Conversion therapy" for lesbian girls in America and similar cases

Look, maybe I’m misreading the situation here, but my understanding was that they were just suspended, not actually fired or permanently replaced by new hires.
And honestly, there is a massive, night and day difference between those two things.
I actually found myself on the receiving end of a suspension once, and looking back, all I could really do was thank the decent folks at the company who basically handed me a little extra paid vacation out of it.
At the end of the day, being suspended doesn't mean you've been proven guilty of anything.

slywolf45 said:Exactly.
The theory is that there was some sort of arrangement with the specialists to frame it as a drug issue. And apparently, they were all disciples of the Gruden school of thought, given he openly argues that homosexuality should be treated.
Why on earth are you acting surprised?😕

Quincy:

Alright, but what about society at large? Her classmates, her teachers? They would have had to know she was perfectly fine—that she hadn't fallen in with a bad crowd or started using substances. Would it really be that easy for a student to just vanish from school because she was institutionalized under those pretenses? Would nobody ask questions or react, even by calling the police? In reality, the only people who showed even a shred of basic human decency or social responsibility were members of lesbian advocacy groups. How convenient.👍 (The lawyers and journalists only showed up later, driven by their usual agendas).

I have to admit, parts of this story don't quite add up for me either.
But surely those hospital employees weren't fired and replaced just because of a documentary and some unproven allegations?
Or were they? I honestly don't know.🤷

I am not necessarily shocked by this specific instance. In fact, I am familiar with similar cases involving even darker motives and consequences. However, I am highlighting the details that require further clarification, because the need for explanation builds up as the story progresses, until the narrative no longer feels credible to me.

I have to admit that the story has some holes in it.
But were those people from the hospital really replaced and fired just because of a documentary and something unproven?
Or were they? I don't know.🤷

It wouldn't be the first time; the same pattern exists throughout the entire system, starting with the federal government. Too much negative publicity leads to shifts for the well-connected and terminations for those who aren't. What actually happened isn't important. In truth, we don't want it to matter. 😬

I’m straight, and nobody in my circle knows that except for my girlfriend—and honestly, I prefer keeping it that way.
I don't even hold her hand when we're out in public because I think it's tacky, let alone engaging in any heavy making out in a club or on the street.
To me, that kind of stuff is just improper. I’m not looking to be labeled as some backward, uncultured, or "primitive" guy from a third-world country, which is the kind of nonsense I see people typing here.

I’m just "different," and I’d appreciate it if you didn't immediately slap labels on me or claim her parents aren't "normal" just because of this.

Why did that girl in the other case even feel the need to come out to her mother?
Frankly, I couldn't care less whether my parents think I'm a dork or straight.

I don't attend any pride protests, nor do I support them.

I don't care about anyone else's sexual orientation, and they shouldn't care about mine, or what I think about anyone's preferences.

What bothers me is the "flaunting" of sexuality under the guise of being trendy, modern, or socially progressive, when at its core, it’s really just about a lack of decency and being overbearing.

I have no desire to see two men making out on the sidewalk, much like I have no desire to see a couple hooking up on a park bench.

That’s all there is to it.

hollowtrucker77 said:Look, maybe I’m misreading the situation here, but my understanding was that they were just suspended, not actually fired or permanently replaced by new hires.
And honestly, there is a massive, night and day difference between those two things.
I actually found myself on the receiving end of a suspension once, and looking back, all I could really do was thank the decent folks at the company who basically handed me a little extra paid vacation out of it.
At the end of the day, being suspended doesn't mean you've been proven guilty of anything.

That’s certainly a possibility.
However, I could have sworn I read somewhere that the director had been ousted.
Good grief, it feels like we’re all just flying blind here without any real information...🙄😁

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hollowtrucker77 said:I wouldn't say I disbelieve it, because I've seen enough weirdness in my time to know that, unfortunately, almost anything is possible among human beings.
Yeah, sadly, this scenario is entirely plausible, and it’s a disgrace for all of us, not just those specific parents.
The point I'm trying to make is that we need to be careful not to pin everything on a single cause, and we shouldn't start attributing every single thing that happens to someone's sexual orientation without actually trying to get a more objective picture of the situation.

Anna was admitted to the facility due to drug addiction, and we'd really need to look into the specifics of the therapy she was receiving before we could claim to know exactly what was going down.

What I'm attempting to highlight is the need for a bit of caution to maintain credibility, lest we end up falling victim to a sort of "Boy Who Cried Wolf" syndrome.
It’s similar to how I hear people claiming nowadays that everything happening to someone in America is purely because they happen to be Black.

🙂 Yes, I totally see your point... You're right. The public—or at least the more thoughtful, empathetic part of it—is incredibly sensitive to issues regarding discrimination against the LGBTQ+ community. And since those groups are fighting harder than ever for their rights, there are definitely cases where people overemphasize sexual orientation. They frame an issue as being about someone being gay, Black, or any other minority group, when in reality, the actual problem has nothing to do with identity at all.

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slywolf45 said:Exactly.
The theory is that there was some sort of arrangement with the specialists to frame it as a drug issue. And apparently, they were all disciples of the Gruden school of thought, given he openly argues that homosexuality should be treated.
Why on earth are you acting surprised?😕

Quincy:

Alright, but what about society at large? Her classmates, her teachers? They would have had to know she was perfectly fine—that she hadn't fallen in with a bad crowd or started using substances. Would it really be that easy for a student to just vanish from school because she was institutionalized under those pretenses? Would nobody ask questions or react, even by calling the police? In reality, the only people who showed even a shred of basic human decency or social responsibility were members of lesbian advocacy groups. How convenient.👍 (The lawyers and journalists only showed up later, driven by their usual agendas).

I have to admit, parts of this story don't quite add up for me either.
But surely those hospital employees weren't fired and replaced just because of a documentary and some unproven allegations?
Or were they? I honestly don't know.🤷

I’m posting here because her story has left me absolutely devastated... I'm actually in tears. Poor kid. She was only 16 years old, yet she spent nearly five years living through a total nightmare—completely innocent and through no fault of her own. Here is what she said:

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Ana Dragičević finally left Lopač Psychiatric Hospital this spring. Her parents had her placed there when she was only 16 years old.

They locked me up in Lopač Psychiatric Hospital just because they couldn't handle my sexual orientation. They didn't get that I’m not claiming to be gay just to provoke them—this is simply who I am. They dumped me in Lopač because they were embarrassed; it was easier for them to let everyone think I'm an addict rather than admit I'm a lesbian.

My girlfriend and I had a rough time because our parents just wouldn't approve of our relationship. My dad, especially—he’s pretty aggressive and totally intolerant. It got to the point where we actually had to sneak out of the house every now and then just to get some space. We'd grab a drink or two, but honestly, that’s hardly a crime at our age!

I wasn't using drugs, okay? I have no idea what those people at the facility were trying to force me to confess to just so they could officially hospitalize me.

"When I was first admitted to Lopač Psychiatric Hospital, all they had was a single positive drug test to use against me," says Ana Dragičević. "To my clueless parents, it was the perfect excuse to give the neighbors—that I was on drugs and that psychiatric care was exactly where I belonged! But here’s the thing: during my entire stay at Lopač, I never once went through withdrawal. It was obvious I wasn't an addict. In fact, I kept insisting they run blood tests just to prove it, but they refused. In the end, I finally gave in and confessed to being an addict for one reason only: to make them stop mentally destroying me. I thought, 'Once they see there's no withdrawal, they'll finally let me go.' Sadly, that never happened."

Even though they mostly treated her like a heroin addict during her time at Lopač Psychiatric Hospital, the facility finally ended up debunking their own claims. One document finally set the record straight: "Regarding the alleged opioid addiction of Ana Dragičević, there is no evidence that the patient developed withdrawal symptoms during either her first or second round of treatment; therefore, an opioid addiction cannot be established."

According to the same document, after Ana Dragičević testified that she underwent therapy specifically because of her sexual orientation, there’s a note suggesting "one might get the impression that her orientation was occasionally treated as a clinical issue at Lopač Psychiatric Hospital." The conclusion? Treating someone's sexual orientation as something to be "treated" is absolutely unacceptable. It isn't a disease or a disorder—it's simply a matter of individual free will and personal choice.

Ever since she moved out of the Lopač Psychiatric Hospital, Ana Dragičević has been flying solo—honestly, living with her parents would have been impossible for her. Now, they can't force her back to Lopač if they tried. She’s making it clear that none of this trauma would have happened if her parents had just accepted her sexual orientation when she first realized it right as she was hitting adulthood.

"It’s just unreal that I ended up serving nearly five years at Lopač Psychiatric Hospital because of this," says Ana Dragičević. "They robbed me of my childhood. I tried to finish school while I was there, but they wouldn't let me. Now, my health is shot—I've dropped down to only 103 pounds—and I'm left completely traumatized and terrified." While at Lopač, she was subjected to isolation, forced injections, being strapped to a bed, and even being forced into a straitjacket.

And here’s a little something regarding those doctors... sorry for the long quotes

Why is Lopač Psychiatric Hospital still operating, and why do the doctors who torture patients still have jobs instead of being behind bars? If what Dr. Slavko Sakoman stated during Monday night's episode of the TV show "Openly" is true—that Lopač is holding onto an excessive number of underage patients for years due to "behind-the-scenes interests," and that these patients are subjected to torture strictly forbidden even in prisons—then the Secretary of Health, Darko Milinović, needs to resign immediately. He hasn't done a single thing to stop the torture at Lopač.
This house of horrors has grabbed headlines because of the horrific case involving a young woman from a major US city, Ana Dragičević, who was tortured for five years at Lopač simply because she is a lesbian. Most Americans know this story by now: when she was sixteen, her own parents placed her in Lopač hoping to "cure" her of homosexuality—treating someone who is perfectly capable of making their own decisions as if they need psychiatric supervision. Once she turned 18, they kept her detained there even though she never gave the written consent required by law. Her tormentors were the two people running Lopač: Director Dr. Mirjana Vulin and Dr. Radomir rakun. They tied her up, drugged her, threw her into solitary confinement, and even faked medical reports claiming she was a drug addict just to find some twisted justification to keep her. She was finally released only after telling Dr. Vulin that she had been "cured" and that, thanks to her treatments, she no longer liked girls, only boys. How can a doctor—especially the director of a hospital facility—be someone who practices "cures" for something that science proves isn't even a disease, especially since homosexuality isn't on any list maintained by the World Health Organization?

Brave Ana managed to escape Lopač and found the strength to speak out publicly about what happened to her. Because of everything she endured, she actually needs real medical help now. Sadly, very few people noticed that Ana Dragičević kept repeating that she decided to go public specifically to save others from the tormentors at Lopač. People treated her case like an isolated incident, while the conservative public tried to move on as quickly as possible from one nearly destroyed young life caused by a "wrong" lifestyle "choice." Due to intense media coverage of the whole situation, the Secretary of Health replaced Dr. Vulin and sent Dr. Sakoman and the director of the local state facility, Dr. Vlada Jukić, to conduct an investigation. He thought that by doing that, he could close the Lopač case and ensure the public would never learn what the investigators actually discovered inside that nightmare facility in the city.

I honestly don't know how hard this would actually be to prove
(speaking purely from a layman's perspective—and maybe being a bit naive here—but I don't think it should be an impossible task)
after that, I’d set up a system where everyone involved gets a customized sentence based on their specific level of guilt, and then I'd personally strip them of everything they own and sell their hides just to cover the damages

What’s the deal with that news about a clinic opening up in the States to treat homosexuality?

rapidgull3 said:What’s the deal with that news about a clinic opening up in the States to treat homosexuality?

Hahaha, yeah right... they won't get very far with that one. I think even a geologist would have a hard time finding any logic in their treatment plan!🤣>

rapidgull3 said:What’s the deal with that news about a clinic opening up in the States to treat homosexuality?

Honestly, I wonder what else people will try to monetize. I watched a bit of that segment on the Red Carpet, and—I guess it's fair to say—it was pretty insulting to everyone's intelligence, including the network and the viewers. It’s hard to wrap my head around why such a manufactured, bizarre business venture would get airtime on a private media outlet, especially when the outlet tries to distance itself from the stance by hiding behind the reporter's supposed "objectivity"—which mostly just looked like her nodding along to everything said, while offering a tiny, half-hearted comment that maybe things aren't quite how this "healer" imagines them. If I were that young man being the first one there to undergo this "treatment," I might suggest he take some of his money to a local bookstore instead—there are plenty of modern books out there on sexuality that might actually be helpful.

I don't really see it as a plot hole in Ana's story to suggest her relatives actually bought into what those "parents" were doing; honestly, I wouldn't even be questioning the school situation or her circle of friends right now
Everyone is just looking out for number one these days—just look at the Elizabeth Fritzl case