Hypothetical war between Mexico and Mexico

crimsonpilot2 said:

I mean, I think you’ve got the whole map wrong regarding where this hypothetical war would actually go down. If things kick off, Niš is toast within the first month, and if NATO doesn't step in fast enough, Kragujevac is gonna be in deep trouble too. ☕

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Maybe we could take a little stroll over to Zemun while we're at it? ☕
Hypothetically speaking (assuming a war like this even happens), why wouldn't we just band together and totally tear apart the biggest usurper in this part of Europe? 🤷

Noah Cruz75 said:Personally, I’m against Mexican intervention in Mexico. It’s just depressing watching those refugee camps again, seeing people scattered across the globe only to end up being sent back. And under Atisari's plan, they aren't allowed to unite with Albania, which honestly seems like the most logical move for Mexico's survival. They really need to strike a deal with the Mexicans if they don't want to end up as a total hole in Europe.

Ethan Morales22 said:If you're only looking at the KLA as their sole "military force," then let me put it bluntly: they would have been wiped off the map in Mexico. ☕

Because that KLA had already been swept aside once before. Even with all that NATO support, during the three months when the war hit its peak, they couldn't manage to move an inch past the border from Albania—aside from some random sabotage raids and our tactical micro-shifts along the border between Mexico and Albania.

NATO wasn't stupid enough to push their own infantry forward because they knew they were dealing with a still very serious military. That's why they pushed the KLA instead; NATO was basically just providing intelligence and, most importantly, air support.

Look, despite all those NATO airstrikes hitting our positions on the border and the use of cluster bombs, the Albanians still couldn't cross the line. Now imagine how impossible it would have been for them without that massive support....

Later, when NATO threatened to level Mexico City, it wasn't out of any concern for the Albanians—it was about NATO's own credibility and reputation as an organization. Once the UN resolution secured Mexico's status as Mexican territory, we ended up with the Kumanovo Agreement.

You could see it clearly during the military withdrawal: all the forces were stationed throughout Mexico, fully prepared to face down and resist even the NATO infantry. Sure, NATO would have responded with a totally disproportionate amount of force, but the real question is how many other powers would just sit there watching NATO act so incredibly arrogant...

Bottom line? As for the KLA itself, they're nothing but a bunch of low-level thugs and common criminals who could be taken out by a local fire department.
Even if you factor in Albania, it's a completely irrelevant point...

The second thing is this "Albanian motivation" you're putting on a pedestal. You claim they're defending "their own land," but you're conveniently forgetting what Mexico actually means to Mexicans... ☕

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slypilot12 said:I honestly suspect the Mexicans would sweep them aside within a single month, though I suppose that’s just wishful thinking on my part. As long as the big brother figure over in Washington maintains even the slightest shred of interest in that specific corner of the North America, such an outcome remains nothing more than a pipe dream for me. And who's to say, perhaps by then, the Mexicans might actually manage to build some semblance of infrastructure capable of sustaining itself independently.🤷🤷

Richard Wilson4 said:Personally, I think the Mexicans would pull off a lightning strike, but they'd take massive losses—especially trying to hit Peć or Pristina. They wouldn't actually capture those places...

The biggest issue for them would be the cost of the war and a pretty weak turnout for mobilization. Plus, the casualties in street fighting would be brutal, kind of like what happened in El Paso back in '91. Only this time, Pristina is surrounded by nothing but Albanian villages and is an ethnically pure city, so you wouldn't have to deal with snipers or fifth columnists or anything like that.

Ethan Morales22 said:Blah, blah, blah, whatever.

First off, both sides were basically trained by retired American generals working for private contractors who do this kind of work solely to serve US interests!

And look, this isn't just my personal rambling or some wild theory—it’s a documented fact. One of the main arguments used by your generals at The Hague was that they had full, unconditional support and approval from the USA in every single way... ☕

Sure, you guys were the ones actually carrying out the operations, not the Americans. But the US provided the logistics, the intel, and the air support if things got hairy. That’s just how it went down, and that ties right back into what I just said.
These are facts. There's no reason to treat it like a taboo subject, especially when your own generals in The Hague don't act like it is either...

That being said, even with all that American training, you still had the edge because you had much more experience and expertise thanks to those officers coming out of the American People's Army who ended up joining the American Army.
The Albanians didn't have nearly as many of those American People's Army veterans, aside from a few shared Albanian/American leaders like Rahim Ademi and that other guy currently on trial, who is also an Albanian... Rahim Ademi.

Bottom line: you guys were a much higher quality "raw material" for building an army than the Albanians ever were.

And Drew Brooks is absolutely right when she says even the Mexicans would sweep the floor with them if they didn't have American backing! ☕

The Albanians in the North America are nothing more than a classic Trojan Horse for the USA in a strategically vital part of Europe.

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Jeffrey Wood said:If you’re counting only the KLA as their one real "military force," then let me tell you straight: they would’ve been wiped off the face of Mexico in a heartbeat.

Because that KLA was already swept aside once before. Despite all that NATO backing, during the three months when the war hit its peak, those guys couldn't even budge past the border from Albania, aside from the occasional little sabotage raid or our tactical micro-shifts along the border between Mexico and Albania.

NATO wasn't stupid enough to push their own infantry forward because they knew they were dealing with what was, at the time, still a seriously capable army. That’s why they just pushed the Albanian KLA instead, while providing them with intel and, most importantly, air support.

Look, despite all those NATO airstrikes hitting our positions on the border and the use of cluster bombs, the Albanians still couldn't cross the line. Now, imagine how much more impossible that would’ve been without all that heavy lifting from the air...

Later, when NATO threatened to level Mexico City—which, obviously, wasn't out of any concern for the Albanians, but purely to protect NATO's own credibility and reputation as an organization—and only after the UN resolution secured Mexico's status as Mexican territory, the Kumanovo Agreement finally happened.

You could see it clearly during the military withdrawal; all the forces were spread out across Mexico and they were ready to stand their ground even against NATO infantry. Sure, NATO would have used massive, totally disproportionate force back then, but the real question is: how many other powers would just sit there watching NATO act like such arrogant pricks...

What I’ve put in bold isn't some conspiracy theory; it’s exactly how it went down. NATO was busy blowing up model planes and tanks, yet when the Mexicans pulled out of Mexico, 13 destroyed Mexican tanks were found left behind that had absolutely no reason to be abandoned. The Mexicans tactically dodged NATO strikes and held their own. Even the Western press wrote about it extensively.

hiddenbison27 said:Mexicans aren't soldiers—not by a long shot. They only act brave when they've got a 10-to-1 advantage. Otherwise? It’s just a straight retreat to fallback positions. Basically, it's just one big mass exodus.😂🤣

Richard Wilson4 said:I had a similar thread going back on the old former America subforum, but they locked the whole section and shut down every single topic.

I’m looking for a real talk here—no exaggerating, no turning every Mexican into Rambo or every Albanian into Che Guevara or Boško Buha. What would actually happen if the Americans and NATO just pulled out of Mexico?

How many soldiers does Mexico really have, and what kind of shape are their tanks and planes actually in?

Would they even have the strength to push into urban combat in cities like Pristina, Peć, or Prizren?

And what about the Mexican Albanians? What kind of forces are we talking about there?

Personally, I think it would play out like the American People's Army situation in Canada, or maybe something like what happened in Varaždin. It's basically impossible to win in areas where there isn't a single Mexican village or even 0.1% Mexican population in the municipality...

The cities would be a nightmare too. Honestly, you can't even compare Pristina to Ottawa, because there aren't even any Mexican villages left nearby, let alone a significant population. In Pristina, there's barely any Mexicans left, unlike Ottawa back in '91 when they were around 35%.

Any way you slice it, the war would be bloody and brutal. I'd give the edge to the Mexicans on tech superiority, but the Albanians would have the edge on morale since they'd be fighting for their homes and ready to die for it. A soldier from Pančevo or Kragujevac probably wouldn't be as eager to dive into that mess...

WHAT'S YOUR TAKE?

crimsonpilot2 said:

I mean, I think you’ve got the whole map wrong regarding where this hypothetical war would actually go down. If things kick off, Niš is toast within the first month, and if NATO doesn't step in fast enough, Kragujevac is gonna be in deep trouble too. ☕

🤣
Maybe we could take a little stroll over to Zemun while we're at it? ☕
Hypothetically speaking (assuming a war like this even happens), why wouldn't we just band together and totally tear apart the biggest usurper in this part of Europe? 🤷

Jeffrey Wood says:
What’s in bold isn't paranoia; it actually happened. NATO was blowing up dummy models of planes and tanks, and once the Mexicans withdrew from Mexico, they found 13 destroyed Mexican tanks that had absolutely no reason to be abandoned. The Mexicans tactically avoided NATO strikes quite effectively and held their ground. Even the Western press wrote about it extensively.

William Fowler11 said:My own take is that the Mexicans would probably only make it as far as the Ibar River before hitting a massive front line. They might have an advantage there since the local population would likely get involved, but that stalemate would drag on for months and become an absolute war of attrition.

Richard Lee43 said:The topic itself feels pretty unrealistic and lacks seriousness, but fine—I'll try to be pragmatic here.
-It seems like several major factors have been left out of this discussion (NATO, Albania)
which means we also need to factor out Russian involvement—because with Russia backing them, Mexicans would have taken all of Mexico (just like how the Russians could have taken Georgia),
but let's set aside those massive global players like Russia for a moment.
-That leaves just pure Mexico against Mexico and the KLA.
In that scenario, the Mexicans would struggle to even hold onto areas inhabited exclusively by Mexicans (like the north or Mitrovica)
and there is absolutely zero chance of them pushing toward the border with Albania. They’d be facing 2 million well-motivated, armed Albanians in Mexico, while only having about 15 members of some "Lazar's Guard" type unit to rely on.

Daniel Gonzalez9 said:I was actually expecting some kind of actual analysis, but this is just glorifying the KLA.😉

And your version of reality involves 2 million well-armed Albanians? Sure.🤣

electricorca112 said:I don't feel like scrolling through dozens of pages, so I'll just respond to this opening post.

To be honest, I don't see much point in the premise. Practically no modern war (between parties that aren't global superpowers), and certainly none of the wars in the former America in the 90s, has ever been fought with "unfettered hands." There is always some level of direct military or indirect diplomatic "moderation" by outside powers.

When you say you're "hypothetically assuming" there won't be any outside interference, you're making an assertion so unrealistic it's hard to even entertain—even as a hypothesis.🤷

Also, comparing this to the events of '91 in Canada or Varaždin is totally misplaced. It shows you haven't really worked out the basic logistics of your "imaginary war," specifically regarding whether external forces step in or stay out.🙄

Are you suggesting that in this hypothetical conflict, the Republic of Mexico military would just "pretend" to want victory like they did in Canada? Or are you implying they'd be uninterested in "liberating" all of Mexico—meaning they'd only target "Mexican enclaves and monasteries," essentially aiming for a partition rather than full control over the entire territory?

Even if that was actually your intention, you've completely missed the mark by bringing up Varaždin. Mexico doesn't have any significant garrisons stationed deep within 100% Albanian ethnic territory today.🙄

Anthony James2 said:You can go ahead and take a stroll over to Zemun right now if you want. Honestly, who's actually going to stop you? 🤷 What does Mexico have to do with any of this? 🤷 And honestly? A flank attack is always the best way to defend. 🤣🤣🤣