The truth in a world full of lies!!!

Sandra Morgan2 said:I wouldn't call that free will. It’s an illusion. While you think you're making a choice, you don't actually have any options—you're just following the one single path that already exists in the future.

But look, if the future is just sitting there right in front of us and we're simply blind to it, that still doesn't explain one thing: why hasn't a single person who claims to see the future ever been 100% spot on?

Maybe those pundits on the news channels aren't actually seeing what's coming. Those who truly see the future might realize that the course is already set—unalterable—so they just stay quiet. Maybe... just maybe. Honestly? It’s better to just say I don't know.

There’s definitely a certain dynamic at play here.There’s this inherent slice of uncertainty baked into the future—a variable that can actually shift the entire causal model of what's to come. To me, that’s exactly where free will steps in. It’s the catalyst for change. If everything stays exactly on its current trajectory, then yeah, we already know how the story ends. But if we don't...? That's where things get interesting.

What kind of dynamics are we talking about? Is it this one right here?

Look, humans aren't necessarily the sole architects of what's coming next. If there’s a food chain positioned above us, then there are certainly forces out there working to dictate our destiny—just like we decide the fate of animals on this planet. But on the flip side, humanity isn't alone. We have our own allies fighting to ensure we actually fulfill the rights God gave us.

Maybe so, maybe not... Once again, neither you nor I have any way of knowing if that's actually the case.

Here’s where we differ: what you just said in that last point. I don’t view enlightenment as some sudden, overnight leap—as if you weren't enlightened at all, and then *poof*, suddenly you are. No. It’s a process. A journey. Sure, there might be one final breakthrough at the very end when everything finally clicks open, but the results start manifesting long before that jump happens. They grow steadily as a person moves toward that ultimate state. If my perspective holds water, it means people like you or me can actually become—just a little bit—enlightened. And that implies we possess a tiny bit of free will, too.

It seems like most people have absolutely nothing of this. However, I’m starting to see a few individuals beginning to open up—people who aren't just mindless automatons, but actually possess a tiny spark of their true selves within their personalities.

Following up on what I told you—that personality itself isn't even a real thing—I’m just reiterating: if something doesn't exist, it can't possibly have free will or any kind of agency.

Yet, we still sense this capacity for will—not even calling it an illusion of free will, but a genuine force we can cultivate, strengthen, or simply ignore. We feel that power of choice deep down. Could it be that our will is fundamentally divine in origin, just like the love we carry within us? If so, wouldn't it be right to call it "our" will, even if it isn't strictly tied to our individual personality?

Beyond that, we see certain individuals who possess an incredible willpower—people who act like locomotives, pulling everyone else along behind them and achieving their goals with almost supernatural precision. Are these people necessarily more spiritually advanced, or is it just good karma at work? Do you find that spiritually evolved people tend to have this kind of intense will? And if they do, how does that strength actually manifest itself?

Sandra Morgan2 said:I wouldn't call that free will. It’s an illusion. While you think you're making a choice, you don't actually have any options—you're just following the one single path that already exists in the future.

But look, if the future is just sitting there right in front of us and we're simply blind to it, that still doesn't explain one thing: why hasn't a single person who claims to see the future ever been 100% spot on?

Maybe those pundits on the news channels aren't actually seeing what's coming. Those who truly see the future might realize that the course is already set—unalterable—so they just stay quiet. Maybe... just maybe. Honestly? It’s better to just say I don't know.

There’s definitely a certain dynamic at play here.There’s this inherent slice of uncertainty baked into the future—a variable that can actually shift the entire causal model of what's to come. To me, that’s exactly where free will steps in. It’s the catalyst for change. If everything stays exactly on its current trajectory, then yeah, we already know how the story ends. But if we don't...? That's where things get interesting.

What kind of dynamics are we talking about? Is it this one right here?

Look, humans aren't necessarily the sole architects of what's coming next. If there’s a food chain positioned above us, then there are certainly forces out there working to dictate our destiny—just like we decide the fate of animals on this planet. But on the flip side, humanity isn't alone. We have our own allies fighting to ensure we actually fulfill the rights God gave us.

Maybe so, maybe not... Once again, neither you nor I have any way of knowing if that's actually the case.

Here’s where we differ: what you just said in that last point. I don’t view enlightenment as some sudden, overnight leap—as if you weren't enlightened at all, and then *poof*, suddenly you are. No. It’s a process. A journey. Sure, there might be one final breakthrough at the very end when everything finally clicks open, but the results start manifesting long before that jump happens. They grow steadily as a person moves toward that ultimate state. If my perspective holds water, it means people like you or me can actually become—just a little bit—enlightened. And that implies we possess a tiny bit of free will, too.

It seems like most people have absolutely nothing of this. However, I’m starting to see a few individuals beginning to open up—people who aren't just mindless automatons, but actually possess a tiny spark of their true selves within their personalities.

Following up on what I told you—that personality itself isn't even a real thing—I’m just reiterating: if something doesn't exist, it can't possibly have free will or any kind of agency.

Yet, we still sense this capacity for will—not even calling it an illusion of free will, but a genuine force we can cultivate, strengthen, or simply ignore. We feel that power of choice deep down. Could it be that our will is fundamentally divine in origin, just like the love we carry within us? If so, wouldn't it be right to call it "our" will, even if it isn't strictly tied to our individual personality?

Beyond that, we see certain individuals who possess an incredible willpower—people who act like locomotives, pulling everyone else along behind them and achieving their goals with almost supernatural precision. Are these people necessarily more spiritually advanced, or is it just good karma at work? Do you find that spiritually evolved people tend to have this kind of intense will? And if they do, how does that strength actually manifest itself?

Sandra Morgan2 said:I wouldn't call that free will. It’s an illusion. While you think you're making a choice, you don't actually have any options—you're just following the one single path that already exists in the future.

But look, if the future is just sitting there right in front of us and we're simply blind to it, that still doesn't explain one thing: why hasn't a single person who claims to see the future ever been 100% spot on?

Maybe those pundits on the news channels aren't actually seeing what's coming. Those who truly see the future might realize that the course is already set—unalterable—so they just stay quiet. Maybe... just maybe. Honestly? It’s better to just say I don't know.

There’s definitely a certain dynamic at play here.There’s this inherent slice of uncertainty baked into the future—a variable that can actually shift the entire causal model of what's to come. To me, that’s exactly where free will steps in. It’s the catalyst for change. If everything stays exactly on its current trajectory, then yeah, we already know how the story ends. But if we don't...? That's where things get interesting.

What kind of dynamics are we talking about? Is it this one right here?

Look, humans aren't necessarily the sole architects of what's coming next. If there’s a food chain positioned above us, then there are certainly forces out there working to dictate our destiny—just like we decide the fate of animals on this planet. But on the flip side, humanity isn't alone. We have our own allies fighting to ensure we actually fulfill the rights God gave us.

Maybe so, maybe not... Once again, neither you nor I have any way of knowing if that's actually the case.

Here’s where we differ: what you just said in that last point. I don’t view enlightenment as some sudden, overnight leap—as if you weren't enlightened at all, and then *poof*, suddenly you are. No. It’s a process. A journey. Sure, there might be one final breakthrough at the very end when everything finally clicks open, but the results start manifesting long before that jump happens. They grow steadily as a person moves toward that ultimate state. If my perspective holds water, it means people like you or me can actually become—just a little bit—enlightened. And that implies we possess a tiny bit of free will, too.

It seems like most people have absolutely nothing of this. However, I’m starting to see a few individuals beginning to open up—people who aren't just mindless automatons, but actually possess a tiny spark of their true selves within their personalities.

Following up on what I told you—that personality itself isn't even a real thing—I’m just reiterating: if something doesn't exist, it can't possibly have free will or any kind of agency.

Yet, we still sense this capacity for will—not even calling it an illusion of free will, but a genuine force we can cultivate, strengthen, or simply ignore. We feel that power of choice deep down. Could it be that our will is fundamentally divine in origin, just like the love we carry within us? If so, wouldn't it be right to call it "our" will, even if it isn't strictly tied to our individual personality?

Beyond that, we see certain individuals who possess an incredible willpower—people who act like locomotives, pulling everyone else along behind them and achieving their goals with almost supernatural precision. Are these people necessarily more spiritually advanced, or is it just good karma at work? Do you find that spiritually evolved people tend to have this kind of intense will? And if they do, how does that strength actually manifest itself?

Sandra Morgan2 said:I wouldn't call that free will. It’s an illusion. While you think you're making a choice, you don't actually have any options—you're just following the one single path that already exists in the future.

But look, if the future is just sitting there right in front of us and we're simply blind to it, that still doesn't explain one thing: why hasn't a single person who claims to see the future ever been 100% spot on?

Maybe those pundits on the news channels aren't actually seeing what's coming. Those who truly see the future might realize that the course is already set—unalterable—so they just stay quiet. Maybe... just maybe. Honestly? It’s better to just say I don't know.

There’s definitely a certain dynamic at play here.There’s this inherent slice of uncertainty baked into the future—a variable that can actually shift the entire causal model of what's to come. To me, that’s exactly where free will steps in. It’s the catalyst for change. If everything stays exactly on its current trajectory, then yeah, we already know how the story ends. But if we don't...? That's where things get interesting.

What kind of dynamics are we talking about? Is it this one right here?

Look, humans aren't necessarily the sole architects of what's coming next. If there’s a food chain positioned above us, then there are certainly forces out there working to dictate our destiny—just like we decide the fate of animals on this planet. But on the flip side, humanity isn't alone. We have our own allies fighting to ensure we actually fulfill the rights God gave us.

Maybe so, maybe not... Once again, neither you nor I have any way of knowing if that's actually the case.

Here’s where we differ: what you just said in that last point. I don’t view enlightenment as some sudden, overnight leap—as if you weren't enlightened at all, and then *poof*, suddenly you are. No. It’s a process. A journey. Sure, there might be one final breakthrough at the very end when everything finally clicks open, but the results start manifesting long before that jump happens. They grow steadily as a person moves toward that ultimate state. If my perspective holds water, it means people like you or me can actually become—just a little bit—enlightened. And that implies we possess a tiny bit of free will, too.

It seems like most people have absolutely nothing of this. However, I’m starting to see a few individuals beginning to open up—people who aren't just mindless automatons, but actually possess a tiny spark of their true selves within their personalities.

Following up on what I told you—that personality itself isn't even a real thing—I’m just reiterating: if something doesn't exist, it can't possibly have free will or any kind of agency.

Yet, we still sense this capacity for will—not even calling it an illusion of free will, but a genuine force we can cultivate, strengthen, or simply ignore. We feel that power of choice deep down. Could it be that our will is fundamentally divine in origin, just like the love we carry within us? If so, wouldn't it be right to call it "our" will, even if it isn't strictly tied to our individual personality?

Beyond that, we see certain individuals who possess an incredible willpower—people who act like locomotives, pulling everyone else along behind them and achieving their goals with almost supernatural precision. Are these people necessarily more spiritually advanced, or is it just good karma at work? Do you find that spiritually evolved people tend to have this kind of intense will? And if they do, how does that strength actually manifest itself?

Sandra Morgan2 said:I wouldn't call that free will. It’s an illusion. While you think you're making a choice, you don't actually have any options—you're just following the one single path that already exists in the future.

But look, if the future is just sitting there right in front of us and we're simply blind to it, that still doesn't explain one thing: why hasn't a single person who claims to see the future ever been 100% spot on?

Maybe those pundits on the news channels aren't actually seeing what's coming. Those who truly see the future might realize that the course is already set—unalterable—so they just stay quiet. Maybe... just maybe. Honestly? It’s better to just say I don't know.

There’s definitely a certain dynamic at play here.There’s this inherent slice of uncertainty baked into the future—a variable that can actually shift the entire causal model of what's to come. To me, that’s exactly where free will steps in. It’s the catalyst for change. If everything stays exactly on its current trajectory, then yeah, we already know how the story ends. But if we don't...? That's where things get interesting.

What kind of dynamics are we talking about? Is it this one right here?

Look, humans aren't necessarily the sole architects of what's coming next. If there’s a food chain positioned above us, then there are certainly forces out there working to dictate our destiny—just like we decide the fate of animals on this planet. But on the flip side, humanity isn't alone. We have our own allies fighting to ensure we actually fulfill the rights God gave us.

Maybe so, maybe not... Once again, neither you nor I have any way of knowing if that's actually the case.

Here’s where we differ: what you just said in that last point. I don’t view enlightenment as some sudden, overnight leap—as if you weren't enlightened at all, and then *poof*, suddenly you are. No. It’s a process. A journey. Sure, there might be one final breakthrough at the very end when everything finally clicks open, but the results start manifesting long before that jump happens. They grow steadily as a person moves toward that ultimate state. If my perspective holds water, it means people like you or me can actually become—just a little bit—enlightened. And that implies we possess a tiny bit of free will, too.

It seems like most people have absolutely nothing of this. However, I’m starting to see a few individuals beginning to open up—people who aren't just mindless automatons, but actually possess a tiny spark of their true selves within their personalities.

Following up on what I told you—that personality itself isn't even a real thing—I’m just reiterating: if something doesn't exist, it can't possibly have free will or any kind of agency.

Yet, we still sense this capacity for will—not even calling it an illusion of free will, but a genuine force we can cultivate, strengthen, or simply ignore. We feel that power of choice deep down. Could it be that our will is fundamentally divine in origin, just like the love we carry within us? If so, wouldn't it be right to call it "our" will, even if it isn't strictly tied to our individual personality?

Beyond that, we see certain individuals who possess an incredible willpower—people who act like locomotives, pulling everyone else along behind them and achieving their goals with almost supernatural precision. Are these people necessarily more spiritually advanced, or is it just good karma at work? Do you find that spiritually evolved people tend to have this kind of intense will? And if they do, how does that strength actually manifest itself?

Sandra Morgan2 said:I wouldn't call that free will. It’s an illusion. While you think you're making a choice, you don't actually have any options—you're just following the one single path that already exists in the future.

But look, if the future is just sitting there right in front of us and we're simply blind to it, that still doesn't explain one thing: why hasn't a single person who claims to see the future ever been 100% spot on?

Maybe those pundits on the news channels aren't actually seeing what's coming. Those who truly see the future might realize that the course is already set—unalterable—so they just stay quiet. Maybe... just maybe. Honestly? It’s better to just say I don't know.

There’s definitely a certain dynamic at play here.There’s this inherent slice of uncertainty baked into the future—a variable that can actually shift the entire causal model of what's to come. To me, that’s exactly where free will steps in. It’s the catalyst for change. If everything stays exactly on its current trajectory, then yeah, we already know how the story ends. But if we don't...? That's where things get interesting.

What kind of dynamics are we talking about? Is it this one right here?

Look, humans aren't necessarily the sole architects of what's coming next. If there’s a food chain positioned above us, then there are certainly forces out there working to dictate our destiny—just like we decide the fate of animals on this planet. But on the flip side, humanity isn't alone. We have our own allies fighting to ensure we actually fulfill the rights God gave us.

Maybe so, maybe not... Once again, neither you nor I have any way of knowing if that's actually the case.

Here’s where we differ: what you just said in that last point. I don’t view enlightenment as some sudden, overnight leap—as if you weren't enlightened at all, and then *poof*, suddenly you are. No. It’s a process. A journey. Sure, there might be one final breakthrough at the very end when everything finally clicks open, but the results start manifesting long before that jump happens. They grow steadily as a person moves toward that ultimate state. If my perspective holds water, it means people like you or me can actually become—just a little bit—enlightened. And that implies we possess a tiny bit of free will, too.

It seems like most people have absolutely nothing of this. However, I’m starting to see a few individuals beginning to open up—people who aren't just mindless automatons, but actually possess a tiny spark of their true selves within their personalities.

Following up on what I told you—that personality itself isn't even a real thing—I’m just reiterating: if something doesn't exist, it can't possibly have free will or any kind of agency.

Yet, we still sense this capacity for will—not even calling it an illusion of free will, but a genuine force we can cultivate, strengthen, or simply ignore. We feel that power of choice deep down. Could it be that our will is fundamentally divine in origin, just like the love we carry within us? If so, wouldn't it be right to call it "our" will, even if it isn't strictly tied to our individual personality?

Beyond that, we see certain individuals who possess an incredible willpower—people who act like locomotives, pulling everyone else along behind them and achieving their goals with almost supernatural precision. Are these people necessarily more spiritually advanced, or is it just good karma at work? Do you find that spiritually evolved people tend to have this kind of intense will? And if they do, how does that strength actually manifest itself?

wearyrider16 said: 🤷 Can someone help me understand? ...why all this heavy philosophizing if everything is already laid out for us. Why bother acting smart or making up some personal version of "truth" when the truth is right there in front of us. It was revealed through someone who provided perfect wisdom and teachings that are easy to grasp—but only for those with an honest heart. For a heart like that, the truth just sticks! 🙂 ?? All we have to do is accept it and embrace it!!! Honestly, one wise and perfect man, even though he was rejected by many, once said: I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the father except through me (Jesus Christ). Why is that so hard to swallow?? Who does it bother so much, and what part is unclear that everyone feels entitled to invent their own version of a shared truth??? Maybe it's just to impress others with how much they know?? Or maybe people are just disappointed in those meant to carry the message??? Or what?? Truth can only be one thing. It’s simple. You don't need a PhD to find it!!! Without truth, there is no real path, and without the right path, there is no life!!! 😉 Btw, I'm not claiming these words as my own. I realized this while studying the life of Jesus Christ!! 🙂 + On our own, with our limited abilities, we can't truly know God or the truth about ourselves. We need humility, heart, and the spirit of wisdom that God provides!!! 🙂 Your forum friend wearyrider16!!! 👍

wearyowl29 said:That's great for you👍 but honestly? You've just embraced one specific version of "truth" because it happens to fit your own personal criteria perfectly. It’s easy when things align! But others don't see it that way. They don't have that ready-made humble heart to just accept an answer; instead, they're out there searching, clawing through life with nothing but their bare teeth...

mellowangler59 said:Spirit directs spirit, the psyche, and the mind. Matter just moves matter.
The problem with matter is that it pushes us toward sin. That's why after death, the souls of those who lived wickedly either rise to heaven or find themselves reincarnated back into a physical body.
Once we pass away, you either become an eternal spirit in heaven or you're reborn into a new body through reincarnation. Deep down, all matter carries this primal seed of evil, which is why temptation and sin exist in the first place.
A person truly breaks free from sin only when they die and release their spirit from the bondage of the flesh.
The Almighty God of Good decides whether that spirit will be reborn into a body or ascend to become an eternal spirit in heaven.

Sandra Morgan2 said:@wearyrider16, if I didn't feel like I was reading someone so fragile—someone covered in fears and old wounds—I might say something much sharper. Honestly, seeing groups like the Jehovah's Witnesses makes me want to shake things up a bit. Despite all those smiles and the "sending love and kisses" routine (which feels like a performance where you play the good little soul waiting to be saved), maybe a little anger or some cursing would be more honest. But I won't provoke you; I don't want to jeopardize your spot in that perfect world where the lamb and the lion graze together on the same ice floe...

I get it. Because of your sensitive nature, you feel this deep need to cling to the skirts of some supreme heavenly authority. You think you need to be embraced by Him along with those 144,000 meek souls while the world falls apart, and you feel compelled to spread the Good News just to earn your place. But you're on the wrong forum. This space is for the free spirits—the independent travelers, the skeptics, the outcasts from organized Religion who rely solely on their own feet, their own heads, and their own hearts. Go to the Religion subforum; that's where the rest of your flock hangs out... 🙂

dustyskipper3 said:Peace and Love brother. 😍

OT: When the barking stops, the silence begins. Dogs bark, but the caravans just keep rolling.

I was always taught that the actual truth reveals itself through palindromes (see, for example, D. Oraić-Tolić’s work on the Palindromic Apocalypse). If you apply that logic to the concept of truth, we get:

Truth - a thread

From this, I suppose we can conclude that a person seeking the truth—viewing it as a mere thread—can only truly grasp it through a long series of shifting perspectives, much like the various discussion threads we have here on this forum. I guess even Z. Tomac searched for the red thread, only to find a black one, yet neither held any real truth. 😳 Truth isn't some rigid ideology; it is a sequence, a chain, a thread... perhaps the closest anyone came was Heraclitus, who famously said everything flows and you can't step into the same river twice, though he still didn't quite explain where the river comes from or where it's actually headed. ☕

wearyrider16 said:Hey there, Doc. Glad I managed to shake you up a little, though it looks like it wasn't enough. Still, you're being pretty observant and kind toward me, which is a rare thing to see these days. So, sending you some 🙂 again. I know it's hard to let go sometimes—to stop relying on your own pride, ego, or that "earthly wisdom." It's just human nature! I used to be stuck in that exact same trap, thinking my own conclusions and achievements were everything. Meanwhile, inside, I felt totally empty and hollow. Just an amateur in a room full of experts. But hey, let time do its thing. It's just human nature to attack what we don't understand or what scares us. 🙂 ... those who know, know. Adios! 😉

Still, you’re observant and kind toward me, which is such a rarity these days. So, sending some love back your way. 🙂 I know how hard it is to let go—to surrender your pride, your ego, and that superficial wisdom. It’s just human nature! I get it. Until yesterday, I was a prisoner of my own conclusions and achievements too.

And in my heart and soul? I am so, so empty, sad, and incomplete. A total ignoramus in a world of educated people!!!

Well, fine, let time take its course!!! ... It's just human nature to attack what we don't understand, everything we're afraid of!!! 🙂 ... whoever has the sense to see it, will see it!!!! Adios! 😉

Sandra Morgan2 said:@Paul Jones7

I honestly don't have an answer to whether someone with a slightly expanded consciousness possesses any semblance of free will. Personally? I don't think so. Just as I believe my entire will is my own—that it's driven by my source, that *I am* the source—while the ego, which I call Sandra Morgan2, just takes all the credit for "doership."

It’s the exact same thing that pumps my blood, beats my heart, filters water through my kidneys, and allows me to see, hear, move my hands, digest food, grant me memory and forgetfulness, analyzes via intellect, whispers through intuition, loves through the heart, and maintains billions of bodily functions simultaneously without any input from me. That same force drives my impulses of will. It is free within me; it isn't Sandra Morgan2.

You see it differently, and that’s totally fine! Anyone who is truly, deeply interested in these questions—not just as intellectual navel-gazing—needs to investigate the truth for themselves to the very end...

When I say "investigate," I don't mean reading texts or studying what others have to say; that’s just step one. In this context, investigation means witnessing, observing, and maintaining a neutral, quiet observation of everything happening within the space of consciousness. My insight is that we aren't the content of consciousness, but rather the "space" itself... All my conclusions stem from that. You might find something else entirely through your own investigation... 🙂

So, here I am looking at myself: no matter how hard I try with my "free will" to end this discussion, I just can't seem to do it. I'll have to put in some extra effort 😳 and just stop... 🙂

Actually, I think I just did it... so, bye! See you in another thread... 🙂

Sandra Morgan2 said:@Paul Jones7

I honestly don't have an answer to whether someone with a slightly expanded consciousness possesses any semblance of free will. Personally? I don't think so. Just as I believe my entire will is my own—that it's driven by my source, that *I am* the source—while the ego, which I call Sandra Morgan2, just takes all the credit for "doership."

It’s the exact same thing that pumps my blood, beats my heart, filters water through my kidneys, and allows me to see, hear, move my hands, digest food, grant me memory and forgetfulness, analyzes via intellect, whispers through intuition, loves through the heart, and maintains billions of bodily functions simultaneously without any input from me. That same force drives my impulses of will. It is free within me; it isn't Sandra Morgan2.

You see it differently, and that’s totally fine! Anyone who is truly, deeply interested in these questions—not just as intellectual navel-gazing—needs to investigate the truth for themselves to the very end...

When I say "investigate," I don't mean reading texts or studying what others have to say; that’s just step one. In this context, investigation means witnessing, observing, and maintaining a neutral, quiet observation of everything happening within the space of consciousness. My insight is that we aren't the content of consciousness, but rather the "space" itself... All my conclusions stem from that. You might find something else entirely through your own investigation... 🙂

So, here I am looking at myself: no matter how hard I try with my "free will" to end this discussion, I just can't seem to do it. I'll have to put in some extra effort 😳 and just stop... 🙂

Actually, I think I just did it... so, bye! See you in another thread... 🙂

Sandra Morgan2 said:@Paul Jones7

I honestly don't have an answer to whether someone with a slightly expanded consciousness possesses any semblance of free will. Personally? I don't think so. Just as I believe my entire will is my own—that it's driven by my source, that *I am* the source—while the ego, which I call Sandra Morgan2, just takes all the credit for "doership."

It’s the exact same thing that pumps my blood, beats my heart, filters water through my kidneys, and allows me to see, hear, move my hands, digest food, grant me memory and forgetfulness, analyzes via intellect, whispers through intuition, loves through the heart, and maintains billions of bodily functions simultaneously without any input from me. That same force drives my impulses of will. It is free within me; it isn't Sandra Morgan2.

You see it differently, and that’s totally fine! Anyone who is truly, deeply interested in these questions—not just as intellectual navel-gazing—needs to investigate the truth for themselves to the very end...

When I say "investigate," I don't mean reading texts or studying what others have to say; that’s just step one. In this context, investigation means witnessing, observing, and maintaining a neutral, quiet observation of everything happening within the space of consciousness. My insight is that we aren't the content of consciousness, but rather the "space" itself... All my conclusions stem from that. You might find something else entirely through your own investigation... 🙂

So, here I am looking at myself: no matter how hard I try with my "free will" to end this discussion, I just can't seem to do it. I'll have to put in some extra effort 😳 and just stop... 🙂

Actually, I think I just did it... so, bye! See you in another thread... 🙂

Sandra Morgan2 said:@Paul Jones7

I honestly don't have an answer to whether someone with a slightly expanded consciousness possesses any semblance of free will. Personally? I don't think so. Just as I believe my entire will is my own—that it's driven by my source, that *I am* the source—while the ego, which I call Sandra Morgan2, just takes all the credit for "doership."

It’s the exact same thing that pumps my blood, beats my heart, filters water through my kidneys, and allows me to see, hear, move my hands, digest food, grant me memory and forgetfulness, analyzes via intellect, whispers through intuition, loves through the heart, and maintains billions of bodily functions simultaneously without any input from me. That same force drives my impulses of will. It is free within me; it isn't Sandra Morgan2.

You see it differently, and that’s totally fine! Anyone who is truly, deeply interested in these questions—not just as intellectual navel-gazing—needs to investigate the truth for themselves to the very end...

When I say "investigate," I don't mean reading texts or studying what others have to say; that’s just step one. In this context, investigation means witnessing, observing, and maintaining a neutral, quiet observation of everything happening within the space of consciousness. My insight is that we aren't the content of consciousness, but rather the "space" itself... All my conclusions stem from that. You might find something else entirely through your own investigation... 🙂

So, here I am looking at myself: no matter how hard I try with my "free will" to end this discussion, I just can't seem to do it. I'll have to put in some extra effort 😳 and just stop... 🙂

Actually, I think I just did it... so, bye! See you in another thread... 🙂

Sandra Morgan2 said:@Paul Jones7

I honestly don't have an answer to whether someone with a slightly expanded consciousness possesses any semblance of free will. Personally? I don't think so. Just as I believe my entire will is my own—that it's driven by my source, that *I am* the source—while the ego, which I call Sandra Morgan2, just takes all the credit for "doership."

It’s the exact same thing that pumps my blood, beats my heart, filters water through my kidneys, and allows me to see, hear, move my hands, digest food, grant me memory and forgetfulness, analyzes via intellect, whispers through intuition, loves through the heart, and maintains billions of bodily functions simultaneously without any input from me. That same force drives my impulses of will. It is free within me; it isn't Sandra Morgan2.

You see it differently, and that’s totally fine! Anyone who is truly, deeply interested in these questions—not just as intellectual navel-gazing—needs to investigate the truth for themselves to the very end...

When I say "investigate," I don't mean reading texts or studying what others have to say; that’s just step one. In this context, investigation means witnessing, observing, and maintaining a neutral, quiet observation of everything happening within the space of consciousness. My insight is that we aren't the content of consciousness, but rather the "space" itself... All my conclusions stem from that. You might find something else entirely through your own investigation... 🙂

So, here I am looking at myself: no matter how hard I try with my "free will" to end this discussion, I just can't seem to do it. I'll have to put in some extra effort 😳 and just stop... 🙂

Actually, I think I just did it... so, bye! See you in another thread... 🙂

Sandra Morgan2 said:wearyrider16, you didn't even touch me. I was only active on this thread because I was debating with Paul Jones7.

Still, you’re observant and kind toward me, which is such a rarity these days. So, sending some love back your way. 🙂 I know how hard it is to let go—to surrender your pride, your ego, and that superficial wisdom. It’s just human nature! I get it. Until yesterday, I was a prisoner of my own conclusions and achievements too.

But right now, honey, you're a prisoner of the bible and its prophecies.

And in my heart and soul? I am so, so empty, sad, and incomplete. A total ignoramus in a world of educated people!!!

And so you are sad, empty, and incomplete. You still don't get it. Stop lying to yourself.

Well, fine, let time take its course!!! ... It's just human nature to attack what we don't understand, everything we're afraid of!!! 🙂 ... whoever has the sense to see it, will see it!!!! Adios! 😉

Look, sweetie, you've got issues with the world and with yourself. You're sensitive, gentle, and wounded, but there is love and softness inside you. Ditch the bible, or at least ditch those Jehovah's Witnesses, and follow your heart. Otherwise, you're going to lose it. There—that's my "diagnosis, prognosis, and cure" from the doctor. 🙂

Adios to you, too.... 🙂

wearyrider16 said:All this attacking is just what happens when people don't know any better! We don't even know each other, yet you're jumping to these conclusions!!! It really shows where your spirituality is at and how much prejudice you have—it's typical for people who claim to only follow their hearts. Honestly, in a civilized society, we'd call this being rude and uncultured. But I guess that's just become the norm these days, unfortunately. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-T61s1_5RM enjoy.

wearyrider16 said:Man, why all the anger? I've grown used to criticism, attacks, and people mocking or belittling me. That's just my daily life. It would actually surprise me if things were any different. Everything is easier when there's a purpose behind it. 😉 thanks for being real! 👍

wearyrider16 said:...Oh, one more thing—I just couldn't resist sharing this beautiful thought with you all. You see, looking at those of us who have been called, there aren't many people who would be considered "wise" by the world's standards, or powerful, or from high-society backgrounds. Instead, what the world calls foolish, God chose to use to shame the wise; and what the world sees as weak, God uses to shame the strong. 1 Corinthians 1:26,27. This really hits home for me!!! Goodnight, everyone! :kiss :

wearyrider16 said:🙂 It feels like we’re constantly being fed nothing but lies. Whether it’s the news, politicians, religious leaders, or even just some shady boss at work, everyone seems to be playing a game. I’m reaching out to those of you who feel just as disillusioned and out of place in this mess as I do. I want to share what I’ve learned and why things have become so broken. I’m just passing along the truth I heard from people who actually live with humility and integrity—that’s really what keeps me going in this fleeting, hollow life. I just hope at least one person out there gets where I'm coming from. 🙂 ...I can't just keep these truths to myself. That would be selfish, plain and simple. Pozy. 😉

boldsailor32 said:wearyrider16, I don't think this subforum is really the right arena for your martyr-style missionary work.

In your intro post, you address

But there are very few people here who feel deceived or disillusioned, and even fewer who struggle to fit into this dysfunctional society...

On the spirituality subforum, the hunting grounds are usually filled with well-adjusted wolves who do not appreciate anyone telling them they are actually deceived or disillusioned sheep...

You will find those sheep over on the Religion subforum. They are organized into all sorts of flocks there, including those "sincere, deceived, and disillusioned individuals who struggle to fit into this broken society"...

Sandra Morgan2 said:I'm sorry, wearyrider16... I really am. It isn't my place to judge your spiritual path, or anyone else's for that matter.
Your journey is strictly between you and God—nobody else has any right to step in.
I messed up, and I'm sorry. ....🙂

wearyrider16 said:Well said. I am glad you joined this discussion. I agree with you. But there is one major issue. I simply cannot find the time to actually live life. I can't enjoy time with my wife, work, or spend my days how I want. Obligations surround me on all sides. I have to work just to survive, and everything else has to be sacrificed to that. At work, I will say it again: I deal with people who have eyes but cannot see—adults who are spiritually handicapped. It is exhausting. They fill your head with nonsense about office politics and sabotage. Whether I like it or not, I am forced to waste my time on shallow things, all for the sake of earning enough money to stay afloat. Life is incredibly stressful. Sometimes I feel like I might just snap from it all! Every single day is a struggle for survival among wolves. That truly saddens me. 👎

wearyrider16 said:

... here's a little something to leave you with—most people just don't want to accept that we're all ultimately facing mortality. Once you realize that, the petty arguments just seem to melt away!! 👍 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_ALElMLpRA

wearyrider16 said:It’s all relative, isn't it? Who are we to judge who’s actually lost it and who hasn't? 😂 Honestly, maybe I'm already a little crazy myself! Or maybe you are too!!! That’s not even the real issue here—there are much bigger things on my mind. But hey, let the small-town gossip fly... thanks for listening! Goodnight!!

boldsailor32 said:Since you have decided to embrace relativism, you should at least be consistent. Don't say, "...I am writing this because I cannot keep such important truths to myself." Instead, say, "...I am writing this because I cannot keep my own insights, which I believe to be true, to myself."

Following the logic of your previous comments, who among us is qualified to decide whose insight is true and whose is not?

You?

wearyrider16 said:Like I said before, I'm not making this up as I go. Everything I argue is based on the Bible, which most people just dismiss because they find it too complicated to wrap their heads around. Honestly, I've realized there's no point talking to people who don't have pure intentions or an open heart to receive truth from God!! Bye!!!!!!!!

wearyrider16 said:Like I said before, I'm not making this up as I go. Everything I argue is based on the Bible, which most people just dismiss because they find it too complicated to wrap their heads around. Honestly, I've realized there's no point talking to people who don't have pure intentions or an open heart to receive truth from God!! Bye!!!!!!!!

placidridge56 said:The Bible has been so heavily distorted by church fathers over the centuries that you can't even call its content reliable anymore. What you’re calling "sincere motives" is actually just you doubling down on your own lies and blindness. If you truly believe you're receiving "truth from God" while everyone else is wrong simply because they don't share your specific prejudices, then all I can say is: enjoy your stay in your own private asylum.