain school districts?
I'm right there with you!

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