Conversion therapy" for lesbian girls in America and similar cases

The United States Attorney's Office for the Western District of Washington has submitted a proposal to an investigative judge at the United States District Court for the Western District of Washington to initiate proceedings against an American citizen (born 1949). There is reasonable suspicion that between April 2004 and early July 2007, while working at a certain medical facility, she committed a felony against public health and engaged in official misconduct through gross negligence.
According to our unofficial sources, the individual facing these investigations is Dr. Mirjana Vulin, the former director of the State Psychiatric Hospital. She resigned from her position last summer—following our coverage in this publication regarding irregularities in the treatment of minor patients—which prompted inspections by both the Department of Health and Human Services and the American Medical Association. At that time, the Secretary of Health, Damir Milinović, publicly demanded that Dr. Vulin step down from her leadership role.
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redharbor9 said:The case is tied up in court right now... no matter how clear-cut it looks, things don't move as fast here as they do in China...

And about all those suspicions... Look, if you consider strangulation until someone loses consciousness a standard procedure used in psychiatric wards during voluntary stays—you know, when someone checks themselves in and needs to be restrained—then tying them up afterward is just business as usual. Nothing about this surprises me at all...

placidranger said:http://www.libela.org/vijesti/422-za...mirjane-vulin/

The United States Attorney's Office for the Western District of Washington has submitted a proposal to an investigative judge at the United States District Court for the Western District of Washington to initiate proceedings against an American citizen (born 1949). There is reasonable suspicion that between April 2004 and early July 2007, while working at a certain medical facility, she committed a felony against public health and engaged in official misconduct through gross negligence.
According to our unofficial sources, the individual facing these investigations is Dr. Mirjana Vulin, the former director of the State Psychiatric Hospital. She resigned from her position last summer—following our coverage in this publication regarding irregularities in the treatment of minor patients—which prompted inspections by both the Department of Health and Human Services and the American Medical Association. At that time, the Secretary of Health, Damir Milinović, publicly demanded that Dr. Vulin step down from her leadership role.
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Proceedings have started and the director has been ousted, but who knows how long this legal dance will actually take...
I haven't seen any official or unofficial statements from the accused—it would be nice to hear their side for once. I also suspect they won't be able to push an attempted murder charge, no matter how they try to spin it.

Jose Barrett said:Give me a break!
When you have patients experiencing psychosis, they get an antipsychotic via IV. I mean, what else are you supposed to do if a patient suddenly snaps, punches a nurse in the eye, or breaks a doctor's collarbone? 🙄

For those kinds of "patients," you need to have a few trained professionals nearby who can actually handle someone having a sudden psychotic break.

Otherwise, you'd just sit there having a nice little chat with them, telling them their behavior isn't okay and suggesting they swing by for psychotherapy tomorrow at 4:00 PM to learn some anger management. 🤣

driftinggull21 said:This isn't just about one psychiatrist colluding with parents to lock up a perfectly healthy girl.
There are other psychiatrists, nurses, psychologists, and occupational therapists on staff. There are rounds. Someone should have noticed a completely sane individual and raised an alarm. Is it even possible that the entire State Psychiatric Hospital was complicit in this conspiracy?

driftinggull21 said:This isn't just about one psychiatrist colluding with parents to lock up a perfectly healthy girl.
There are other psychiatrists, nurses, psychologists, and occupational therapists on staff. There are rounds. Someone should have noticed a completely sane individual and raised an alarm. Is it even possible that the entire State Psychiatric Hospital was complicit in this conspiracy?

placidranger said:Either that, or the kid wasn't exactly well to begin with. I suspect the truth—as usual—lies somewhere in the middle. 🤷
The director wouldn't risk her reputation if everything were clean, but then again, who knows? A child probably wouldn't stay in a facility that long without there being some kind of issue.

placidjackal36 said:Here in the States? Why would they even bother coming here? Why aren't they heading to Strasbourg? If the case is as airtight as they claim, they’d win there in a heartbeat. So what's the hold-up? No travel budget? Not a dime.
Something smells fishy to me. If this was legit, these NGOs would be teaming up just to get some momentum. I don't think you grasp how massive the implications of this actually are.

It's an attempted murder.

Why do I feel like I'm talking to someone who doesn't realize how heavy this whole situation is?

Jose Barrett said:Give me a break!
When you have patients experiencing psychosis, they get an antipsychotic via IV. I mean, what else are you supposed to do if a patient suddenly snaps, punches a nurse in the eye, or breaks a doctor's collarbone? 🙄

For those kinds of "patients," you need to have a few trained professionals nearby who can actually handle someone having a sudden psychotic break.

Otherwise, you'd just sit there having a nice little chat with them, telling them their behavior isn't okay and suggesting they swing by for psychotherapy tomorrow at 4:00 PM to learn some anger management. 🤣

placidjackal36 said:Restraining someone until they lose consciousness is attempted murder, no matter how you frame it.
The issue is that everything we know here is just forum chatter, which makes it hard to say anything concrete beyond condemning the act.

And what if it isn't nonsense?

Are you suggesting that choking someone into unconsciousness is part of the standard medical protocol? Or did you just come here to troll and incite people by calling attempted murder "just part of the job"?

It's possible. It’s not exactly what you’d expect to see everywhere, but it’s definitely possible.

What if it isn't just tall tales?

Are you suggesting that choking someone into oblivion is actually part of standard medical protocol? Or did you just show up to troll the thread and incite a riot by talking about murder with a sympathetic tone?

It's possible, though certainly not something you'd expect everywhere. But it really is a possibility.

placidranger said:I agree. Proving attempted murder in this scenario would be a nightmare if you're weighing a professional diagnosis of a psychotic break against the patient's own claim of an assassination attempt. Even with physical evidence of choking, a lawyer could easily argue "excessive force" or some other technicality.

What if it isn't just tall tales?

Are you suggesting that choking someone into oblivion is actually part of standard medical protocol? Or did you just show up to troll the thread and incite a riot by talking about murder with a sympathetic tone?

Antipsychotics are administered—it's a reality—and sometimes they have to be given forcibly (if the individual is aggressive, attacking others, themselves, etc.). As of now, I'm not aware of a more humane method.🤷

It's possible, though certainly not something you'd expect everywhere. But it really is a possibility.

True, it's entirely possible. There are unstable people in psychiatry too.

Suffocating until you pass out? No way. Look, if someone hits that point, you have to jump on resuscitation immediately, otherwise, they’re gone in a heartbeat. And let’s get one thing straight: CPR isn't some Hollywood magic trick where you do a couple of chest compressions, blow some air into them, and suddenly the patient pops their eyes open, perfectly fine. In reality, CPR often doesn't even work. At the end of the day, manual compressions and rescue breaths aren't really meant to "bring someone back" to life—they're just a desperate attempt to keep a tiny bit of oxygenated blood moving through the system until a paramedic shows up with a defibrillator.

If you grab someone by the throat and squeeze until they stop breathing, you can be pretty damn sure you've sent them straight to the morgue. That’s why this whole thing feels incredibly sketchy to me.

I don't know, I've got a different take on this. If what redharbor9 is saying actually holds water, then maybe we're all just dealing with a bit of an optical illusion. It might just be a matter of perception.
What if she was having a psychotic break? Or maybe she was just struggling against them—trying to hurt herself, whether she meant to or not—and they had to pin her down and hit her with an IV sedative to get things under control? It’s entirely possible someone had a hand on her neck during the chaos, too. If that happened, the whole experience would feel completely different. It looked similar. It’s suffocating.🤷
Look, it doesn't even matter if the staff had good intentions or not—that’s beside the point now. The reality is that you can make anyone feel like they're suffocating if you physically overpower them and hit them with a stronger sedative. It's just how it works.

Look, antipsychotics get administered. Period. And yeah, sometimes they have to be given forcibly—if someone is being aggressive, attacking others, or trying to tear themselves apart. Right now, I honestly can't think of a more humane way to handle that kind of crisis. 🤷

I haven't even touched on antipsychotics or sedatives yet. We’re strictly talking about that choking sensation she supposedly went through.

redharbor9 said:Honestly, the amount of shock over this thread is killing me. This kind of garbage is just business as usual in our psychiatric wards. We’re talking about tying patients to their beds because they got up to use the bathroom at night; doctors snickering, "Fine, you're getting a double dose now, let's see if you feel like messing around tomorrow"; laughing in a woman's face while she describes throwing her kid down a well; or just aggressively forcing meds on people without even trying a human approach first.

Dehumanization is basically standard operating procedure in a place like that. It’s clearly the only way anyone stays sane. Sure, there are exceptions—doctors who clash with administrators pushing these aggressive tactics—but the real question is whether they're too weak to fight back or just don't give a damn.

There was even a death at a hospital out in rural Maine due to workplace bullying. The director actually hung a memo on the wall where the staff were begging the state government for help, claiming management was running a "system of terror" (>). I guess she hung it there to show that they tried, but failed.

Look, people like that stay in power because that's how the politics work. You can't expect change when the system is rigged to keep them in charge, which makes any attempt to fix things feel totally pointless.

The real issue is the bigger picture—the mindset of the people here that allows this stuff to happen. In more developed countries, a politician who jumps parties loses their base instantly, but here, blatant corruption still wins votes. So how can you expect people to actually fight for "minor" issues like this?

I'm with you on this. There are ways to curb this kind of criminal behavior, but let's be honest—we live in a total circus where nothing ever changes.

That said, the level of dehumanization you described isn't exactly the norm. Sure, it happens, but seeing it on this scale is rare. These kinds of extreme environments are usually reserved for regimes like Nazi Germany or the USSR. Even back in the days of America, we saw flashes of it, but it wasn't nearly as widespread as what you're talking about.

placidjackal36 said:Suffocating until you pass out? No way. Look, if someone hits that point, you have to jump on resuscitation immediately, otherwise, they’re gone in a heartbeat. And let’s get one thing straight: CPR isn't some Hollywood magic trick where you do a couple of chest compressions, blow some air into them, and suddenly the patient pops their eyes open, perfectly fine. In reality, CPR often doesn't even work. At the end of the day, manual compressions and rescue breaths aren't really meant to "bring someone back" to life—they're just a desperate attempt to keep a tiny bit of oxygenated blood moving through the system until a paramedic shows up with a defibrillator.

If you grab someone by the throat and squeeze until they stop breathing, you can be pretty damn sure you've sent them straight to the morgue. That’s why this whole thing feels incredibly sketchy to me.

I don't know, I've got a different take on this. If what redharbor9 is saying actually holds water, then maybe we're all just dealing with a bit of an optical illusion. It might just be a matter of perception.
What if she was having a psychotic break? Or maybe she was just struggling against them—trying to hurt herself, whether she meant to or not—and they had to pin her down and hit her with an IV sedative to get things under control? It’s entirely possible someone had a hand on her neck during the chaos, too. If that happened, the whole experience would feel completely different. It looked similar. It’s suffocating.🤷
Look, it doesn't even matter if the staff had good intentions or not—that’s beside the point now. The reality is that you can make anyone feel like they're suffocating if you physically overpower them and hit them with a stronger sedative. It's just how it works.

I'm with you on this. There are ways to curb this kind of criminal behavior, but let's be honest—we live in a total circus where nothing ever changes.

That said, the level of dehumanization you described isn't exactly the norm. Sure, it happens, but seeing it on this scale is rare. These kinds of extreme environments are usually reserved for regimes like Nazi Germany or the USSR. Even back in the days of America, we saw flashes of it, but it wasn't nearly as widespread as what you're talking about.

placidjackal36 said:Suffocating until you pass out? No way. Look, if someone hits that point, you have to jump on resuscitation immediately, otherwise, they’re gone in a heartbeat. And let’s get one thing straight: CPR isn't some Hollywood magic trick where you do a couple of chest compressions, blow some air into them, and suddenly the patient pops their eyes open, perfectly fine. In reality, CPR often doesn't even work. At the end of the day, manual compressions and rescue breaths aren't really meant to "bring someone back" to life—they're just a desperate attempt to keep a tiny bit of oxygenated blood moving through the system until a paramedic shows up with a defibrillator.

If you grab someone by the throat and squeeze until they stop breathing, you can be pretty damn sure you've sent them straight to the morgue. That’s why this whole thing feels incredibly sketchy to me.

I don't know, I've got a different take on this. If what redharbor9 is saying actually holds water, then maybe we're all just dealing with a bit of an optical illusion. It might just be a matter of perception.
What if she was having a psychotic break? Or maybe she was just struggling against them—trying to hurt herself, whether she meant to or not—and they had to pin her down and hit her with an IV sedative to get things under control? It’s entirely possible someone had a hand on her neck during the chaos, too. If that happened, the whole experience would feel completely different. It looked similar. It’s suffocating.🤷
Look, it doesn't even matter if the staff had good intentions or not—that’s beside the point now. The reality is that you can make anyone feel like they're suffocating if you physically overpower them and hit them with a stronger sedative. It's just how it works.

I'm with you on this. There are ways to curb this kind of criminal behavior, but let's be honest—we live in a total circus where nothing ever changes.

That said, the level of dehumanization you described isn't exactly the norm. Sure, it happens, but seeing it on this scale is rare. These kinds of extreme environments are usually reserved for regimes like Nazi Germany or the USSR. Even back in the days of America, we saw flashes of it, but it wasn't nearly as widespread as what you're talking about.

placidjackal36 said:Restraining someone until they lose consciousness is attempted murder, no matter how you frame it.
The issue is that everything we know here is just forum chatter, which makes it hard to say anything concrete beyond condemning the act.

And what if it isn't nonsense?

Are you suggesting that choking someone into unconsciousness is part of the standard medical protocol? Or did you just come here to troll and incite people by calling attempted murder "just part of the job"?

It's possible. It’s not exactly what you’d expect to see everywhere, but it’s definitely possible.

redharbor9 said:I remember stumbling upon some stuff about that whole "noose" trend...

http://www.depresija.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=7003

Third post in a row...

redharbor9 said:

redharbor9 said:I remember stumbling upon some stuff about that whole "noose" trend...

http://www.depresija.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=7003

Third post in a row...

I haven't seen any posts from morbidangel lately. Anyone know where they went? kaže:
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You’re acting surprised like some clueless bystander, but you probably still have those vivid descriptions of "life" inside a state psychiatric ward burned into your brain. I remember a user who went by dozens of different handles over the years—she was Dubravka, someone struggling with schizophrenia. Then there were all those other people on this thread who had varying degrees of contact with facilities like Bellevue or various state hospitals across the US. I specifically remember one guy who described his time there with such dark, biting humor; if anyone remembers which user he was and has a link to that old thread, please drop it here. A lot of these folks wrote about how the staff actually treats patients behind closed doors.👎👎👎👎👎