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Susan James Susan James Veteran
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#1041 ·
Sarah Hall53 said:The other side is being phased in little by little—and honestly, that’s the only thing they're actually doing gradually.

Okay, so does that mean kids who didn't pick it back in 4th grade—but then move into 5th, 6th, 7th, or 8th grade the following year—will just have an empty period right in the middle of their school day? Or will the second foreign language option only kick in after they hit the A2 level?
(If it's the latter, then maybe his reduced hours actually make sense... for about two days 😬)
rustyowl7 rustyowl7 Active Member
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#1042 ·
jadetinker85 said:Great. And I suppose the growing number of people working afternoon shifts in retail, service, or hospitality should just plan on seeing their kids on the weekends?

I recall during a discussion regarding this very issue, a supporter of CNBC argued that quality matters far more than quantity.
But let's look at the reality: if the kids are in school until 3:00 PM, and I am working an alternating shift from 2:00 PM to 10:00 PM, I wouldn't see them at all. I simply refuse to accept that trade-off. With the current schedule, we actually share the same block of time...
Susan James Susan James Veteran
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#1043 ·
rustyowl7 said:I recall during a discussion regarding this very issue, a supporter of CNBC argued that quality matters far more than quantity.
But let's look at the reality: if the kids are in school until 3:00 PM, and I am working an alternating shift from 2:00 PM to 10:00 PM, I wouldn't see them at all. I simply refuse to accept that trade-off. With the current schedule, we actually share the same block of time...

Someone once told me that full-day programs are really designed for kids whose parents work late shifts. Without those programs, they'd just be waiting around for their parents to get home around 9 or 10 PM, and at least with school care, they're supervised during the day rather than being left alone.🤦

Honestly, I don't quite get why everyone assumes a parent needs to be right there helping with schoolwork. If people want that level of support, they can pay for the full-day option. There are plenty of kids in first grade who are already pretty independent, and by fifth grade, that independence is basically expected!
rustyowl7 rustyowl7 Active Member
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#1044 ·
Well, my oldest is in eighth grade, so I honestly don't have much insight into her school life or what she’s actually up to, unless she happens to ask me for something specific.
My younger one is currently in fourth grade; she stays on top of her homework and studies hard, and while I’ll step in if she asks for help, I make sure not to sit there and do the work for her. I just want to be present for my children...
I also know quite a few parents with kids in first grade and beyond who end up having to spend all evening doing homework with them even after after-school programs, simply because those kids couldn't quite grasp everything or finish their assignments during the school day...
Susan James Susan James Veteran
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#1045 ·
rustyowl7 said:Well, my oldest is in eighth grade, so I honestly don't have much insight into her school life or what she’s actually up to, unless she happens to ask me for something specific.
My younger one is currently in fourth grade; she stays on top of her homework and studies hard, and while I’ll step in if she asks for help, I make sure not to sit there and do the work for her. I just want to be present for my children...
I also know quite a few parents with kids in first grade and beyond who end up having to spend all evening doing homework with them even after after-school programs, simply because those kids couldn't quite grasp everything or finish their assignments during the school day...

If people want more control, they can just pay for private school and keep their kids there as long as they want.
At the end of the day, kids aren't going to get everything done during school hours anyway.
They won't finish all the curriculum, and they definitely won't get through all the extracurricular activities they actually enjoy.
rowdypanther12 rowdypanther12 Regular
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#1046 ·
I think I might have made a typo there. My apologies. rowdypanther12 says:
And I still have to cram lunch in there, too.

It’s not just about lunch; I mean having more frequent breaks and some extra downtime too. 🤣
I honestly don't get how someone who can't even grasp basic math is running the Department of Education. 🤷 Even the journalists aren't asking him anything. Why hasn't anyone pressed him for the exact numbers?
Mr. Secretary Fuchs, how exactly do you expect us to squeeze 33 hours of regular classes, lunch, and all that extra tutoring into an 8:00 AM to 2:00 PM schedule?
jadetinker85 jadetinker85 Regular
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#1047 ·
rustyowl7 said:I recall during a discussion regarding this very issue, a supporter of CNBC argued that quality matters far more than quantity.
But let's look at the reality: if the kids are in school until 3:00 PM, and I am working an alternating shift from 2:00 PM to 10:00 PM, I wouldn't see them at all. I simply refuse to accept that trade-off. With the current schedule, we actually share the same block of time...

My hairstylist made the same point. She doesn't get home until 9 PM, so weekends are basically all she has left for family.
jadetinker85 jadetinker85 Regular
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#1048 ·
rowdypanther12 said:
I think I might have made a typo there. My apologies. rowdypanther12 says:
And I still have to cram lunch in there, too.

It’s not just about lunch; I mean having more frequent breaks and some extra downtime too. 🤣
I honestly don't get how someone who can't even grasp basic math is running the Department of Education. 🤷 Even the journalists aren't asking him anything. Why hasn't anyone pressed him for the exact numbers?
Mr. Secretary Fuchs, how exactly do you expect us to squeeze 33 hours of regular classes, lunch, and all that extra tutoring into an 8:00 AM to 2:00 PM schedule?

Probably because Divjakica designed the curriculum, and since she's a mathematician, they assumed everyone could handle addition and subtraction up to 50. 🤷
jadetinker85 jadetinker85 Regular
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#1049 ·
Susan James said:Someone once told me that full-day programs are really designed for kids whose parents work late shifts. Without those programs, they'd just be waiting around for their parents to get home around 9 or 10 PM, and at least with school care, they're supervised during the day rather than being left alone.🤦

Honestly, I don't quite get why everyone assumes a parent needs to be right there helping with schoolwork. If people want that level of support, they can pay for the full-day option. There are plenty of kids in first grade who are already pretty independent, and by fifth grade, that independence is basically expected!

Besides, at least with split shifts, they're together in the mornings. And don't even get me started on music lessons or local sports leagues—they won't have enough room to take everyone if everything is pushed to the afternoon.
mistydrifter73 mistydrifter73 Member
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#1050 ·
Found this in a Facebook group. These were some choice words from Josip Burušić (the special advisor to the Secretary of Education regarding all-day schooling) at a meeting for CDŠ in San Francisco:

"...there’s been way too much laziness."
"If you enjoyed yourselves, then fine, you enjoyed yourselves..."
"Things have been easy for you long enough; it's about time you actually started doing something."
"I honestly don't know why you guys even get a paycheck. If it were up to me, I wouldn't give you a dime."
"Teachers have gotten used to coasting, and now that they actually need to work, suddenly it's an issue."
"The only people showing up to the public forums are the ones who aren't working. I personally checked their teaching hours to see for myself."

Nothing beats feeling like your hard work is actually recognized. 🎉 😍
Susan James Susan James Veteran
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#1051 ·
rowdypanther12 said:
I think I might have made a typo there. My apologies. rowdypanther12 says:
And I still have to cram lunch in there, too.

It’s not just about lunch; I mean having more frequent breaks and some extra downtime too. 🤣
I honestly don't get how someone who can't even grasp basic math is running the Department of Education. 🤷 Even the journalists aren't asking him anything. Why hasn't anyone pressed him for the exact numbers?
Mr. Secretary Fuchs, how exactly do you expect us to squeeze 33 hours of regular classes, lunch, and all that extra tutoring into an 8:00 AM to 2:00 PM schedule?

He’s just talking about elementary school teaching. That's all there is to it.
And math is also included in the curriculum for elementary school.
Journalists are asking exactly what they should be asking—it’s not like this is some topic where they can risk their necks. They aren't trying to put themselves on the spot with their editors, nor are they looking to get the whole newsroom in trouble with the party in power. It really makes you wonder how much homework they actually did before sitting down to ask these questions.
If I were a journalist, my very first question would be simple: exactly how many school districts have stepped up to offer completely free lunch for kids in grades 1 through 8? That’s really all I’d want to know.
That would honestly be more than enough.
It’s a shame to see how quickly the nutrition thread died out, and now there's hardly any discussion happening regarding CN either. It feels like everyone just moved on, which is such a pity because that stuff is incredibly important.

I have to admit, I was actually pretty surprised by mistydrifter73 on TV yesterday. They haven’t really weighed in on this topic before—which, honestly, I figured they didn't care much about—but their take caught me off guard. I’ve been hearing from several different sources that Washington, D.C., which is already struggling with its budget, is essentially telling schools that if they want more students to enroll, the federal government needs to step up and take over the costs for school lunches and other daily essentials. To me, that seems like the only logical way to handle it. In a massive hub like D.C., where the schools are absolutely packed and public school programs are actually decent and accessible enough for the little ones, the demand is just too high. On the flip side, cities like D.C. also happen to host the highest concentration of art academies, sports clubs, and language institutes. If we stick to the current funding model, those specialized programs are going to take a massive financial hit. If our goal is truly to ensure an equal and accessible education for everyone, it makes much more sense to implement full-day programming for all first graders across the entire country first. That way, we level the playing field from the very start.
Beyond just the fact that beginners need the most guidance, if we actually want to measure progress or see any real results, it only makes sense for everyone to get an even playing field from day one.

I honestly don't get what they're thinking. If they're already calling this an experiment, why on earth are they trying to compare students in the experimental track—like those in the 17th or 18th grade levels—against everyone else who isn't part of it? It just doesn't make sense. It feels like they're ignoring the massive reality of how things actually work for families here. Take the specialist shortage, for example. Whether you're looking for a psychologist, an orthodontist, or any other kind of specialist, the system is such a mess that you basically have two choices: you either wait a full year for an afternoon appointment, or you end up pulling your kid out of school entirely just to get them seen. It’s frustrating, and I don't see how they can claim this is a fair comparison when the baseline is already so broken. 🤔
I mean, let’s be honest—kids who are already skipping class quite a bit will probably end up staying home even more often. Since you can't learn everything just by sitting in a classroom anyway, I can see the number of excuse notes piling up at LOMovac's desk. And honestly? Given how much he has on his plate right now, he’ll probably just take them in stride with a smile!
Susan James Susan James Veteran
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#1052 ·
mistydrifter73 said:Found this in a Facebook group. These were some choice words from Josip Burušić (the special advisor to the Secretary of Education regarding all-day schooling) at a meeting for CDŠ in San Francisco:

"...there’s been way too much laziness."
"If you enjoyed yourselves, then fine, you enjoyed yourselves..."
"Things have been easy for you long enough; it's about time you actually started doing something."
"I honestly don't know why you guys even get a paycheck. If it were up to me, I wouldn't give you a dime."
"Teachers have gotten used to coasting, and now that they actually need to work, suddenly it's an issue."
"The only people showing up to the public forums are the ones who aren't working. I personally checked their teaching hours to see for myself."

Nothing beats feeling like your hard work is actually recognized. 🎉 😍

I guess that explains why they’ll probably give principals a 25% raise—so they can finally have the authority to force those lazy employees to actually do their jobs....
🤮
jadetinker85 jadetinker85 Regular
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#1053 ·
mistydrifter73 said:Found this in a Facebook group. These were some choice words from Josip Burušić (the special advisor to the Secretary of Education regarding all-day schooling) at a meeting for CDŠ in San Francisco:

"...there’s been way too much laziness."
"If you enjoyed yourselves, then fine, you enjoyed yourselves..."
"Things have been easy for you long enough; it's about time you actually started doing something."
"I honestly don't know why you guys even get a paycheck. If it were up to me, I wouldn't give you a dime."
"Teachers have gotten used to coasting, and now that they actually need to work, suddenly it's an issue."
"The only people showing up to the public forums are the ones who aren't working. I personally checked their teaching hours to see for myself."

Nothing beats feeling like your hard work is actually recognized. 🎉 😍

Safe to assume he's never spent a single day in a classroom.
mistydrifter73 mistydrifter73 Member
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#1054 ·
jadetinker85 said:Safe to assume he's never spent a single day in a classroom.

Duh. No way.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_..._duty
jadetinker85 jadetinker85 Regular
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#1055 ·
mistydrifter73 said:Duh. No way.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_..._duty

What was the reaction? People from Charleston tend to be pretty proud of their history.
Susan James Susan James Veteran
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#1056 ·
Just a quick update: the public comment period closed on April 6, 2023, and we’re expecting the final report to be released around May 5, 2023.
While I wouldn't be surprised if the response to nearly 3,000 comments ends up being a polite "thanks, we'll take it under advisement," it’s pretty glaring that the deadline for school district applications is set for April 28, 2023.
It looks like they're moving forward with those 25% salary increases regardless of what the massive pool of experts across the country thinks, or whether any actual changes come out of these consultations.🙏
mistydrifter73 mistydrifter73 Member
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#1057 ·
jadetinker85 said:What was the reaction? People from Charleston tend to be pretty proud of their history.

No clue, nothing's been reported on it yet. Just hoping someone actually gave him a reality check.
rowdypanther12 rowdypanther12 Regular
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#1058 ·
Hey everyone, I'm honestly shocked at the level of communication here. I can't believe someone would post something like that publicly 😱
hiddenseal14 hiddenseal14 Member
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#1059 ·
It is quite frankly infuriating that there wasn't even a single gathering regarding CDS held in Miami 😬
Sarah Hall53 Sarah Hall53 Regular
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#1060 ·
hiddenseal14 said:It is quite frankly infuriating that there wasn't even a single gathering regarding CDS held in Miami 😬

It did happen at Getaldić, though—at least that’s what I heard from some folks.
And apparently, people are saying they heard the exact same talking points being thrown around during those European People's Party events in both Seattle and Washington, D.C.
Down in Seattle, the directors were supposedly mortified by the whole thing. The Washingtonians didn't really say much about how they felt, but over in San Francisco, I heard even a few of the directors were nodding along.

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