Conversion therapy" for lesbian girls in America and similar cases

Jose Barrett said:
I checked myself into the facility voluntarily, well, my parents brought me there because they could see I wasn't doing okay. By the second day, I woke up feeling completely untethered—paranoia was hitting hard—simply because there wasn't a single familiar face nearby. When they tried to administer an injection, I told them I wanted to be called 92 because I just didn't trust them. I refused the shot unless they called the police to stand guard over me. They suggested I head to the intake room first and said we’d call the cops from there. As soon as I walked into the intake room, a technician on duty came up behind me, threw a restraint loop around my neck, and slammed me to the floor while two or three other techs piled on top of me. My mind went straight to the thought that they were trying to kill me, and I fought back with everything I had; it was pure survival instinct. The tech kept tightening the loop until I was nearly suffocated. During the struggle, they also managed to jab me with needles a couple of times. Later, the psychiatrist told my mom that in cases like that, a tech will tighten the loop until the patient stops resisting—even if it means death. After all that, they tossed me in a seclusion box and kept me restrained for over 24 hours. They tied me so tight they crushed my ulnar nerve; for the next year, I couldn't fully move two fingers on my hands, and I doubt my grip strength or sensation will ever truly return to normal. And about that box—I almost died of dehydration a few times. I’d scream for water, but food and drink only arrived when the tech showed up, which was maybe ten times in over twenty-four hours. By then, I was so depleted that five minutes after drinking a glass of water, I was already thirsty again.

That’s his testimony, which could be entirely fabricated, yet you're treating it as relevant evidence.
The kid was probably riding some heavy psychostimulants given that his parents sent him to the hospital just because they noticed "something was wrong."

Are you even reading what anyone else is saying, or is your only goal in this thread to argue and prove you're right? Based on what I've seen, even a typical Republican can see that this isn't the same experience I described—it's just some other random thing I found online...

placidjackal36 said:

Look, when I mentioned choking, I wasn't talking about her. I was using it as an example of how a non-aggressive patient who actually *wants* to be hospitalized (because of suicidal thoughts) gets handled... just an example of how things go down in our psych wards...

By the way, there was resuscitation too...
Well, just say it then. Look, at the end of the day, she’s got nothing to do with this. You’ve got to come out and say it right away, before people start making up their own versions of events. If you don't, sooner or later, those rumors just harden into what everyone accepts as the truth.

Look, I’ve said this before when it comes to resuscitation: suffocating someone is actually a pretty effective way to kill them. The media loves to paint CPR as this miraculous, high-success-rate miracle cure, but that's just not the reality. In practice, the number of people who actually pull through is incredibly small. And even among those who technically "come back," a significant chunk of them don't last very long anyway.
If patient neglect were actually widespread in our healthcare system, they’d probably just install a conveyor belt leading straight from the hospital beds to the cemetery.

Later on, my psychiatrist told my mom that when things get that intense, the technician is authorized to tighten the restraints—even if it means holding them until they can't breathe anymore, if that's what it takes to keep control.

If he actually said that, then he needs to lose his license immediately. He should be facing prison time right alongside those technicians. "Until death if necessary"... give me a break. It sounds like something a teenager would mutter while obsessing over some B-list action movie.

I haven't seen any posts from morbidangel lately. Anyone know where they went? kaže:
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You’re acting surprised like some clueless bystander, but you probably still have those vivid descriptions of "life" inside a state psychiatric ward burned into your brain. I remember a user who went by dozens of different handles over the years—she was Dubravka, someone struggling with schizophrenia. Then there were all those other people on this thread who had varying degrees of contact with facilities like Bellevue or various state hospitals across the US. I specifically remember one guy who described his time there with such dark, biting humor; if anyone remembers which user he was and has a link to that old thread, please drop it here. A lot of these folks wrote about how the staff actually treats patients behind closed doors.👎👎👎👎👎

I’m not even surprised at this point. All I’m saying is these aren't just isolated incidents. At this rate, we're going to find out the entire hospital system is being run by Helga's nurses and Doctor Death's private militia.
Does my post even sound like I'm linking it to her? 🙂

redharbor9 said:Are you even reading what anyone else is saying, or is your only goal in this thread to argue and prove you're right? Based on what I've seen, even a typical Republican can see that this isn't the same experience I described—it's just some other random thing I found online...

Man, stay far away from politics, seriously. 🤣

Even a half-wit Democrat can see you're trying to sneakily pass off a lie as the truth.
Your technique is weak.
If you want to play this game, you'll need more practice.

Jose Barrett said:Man, stay far away from politics, seriously. 🤣

Even a half-wit Democrat can see you're trying to sneakily pass off a lie as the truth.
Your technique is weak.
If you want to play this game, you'll need more practice.

Too bad you aren't the subject of this debate, so none of that matters. 🙂

placidjackal36 said:

Look, when I mentioned choking, I wasn't talking about her. I was using it as an example of how a non-aggressive patient who actually *wants* to be hospitalized (because of suicidal thoughts) gets handled... just an example of how things go down in our psych wards...

By the way, there was resuscitation too...
Well, just say it then. Look, at the end of the day, she’s got nothing to do with this. You’ve got to come out and say it right away, before people start making up their own versions of events. If you don't, sooner or later, those rumors just harden into what everyone accepts as the truth.

Look, I’ve said this before when it comes to resuscitation: suffocating someone is actually a pretty effective way to kill them. The media loves to paint CPR as this miraculous, high-success-rate miracle cure, but that's just not the reality. In practice, the number of people who actually pull through is incredibly small. And even among those who technically "come back," a significant chunk of them don't last very long anyway.
If patient neglect were actually widespread in our healthcare system, they’d probably just install a conveyor belt leading straight from the hospital beds to the cemetery.

Later on, my psychiatrist told my mom that when things get that intense, the technician is authorized to tighten the restraints—even if it means holding them until they can't breathe anymore, if that's what it takes to keep control.

If he actually said that, then he needs to lose his license immediately. He should be facing prison time right alongside those technicians. "Until death if necessary"... give me a break. It sounds like something a teenager would mutter while obsessing over some B-list action movie.

I haven't seen any posts from morbidangel lately. Anyone know where they went? kaže:
🙄
You’re acting surprised like some clueless bystander, but you probably still have those vivid descriptions of "life" inside a state psychiatric ward burned into your brain. I remember a user who went by dozens of different handles over the years—she was Dubravka, someone struggling with schizophrenia. Then there were all those other people on this thread who had varying degrees of contact with facilities like Bellevue or various state hospitals across the US. I specifically remember one guy who described his time there with such dark, biting humor; if anyone remembers which user he was and has a link to that old thread, please drop it here. A lot of these folks wrote about how the staff actually treats patients behind closed doors.👎👎👎👎👎

I’m not even surprised at this point. All I’m saying is these aren't just isolated incidents. At this rate, we're going to find out the entire hospital system is being run by Helga's nurses and Doctor Death's private militia.
And one case is still way too many, don't you think?

Back to the point... I dealt with a case involving a minor where a psychiatrist (at some hospital in Chicago) decided they weren't gay just by looking at their facial features. They actually told the parents the kid was making it all up...

It’s not quite the same kind of aggression we’re debating here, but it’s a perfect example of how people view homosexuality these days...

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redharbor9 said:Back to the point... I dealt with a case involving a minor where a psychiatrist (at some hospital in Chicago) decided they weren't gay just by looking at their facial features. They actually told the parents the kid was making it all up...

It’s not quite the same kind of aggression we’re debating here, but it’s a perfect example of how people view homosexuality these days...

Homosexuality was removed from the DSM years ago, yet even today, 90% of psychiatrists refuse to discuss anything beyond socially acceptable, politically correct talking points.

redharbor9!

Do you actually have any evidence for what you're saying, or are we just supposed to take your word for it? Since you apparently finished psychology at some liberal arts college, I guess we're all expected to tolerate the baseless call-outs.

Just one piece of proof. That’s all it takes.

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Homosexuality was removed from the DSM years ago, yet even today, 90% of psychiatrists refuse to discuss anything beyond socially acceptable, politically correct talking points.

And everything changes at a snail's pace... I mean, when you hear stories about pediatricians telling parents that a kid's obvious eating disorder is just "a phase" or will fix itself, you can't even be surprised by this stuff anymore...

Personally, I'm convinced real change only happens when society actually shifts... which means we’re probably never moving forward.

redharbor9 said:And one case is still way too many, don't you think?

Of course. This shouldn't even be up for debate. We’re talking about textbook examples of criminal behavior here. These aren't just "mistakes"—they fall squarely under criminal law, and they need to be handled with an iron fist, no compromises allowed. We already have perfectly functional tools for this: prison sentences and stripping people of their professional licenses. If someone betrays the very system that provides them with a paycheck, they shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a government job ever again. Period.

Honestly, even if they shut that hospital down—which they absolutely should if they’re actually guilty—the whole investigation would probably be a total mess. In a country that isn't as dysfunctional as the US, the federal government would have sent an investigative task force to audit every single psychiatric facility of that kind nationwide. That’s standard procedure, something you shouldn't even have to ask for. On top of that, every single staff member at that facility in Lopača should be sitting in a police interrogation room right now.
Look, if you lock up the doctor but let all the technicians walk free, you’ve achieved absolutely nothing. It’s a total farce. It’s like when some high-ranking commander gets convicted for war crimes, but the guys who actually pulled the trigger or got their hands dirty stay out on the street. Or better yet, think about it like catching the big boss of a crime syndicate but letting all his foot soldiers run the streets untouched. You haven't solved the problem; you've just removed the figurehead.

We need to go in there and wipe the slate clean. Total extermination. No half-measures, no playing nice, and absolutely no compromises. If you don't pull the trigger on the whole thing, you haven't actually done the job—you've just moved the problem around.

redharbor9 said:Back to the point... I dealt with a case involving a minor where a psychiatrist (at some hospital in Chicago) decided they weren't gay just by looking at their facial features. They actually told the parents the kid was making it all up...

It’s not quite the same kind of aggression we’re debating here, but it’s a perfect example of how people view homosexuality these days...

Is that psychiatrist even licensed? Because they absolutely should be.

Look, let’s be real here. This isn't some progressive, modern take on homosexuality. It’s just the mark of a bottom-tier psychiatrist and a total hack who doesn't know what they're talking about.

placidjackal36 said:Of course. This shouldn't even be up for debate. We’re talking about textbook examples of criminal behavior here. These aren't just "mistakes"—they fall squarely under criminal law, and they need to be handled with an iron fist, no compromises allowed. We already have perfectly functional tools for this: prison sentences and stripping people of their professional licenses. If someone betrays the very system that provides them with a paycheck, they shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a government job ever again. Period.

Honestly, even if they shut that hospital down—which they absolutely should if they’re actually guilty—the whole investigation would probably be a total mess. In a country that isn't as dysfunctional as the US, the federal government would have sent an investigative task force to audit every single psychiatric facility of that kind nationwide. That’s standard procedure, something you shouldn't even have to ask for. On top of that, every single staff member at that facility in Lopača should be sitting in a police interrogation room right now.
Look, if you lock up the doctor but let all the technicians walk free, you’ve achieved absolutely nothing. It’s a total farce. It’s like when some high-ranking commander gets convicted for war crimes, but the guys who actually pulled the trigger or got their hands dirty stay out on the street. Or better yet, think about it like catching the big boss of a crime syndicate but letting all his foot soldiers run the streets untouched. You haven't solved the problem; you've just removed the figurehead.

We need to go in there and wipe the slate clean. Total extermination. No half-measures, no playing nice, and absolutely no compromises. If you don't pull the trigger on the whole thing, you haven't actually done the job—you've just moved the problem around.

Is that psychiatrist even licensed? Because they absolutely should be.

Look, let’s be real here. This isn't some progressive, modern take on homosexuality. It’s just the mark of a bottom-tier psychiatrist and a total hack who doesn't know what they're talking about.

Hell no, he isn't. 🙂

I’m guessing it’s because the patient doesn't want to go public. It’s a common story, unfortunately. I’ve seen plenty of similar cases myself, and some were honestly much worse.

placidjackal36 said:Suffocating until you pass out? No way. Look, if someone hits that point, you have to jump on resuscitation immediately, otherwise, they’re gone in a heartbeat. And let’s get one thing straight: CPR isn't some Hollywood magic trick where you do a couple of chest compressions, blow some air into them, and suddenly the patient pops their eyes open, perfectly fine. In reality, CPR often doesn't even work. At the end of the day, manual compressions and rescue breaths aren't really meant to "bring someone back" to life—they're just a desperate attempt to keep a tiny bit of oxygenated blood moving through the system until a paramedic shows up with a defibrillator.

If you grab someone by the throat and squeeze until they stop breathing, you can be pretty damn sure you've sent them straight to the morgue. That’s why this whole thing feels incredibly sketchy to me.

I don't know, I've got a different take on this. If what redharbor9 is saying actually holds water, then maybe we're all just dealing with a bit of an optical illusion. It might just be a matter of perception.
What if she was having a psychotic break? Or maybe she was just struggling against them—trying to hurt herself, whether she meant to or not—and they had to pin her down and hit her with an IV sedative to get things under control? It’s entirely possible someone had a hand on her neck during the chaos, too. If that happened, the whole experience would feel completely different. It looked similar. It’s suffocating.🤷
Look, it doesn't even matter if the staff had good intentions or not—that’s beside the point now. The reality is that you can make anyone feel like they're suffocating if you physically overpower them and hit them with a stronger sedative. It's just how it works.

I'm with you on this. There are ways to curb this kind of criminal behavior, but let's be honest—we live in a total circus where nothing ever changes.

That said, the level of dehumanization you described isn't exactly the norm. Sure, it happens, but seeing it on this scale is rare. These kinds of extreme environments are usually reserved for regimes like Nazi Germany or the USSR. Even back in the days of America, we saw flashes of it, but it wasn't nearly as widespread as what you're talking about.

Exactly. If they needed to calm her down, she needed a sedative injection—and to pull that off, someone had to hold her steady until she settled. To her, that could easily feel like choking (and, frankly, it looks terrifying to anyone watching).
Those kinds of actions are justifiable, provided they aren't using excessive force 🤷

I’ve been saying this for years now—instead of moving forward, we’re just regressing. Honestly, psychologically (and probably physically) abusing a partner, regardless of gender, is nothing short of monstrous. I don’t wish ill on anyone, but I’d love to see that same psychological torment turned back on the people responsible for what happened to that girl. Just to let them feel what it’s like when someone systematically strips away who you are, piece by piece. Unfortunately, we live in a country where concepts like equality, tolerance, and empathy feel totally foreign. Anything "different" is immediately labeled as sick, twisted, or unacceptable. Some people really need to clean up their own damn houses before they start preaching about everyone else. Or maybe it’s just pure frustration manifesting as a way to tear others down? Pathetic.

It reminds me of that old song: "America, America, my sweet America..."

Brian Murphy3 said:I’ve been saying this for years now—instead of moving forward, we’re just regressing. Honestly, psychologically (and probably physically) abusing a partner, regardless of gender, is nothing short of monstrous. I don’t wish ill on anyone, but I’d love to see that same psychological torment turned back on the people responsible for what happened to that girl. Just to let them feel what it’s like when someone systematically strips away who you are, piece by piece. Unfortunately, we live in a country where concepts like equality, tolerance, and empathy feel totally foreign. Anything "different" is immediately labeled as sick, twisted, or unacceptable. Some people really need to clean up their own damn houses before they start preaching about everyone else. Or maybe it’s just pure frustration manifesting as a way to tear others down? Pathetic.

It reminds me of that old song: "America, America, my sweet America..."

Interesting stuff, regardless of how you look at it.

Once you’ve exhausted every single legal avenue available within the US court system—which, let’s be honest, usually takes a good few years of grinding through bureaucracy—you can finally take the matter to the International Court of Justice in Strasbourg.

I heard this story recently... a 17-year-old girl—truly an angelic soul, a gentle spirit with such incredible creative energy. She met a girl online and fell head over heels. They spent some time together, going on walks, holding hands, just being sweet. Because she’s someone who can't stand secrecy or hiding who she is—she’s just so honest and open—she decided to confide in her mother. They were always close; her mom was supportive, reasonable, cultured, modern, and successful. Her mother listened with total empathy, gave her a hug, and told her, "It's okay, I understand you."

The very next day, the mother gathered the whole family and announced to everyone that the girl was "sick." She claimed she was a freak and that the family had collectively decided they needed to "cure" her. They told her that as long as she lives under their roof and they provide her food and education, she isn't allowed to go out anymore. They took her phone, cut off the Wi-Fi in her room, and started chauffeuring her to and from school themselves. Then, they found her a psychiatrist. The poor girl is now in total isolation from the world.

This isn't some made-up story; I heard it directly from her girlfriend.

I guess... I just wanted to share this heartbreaking tale as proof that primitivism is lurking everywhere in our society, even among the intellectuals. It is so hard for gay people to simply exist as themselves and fit into such primitive environments. Despite all our technological progress, the backwardness regarding certain issues is so deep that I’d venture to say that when it comes to awareness, openness, and tolerance, we are stuck in the 19th century.

Sandra Morgan2 said:I heard this story recently... a 17-year-old girl—truly an angelic soul, a gentle spirit with such incredible creative energy. She met a girl online and fell head over heels. They spent some time together, going on walks, holding hands, just being sweet. Because she’s someone who can't stand secrecy or hiding who she is—she’s just so honest and open—she decided to confide in her mother. They were always close; her mom was supportive, reasonable, cultured, modern, and successful. Her mother listened with total empathy, gave her a hug, and told her, "It's okay, I understand you."

The very next day, the mother gathered the whole family and announced to everyone that the girl was "sick." She claimed she was a freak and that the family had collectively decided they needed to "cure" her. They told her that as long as she lives under their roof and they provide her food and education, she isn't allowed to go out anymore. They took her phone, cut off the Wi-Fi in her room, and started chauffeuring her to and from school themselves. Then, they found her a psychiatrist. The poor girl is now in total isolation from the world.

This isn't some made-up story; I heard it directly from her girlfriend.

I guess... I just wanted to share this heartbreaking tale as proof that primitivism is lurking everywhere in our society, even among the intellectuals. It is so hard for gay people to simply exist as themselves and fit into such primitive environments. Despite all our technological progress, the backwardness regarding certain issues is so deep that I’d venture to say that when it comes to awareness, openness, and tolerance, we are stuck in the 19th century.

Errr. More like, first this "angel" tells his girlfriend everything (since she wasn't actually there, right?), then the girlfriend tells you, and then you tell us. 😬 Broken telephone, anyone? 🤣

As far as I'm concerned, maybe they grounded her because of bad grades or something. It's hard for me to "empathize" with a story that's fourth-hand and comes from four anonymous sources.

lonegardener said:Errr. More like, first this "angel" tells his girlfriend everything (since she wasn't actually there, right?), then the girlfriend tells you, and then you tell us. 😬 Broken telephone, anyone? 🤣

As far as I'm concerned, maybe they grounded her because of bad grades or something. It's hard for me to "empathize" with a story that's fourth-hand and comes from four anonymous sources.

Fair enough... that stands. Maybe what my girlfriend told me is the truth, or maybe it isn't....

But you have to admit that prejudices exist, along with both active and passive aggression toward gay people. For example, I don't know a single gay guy (and I know about ten) who hasn't dealt with some idiot trying to mess with him because of it.

Every one of them has some sad story—a history of verbal abuse, harassment, or even physical attacks because of their sexual orientation.

You could argue again that these are second-hand stories, but if you look just a little bit, you'll see that contempt for homosexuals is a widespread issue across America.

I recently read this. A really touching story from a young gay man's perspective.

Truth or not, I’ve heard a ton of stories like this firsthand—not personally, obviously, but from people close to me. And honestly? Most of them are way darker and more twisted than what you're hearing here. This kind of stuff is just everyday life in America...