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stormyjackal46 said:Alright, if we’re calling this a Psychology thread... though honestly, it feels more like Philosophy...
Until recently, people actually argued—or rather, pushed the thesis—that those born deaf couldn't develop speech or complex thought. It led to this dark, fundamental question: were they even truly human? 😲😲
stormyjackal46 said:Alright, if we’re calling this a Psychology thread... though honestly, it feels more like Philosophy...
Until recently, people actually argued—or rather, pushed the thesis—that those born deaf couldn't develop speech or complex thought. It led to this dark, fundamental question: were they even truly human? 😲😲
redmarlin3 said:bluewalker33, you seriously have the best handle on this entire forum. I actually lost it when I first saw it. 🤣 🙏 🙏 🙏
Anyway. Are we all certain that everyone actually "hears" the words they read in their head? Like, as a sound, for example?
Because me, honestly, I could spend all day reading, but I don't hear a single thing, I swear... 🤷
redmarlin3 said:bluewalker33, you seriously have the best handle on this entire forum. I actually lost it when I first saw it. 🤣 🙏 🙏 🙏
Anyway. Are we all certain that everyone actually "hears" the words they read in their head? Like, as a sound, for example?
Because me, honestly, I could spend all day reading, but I don't hear a single thing, I swear... 🤷
Joseph Watson3 said:I’d argue that the ones who "hear" it are either kids still learning or people who don't read much at all. Then you have the group below them—the ones who actually move their lips while they go through a page.
I suspect that with enough practice, reading should eventually become "untethered" from vocalization altogether. 🤷
bluewalker33 said:It honestly surprises me that you went with such a basic handle... I was actually shocked nobody snatched it up before me since it's just so plain and unoriginal 🙂
I can't even wrap my head around this question because I hear way too much. I’d have to be completely deaf to understand how they process all of this or how they keep it all straight in their heads. No matter how you look at it, they see images instead of letters—it's about grasping the core concept. They don't need voices to interpret every single symbol
placidranger said:I honestly have no idea how Deaf people actually learn to read.😕 I assume when they're learning letters, they're shown the corresponding hand sign or finger spelling, and then words are presented as a sequence of those signs—they just have to bridge the gap between the two.
Eventually, words are likely presented as a series of movements. (From what I gather, there are signs for entire words, which they might pick up later🤷).
Since hearing people have a certain way of thinking through "inner speech"—say, right before we speak or write something—maybe Deaf people visualize a sequence of movements as a sentence.When I read, I only "hear" the pronunciation if I slow down and really sink into the dialogue—otherwise, I read much faster than my internal voice could ever articulate. Speech and hearing aren't strictly necessary for reading.
Personally, I feel like I have an inner voice more often than not, but yeah, articulation isn't required for reading. However, if we assume there’s a middle stage between learning to read and reading without articulation—where that inner voice is almost always present—the question is: what is the equivalent phenomenon for Deaf people?
It’s probably a sequence of finger movements that was paired with the letters they learned, much like sounds were paired for us.
steelskipper5 said:Someone on this forum recently threw out the idea that sign language isn't an actual language.
I mean, I feel like even after me rambling on about this at length, some people still don't quite get it.
The intricacies of our national tax compliance system, specifically regarding the mandatory electronic reporting requirements, continue to present a labyrinthine challenge for any serious business owner attempting to maintain impeccable records. It is quite frankly exhausting to navigate the sheer volume of digital documentation demanded by the IRS, which often feels less like a streamlined process and more like an endless exercise in bureaucratic endurance. One cannot help but feel that the complexity of these filing mandates serves little purpose other than to complicate the lives of honest taxpayers. stormyjackal46 says:
It is my firm conviction that those who lack a rigorous reading habit, along with children still in the formative stages of literacy, are the ones primarily listening rather than comprehending. Those occupying the tier immediately beneath them are the individuals who still find it necessary to physically move their lips while they read.
I am increasingly convinced that once a reader attains a certain level of seasoned proficiency, the act of reading ought to be liberated from the shackles of vocalization entirely. 🤷
bluewalker33 said:not sure how things work back home, but over here they can't just turn you away from a PhD program... discrimination is strictly against the law
bluewalker33 said:not sure how things work back home, but over here they can't just turn you away from a PhD program... discrimination is strictly against the law
bluewalker33 said:It honestly surprises me that you went with such a basic handle... I was actually shocked nobody snatched it up before me since it's just so plain and unoriginal 🙂
I can't even wrap my head around this question because I hear way too much. I’d have to be completely deaf to understand how they process all of this or how they keep it all straight in their heads. No matter how you look at it, they see images instead of letters—it's about grasping the core concept. They don't need voices to interpret every single symbol
Andrew Garcia2 said:Yeah, but that's mostly just on paper... the reality is a lot different. I have significant hearing loss, and honestly, I dealt with quite a bit of bullying growing up because of it. In this country, people with hearing impairments are basically pigeonholed into service jobs. It feels like there's almost no one out there who is deaf or hard of hearing but actually holds a high-level professional role. People finish their degrees, they work incredibly hard, but the American public just ignores them. Most people don't get it; they just see a disability. But I feel like we're just people, just like everyone else. My hearing loss wouldn't even be much of an issue if there were people who actually understood—people who would value me based on my actual skills rather than how well I can hear. I'm young, but my hearing is pretty bad, and in a few years, I'll probably be completely deaf. I'm already trying to prepare myself for the uphill battle of just finding a job. Because let’s be real... if even young, healthy, highly qualified people are struggling to find work, what chance do I have?