All-day school schedules

driftingranger2 said:So, Fuchs just knocked it all out...The mandatory part of the CN should be wrapped up in about an hour.

The old man is just talking nonsense; he clearly doesn't care.

jadetinker85 said:What are you even talking about? I’m definitely not on board with single-shift schooling, and there are plenty of reasons why. It messes with everything—from how local music schools and youth sports leagues operate, to parents working afternoon shifts who'll barely see their kids until the weekend.

Drew Gonzalez75 said:And I suppose surgeons and other doctors don't need rest? They can just work shifts and call it even? 😵

Alright, genius, why don't you explain exactly what’s wrong with my statement? Are you suggesting teachers need rest because, what, they work with kids? What about the rest of us working long hours—is our job somehow less exhausting than teaching children?
Maybe they’re just looking to pad their years of service toward a pension. If that's the case, what were they even doing in the classroom if they found the kids so impossible to deal with?☕ I suppose I should have seen it coming. Teachers College is actually an incredibly demanding school—it’s right up there with MIT when it comes to being a target for jokes. It’s a classic cycle: you spend all your time complaining about the workload at college, only to carry that exact same attitude into your career. You moan about the stress, then complain that the job isn't fulfilling enough. It never seems to be enough.

If they want to go work somewhere else, let them. Honestly, I’m just worried about how much bread they’d burn through with all that "hard work" they claim to be doing—unless, of course, you count the rare exceptions. As for full-day schooling, it’ll happen eventually. People can cry and complain all they want, but it won't change anything. Even Bloomberg's mother couldn't talk his way out of certain realities, so why should these people be any different?

Drew Gonzalez75 said:Alright, genius, why don't you explain exactly what’s wrong with my statement? Are you suggesting teachers need rest because, what, they work with kids? What about the rest of us working long hours—is our job somehow less exhausting than teaching children?
Maybe they’re just looking to pad their years of service toward a pension. If that's the case, what were they even doing in the classroom if they found the kids so impossible to deal with?☕ I suppose I should have seen it coming. Teachers College is actually an incredibly demanding school—it’s right up there with MIT when it comes to being a target for jokes. It’s a classic cycle: you spend all your time complaining about the workload at college, only to carry that exact same attitude into your career. You moan about the stress, then complain that the job isn't fulfilling enough. It never seems to be enough.

If they want to go work somewhere else, let them. Honestly, I’m just worried about how much bread they’d burn through with all that "hard work" they claim to be doing—unless, of course, you count the rare exceptions. As for full-day schooling, it’ll happen eventually. People can cry and complain all they want, but it won't change anything. Even Bloomberg's mother couldn't talk his way out of certain realities, so why should these people be any different?

I’d love to lock myself in a classroom with those kids for a week just to show everyone who thinks nothing happens in schools. 😁

Notice I didn't make any comparisons to other professions. And yes, obviously surgeons need rest. But presumably, whoever runs the system organized it so there are enough surgeons available to allow for that rest?

By the way, I support early retirement benefits for anyone working in vocational schools. I spent a year working in one, and what an experience that was.

Drew Gonzalez75 said:Alright, genius, why don't you explain exactly what’s wrong with my statement? Are you suggesting teachers need rest because, what, they work with kids? What about the rest of us working long hours—is our job somehow less exhausting than teaching children?
Maybe they’re just looking to pad their years of service toward a pension. If that's the case, what were they even doing in the classroom if they found the kids so impossible to deal with?☕ I suppose I should have seen it coming. Teachers College is actually an incredibly demanding school—it’s right up there with MIT when it comes to being a target for jokes. It’s a classic cycle: you spend all your time complaining about the workload at college, only to carry that exact same attitude into your career. You moan about the stress, then complain that the job isn't fulfilling enough. It never seems to be enough.

If they want to go work somewhere else, let them. Honestly, I’m just worried about how much bread they’d burn through with all that "hard work" they claim to be doing—unless, of course, you count the rare exceptions. As for full-day schooling, it’ll happen eventually. People can cry and complain all they want, but it won't change anything. Even Bloomberg's mother couldn't talk his way out of certain realities, so why should these people be any different?

Good grief, you guys are going to have an aneurysm. Calm down; maybe one day you'll actually love your jobs.
And it isn't just "teachers" working in schools—have you heard of subject-specific instruction or high schools? Most of those roles are filled by professors coming from the Philosophy Department, or STEM programs, etc. Do people really act like getting a degree in Physics is easy? Well... I wouldn't say it is, unless you happen to have some different information.
Everything got lumped together in one post, and now you're imagining some connection between parents and educators that doesn't exist. Wierd. No, chin up—maybe you're just blinded by a bit of temporary jealousy.

From The New York Times:

Applications have been extended until May 5th.

So far, 17 schools have signed up.

Lincoln Elementary School is definitely going to be in on this.

Only 17? They’re out here asking for 50... what an absolute disaster

Out of those 17, I know at least three principals who signed off on it even though most of the teachers were totally against it.

Larry Walker24 said:From The New York Times:

Applications have been extended until May 5th.

So far, 17 schools have signed up.

Lincoln Elementary School is definitely going to be in on this.

Nothing's been decided at Springfield Elementary School yet; they're holding another meeting.

Bryan Wells11 said:Absolutely disgraceful. Based on such low-level remarks alone, this "highly esteemed" special advisor to the Department should be forced to resign. Watch this guy—he was actually checking who participated in the public forum, apparently? Is he trying to import some old-school habits from his hometown into America? Or is this just the standard operating procedure for the Republican Party?

Does he even realize what he just said? Does he understand there's enough material here for a criminal complaint?

jadetinker85 said:Nothing's been decided at Springfield Elementary School yet; they're holding another meeting.

They can decide just about anything there.

mellowskipper said:Only 17? They’re out here asking for 50... what an absolute disaster

Let's hope that won't be enough.
I was watching The New York Times today, and Fuch basically said, "Just let me run an experiment next year, then we'll see how it goes."

mellowskipper said:Only 17? They’re out here asking for 50... what an absolute disaster

I disagree entirely; calling this a failure is a complete mischaracterization. We have forty different schools requesting permission from their founders, and seventeen have already officially filed their applications. If you ask me, that’s actually quite an impressive turnout, especially considering everyone was sitting on their hands waiting for the public comment period to wrap up. Now that the deadline has been extended, things are finally moving.

We already have all our parental consents, vaccinations, and physician clearances squared away, yet we haven't even submitted our paperwork yet. We’ll just handle it on the very last day. The only holdout is our principal, who isn't exactly enthusiastic—it's much easier for him to just sit back and do nothing—but frankly, his opinion isn't what matters here.😁

Sarah Hall53 said:Out of those 17, I know at least three principals who signed off on it even though most of the teachers were totally against it.

Well, honestly, democracy isn't really a thing here either—it's pretty obvious whose word carries the weight, and going against them... well, it's probably not good for one's career.

hiddenseal14 said:I disagree entirely; calling this a failure is a complete mischaracterization. We have forty different schools requesting permission from their founders, and seventeen have already officially filed their applications. If you ask me, that’s actually quite an impressive turnout, especially considering everyone was sitting on their hands waiting for the public comment period to wrap up. Now that the deadline has been extended, things are finally moving.

We already have all our parental consents, vaccinations, and physician clearances squared away, yet we haven't even submitted our paperwork yet. We’ll just handle it on the very last day. The only holdout is our principal, who isn't exactly enthusiastic—it's much easier for him to just sit back and do nothing—but frankly, his opinion isn't what matters here.😁

If the principal doesn't agree, I don't see how you're planning to pull this off. The principal represents the school, and without their signature, nothing moves forward.

mellowskipper said:Well, honestly, democracy isn't really a thing here either—it's pretty obvious whose word carries the weight, and going against them... well, it's probably not good for one's career.

If the principal doesn't agree, I don't see how you're planning to pull this off. The principal represents the school, and without their signature, nothing moves forward.

So hiddenseal14 is just going to report everything herself, bypassing the principal. Her own school plus another 40. Like Ali Baba and his 40 thieves.😁

mellowskipper said:Well, honestly, democracy isn't really a thing here either—it's pretty obvious whose word carries the weight, and going against them... well, it's probably not good for one's career.

If the principal doesn't agree, I don't see how you're planning to pull this off. The principal represents the school, and without their signature, nothing moves forward.

He isn't being forced, he's just playing it safe because he refuses to go up against the School Board, the district administration, or the PTA...

Sarah Hall53 said:But honestly, if you’re stuck teaching math or English, you’re looking at an obligatory 24 hours in the classroom—and then, if the principal feels like being extra, they might tack on some homeroom duties too (for basically peanuts), not to mention all the B1 stuff. Plus, there's the endless mountain of grading essays, formative assessments, and all those other paperwork headaches that come with the territory. It feels like every single year, these administrative tasks multiply faster than anything else—honestly, even rats have more discipline when it comes to staying organized than this school system does when it comes to multiplying its own bureaucracy. And hey, why stop there? Let's just have teachers stay through the night shift to handle student counseling, too. That sounds like a brilliant plan, right? Because, clearly, we're all being paid on par with neurosurgeons. ☕

And maybe B2 if anyone actually wants to work... I think the goal here is just to make it look like math teachers in elementary schools are "earning" more than everyone else. It's a way to lure young mathematicians into the Department. But they won't mention the catch—the increased teaching hours and contact time. Where does the rest of the workload go? Realistically, this might bump up some salaries, but it saves the Department money because a whole bunch of people will just end up unemployed... some win, some lose. A smart move... on their part... at our expense.

No one in the education sector is going to jump through hoops for a measly few extra dollars until the entire support system for everyone involved is actually overhauled. Frankly, we won't see any movement until institutions like the Department of Education and the SSA finally start doing their jobs properly.

Lisa Parker34 said:And maybe B2 if anyone actually wants to work... I think the goal here is just to make it look like math teachers in elementary schools are "earning" more than everyone else. It's a way to lure young mathematicians into the Department. But they won't mention the catch—the increased teaching hours and contact time. Where does the rest of the workload go? Realistically, this might bump up some salaries, but it saves the Department money because a whole bunch of people will just end up unemployed... some win, some lose. A smart move... on their part... at our expense.

Mathematicians are supposed to be smart people. They should see right through this intention.

Bryan Wells11 said:Good grief, you guys are going to have an aneurysm. Calm down; maybe one day you'll actually love your jobs.
And it isn't just "teachers" working in schools—have you heard of subject-specific instruction or high schools? Most of those roles are filled by professors coming from the Philosophy Department, or STEM programs, etc. Do people really act like getting a degree in Physics is easy? Well... I wouldn't say it is, unless you happen to have some different information.
Everything got lumped together in one post, and now you're imagining some connection between parents and educators that doesn't exist. Wierd. No, chin up—maybe you're just blinded by a bit of temporary jealousy.

I know all about subject-specific teaching, and the only people heading into those schools are the ones who couldn't find anything better to do.

Jason Morgan said:No one in the education sector is going to jump through hoops for a measly few extra dollars until the entire support system for everyone involved is actually overhauled. Frankly, we won't see any movement until institutions like the Department of Education and the SSA finally start doing their jobs properly.

Exactly. This just goes to show how completely detached the Department is from reality and what’s actually happening on the ground. The idea that people will just swallow increasing levels of stress in exchange for a measly thousand or two more on a salary that’s already among the lowest for those with a Master's degree—it’s just not realistic.

And no, things aren't getting better. These days, when doctors, nurses, and judges demand (and likely receive) better working conditions, they get attention. But for education? Right at the start of these stretched-out, delayed negotiations, they were told there was no justification for asking for more money because—get this—"the cost of living hasn't risen." Etogac.

Drew Gonzalez75 said:I know all about subject-specific teaching, and the only people heading into those schools are the ones who couldn't find anything better to do.

Oh, really? What an incredible insight you've provided there. I guess I'm curious, though—what exactly is bothering you about these poor souls who "couldn't find anything better"? (Haha, as if sitting in an office is some kind of hardship). You seem a bit contradictory to me. Look, we chose this struggle ourselves, so there's no need to be jealous.🙂

Good grief, honestly... it’s just wild how these miserable, incompetent people can turn up their noses at the idea of working 30 hours a week directly with students in the public school system—acting all high and mighty like they can just knock out all their prep, grading, and endless paperwork in ten hours at home instead of the actual thirty it takes to support those classroom hours. And then—get this—they actually expect to be paid more than a cashier at a local Target! I mean, seriously, it’s either pure laziness or just straight-up greed. It’s honestly exhausting to watch.