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silverraven7 silverraven7 Active Member
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#21 ·
Maher, beautifully put.
I really want to hammer home that last paragraph of yours, and honestly, I’ll go a step further—there isn't a single lie in my life. That's just how I chose to live; I surround myself with people who operate the exact same way.

The truth is, I always start from the assumption that everyone is telling the truth. If someone decides to lie, that's their own baggage to deal with, and it doesn't shake me one bit. Even after I've had a couple too many glasses of wine, I don't have any secrets or shady business going on like so many other people.

Some folks might think I'm missing a few screws, but I'm telling you, life is just better when there aren't hidden agendas everywhere—when you're honest, open, and actually mean what you say.
Sandra Morgan2 Sandra Morgan2 Active Member
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#22 ·
Paul Jones7 said:I mean, that last part is definitely true—it hits home—but the idea itself carries some weight too. Fixing yourself is where everything starts, and that’s the primary thing... though I wouldn't say it's the *only* thing we can do, not by a long shot.

Look, we've got two hands, two legs, one brain, and the free will to decide what to do with them. If we weren't meant to act on our own accord, I guess free will wouldn't have been given to us in the first place.

From the book I am that, Nisargadatta swami

Q: Surely, I am not the master of what happens. Its slave rather.

M: Be neither master, nor slave. Stand aloof.

Q: Does it imply avoidance of action?

M: You cannot avoid action. It happens, like everything else.

Q: My actions, surely, I can control.

M: Try. You will soon see that you do what you must.

Q: I can act according to my free will.

M: You know your will only after you have acted.

Q: I remember my desires, the choices made, the decisions taken and act accordingly.

M: Then your memory decides, not you.

Q: Where do I come in?

M: You make it possible by giving it attention.

Q: Is there no such thing as free will? Am I not free to desire?

M: Oh no. You are compelled to desire. In Hinduism the very idea of free will is non-existent, so there is no word for it. Will is commitment, fixation, bondage.

Q: I am free to choose my limitations.

M: You must be free first. To be free in the world you must be free of the world. Otherwise your past decides for you and your future. Between what had happened and what must happen you are caught. Call it destiny or karma, but never—freedom. First return to your true being and then act from the heart of love.
Paul Jones7 Paul Jones7 Active Member
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#23 ·
hm, yeah... I've been chewing on this idea of what free will might actually look like before things get too complicated, and I think I've landed somewhere:

if your response to premises 1 and 2—which basically set the stage—is always 3, then there's just no room for free will to even exist as a concept, let alone as an action

but if you take those same premises, 1 and 2, and your answer is 3... yet sometimes it's 4... or maybe even 5... well, that’s where free will lives, I guess. It's that break in the cause-and-effect chain where 1 and 2 would normally lead straight to 3 based on those patterns we have running through our heads

still, free will has to exist—because if it doesn't, then consciousness itself isn't really there, and life wouldn't feel real; it would just be a movie that was already filmed long ago

then there's the other question, I suppose... how much free will do we actually have... or if we even have any at all
Sandra Morgan2 Sandra Morgan2 Active Member
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#24 ·
Paul Jones7 said:hm, yeah... I've been chewing on this idea of what free will might actually look like before things get too complicated, and I think I've landed somewhere:

if your response to premises 1 and 2—which basically set the stage—is always 3, then there's just no room for free will to even exist as a concept, let alone as an action

but if you take those same premises, 1 and 2, and your answer is 3... yet sometimes it's 4... or maybe even 5... well, that’s where free will lives, I guess. It's that break in the cause-and-effect chain where 1 and 2 would normally lead straight to 3 based on those patterns we have running through our heads

still, free will has to exist—because if it doesn't, then consciousness itself isn't really there, and life wouldn't feel real; it would just be a movie that was already filmed long ago

then there's the other question, I suppose... how much free will do we actually have... or if we even have any at all


It looks like you think you’re picking between 4 or 5 options, but it’s actually always just 3. You might feel like you had a choice, but you really just picked what was inevitable—because 1 and 2 always lead straight to 3.

Free will simply has to exist. Because if it doesn't, then consciousness itself isn't real—and if consciousness isn't real, then life isn't actually happening. It would just be a movie that was finished long ago.

It isn't meant to be recorded for you.

The whole question of whether we actually have free will or not... honestly, it’s enough to drive a person insane.
Paul Jones7 Paul Jones7 Active Member
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#25 ·
Sandra Morgan2 said:It looks like you think you’re picking between 4 or 5 options, but it’s actually always just 3. You might feel like you had a choice, but you really just picked what was inevitable—because 1 and 2 always lead straight to 3.

Free will simply has to exist. Because if it doesn't, then consciousness itself isn't real—and if consciousness isn't real, then life isn't actually happening. It would just be a movie that was finished long ago.

It isn't meant to be recorded for you.

The whole question of whether we actually have free will or not... honestly, it’s enough to drive a person insane.

if life is all predetermined, then consciousness doesn't really make sense—it wouldn't even exist; we'd just be looking at complex programming in the brains of living things creating this illusion of awareness, making us nothing more than robots. in that scenario, the entire future has already happened, since it's just as determined as the past, and our individual experience doesn't really matter to the outcome at all.

then again, there are plenty of indicators—including claims from people who claim to see into the future—suggesting that things aren't set in stone, but rather consist of possibilities that eventually collapse into one inevitable event.

And that kind of indeterminism is only possible if free will exists, even if it's only in some tiny, microscopic way.

With how we understand the world today, I suppose knowing for certain that life is predetermined would probably just push me to totally give up, because, well, it wouldn't matter anyway. If there's only one possible outcome, why bother struggling? It's going to happen regardless. Even the realization that everything is deterministic would likely just be another part of that same determinism. Everything would just be... inevitable.
Sandra Morgan2 Sandra Morgan2 Active Member
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#26 ·
Paul Jones7 said:if life is all predetermined, then consciousness doesn't really make sense—it wouldn't even exist; we'd just be looking at complex programming in the brains of living things creating this illusion of awareness, making us nothing more than robots. in that scenario, the entire future has already happened, since it's just as determined as the past, and our individual experience doesn't really matter to the outcome at all.

then again, there are plenty of indicators—including claims from people who claim to see into the future—suggesting that things aren't set in stone, but rather consist of possibilities that eventually collapse into one inevitable event.

And that kind of indeterminism is only possible if free will exists, even if it's only in some tiny, microscopic way.

With how we understand the world today, I suppose knowing for certain that life is predetermined would probably just push me to totally give up, because, well, it wouldn't matter anyway. If there's only one possible outcome, why bother struggling? It's going to happen regardless. Even the realization that everything is deterministic would likely just be another part of that same determinism. Everything would just be... inevitable.

Exactly! Like I said, once you realize free will doesn't exist, it can drive you crazy. A person might just give up on everything and stop trying, falling into a trap of nihilism and becoming totally passive. Or, they might just do whatever they feel like, because if there's no free will, there's no personal responsibility for your actions.

Then God and the devil become one and the same, which makes questioning His goodness and love a real issue.

To keep Sandra Morgan2 from cracking under the pressure, she smoothed it out like this:

Everything is God = which means I am God too
Everything is God's will = so my will is God's will
wearyrider16 wearyrider16 Active MemberOP
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#27 ·
hiddenpilot3 said:Alright, so are you actually gonna share it with us or what? 😛

Alright, I'll try to keep this brief and get straight to the point. Ever since high school, I've always felt like an outsider. It wasn't about being weird; it was just that I couldn't relate to how everyone else thought or acted. To be honest, the way most people live—their values and standards—always rubbed me the wrong way, and it hasn't changed. Why? Because I've always known my life couldn't just be about physical stuff or material things. I knew there had to be a higher purpose out there. So, I started looking. I went through countless books and sacred texts, searching for meaning. It became even more obvious during college, where I saw just how empty and shallow things can feel when people reject everything that's actually healthy and good. It seemed like it was all just partying, sex, drinking, and making fun of anyone who stands out. I used to wonder, "Am I really the only one?" It felt like everyone was just trapped in this primitive social loop that basically poisons people's minds. Even the intellectuals and the "educated" crowd—instead of teaching students how to be actual human beings, they just mold them into conformists who go on to raise families based on those same broken norms. You don't even have to look hard to see it; there’s enough injustice and dishonesty in the world to go around. For someone with a healthy conscience, that kind of thing really stings. I've read a mountain of books on this—psychology, sociology, philosophy, religion, spirituality... and back in 2005, I really dove deep into the Bible. It actually calls out exactly what I was seeing. It exposes the fake clergy and hypocritical leaders who just exploit naive followers to serve their own selfish interests. Honestly, some churches can be even worse than political parties. While many claim the Bible was just written by men to suit their own agendas without any divine inspiration, I believe it can truly liberate any soul searching for truth in this messy world. I'll close with these words from Jesus that mean a lot to me: ... and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free! John 8:32. Truly, a person without faith is just as lost. They become a slave to a corrupt and twisted world that relentlessly crushes and wounds the inner child we all carry inside. Thanks for listening. 😉
Paul Jones7 Paul Jones7 Active Member
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#28 ·
Sandra Morgan2 said:Exactly! Like I said, once you realize free will doesn't exist, it can drive you crazy. A person might just give up on everything and stop trying, falling into a trap of nihilism and becoming totally passive. Or, they might just do whatever they feel like, because if there's no free will, there's no personal responsibility for your actions.

Then God and the devil become one and the same, which makes questioning His goodness and love a real issue.

To keep Sandra Morgan2 from cracking under the pressure, she smoothed it out like this:

Everything is God = which means I am God too
Everything is God's will = so my will is God's will

The whole purpose of the world becomes questionable. I suppose a deterministic view is basically an atheistic one; because if God actually created a reality like this, it would feel like a cruel joke. The world's meaning becomes nothing more than a plaything for God, and nothing else, since creation itself lacks any real substance.

Love in a deterministic world also starts to seem pointless—just another layer of maya, really—because it's just as programmed as anything else.

And pantheism, in a world that doesn't contain a pure, absolute Divine Principle in its purest absolute form, eventually just turns into atheism.
Sandra Morgan2 Sandra Morgan2 Active Member
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#29 ·
@ Paul Jones7
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Nisargadatta Maharaj: Destiny is usually thought of as something that is going to happen in the future. Destiny is all here-now. The script has already been written. am playing all the characters in the movie; and I am witnessing the movie which is already done.

Our lives play out like a film on loop. There’s just one catch: we get to choose whether to embrace the screening or fight it. Simple, right? When the ego—blinded by ignorance—tries to reject the plot, that’s where the suffering starts. Accept the movie, and you find enlightenment.


Before we can ever break out of the prison
we have to realize we're actually locked inside.

Personality is never truly free.
Personality doesn't possess free will.
Thankfully, personality doesn't even exist.
Paul Jones7 Paul Jones7 Active Member
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#30 ·
Why on earth do you think this guy is right about everything he says?

Authority?

I mean, so what if he said it? 😂

If free will doesn't actually exist, then there isn't really anything to accept or reject regarding this whole "movie of life" thing—because even that would have to be part of determinism, leaving absolutely zero room for choice. The way this has been translated, at least, seems to lead us straight into a contradiction.
Dennis Moore4 Dennis Moore4 Member
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#31 ·
mellowangler59 said:I just don't see it that way. You can't really bridge the gap between good and evil because they're fundamentally at odds. To me, matter is inherently tied to the darker side of existence, while the spirit is where true goodness lives. It’s like trying to mix oil and water—they just aren't meant to occupy the same space.


Spirit governs matter; matter doesn't govern matter.

Matter isn't evil by its own nature—it's about how it’s being handled.

And there are plenty of different ways to handle things...
That's where both good and evil are born within the spiritual realm.
cosmictinker21 cosmictinker21 Active Member
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#32 ·
Dennis Moore4 said:Spirit governs matter; matter doesn't govern matter.

Matter isn't evil by its own nature—it's about how it’s being handled.

And there are plenty of different ways to handle things...
That's where both good and evil are born within the spiritual realm.

I can't quite reach those beautiful, poetic heights you all seem to be exchanging; maybe I haven't lived enough, read enough, or learned enough... and naturally, I haven't attained that kind of spiritual breadth yet...

But free will is precisely what sets us apart from other creatures (at least most of them, within the scope of the natural events we've observed so far). Everything we experience—our upbringing, the suggestions from people around us, the conclusions we draw by observing our surroundings, our education, recommendations, prohibitions or dogmas, emotional coloring, memories of past events, and even those things we haven't yet consciously recognized as clear thoughts or feelings that we carry inside...

All of this leads us to a single "realization," which can be foggy at times or sharply defined. It's the baseline we use when we need to decide something, act, write, or take a "stand" and behave according to the situation...

Is that "stand" merely the result of environmental influences and our genetically determined capacities—our talents or perhaps even hard-won enlightenments? We are always being guided toward what we know. Some people simply surrender and do exactly what they were taught by others, without using any part of themselves. They don't stop to think if it's good, reasonable, or useful... (you could list causes and effects indefinitely). Often, we think we know exactly what to do, so we just do it. Is that choice driven by vanity, desire, intention, knowledge, or experience? Again, it comes down to the individual and how others perceive them. Some just lack the courage (due to who knows what kind of setbacks, ignorance, or simply never being taught how to decide and act independently, following their own conscience and judgment)...

Sometimes decisions are just incredibly heavy. When you're choosing between two evils, you just hope you pick the one that does the least damage...

Unfortunately, that's often our reality. Now, the question becomes one of freedom.

The personal freedom of decision-making that rests on autonomy, individuality, and the personal courage to not clash with our surroundings, even when we believe we are right.

They say mature adults should be capable of making their own decisions.
But who among us is truly grown up? Who has risen above this tiny little universe, whose internal mechanisms have fully matured to the point where they can decide entirely on their own, without outside influence? Who doesn't still carry within them the memory of a little boy who realizes he understands nothing at all, and that there is still so much more to learn while everyone else seems to already know it? Does that little boy, peering out from his deeply hidden hiding spot, have the right to stay small, or is he obligated to grow up?

I suppose everyone eventually gets the chance for that little boy to become a real man. Well, he doesn't necessarily need to be six-foot-four and two hundred pounds like our star players on the NBA roster😍
and he shouldn't have the right to keep hiding behind the curtain anymore.

Free will and the freedom to act are offered to all of us (please, let's not get bogged down in philosophical Gordian knots or Rashomon-style riddles! Let's talk about the everyday events around us that we actually have the power to influence). We might not be able to affect decisions regarding wars, inflation, or national politics due to ignorance or a lack of agency, but we can certainly influence those around us. We can teach children to move through life with an open spirit, to learn, to think, and not to follow the bad habits of the herd. We can encourage those standing on the edge of a difficult decision. We can offer a smile and support, because doing so won't emotionally or spiritually drain us like squeezing a lemon. Talk to your neighbor, the clerk at the grocery store, or someone on the subway. Be kind to the impatient person waiting in line at the bank. It'll make waiting easier for both you and them. Think globally, act locally.

we always have our freedom in that...
wearyowl29 wearyowl29 Regular
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#33 ·
wearyrider16;29010740 You know, churches can actually be even more problematic than political parties. ... The Bible as the word of God (though plenty of folks argue it was just written by people to suit their own agendas, without any divine inspiration) truly has the power to liberate any soul searching for truth in this messy, corrupted world. Let me wrap up my thoughts with these deeply moving words from Jesus Christ; [B says:
... and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free! John 8:32. And honestly, a person without faith is just as dead. They become a slave to this twisted, corrupt world that relentlessly tramples, wounds, and bites at the inner child we all carry within us!!! Anyway, thanks for reading. 😉

You hit the nail right on the head... that idea of the Word of God—as if God went silent right after finishing it and hasn't said a thing since—is exactly how those groups, who are even worse than politicians, maintain control, just like you pointed out...

Truth sets you free... well, actually, truth imposes a duty... what really frees you is simply channeling your excess energy, whereas truth acts as an "obligation," both toward others and toward yourself.

The world only wounds those who allow themselves to be wounded.😉
Sandra Morgan2 Sandra Morgan2 Active Member
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#34 ·
Paul Jones7 said:Why on earth do you think this guy is right about everything he says?

Authority?

I mean, so what if he said it? 😂

If free will doesn't actually exist, then there isn't really anything to accept or reject regarding this whole "movie of life" thing—because even that would have to be part of determinism, leaving absolutely zero room for choice. The way this has been translated, at least, seems to lead us straight into a contradiction.

🙂 Yes, you're right.... the contradiction is real.... and yes, you're spot on—it doesn't matter what some enlightened N. Maharaj says. You aren't obligated to believe he's enlightened or that he's even correct...

I could lay out a whole series of arguments right now proving that free will doesn't exist, and I wouldn't bet against you finding even more arguments to prove it does..... but no matter how much we talk, we won't find the truth through debate. It reveals itself clearly in an entirely different dimension—one far above the mind.

All it takes is one single leap beyond the mind and the ego's disappearance to gain not just an answer, but a crystal-clear insight into whether free will exists or not. Until that happens, both the one claiming it doesn't exist and the one claiming it does are just guessing.

So, let's not dwell on this topic any further.... 🙂
dustyraven26 dustyraven26 Active Member
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#35 ·
People often claim they are free simply because they have options, yet they simultaneously strive for a sense of spontaneity where those very choices vanish. 😕
I maintain that:
True freedom is spontaneous action without the need for choice, rooted in a direct realization of the situation, here and now.

Lest it seems I am drifting from the core subject:
Deception relies on choice—specifically, the choice of how we wish to present ourselves to ourselves and the world. In spontaneity, there is no room for lies.
Paul Jones7 Paul Jones7 Active Member
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#36 ·
Sandra Morgan2 said:🙂 Yes, you're right.... the contradiction is real.... and yes, you're spot on—it doesn't matter what some enlightened N. Maharaj says. You aren't obligated to believe he's enlightened or that he's even correct...

I could lay out a whole series of arguments right now proving that free will doesn't exist, and I wouldn't bet against you finding even more arguments to prove it does..... but no matter how much we talk, we won't find the truth through debate. It reveals itself clearly in an entirely different dimension—one far above the mind.

All it takes is one single leap beyond the mind and the ego's disappearance to gain not just an answer, but a crystal-clear insight into whether free will exists or not. Until that happens, both the one claiming it doesn't exist and the one claiming it does are just guessing.

So, let's not dwell on this topic any further.... 🙂

hm

Now, me? I'm pretty sure—even though, as you know, I'm not much of a reader and haven't picked up many spiritual books—that there are plenty of enlightened people who claim the exact opposite: that free will exists. Does that strike you as odd? I mean, is an enlightened person someone who supposedly knows everything?

I’d say that’s just impossible. Nobody on this planet knows everything, and they never will, mostly because it just isn't compatible with this level of existence. And if they don't know everything, then there's another possibility, which I think is actually quite common: that even the concepts held by enlightened beings simply aren't entirely accurate sometimes.

And occasionally, as in the case of the man you were quoting, I’d personally say he knew more than he let on. He might have intentionally held back just to guide his students in the direction he wanted them to go—thinking that revealing everything he knew would be way too confusing and would just scatter their focus everywhere.

From that contradiction, I get the sense that he’s silently admitting free will exists, but he just didn't want to say it outright. His entire school of thought is built on non-attachment, transparency, and accepting life exactly as it is. He recognizes that this is the path toward the exit and enlightenment.

But that brings up the next question, which is the same one you'd ask about Christianity or any other tradition: okay, so that's one school of thought; but is it the *only* one? Is it the only way, the only path to enlightenment?

I honestly doubt it. Even though I don't see much, I still see a world full of different possibilities all around me.

Sandra Morgan2 said:🙂 Yes, you're right.... the contradiction is real.... and yes, you're spot on—it doesn't matter what some enlightened N. Maharaj says. You aren't obligated to believe he's enlightened or that he's even correct...

I could lay out a whole series of arguments right now proving that free will doesn't exist, and I wouldn't bet against you finding even more arguments to prove it does..... but no matter how much we talk, we won't find the truth through debate. It reveals itself clearly in an entirely different dimension—one far above the mind.

All it takes is one single leap beyond the mind and the ego's disappearance to gain not just an answer, but a crystal-clear insight into whether free will exists or not. Until that happens, both the one claiming it doesn't exist and the one claiming it does are just guessing.

So, let's not dwell on this topic any further.... 🙂

Fair enough. So, do you have a recipe for achieving that kind of insight? Have you ever had an insight like that regarding this topic?

It always seems to me that it's just as easy to have the illusion of insight. The personality just steps in in such a way that it becomes incredibly difficult to tell what was a genuine insight and what was just... well, everything else.
Hannah Thompson2 Hannah Thompson2 Active Member
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#37 ·
wearyrider16 said:Alright, I'll try to keep this brief and get straight to the point. Ever since high school, I've always felt like an outsider. It wasn't about being weird; it was just that I couldn't relate to how everyone else thought or acted. To be honest, the way most people live—their values and standards—always rubbed me the wrong way, and it hasn't changed. Why? Because I've always known my life couldn't just be about physical stuff or material things. I knew there had to be a higher purpose out there. So, I started looking. I went through countless books and sacred texts, searching for meaning. It became even more obvious during college, where I saw just how empty and shallow things can feel when people reject everything that's actually healthy and good. It seemed like it was all just partying, sex, drinking, and making fun of anyone who stands out. I used to wonder, "Am I really the only one?" It felt like everyone was just trapped in this primitive social loop that basically poisons people's minds. Even the intellectuals and the "educated" crowd—instead of teaching students how to be actual human beings, they just mold them into conformists who go on to raise families based on those same broken norms. You don't even have to look hard to see it; there’s enough injustice and dishonesty in the world to go around. For someone with a healthy conscience, that kind of thing really stings. I've read a mountain of books on this—psychology, sociology, philosophy, religion, spirituality... and back in 2005, I really dove deep into the Bible. It actually calls out exactly what I was seeing. It exposes the fake clergy and hypocritical leaders who just exploit naive followers to serve their own selfish interests. Honestly, some churches can be even worse than political parties. While many claim the Bible was just written by men to suit their own agendas without any divine inspiration, I believe it can truly liberate any soul searching for truth in this messy world. I'll close with these words from Jesus that mean a lot to me: ... and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free! John 8:32. Truly, a person without faith is just as lost. They become a slave to a corrupt and twisted world that relentlessly crushes and wounds the inner child we all carry inside. Thanks for listening. 😉

You're on the right track. It’s actually pretty refreshing to read someone who stays true to themselves—someone who isn't willing to bend or compromise just because society tries to force it on them. If you feel something is wrong, stick to your guns. Just keep typing; eventually, the doors will open.
Susan Price30 Susan Price30 Regular
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#38 ·
wearyrider16 said:🙂 It feels like we’re constantly being fed nothing but lies. Whether it’s the news, politicians, religious leaders, or even just some shady boss at work, everyone seems to be playing a game. I’m reaching out to those of you who feel just as disillusioned and out of place in this mess as I do. I want to share what I’ve learned and why things have become so broken. I’m just passing along the truth I heard from people who actually live with humility and integrity—that’s really what keeps me going in this fleeting, hollow life. I just hope at least one person out there gets where I'm coming from. 🙂 ...I can't just keep these truths to myself. That would be selfish, plain and simple. Pozy. 😉

Messiah complex! 😍
coastalskipper92 coastalskipper92 Active Member
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#39 ·
Susan Price30 said:Messiah complex! 😍

truth in a world full of lies
😍

dustyraven26 said:People often claim they are free simply because they have options, yet they simultaneously strive for a sense of spontaneity where those very choices vanish. 😕
I maintain that:
True freedom is spontaneous action without the need for choice, rooted in a direct realization of the situation, here and now.

Lest it seems I am drifting from the core subject:
Deception relies on choice—specifically, the choice of how we wish to present ourselves to ourselves and the world. In spontaneity, there is no room for lies.

wow... mind-blowing.

But perhaps one could expand on this slightly...? Specifically, that first sentence:
"Yes, people frequently claim they are free because they have choices,
yet simultaneously they crave a spontaneity where no choice exists."
=in spontaneity, there are still choices.

Hmm... though, perhaps it is better not to dwell on it too deeply. ☕
dustyraven26 dustyraven26 Active Member
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#40 ·
coastalskipper92 said:truth in a world full of lies
😍

wow... mind-blowing.

But perhaps one could expand on this slightly...? Specifically, that first sentence:
"Yes, people frequently claim they are free because they have choices,
yet simultaneously they crave a spontaneity where no choice exists."
=in spontaneity, there are still choices.

Hmm... though, perhaps it is better not to dwell on it too deeply. ☕

I concur; overthinking and spontaneity are rarely compatible pursuits☕

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