Reallocating my life energy...!!

wearyhawk83 said:Alright, so we're talking about using the identical words, not just interpreting them differently?

Everything Joseph Cook7 has been posting lately—honestly, that’s exactly how I live my life. I can say with total certainty that I’m living life to the fullest compared to most people. I would never go back to living like an average Joe because I remember what that was like, and man, it was pretty bleak.

Look, I get that you dig those sources and find them useful, but that wasn't my question. My original point still hasn't been addressed.

And I’d really love it if Joseph Cook7 could weigh in on this. It seems like everyone else is fine with it except me, probably because they think I'm just trying to stir the pot. But honestly, acting solely on assumptions is the opposite of being an Aztec warrior, and it definitely flies in the face of the Four Agreements.

Thanks in advance for the replies!

Look, there’s nothing wrong with referencing a text.

What’s the big deal?

Personally, I don't have enough juice to turn Nagual knowledge into spoken words—trying to put the indescribable into language requires a massive amount of energy.

The guy who actually passed that knowledge down was Juan—an 80-year-old, flawless warrior—and he had the sheer capacity to tell it.

So, if I wanted to explain this stuff to you, there's no harm in me grabbing a book to help me give you the answer you're looking for.

I haven't really used them before, and you can probably tell by my posts that I tend to be a bit more rigid and heavy-handed compared to Joseph Cook7. Now, since Joseph Cook7 is probably twenty-something years older than me, he’s likely gathered more inner power and can melt that knowledge into words—or even if he's just using a book to help, it's fine. It’s just a way to save your own energy.

At the end of the day, all that matters is that you actually get the answer to the question you asked.

That's pretty much it...

😉

rustymaker5 said:I’ve been doing a bit of deep diving on Google lately, trying to wrap my head around this whole tensegrity thing, but honestly... there are just zero good diagrams or visual guides for actual exercises out there, aside from one lonely little clip...
Is there any other kind of visual material out there where someone could actually figure out the movements on their own without having to drive all the way to a gym or something?

YouTube 😉

wearyhawk83 said:Easy 🙂

I'm not sure, which is why I'm asking. It feels like we need to take these interpretations with a grain of salt and look a bit deeper. Like, you wouldn't take every word in the Bible literally and call it a day, right? You get what I'm saying?

What’s even the point of this thread if I can't ask a question that might rub some people the wrong way, especially when I'm definitely not trying to insult anyone.
Don't you think questioning things is totally necessary? And let's be real, there's always going to be a few haters in every group, right?

Man, this is a total 180 from your first post where you were denying our take... now suddenly you "don't know," which—fine—is human enough, I guess...
Talking about the Toltec Way is pretty much pointless if you aren't even familiar with it—it's a fundamentally different worldview than what we're used to here in the States. It’s like trying to explain shades and hues to a colorblind person; it's just a waste of breath. Same thing here—we can't even settle on a single topic because you haven't actually read any of this stuff.
Don't sweat it thinking you offended anyone, because you didn't. But we keep having to point out that we can't really talk to you since you lack the basic concepts of the subject—and if we don't have a common ground, there's just nowhere for the discussion to go.

rustymaker5 said:I’ve been doing a bit of deep diving on Google lately, trying to wrap my head around this whole tensegrity thing, but honestly... there are just zero good diagrams or visual guides for actual exercises out there, aside from one lonely little clip...
Is there any other kind of visual material out there where someone could actually figure out the movements on their own without having to drive all the way to a gym or something?

Check out the book called "magical movement"—it's published by "ambrosia" over in Washington, D.C., located at 12 Goran Street, Washington, D.C. You can reach them at 202-555-0142 or 202-555-0125.
That book actually has photos illustrating the specific movements...!!

Joseph Cook7 said:Man, this is a total 180 from your first post where you were denying our take... now suddenly you "don't know," which—fine—is human enough, I guess...
Talking about the Toltec Way is pretty much pointless if you aren't even familiar with it—it's a fundamentally different worldview than what we're used to here in the States. It’s like trying to explain shades and hues to a colorblind person; it's just a waste of breath. Same thing here—we can't even settle on a single topic because you haven't actually read any of this stuff.
Don't sweat it thinking you offended anyone, because you didn't. But we keep having to point out that we can't really talk to you since you lack the basic concepts of the subject—and if we don't have a common ground, there's just nowhere for the discussion to go.

And what exactly did I deny? I said, "It seems that way to me, or maybe I'm wrong," at the end. If that counts as denying things and being uncool, then fine. By the way, I know my tone can be pretty persuasive, but try to look past it. If I can stay chill at 25 and not take stuff personally even in bad situations, then someone much older should be able to do the same. I don't always talk like this, but sometimes there's no other way, though I still think it's better to speak up than just stay silent.

Talking about the Toltec Way is super rare for someone who isn't familiar with it at all, because it’s a fundamentally different worldview compared to our usual way of seeing things.

Wait, where did this idea come from that I'm not familiar with it or the works of Castaneda? Did that just not cross your mind, or is it just impossible for someone to be familiar with this stuff without treating it like their own personal Bible instead of keeping an authentic perspective on existence?

Basically, trying to discuss colors and shades with a colorblind person is just silly and pointless, and that's exactly what's happening here since we can't even land on one topic because you haven't read any of this.

I'm seriously wondering what the point of this thread is when it's just you and Zachary Cook2 going back and forth, and it's set up so that half the text is just copied and pasted just to "enlighten" certain people. Honestly, if you want to do that, start a blog—there's always room for a blogger. 👍 But in that case, I'd suggest taking a quick refresher course on basic grammar if you aren't from the US, because it's pretty rough seeing typos like that.

Don't stress about feeling like you offended anyone, because you didn't. But we constantly have to signal to you that we can't really talk to you because you lack the basic concepts of the subject, which means we have no common ground to actually hold a discussion.

Thanks again for the discriminatory comments. I feel like I'm at a cult meeting where you can't ask a question without getting a shallow answer that has nothing to do with what you asked, just some quotes that are miles away from the core of my question.

And hey, don't go feeling offended yourselves either.

@Zachary Cook2

Look, there's nothing wrong with copying text.

I never said doing that was bad, so stop taking my words out of context. Thanks.🙂

I didn't ask that just to jump to a conclusion, honestly. I asked because most posts here feel like they’re totally missing a real sense of personality. When you don't see that individual spark, it makes me wonder if people are actually thinking for themselves or just blindly following the crowd.
There's zero point in having a debate if everyone is just throwing stuff out there without actually processing it first. If you aren't truly "digesting" the info, you might as well just grab the source material and read it yourself—you'll learn way more that way!

wearyhawk83 said:And what exactly did I deny? I said, "It seems that way to me, or maybe I'm wrong," at the end. If that counts as denying things and being uncool, then fine. By the way, I know my tone can be pretty persuasive, but try to look past it. If I can stay chill at 25 and not take stuff personally even in bad situations, then someone much older should be able to do the same. I don't always talk like this, but sometimes there's no other way, though I still think it's better to speak up than just stay silent.

Talking about the Toltec Way is super rare for someone who isn't familiar with it at all, because it’s a fundamentally different worldview compared to our usual way of seeing things.

Wait, where did this idea come from that I'm not familiar with it or the works of Castaneda? Did that just not cross your mind, or is it just impossible for someone to be familiar with this stuff without treating it like their own personal Bible instead of keeping an authentic perspective on existence?

Basically, trying to discuss colors and shades with a colorblind person is just silly and pointless, and that's exactly what's happening here since we can't even land on one topic because you haven't read any of this.

I'm seriously wondering what the point of this thread is when it's just you and Zachary Cook2 going back and forth, and it's set up so that half the text is just copied and pasted just to "enlighten" certain people. Honestly, if you want to do that, start a blog—there's always room for a blogger. 👍 But in that case, I'd suggest taking a quick refresher course on basic grammar if you aren't from the US, because it's pretty rough seeing typos like that.

Don't stress about feeling like you offended anyone, because you didn't. But we constantly have to signal to you that we can't really talk to you because you lack the basic concepts of the subject, which means we have no common ground to actually hold a discussion.

Thanks again for the discriminatory comments. I feel like I'm at a cult meeting where you can't ask a question without getting a shallow answer that has nothing to do with what you asked, just some quotes that are miles away from the core of my question.

And hey, don't go feeling offended yourselves either.

@Zachary Cook2

Look, there's nothing wrong with copying text.

I never said doing that was bad, so stop taking my words out of context. Thanks.🙂

I didn't ask that just to jump to a conclusion, honestly. I asked because most posts here feel like they’re totally missing a real sense of personality. When you don't see that individual spark, it makes me wonder if people are actually thinking for themselves or just blindly following the crowd.
There's zero point in having a debate if everyone is just throwing stuff out there without actually processing it first. If you aren't truly "digesting" the info, you might as well just grab the source material and read it yourself—you'll learn way more that way!

Go ahead, keep going. I'm right here whenever you need me.👍

Where did this idea come from—that I'm not familiar with the subject or even with Castaneda's work? Did it just not cross your mind, or is it simply impossible for someone to be well-versed in something like this without treating it like their own Bible and losing their sense of autonomy and perspective on existence?

There's a massive difference between being informed and actually practicing it. Plenty of people have read the books only to decide they'd rather just stick to reading Stephen King.😂

A Bible?! I don't get why you're comparing millennia of practical knowledge to a thousand years of faith without any actual practice involved!

Honestly, I'm wondering what the point of this thread is when it's just you and Zachary Cook2 debating, and half the text feels like it was just copied and pasted just to "enlighten" a select few. If you want to lecture people, start a blog; it's never too late to become a blogger. 👍 In that case, though, I'd suggest taking a quick refresher course on basic American grammar if you aren't a native speaker, because seeing typos like that is pretty grating.

Grammar? Since when does that even matter?! Is it really that important?!😂
And why shouldn't the two of us sit here and swap experiences? Either jump into the discussion or opt out—the choice is yours.
👍

Thanks again for the discriminatory remarks. It feels like being in a cult where you can't ask a question without getting some shallow answer that barely touches on the point, just quoting stuff that’s miles away from the essence of what I actually asked.

Well, you got all your answers, and they were pretty damn precise.

And hey, don't go taking this personally either.

Not a chance—honestly, I’d probably do more!👍

@Zachary Cook2

Look, I never said it was bad, so quit pulling my words out of context. Thanks. 🙂

My bad if I messed up here.

I didn't ask just to jump to conclusions; I asked because these posts are chronically lacking any individual authenticity. When that's missing, I have to wonder if people are actually thinking for themselves or just blindly following the herd.
There's no point in debating if things are just being "thrown out there" without any actual order or personal "digestion." In that case, you might as well just grab the material and read it yourself—you'll learn way more that way.

Well, then pick it up and share your own take with us.

👍

Zachary Cook2 said:Go ahead, keep going. I'm right here whenever you need me.👍

Where did this idea come from—that I'm not familiar with the subject or even with Castaneda's work? Did it just not cross your mind, or is it simply impossible for someone to be well-versed in something like this without treating it like their own Bible and losing their sense of autonomy and perspective on existence?

There's a massive difference between being informed and actually practicing it. Plenty of people have read the books only to decide they'd rather just stick to reading Stephen King.😂

A Bible?! I don't get why you're comparing millennia of practical knowledge to a thousand years of faith without any actual practice involved!

Honestly, I'm wondering what the point of this thread is when it's just you and Zachary Cook2 debating, and half the text feels like it was just copied and pasted just to "enlighten" a select few. If you want to lecture people, start a blog; it's never too late to become a blogger. 👍 In that case, though, I'd suggest taking a quick refresher course on basic American grammar if you aren't a native speaker, because seeing typos like that is pretty grating.

Grammar? Since when does that even matter?! Is it really that important?!😂
And why shouldn't the two of us sit here and swap experiences? Either jump into the discussion or opt out—the choice is yours.
👍

Thanks again for the discriminatory remarks. It feels like being in a cult where you can't ask a question without getting some shallow answer that barely touches on the point, just quoting stuff that’s miles away from the essence of what I actually asked.

Well, you got all your answers, and they were pretty damn precise.

And hey, don't go taking this personally either.

Not a chance—honestly, I’d probably do more!👍

@Zachary Cook2

Look, I never said it was bad, so quit pulling my words out of context. Thanks. 🙂

My bad if I messed up here.

I didn't ask just to jump to conclusions; I asked because these posts are chronically lacking any individual authenticity. When that's missing, I have to wonder if people are actually thinking for themselves or just blindly following the herd.
There's no point in debating if things are just being "thrown out there" without any actual order or personal "digestion." In that case, you might as well just grab the material and read it yourself—you'll learn way more that way.

Well, then pick it up and share your own take with us.

👍

Fine, then just rename the thread to "Expert Access Only: Minimum 5 Years Experience Required." Seriously, what’s even the point of having a discussion if you’re just going to dodge any questions that challenge your take? If you want to ignore everyone else, go ahead—everyone can just stick to their own little circles if you can't handle a real conversation.

Hey, let's not be too hard on Stephen King! 😉

The Bible?! I seriously don't get it. Why on earth are you comparing thousands of years of actual, hands-on practice to just thousands of years of faith without any of the work?

Seriously, just go back and read my statement one more time! Tell me exactly how you think I'm using the word "bible" here. Thanks again! 🙂

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Grammar? Seriously, who even cares about that?! Is it even that big of a deal?!😂

Who even are you, defending them? Seriously! That was just a total tangent, and honestly, I’m just trying to drop some good vibes here. If I do say so myself, what I'm saying might actually be the most useful thing anyone's posted in this entire thread!

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Man, you nailed it! You gave me every single answer I needed, and you were spot on with all of them.

Not really, honestly. Especially considering how things kicked off when man o was getting involved at the start. Like I said, there's just a massive gap between us, and man, that’s a real shame.

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My bad if I messed anything up!

My bad! 🙂

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So, seriously, just grab it and lay it all out for us! We want to hear what you actually think.

Look, like I said before, I was just throwing out some questions. Honestly, the answers I got back were pretty underwhelming—even elementary schoolers could have written them better, and that goes for the actual people I was asking, too!

I’m gonna stop bugging you guys now. (And don't you dare think for a second that I have any idea what's actually going on here!) For real! Well, that's exactly why I sound this way!

Hey there! What's up? 👋

So, here’s the full thread with this kid going by the handle Samting. It’s pretty obvious to everyone reading this that he didn't join this forum to actually discuss the topic—he's just here to stir the pot with constant nitpicking, whether it's bad grammar or those clumsy, awkward comparisons. Honestly, he couldn't care less about the subject matter. So, look, kid—do me a favor and stop hitting me up. You and I clearly have nothing to talk about... thanks in advance.!!

wearyhawk83 said:Fine, then just rename the thread to "Expert Access Only: Minimum 5 Years Experience Required." Seriously, what’s even the point of having a discussion if you’re just going to dodge any questions that challenge your take? If you want to ignore everyone else, go ahead—everyone can just stick to their own little circles if you can't handle a real conversation.

Hey, let's not be too hard on Stephen King! 😉

The Bible?! I seriously don't get it. Why on earth are you comparing thousands of years of actual, hands-on practice to just thousands of years of faith without any of the work?

Seriously, just go back and read my statement one more time! Tell me exactly how you think I'm using the word "bible" here. Thanks again! 🙂

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Grammar? Seriously, who even cares about that?! Is it even that big of a deal?!😂

Who even are you, defending them? Seriously! That was just a total tangent, and honestly, I’m just trying to drop some good vibes here. If I do say so myself, what I'm saying might actually be the most useful thing anyone's posted in this entire thread!

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Man, you nailed it! You gave me every single answer I needed, and you were spot on with all of them.

Not really, honestly. Especially considering how things kicked off when man o was getting involved at the start. Like I said, there's just a massive gap between us, and man, that’s a real shame.

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My bad if I messed anything up!

My bad! 🙂

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So, seriously, just grab it and lay it all out for us! We want to hear what you actually think.

Look, like I said before, I was just throwing out some questions. Honestly, the answers I got back were pretty underwhelming—even elementary schoolers could have written them better, and that goes for the actual people I was asking, too!

I’m gonna stop bugging you guys now. (And don't you dare think for a second that I have any idea what's actually going on here!) For real! Well, that's exactly why I sound this way!

Hey there! What's up? 👋

Look, I wish you the best—you're definitely going to need it!👍

Think of the energetic egg as this core part of who we are—basically our whole essence. It’s full of these little energy swirls, but there are four massive ones where all the actual life force is tucked away. The thing is, this energy tends to drift away from the main centers in your body, sliding toward the edges of the egg over time until it builds up into this kind of outer shell. You can find these energy centers sitting right along the bottom edges of your ribcage on both sides, just in front of your kidneys, and down at the base of your neck.
The whole point of the magical movement for shifting energy is just getting that lost stuff back from the shell and driving it back into those internal centers—you know, the ribcage area and the kidney spots. By using specific body and arm movements, you basically stir the energy up and guide it back to the centers where it belongs.

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Joseph Cook7 said:Look, we can't exactly stop being human and part of a social circle called society... that much is obvious. In the Toltec way, there aren't any cookie-cutter templates or recipes I can just dictate to you for you to memorize. It's more about adopting new perspectives on the world that tear down the stereotypes and learned patterns this whole society is built on. Basically, they break the stereotype that this material world is fixed and unchangeable... that's their starting point and how they prove their point. The second thing is how they interact with the world and the people around them—it's a specific approach called controlled madness . The term comes from the idea that human behavior is inherently crazy, so they use controlled madness as a defense mechanism. It means the warrior adapts to society instead of standing apart from it—they work, they struggle, they grind just like everyone else—but they're basically just playing along. Underneath that mask, they're as cool as ice and totally detached from all the human drama. That's about it for now...

Sometimes it happens spontaneously, and other times I lean into being a complete idiot on purpose... just pure, unadulterated stupidity... 😛 I try to conserve my energy, mostly because I have this tendency to give too much of myself away... I find myself getting sucked into someone else's movie, desperate to truly understand... 🙄It’s like some kind of energy vampire latches onto me and just won't let go, staring me down with this relentless, unblinking intensity... and the more they try to drain me, the harder it becomes to break free... 😠

I mean, I’ve definitely mastered the art of playing the fool for this society... It happens rarely and usually only when the mood strikes me... levels... The energies involved—that sense of being present, the relaxation in the moment, the level of composure... it all starts out naturally, but over time it becomes more frequent and intentional, growing proportionally... It seems like things are starting to pick up... If this really is all about energies... then I suppose I’m planning on becoming a complete idiot at record speed... 🤣
There's also this sense that all this acting feels somewhat hollow, a kind of surface-level absurdity regarding human existence that pales in comparison to my own experience of actual meaning...

Joseph Cook7, would you say that spontaneously playing along with society or just letting things slide counts as controlled madness, or does it actually require a certain level of skill developed through intense self-work? It feels like a bit of a silly question, since you really only reach that point after doing the work... energy...But still, I find myself curious about what an expert has to say on the matter...

Is it actually possible to experience a sense of purpose and the joy of being during the process of transformation—to feel comfortable in one's own skin and in the company of others—or is the defining characteristic truly this coldness, which strikes me as nothing more than a profound sense of emptiness and the sheer meaninglessness of existence... 😢

The concept of controlled madness feels absolutely brilliant... 🙏

Nancy Harris6 said:Quote: Inside Silence

Sometimes it happens spontaneously, and other times I lean into being a complete idiot on purpose... just pure, unadulterated stupidity... 😛 I try to conserve my energy, mostly because I have this tendency to give too much of myself away... I find myself getting sucked into someone else's movie, desperate to truly understand... 🙄It’s like some kind of energy vampire latches onto me and just won't let go, staring me down with this relentless, unblinking intensity... and the more they try to drain me, the harder it becomes to break free... 😠

I mean, I’ve definitely mastered the art of playing the fool for this society... It happens rarely and usually only when the mood strikes me... levels... The energies involved—that sense of being present, the relaxation in the moment, the level of composure... it all starts out naturally, but over time it becomes more frequent and intentional, growing proportionally... It seems like things are starting to pick up... If this really is all about energies... then I suppose I’m planning on becoming a complete idiot at record speed... 🤣
There's also this sense that all this acting feels somewhat hollow, a kind of surface-level absurdity regarding human existence that pales in comparison to my own experience of actual meaning...

Joseph Cook7, would you say that spontaneously playing along with society or just letting things slide counts as controlled madness, or does it actually require a certain level of skill developed through intense self-work? It feels like a bit of a silly question, since you really only reach that point after doing the work... energy...But still, I find myself curious about what an expert has to say on the matter...

Is it actually possible to experience a sense of purpose and the joy of being during the process of transformation—to feel comfortable in one's own skin and in the company of others—or is the defining characteristic truly this coldness, which strikes me as nothing more than a profound sense of emptiness and the sheer meaninglessness of existence... 😢

The concept of controlled madness feels absolutely brilliant... 🙏

Well, what you're doing definitely isn't "controlled madness"—that technique is damn complicated, and let's be real, even I haven't mastered it yet. It's not about being uninterested or just acting like a moron because we all have those impulses sometimes. It's actually achieving a total detachment from this world while still staying active within it... basically, having zero internal drives or expectations regarding whatever you're doing. You just try to do your absolute best at a task, and when it's done, you walk away without giving a single damn about the results.
I've tried to give you a rough framework for what "controlled madness" looks like, but you can't really explain it—it's more of an internal shift in how you view the entire world.

Joseph Cook7 said:Well, what you're doing definitely isn't "controlled madness"—that technique is damn complicated, and let's be real, even I haven't mastered it yet. It's not about being uninterested or just acting like a moron because we all have those impulses sometimes. It's actually achieving a total detachment from this world while still staying active within it... basically, having zero internal drives or expectations regarding whatever you're doing. You just try to do your absolute best at a task, and when it's done, you walk away without giving a single damn about the results.
I've tried to give you a rough framework for what "controlled madness" looks like, but you can't really explain it—it's more of an internal shift in how you view the entire world.

Aha. Great. I'm glad to hear it's a specific technique, because it sounded a bit absurd, like mere foolishness. 😍 I feel a strange sense of relief...

I have quite a few questions...

Does this mean a complete—as maximal as possible, if I may say so—merging with what is, characterized by zero expectations and a mind that is entirely silenced? Living in the here and now. Without thought.
You mention this technique (mental silence) is incredibly complex, yet simultaneously, it seems to be the simplest thing imaginable... difficult, but exceptionally straightforward.
In this context, is inner silence the tool used to reach controlled madness, which would serve as the ultimate goal? Something like: using the silence of the mind to step-by-step reach a final, absolute stillness. Or am I off base? 🤔
Please, provide some details. 🙂

How long does one spend mastering this technique, and is it even possible to truly master it within a single lifetime? What is the primary hurdle or difficulty? How can one make the process as smooth as possible? Is mastery reserved only for the "chosen few"—those possessing specific traits like persistence, optimism, composure, or a slower pace of life? If so, how does one reshape their character to make the path easier?

There is a vast difference between talking about this technique and actually mastering it... it sounds like a personal rebirth and the ultimate attainment of freedom.
From what I gather, this is the life goal or mission of every human being, which means it is worth every ounce of effort and every single step; it certainly isn't achieved by accident, let alone overnight. One has to conquer their own demons.
Is this about overcoming duality in some way, rising above the shackles of the material world, and finding a balance between the spiritual and physical realms?
Is it a complete and fundamental overhaul of one's mental framework and perception?
The ultimate correctness and Truth, in the sense of living out one's own authenticity?

Am I closer to understanding controlled madness now?

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Zachary Cook2 said:Heh, try running backward—you'll see how fast that shuts down your internal monologue.😉

Yeah, once you kill the mental noise, that's when you're actually present in the moment. You nailed it, and I'm glad you did.🙂

I honestly feel like I don't know anything yet, so if my ignorance can somehow be helpful to you, then I'm happy.🤷

I picked that handle myself once I became aware of the silence and realized I wasn't constantly talking to myself in my head. It felt like a good way to mark that turning point for me.

🙂

I took your advice and stepped back for a bit—not only did my mind go completely silent (as in, there wasn't the slightest chance of a single thought drifting in), but I also felt... Better... It’s like running ahead of oneself—that kind of profound mental stillness where you just stumble into this overwhelming sense of happiness... More intense... I felt it...

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Zachary Cook2 said:Heh, try running backward—you'll see how fast that shuts down your internal monologue.😉

Yeah, once you kill the mental noise, that's when you're actually present in the moment. You nailed it, and I'm glad you did.🙂

I honestly feel like I don't know anything yet, so if my ignorance can somehow be helpful to you, then I'm happy.🤷

I picked that handle myself once I became aware of the silence and realized I wasn't constantly talking to myself in my head. It felt like a good way to mark that turning point for me.

🙂

It all comes down to consciousness. I’ve come to realize that mental stillness—that quietude where the internal dialogue finally ceases—is essentially what it means to be conscious in the present moment. Silencing those thoughts is the fundamental prerequisite for stepping into NOW. And honestly, grasping this... it’s been more rewarding to me than anything else in this world... 🙏 Now it’s just a matter of turning all that knowledge into actual practice... That’s where the real artistry lies—it’s easy enough to talk about it or dwell on the theory... It seems like such a waste, all the wisdom in the world if it never meets real-world application, doesn't it...

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Zachary Cook2 said:Heh, try running backward—you'll see how fast that shuts down your internal monologue.😉

Yeah, once you kill the mental noise, that's when you're actually present in the moment. You nailed it, and I'm glad you did.🙂

I honestly feel like I don't know anything yet, so if my ignorance can somehow be helpful to you, then I'm happy.🤷

I picked that handle myself once I became aware of the silence and realized I wasn't constantly talking to myself in my head. It felt like a good way to mark that turning point for me.

🙂

Maybe you could lend me a bit of that humility of yours—I feel like I’ve been throwing posts around this forum like some kind of heavy hitter, and I might be coming across as a little too full of myself... 🤷
How does one share their perspective without coming across as arrogant or overbearing...

I’m certain that you could offer far more than just me... anyone reading your words would find immense value in the knowledge and experience you possess, which truly is a treasure...

I have this growing sense that the more I actually learn, the less I truly know... which is the honest truth...

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Zachary Cook2 said:Heh, try running backward—you'll see how fast that shuts down your internal monologue.😉

Yeah, once you kill the mental noise, that's when you're actually present in the moment. You nailed it, and I'm glad you did.🙂

I honestly feel like I don't know anything yet, so if my ignorance can somehow be helpful to you, then I'm happy.🤷

I picked that handle myself once I became aware of the silence and realized I wasn't constantly talking to myself in my head. It felt like a good way to mark that turning point for me.

🙂

While flipping through Quote: Inside Silence, I thought perhaps you were inspired by the section from the Westwood series—those theories found within the book. The magic of inner silence, living in the now, and true awareness. It makes the story even more compelling if you were actually living out what you read...

I mentioned once that I had read a book by Carlos Castaneda. Specifically, "the art of dreaming." The book I actually wanted for my birthday, and eventually received, was "magical movement." I haven't fully immersed myself in "magical movement" yet; I’ve mostly just skimmed through the chapters. It functions quite a bit like a manual, filled with photos that provide a step-by-step guide for practicing tensegrity (the magical movement), along with various interesting insights...

To save a bit of energy—essentially by transcribing, which is much easier on my energetic system—I'll briefly outline the core concepts...

As Joseph Cook7 previously noted, 🙂 there are six tensegrity sequences:
-The sequence for preparing intention
-The sequence for immersion
-The five-area sequence (the Westwood series)
-Separating the left body from the right body
-The masculinity sequence
-The sequence of means used in conjunction with a magical movement
Each of these sequences meets the criteria for maximum efficiency and serves as a replica of how the longer sequences of magical movement were originally utilized...
It is important to recognize here that these movement sequences weren't simply made up; they are the result of observing unconscious movements the body performs during states of heightened awareness, movements that resulted in a profound improvement in physical and mental states. Initially, the Toltec warriors attributed this improvement to the elevated state of consciousness itself, but they later discovered it was actually caused by those inexplicable, unconscious bodily movements, which they observed and subsequently began to perform consciously in these sequences...

"The five-area sequence—the Westwood sequence:

In the realm of tensegrity, one of the most vital configurations is known as the five-area sequence. It earned the nickname the Westwood sequence because it was first introduced publicly at Pauley Pavilion at the University of California, Los Angeles, located in the Westwood neighborhood. This sequence was designed as an attempt to integrate what Don Juan Matus referred to as the five areas of the shamans from ancient Mexico. Everything those shamans practiced revolved around these five domains: first, magical movements; second, the energetic center within the human body known as the center for decision; third, recapitulation—the tools used to expand the reach of human consciousness; fourth, the art of dreaming—the ability to break down the parameters of normal perception; and fifth, Quote: Inside Silence—the states of perception from which sorcerers would move into all other perceptual endeavors. The order of these areas was determined by how those shamans perceived the world around them.

According to the teachings of Don Juan, one of the most stunning discoveries made by those shamans was the existence of a binding force that ties energy fields together into specific, functional units. The sorcerers who discovered it described it as a vibration, or a vibrating state, that permeates and binds groups of energy fields together.

Regarding the arrangement of these five areas utilized by the shamans of ancient Mexico, magical movements serve as the vibrating state they spoke of... When those sorcerers constructed that shamanic five-area sequence, they were essentially copying the energetic patterns revealed to them while they were able to perceive energy flowing through the universe. The binding agent was the magical movement. The magical movement acted as the unit that permeates the other four units, aligning them into a single, functional whole.

The Westwood sequence, following the pattern of the shamans of ancient Mexico, is therefore divided into four groups, organized by importance as perceived by the sorcerers who shaped them: first—the center for decision, second—recapitulation, third—the art of dreaming, and fourth—Quote: Inside Silence.

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The fourth group... Quote: Inside Silence

Don Juan once remarked that achieving a state of inner silence was the ultimate goal for the ancient shamans of Mexico... He described it as a natural state of perception where thoughts simply cease, allowing all human faculties to operate at a level of consciousness that bypasses our usual cognitive processes...

Inner silence has always been linked to darkness, perhaps because when a person's perception is stripped of its usual companion—that constant internal monologue—it feels like falling into some kind of dark void... Don Juan suggested that while the body continues to function normally, attention becomes significantly sharper. Decisions happen instantaneously, emerging from a distinct kind of knowledge that requires no verbalization of thought...

According to Don Juan... When a person's perception operates within a state of true inner silence, one can reach levels that are simply beyond description... Some of those levels of perception exist in entirely different realms, bearing no resemblance whatsoever to the worlds we access through the art of dreaming. They are states that defy description, impossible to capture using the linear paradigms that our ordinary perception typically relies on to make sense of the universe...

Quote: Inside Silence, according to what Don Juan understood, is the fundamental matrix for taking a giant leap in evolution... Silent knowledge—it’s that specific state of consciousness where understanding becomes instantaneous and automatic. At that level, knowledge isn't some byproduct of cerebral processing, nor is it reached through logical induction, deduction, or those tired generalizations we make based on superficial similarities and differences... On the level of Quote: Inside Silence, nothing exists... a priori...There isn’t really anything that exists to form a collection of insights, because everything is just... one thing... nowComplex data can be grasped without any cognitive processing at all...

Don Juan believed that silent knowledge was gifted to people from the very beginning, though they never truly possessed it... This kind of hidden endowment carries far more weight than anything the modern person experiences, where our entire collection of insights is merely the byproduct of mechanical learning. The wizard’s axiom remains that even though we have lost our way, the path leading back to that silent knowledge stays open through nothing more than inner stillness...

Don Juan Matus stood firm on the principles of his lineage... Achieving Quote: Inside Silence requires constant, unwavering discipline. It’s about gathering it, bit by bit, second by second... essentially forcing ourselves into stillness, if only for a few moments at a time. He maintained that all sorcerers understand the method, and that if we remain persistent, that persistence eventually overrides our ingrained habits, allowing us to reach a threshold of accumulated seconds or minutes—though that specific threshold varies from one person to the next... If someone’s threshold for inner silence sits at ten minutes, then once they actually hit that mark, the stillness just begins to happen on its own...

He warned me beforehand that there was no way to calculate my threshold; the only way to find it was through direct experience. And that is exactly how it played out. Following the instructions of Don Juan, I practiced disciplined silence with relentless consistency, until one day, while walking past UCLA in Westwood, I finally hit that mysterious threshold. I knew it had happened because, for a fleeting moment, I experienced precisely what Don Juan had described in such vivid detail. He called it the stopping of the world. For a split second, reality ceased to be what it appeared to be, and I became aware, for the very first time, of seeing energy flowing through the universe. I had to sit down on some stairs. Intellectually, I knew I was sitting on brick steps, but that was merely a memory... at the level of actual experience, in that moment, I was sitting on pure energy. I was energy, and everything around me was energy too. My interpretation system had simply shut down...

Once I finally caught a glimpse of energy directly, it triggered a realization that turned into a sort of daily dread... a truth that no one could have articulated quite like Don Juan. It wasn't just about the sight itself; I realized that while I was witnessing energy flowing through the entire universe of my life, I had been completely oblivious to it. The novelty wasn't the vision of energy moving through the cosmos... the real shock came from the question that forced me back into the mundane world. I found myself wondering what on earth had kept me from realizing that I was seeing the flow of energy all along...

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Every single time we spoke, he would reiterate how unsettling the effects of inner silence can be, suggesting that this very restlessness is the only thing standing in the way of the kind of pragmatism born from a body that is submissive, agile, and strong. He insisted that for sorcerers, the body is the only true entity they comprehend, leaving no room for any distinction between the body and the mind...

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Joseph Cook7 said:Well, what you're doing definitely isn't "controlled madness"—that technique is damn complicated, and let's be real, even I haven't mastered it yet. It's not about being uninterested or just acting like a moron because we all have those impulses sometimes. It's actually achieving a total detachment from this world while still staying active within it... basically, having zero internal drives or expectations regarding whatever you're doing. You just try to do your absolute best at a task, and when it's done, you walk away without giving a single damn about the results.
I've tried to give you a rough framework for what "controlled madness" looks like, but you can't really explain it—it's more of an internal shift in how you view the entire world.

Is it possible for this to happen spontaneously, even if you have no prior knowledge of the specific technique used to develop it?
If you're curious, check out my post under the "Zero State" thread on this subforum; I described my own "symptoms," which have been overwhelmingly positive. What you wrote above is actually a pretty accurate description of that state—your worldview shifts. At first glance, it might look like early-stage schizophrenia, except the person remains lucid and experiences no visual or auditory hallucinations. In those moments, there are no impulses, though the state isn't permanent—it comes and goes. For me, the success at UCLA has been undeniable—not because I'm trying, but because I just go through the motions without any of those nagging questions that don't even exist in my head anymore. Of course, it isn't always pure ecstasy or constant peace; the intensity fluctuates, but there's almost always a baseline level of it present. I just act, without any heaviness, and get great results—results I don't even bother checking for days after they're posted. I just do my thing and move on. Life becomes incredibly simple; you see nothing but love and peace. You aren't driven by ego, greed, or materialism—you simply *are*. Isn't it interesting how almost every spiritual book links development to this feeling, suggesting that the ultimate goal is just maintaining this state constantly?

If you can answer these for now, I have plenty more to ask later—less about this specific "madness" and more about energy and perspective.

I don't really have any more questions now. Bradley Myers63 started a thread about places of power and his answers aligned perfectly with my own practice—so everything is clear to me. There is just one thing I'm stuck on: Carlos Castaneda clearly calls those who seek and spread the truth warriors of light, but personally, I don't need a title like that to be a warrior of light. That said, whenever the concept of truth comes up, I’ll never allow myself to get dragged into debates like the ones you all and Samting get into. I can't help but wonder why I can't move past my ego during those moments of "attack"—it's why I can't reach a state where I'm actually spreading the truth. And if you take this as some twenty-year-old kid trying to sound smart, you're wrong—you're missing the point that a light body isn't linearly tied to age, so there's no function that would make people unequal based on years lived. The attitude during our last discussion on a different topic was basically that it's impossible to explain things to you because most materialistic people are incapable... blah blah blah... "the greatest" warriors running around with their egos and blunt swords. It's sad I even have to write this here, but I felt the need, so don't feel attacked without reason. My takeaway is that the greatest warrior of light is the one who doesn't even realize they are one—they don't even know others have a name for them. Once again, it doesn't matter who is speaking, but what is being said; excluding someone based on age is fundamentally against instinct. Joseph Cook7, please drop the ego and share your knowledge with us younger folks so we can appreciate your wisdom—there are those of us who genuinely want to 👍

Zachary Cook2
95% of people won't get it. What an attitude—you've shut everyone else out. Don't make me sharpen my axe for battle, warrior of light... those names are great for people who played with Action Man figures as kids, though I worry the gays might reject the title; maybe "Lady of Light" with a mink stole would suit them better, hahaha
Check out the places of power thread if you want; I think it has some key elements for reaching a materialistic person. For me, it's enough to give me a "knock on the head"—maybe it's because my IQ is around 150, so I pick things up fast. Otherwise, it's eventually going to end up with 95% of people not understanding anything when it all starts sounding like gibberish. Carlos Castaneda, you aren't getting away from me until Zachary Cook2 and I grab a coffee without all the unnecessary extras, hihihi

Nancy Harris6 said:Aha. Great. I'm glad to hear it's a specific technique, because it sounded a bit absurd, like mere foolishness. 😍 I feel a strange sense of relief...

I have quite a few questions...

Does this mean a complete—as maximal as possible, if I may say so—merging with what is, characterized by zero expectations and a mind that is entirely silenced? Living in the here and now. Without thought.
You mention this technique (mental silence) is incredibly complex, yet simultaneously, it seems to be the simplest thing imaginable... difficult, but exceptionally straightforward.
In this context, is inner silence the tool used to reach controlled madness, which would serve as the ultimate goal? Something like: using the silence of the mind to step-by-step reach a final, absolute stillness. Or am I off base? 🤔
Please, provide some details. 🙂

How long does one spend mastering this technique, and is it even possible to truly master it within a single lifetime? What is the primary hurdle or difficulty? How can one make the process as smooth as possible? Is mastery reserved only for the "chosen few"—those possessing specific traits like persistence, optimism, composure, or a slower pace of life? If so, how does one reshape their character to make the path easier?

There is a vast difference between talking about this technique and actually mastering it... it sounds like a personal rebirth and the ultimate attainment of freedom.
From what I gather, this is the life goal or mission of every human being, which means it is worth every ounce of effort and every single step; it certainly isn't achieved by accident, let alone overnight. One has to conquer their own demons.
Is this about overcoming duality in some way, rising above the shackles of the material world, and finding a balance between the spiritual and physical realms?
Is it a complete and fundamental overhaul of one's mental framework and perception?
The ultimate correctness and Truth, in the sense of living out one's own authenticity?

Am I closer to understanding controlled madness now?

I gotta say, I’m actually pretty surprised by how much solid info you dropped in those last two posts—it’s a relief to finally chat with someone who isn't totally clueless so we can actually get somewhere with this. You hit the nail on the head regarding the Toltec take on "inner silence" and how "intent" acts as this cosmic force that pulls everything together, forming energy bodies from Eagle radiation. And yeah, mentioning the Westwood sequence as a way to repurpose energy within the human body was spot on. Just a heads-up though—you're mixing a few different layers of Toltec wisdom here, and you really shouldn't blend them like that. For instance, "controlled madness" has zero to do with inner silence. Also, "intent" is this mysterious, universal connection we're all part of—it’s not the same thing as just some person's willpower or human intent. As for tensegrity, there's not much point in debating them; you just have to perform the sequences based on what they're actually meant for.
So, to answer the question above:
"Inner silence" is its own thing—it doesn't lead into that "controlled madness" technique at all...
So, basically, the Toltec warriors split into two camps—the "dreamers" and the "seekers."
Dreamwalkers basically spent their time perfecting lucid dreaming techniques while staying totally isolated from everyone else—on the flip side, you had the "trackers," who stayed plugged into society by using this whole "controlled madness" thing to blend in.
To actually pull off this "controlled madness" thing, a warrior’s gotta master a few core basics—it's not just random chaos:
-control
-discipline
-restraint
-timing
-willpower
-the little agitators (those outside distractions used to test everything else)
Once the trackers really nail these components, they can deal with just about anyone without losing their cool or their focus...

When I first stumbled upon this thread regarding spirituality, I found myself quite captivated by those initial few posts... However, as I continue reading through to the end, I find myself encountering certain points where my own perspective diverges from the consensus. That said, I recognize the possibility that some ideas might simply be missing the right vocabulary or perhaps remain somewhat underdeveloped rather than being inherently incorrect.

The energy we carry into this world—which manifests as an egg-shaped field surrounding our physical body, what some might call an aura—isn't truly "spent" or depleted throughout our lives in a literal sense; rather, its ebb and flow is conditioned entirely by how we choose to live.

Furthermore, this energy can serve as a compass to help us navigate the complexities of our circumstances and our very existence, provided we can quiet the mind enough to actually interface with that energy. By doing so, we gain a deeper insight into our essence and come to understand the nature of existence within this "illusory reality." This understanding is vital for gaining specific experiences and absorbing the lessons necessary for our growth—specifically, the evolution of the energy that permeates our being.

You mention the necessity of inner silence, which makes perfect sense, as that stillness is required to reconnect with the "inner self," or the "Higher Self." You also speak of detaching from perceived reality, which is equally valid, as such detachment is necessary for us to perceive other dimensions of reality.
However, I detect a certain logical inconsistency within the discussions here, and I would appreciate some clarification, even if you happen to disagree with my line of reasoning.

Joseph Cook7 said:Look, we can't exactly stop being human and part of a social circle called society... that much is obvious. In the Toltec way, there aren't any cookie-cutter templates or recipes I can just dictate to you for you to memorize. It's more about adopting new perspectives on the world that tear down the stereotypes and learned patterns this whole society is built on. Basically, they break the stereotype that this material world is fixed and unchangeable... that's their starting point and how they prove their point. The second thing is how they interact with the world and the people around them—it's a specific approach called controlled madness . The term comes from the idea that human behavior is inherently crazy, so they use controlled madness as a defense mechanism. It means the warrior adapts to society instead of standing apart from it—they work, they struggle, they grind just like everyone else—but they're basically just playing along. Underneath that mask, they're as cool as ice and totally detached from all the human drama. That's about it for now...

A being "cold as ice"?
Indifferent to human affairs?

Think about it this way: someone who perceives an orange by its textured, pitted peel would look like a primitive lunatic to someone who sees only a smooth, irregular sphere, wouldn't they? In that scenario, the person seeing the true texture of the orange must "pretend" to see nothing more than a plain sphere just to satisfy the majority. And we all know that whatever the majority believes is labeled "normal"—anything outside those boundaries is dismissed as insanity.

So, I ask you: is it possible that this "being cold as ice" only appears that way at first glance because they perhaps understand the nature of existence more clearly than others? Could it be that they realize the trivialities of life hold little weight, and instead focus on something greater than ourselves—living in alignment with that higher purpose without exhausting themselves on meaningless distractions in an effort to maintain and evolve their state of consciousness?
Secondly, while a certain detachment from human affairs might be necessary to preserve that state of awareness, aren't human activities a fundamental part of this world we have chosen to inhabit for the sake of learning and growth? If we view things through that lens, wouldn't total indifference mean missing out on the very opportunities intended for our education?