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How do people with congenital deafness master language and abstract reasoning?

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steelskipper5 steelskipper5 Active Member
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#41 ·
redmarlin3 said:But it’s actually pretty clever and funny once you realize the person behind it has some hearing issues. 🙂

[In case anyone missed this back-and-forth—all white cats are deaf. 😁 It's just in the genes. 😁]

Wait, aren't only blue-eyed white cats deaf? 🤔
redmarlin3 redmarlin3 Active Member
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#42 ·
steelskipper5 said:Wait, aren't only blue-eyed white cats deaf? 🤔

Yeah, well, I did a little digging on Google just now; it turns out not all white cats are deaf (they say it's around 80%), and if they have blue eyes, the odds go up significantly. But it’s not a hard rule—a white cat can definitely be deaf without having those blue eyes... 🤷

[Sorry for the off-topic tangent. 🙂]
steelskipper5 steelskipper5 Active Member
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#43 ·
redmarlin3 said:Yeah, well, I did a little digging on Google just now; it turns out not all white cats are deaf (they say it's around 80%), and if they have blue eyes, the odds go up significantly. But it’s not a hard rule—a white cat can definitely be deaf without having those blue eyes... 🤷

[Sorry for the off-topic tangent. 🙂]

Actually, I think I misspoke too; I meant to say those cats are basically destined to be deaf. At least, that’s how my high school biology teacher explained linked genes.
Andrew Garcia2 Andrew Garcia2 Member
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#44 ·
bluewalker33 said:Yeah, I get it. Everything gets so much more stigmatized back home.

The laws here basically protect anything that could be seen as being minimized, so you have to be careful.

It’s tough enough as it is, especially when people just don't get it—it would be way worse. Like, I went to visit my family over in the Midwest recently and wanted to hit up this shop a bit further out, but my aunt goes, "Why are you going out alone? You'll get carjacked." And I'm like, man... if I said that in Canada, I'd probably be reported for discrimination even though she was just looking out for me. But here, I'm cruising on six-lane highways behind the wheel of a car. They just can't wrap their heads around the fact that I actually drive. It's like they don't even believe I graduated college. Honestly, things can be pretty backward there; it’s a beautiful place, but the prejudice is real. Just gotta stay strong and fight it. America is definitely more modern, so it's easier to push back against that stuff. This whole thing happened while I was visiting the Midwest.

I know the feeling. I've grown used to people not understanding... it's just a daily thing. My mom is actually ashamed to tell her close friends that her hearing isn't great, because she feels like not everyone needs to know... I guess that says enough, doesn't it?
Anyway, I'm going to make it in life, even if the path is harder. I might not have perfect hearing, but I've got the skills and the will... and that's what matters most, right?
Andrew Garcia2 Andrew Garcia2 Member
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#45 ·
redmarlin3 said:Look, just some encouragement here: I know a woman who is hard of hearing and she works as a high school teacher. 🙂
Something will turn up eventually, sooner or later...

Really? And how does she manage? It's honestly so good to hear about examples like that.🙂
redmarlin3 redmarlin3 Active Member
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#46 ·
Andrew Garcia2 said:Really? And how does she manage? It's honestly so good to hear about examples like that.🙂

So, I actually met her during a teacher certification course—you know, that one everyone with an engineering degree has to pass to get licensed—and she already had a job lined up back then. She just needed to clear that exam to secure her permanent contract. Honestly, kill me now, but I can't quite remember her exact subject... I think it was math. 🤔

My elementary school used some kind of integrated program with the local services for the deaf, so there were always a few kids in every class who were deaf or hard of hearing. Because of that, we all grew up communicating and hanging out with them from day one; they never felt "different" to us at all. We even learned how to finger-spell using sign language 😁. I can't believe I still remember that... 🤣

Regarding what happened with your mom 👎... I can't believe it. No wonder you aren't exactly the optimist type. 🙂 And yeah, you're right; having the drive and the actual ability is what matters most. 😉
bluewalker33 bluewalker33 Member
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#47 ·
It really just comes down to having enough grit to prove people wrong... You’d be surprised how many cowards out there have zero drive or backbone, yet they still think they have a say in what you do. Those internal flaws people carry? They're way bigger roadblocks to success than anything else...

You'll run into discrimination here and there, sure, but if your willpower is solid, you can push past it. It’s weird how some things just click for us while others feel impossible—that's where our intuition and strength come from. It’s even harder to wrap your head around the quiet ones who just grind through obstacles without making a scene. Some of them actually make it in life despite the odds. But honestly, it’s all about heart. If your soul is alive, it hears everything...

Regarding your mom, I get it—people can be pretty toxic—but that’s still not the best way to handle things when it comes to her daughter. My own mom isn't exactly the cheerleader type; the second I hit a minor setback, she starts doubting if I'll even make it through... But now that I'm getting close to the finish line, I'm starting to believe I'll actually pull through my fourth year of college, even if it's been a hell of a struggle.
Andrew Garcia2 Andrew Garcia2 Member
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#48 ·
bluewalker33 said:It really just comes down to having enough grit to prove people wrong... You’d be surprised how many cowards out there have zero drive or backbone, yet they still think they have a say in what you do. Those internal flaws people carry? They're way bigger roadblocks to success than anything else...

You'll run into discrimination here and there, sure, but if your willpower is solid, you can push past it. It’s weird how some things just click for us while others feel impossible—that's where our intuition and strength come from. It’s even harder to wrap your head around the quiet ones who just grind through obstacles without making a scene. Some of them actually make it in life despite the odds. But honestly, it’s all about heart. If your soul is alive, it hears everything...

Regarding your mom, I get it—people can be pretty toxic—but that’s still not the best way to handle things when it comes to her daughter. My own mom isn't exactly the cheerleader type; the second I hit a minor setback, she starts doubting if I'll even make it through... But now that I'm getting close to the finish line, I'm starting to believe I'll actually pull through my fourth year of college, even if it's been a hell of a struggle.

redmarlin3, I got some kind of error so I'm responding like this... you're from a big city like Chicago, I assume? Growing up, I was the only hard-of-hearing kid in my elementary school, and I'm still the only one in high school, except for one guy who is deaf, but he's graduating soon anyway. How did people socialize in your circles? I've always been a bit of an outsider, but being the only one meant I was constantly picked on, so it's no wonder.😁
bluewalker33, I get why she acts that way, but I still don't get why her close friends would treat me differently or look at me differently because of it... I don't experience it that way. Maybe I haven't truly put myself in her shoes, either. Because of my hearing loss, people actually pushed me twice as hard to study and work, though honestly, most of that depends on me. I don't go looking for special treatment or perks despite the handicap; I just try my best to achieve whatever I can. It's different from some people who are hard-of-hearing and just claim they can't do anything, constantly complaining about how hard it is. When things get tough for me—because there are days when the frustration over my hearing just builds up—I still don't go around whining. There's no point, and nobody would understand anyway.🙂
bluewalker33 bluewalker33 Member
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#49 ·
I totally get you... Haven't lived in the States for a long time. Growing up, my neighborhood was great and everyone loved me, but elementary school was a different story. Kids could be real jerks, and I dealt with bullying pretty much constantly.

By high school, I’d grown into a cute girl, so guys started hitting on me. It actually confused some of them, considering how much I went through back in grade school. The funniest part was when I started dating—it wasn't my first boyfriend, obviously—and this one guy from elementary school who used to give me such a hard time actually acted surprised. He kept questioning my relationship, acting all jealous once he realized he'd actually grown into a decent-looking guy himself, even though he still wasn't exactly my type.

Now I'm living in Canada, and there's way less discrimination against people with disabilities. People don't really stare if you aren't dressed to the nines. There isn't nearly as much stigma as you find back home, though it still exists. And even the small amount of stigma here feels like too much sometimes, but after visiting Canada after ten years, I was honestly shocked by how much worse things are over there.

It's tough carrying this handicap most days. Sometimes I just have this intense craving to hear things more clearly. When you only have what's left of your hearing, you know what it's like to actually enjoy a favorite song. But I still wish I had better hearing—to hear natural tones without a hearing aid, or to catch every single word in an American drama... but yeah. Since our disability is invisible, people don't always get it because you can't see it, but it affects us maybe even more than those around us, just because we crave that perfect, natural sound.

Some people around here claim to be "proud" of their disability, but I'll put it this way: I'm proud of who I am and everything I've managed to achieve so far. I can say I'm proud of navigating this obstacle, but if I'm being honest, I'd much rather be proud of having better hearing...
Andrew Garcia2 Andrew Garcia2 Member
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#50 ·
bluewalker33 said:I totally get you... Haven't lived in the States for a long time. Growing up, my neighborhood was great and everyone loved me, but elementary school was a different story. Kids could be real jerks, and I dealt with bullying pretty much constantly.

By high school, I’d grown into a cute girl, so guys started hitting on me. It actually confused some of them, considering how much I went through back in grade school. The funniest part was when I started dating—it wasn't my first boyfriend, obviously—and this one guy from elementary school who used to give me such a hard time actually acted surprised. He kept questioning my relationship, acting all jealous once he realized he'd actually grown into a decent-looking guy himself, even though he still wasn't exactly my type.

Now I'm living in Canada, and there's way less discrimination against people with disabilities. People don't really stare if you aren't dressed to the nines. There isn't nearly as much stigma as you find back home, though it still exists. And even the small amount of stigma here feels like too much sometimes, but after visiting Canada after ten years, I was honestly shocked by how much worse things are over there.

It's tough carrying this handicap most days. Sometimes I just have this intense craving to hear things more clearly. When you only have what's left of your hearing, you know what it's like to actually enjoy a favorite song. But I still wish I had better hearing—to hear natural tones without a hearing aid, or to catch every single word in an American drama... but yeah. Since our disability is invisible, people don't always get it because you can't see it, but it affects us maybe even more than those around us, just because we crave that perfect, natural sound.

Some people around here claim to be "proud" of their disability, but I'll put it this way: I'm proud of who I am and everything I've managed to achieve so far. I can say I'm proud of navigating this obstacle, but if I'm being honest, I'd much rather be proud of having better hearing...

I know how that feels. I actually avoided getting into relationships for a long time because of my own disability... but I'm finally seeing someone now. He really gets me, and he's been such an incredible support system. 🙂It’s actually kind of nice having someone here who just doesn't get it. Even if you don't understand, at least you're present. I can't tell you how many times I've sat on the bus—usually a ride longer than an hour—just wishing I could rip these devices off my face. I dream about just putting on some headphones and getting lost in music, but I can't. I have to wear them. All the time. My ears ache, my head throbs, and there's this constant whistling sound. It's exhausting. Honestly? I feel like I’d sell my soul to the devil just to have normal hearing again. I really mean that.
bluewalker33 bluewalker33 Member
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#51 ·
Yeah, I know exactly how it feels... That’s why we tend to be a bit more on edge than most people; that ringing in your ears isn't exactly a pleasant soundtrack to live with. I don't wear hearing aids at home, I just lip-read my family, and if I miss something, I just let it slide... Nothing's ever that urgent anyway.

As for guys, you really have to sit them down and have a real, deep conversation to explain what it's actually like living with this. Some of them end up loving you even more because of it, while others just run for the hills out of fear 🙂.

I've never been super open about it—not really. You have to be blunt and tell them exactly how it affects you... But maybe next time when I meet someone new. Actually, I met a guy today and we're grabbing coffee tomorrow; he's about eight years younger than me, so I doubt we'll get serious... But who knows what's going to happen. At least I won't be bored during summer break with him around. He's new in town and hasn't met many people yet.
Andrew Garcia2 Andrew Garcia2 Member
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#52 ·
bluewalker33 said:Yeah, I know exactly how it feels... That’s why we tend to be a bit more on edge than most people; that ringing in your ears isn't exactly a pleasant soundtrack to live with. I don't wear hearing aids at home, I just lip-read my family, and if I miss something, I just let it slide... Nothing's ever that urgent anyway.

As for guys, you really have to sit them down and have a real, deep conversation to explain what it's actually like living with this. Some of them end up loving you even more because of it, while others just run for the hills out of fear 🙂.

I've never been super open about it—not really. You have to be blunt and tell them exactly how it affects you... But maybe next time when I meet someone new. Actually, I met a guy today and we're grabbing coffee tomorrow; he's about eight years younger than me, so I doubt we'll get serious... But who knows what's going to happen. At least I won't be bored during summer break with him around. He's new in town and hasn't met many people yet.

Yeah, because we're always thinking ahead, analyzing things before we even take the first step (that's a bit metaphorical, but you get what I mean?). I told a guy about the issues I have, but I didn't tell him how it actually makes me *feel*. That's my business, and I don't want anyone prying into that... And man, that metallic sound is just awful. If only they could build some kind of noise neutralizer into the hearing aids, or at least make the feedback less jarring... Anyway, how do you deal with people? Do they notice when something is off with your hearing? This thread about being deaf turned into a whole thread about us, the hard-of-hearing 😛
bluewalker33 bluewalker33 Member
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#53 ·
I talk to them normally, though I'll shout "WHAT?" once in a while and get the usual look... But the real issue is the audio on the TV when some American movie is playing. It sounds nasty and I can't always make out what they're saying.

Tech has come a long way with these digital tones, but even then, it’s never quite sounded natural. Still, technology keeps moving forward, so there's hope. Honestly, sometimes I'll just pull my hair back in a ponytail at school and hope someone notices the hearing aids... or maybe I'll just tell them myself that I can't hear and ask them to speak up a bit...
Andrew Garcia2 Andrew Garcia2 Member
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#54 ·
bluewalker33 said:I talk to them normally, though I'll shout "WHAT?" once in a while and get the usual look... But the real issue is the audio on the TV when some American movie is playing. It sounds nasty and I can't always make out what they're saying.

Tech has come a long way with these digital tones, but even then, it’s never quite sounded natural. Still, technology keeps moving forward, so there's hope. Honestly, sometimes I'll just pull my hair back in a ponytail at school and hope someone notices the hearing aids... or maybe I'll just tell them myself that I can't hear and ask them to speak up a bit...

I get that. That's actually why I don't watch much TV, and don't even get me started on those old classic films from around here... I struggle to follow them, even though some of them are absolute masterpieces. But damn it, my hearing sucks, if you'll excuse my language... Sometimes I just cover my ears, or pull a few strands of hair down over them—sort of a "bohemian artist" look. It actually looks pretty good 😁... but I'm really putting my faith in technology and medicine. I'm hoping for their breakthroughs, that one day there will be a device you can implant in your ear so we can just hear again... but maybe that's just wishful thinking. 🤣
Aaron Anderson72 Aaron Anderson72 Active Member
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#55 ·
Honestly, I’m not even surprised by how they think, it’s just how ABSTRACTLY they process everything!
Most of us probably think in images when we're dealing with real stuff—like what to grab for dinner—but when it comes to abstract ideas, I definitely need words to shape and direct those random flashes of thought. It's like there's no other way to pin down an abstract concept than by using language!
bluewalker33 bluewalker33 Member
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#56 ·
It’s all twisted and backwards. People say a picture is worth a thousand words, and that’s exactly where they get stuck in these abstract loops... Gestures and imagery can hit hard enough to trigger that kind of thinking. Hearing people might lean into visuals, but those who can't hear are on a whole different level since our eyes have to do all the heavy lifting for what we're missing.
redmarlin3 redmarlin3 Active Member
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#57 ·
Andrew Garcia2 said:redmarlin3, I got some kind of error so I'm responding like this... you're from a big city like Chicago, I assume? Growing up, I was the only hard-of-hearing kid in my elementary school, and I'm still the only one in high school, except for one guy who is deaf, but he's graduating soon anyway. How did people socialize in your circles? I've always been a bit of an outsider, but being the only one meant I was constantly picked on, so it's no wonder.😁
bluewalker33, I get why she acts that way, but I still don't get why her close friends would treat me differently or look at me differently because of it... I don't experience it that way. Maybe I haven't truly put myself in her shoes, either. Because of my hearing loss, people actually pushed me twice as hard to study and work, though honestly, most of that depends on me. I don't go looking for special treatment or perks despite the handicap; I just try my best to achieve whatever I can. It's different from some people who are hard-of-hearing and just claim they can't do anything, constantly complaining about how hard it is. When things get tough for me—because there are days when the frustration over my hearing just builds up—I still don't go around whining. There's no point, and nobody would understand anyway.🙂

Yap, NYC. 🙂 As for socialization, I don't think it went particularly well. See, deaf kids would head straight to the FBI after school for daycare, so they didn't really hang out with the rest of us much. They mostly just stuck together with the other deaf kids.
Andrew Garcia2 Andrew Garcia2 Member
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#58 ·
redmarlin3 said:Yap, NYC. 🙂 As for socialization, I don't think it went particularly well. See, deaf kids would head straight to the FBI after school for daycare, so they didn't really hang out with the rest of us much. They mostly just stuck together with the other deaf kids.

I guess you just stick with your own kind🙂..for me, I didn't have any kids like me growing up in my neighborhood, so I was forced to hang out with kids who weren't like me... I really wish there had been at least one other deaf kid around. It would've been nice to have that psychological support, and more importantly, someone who actually understands what I'm going through.
crimsontinker7 crimsontinker7 Member
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#59 ·
I’ve been wondering lately... what kind of dreams do blind people actually have? hmmm...
bluewalker33 bluewalker33 Member
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#60 ·
I read somewhere that they don't even dream

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