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Love as a fixed idea

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cosmictinker21 cosmictinker21 Active Member
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#141 ·
Gerald Ward61 said:It's honestly pointless, especially since you're living a totally different life than me. You've got your own perspective. And for the record, I wasn't even trying to win an argument here. 😉

Besides, the ancient Veda texts emphasize how longing actually intensifies love.

Uh-huh. Sure. It boosts the hunger for love. 🙂

Fine. Whatever. Let's call it a "love ingredient," but only if it's temporary. 😬

I've always loved this thought from Ernest Hemingway:

The beauty of the whole world is hidden within my thoughts. An unfulfilled dream has become the very essence of my existence. And so life passes, but in the moment of death, I can point to my longing as the one great, true, and beautiful thing in my life.


It's a pretty sentiment, I guess, but I'm not digging it when it comes to love. 😬

Longing for the truth? That's fine... but longing for love is just... well, it's basically a slow death.

🙏🙏🙏:

tell me more about that....😢
Gerald Ward61 Gerald Ward61 Active Member
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#142 ·
wearyhawk83 said:Exactly!

The real trick is spotting those specific versions of love that actually touch our lives and stripping away the fluff to find the core truth. See, people often wrap love up in these massive, inflated stories that aren't even real—they're just straight-up lies. And calling out those lies is incredibly tough because they’re usually tied to our own egos. If we expose the lie, we end up exposing ourselves, too. It’s way easier to hide behind a facade, because once you tear that mask down, you lose all your excuses. You can't keep feeding the nonsense anymore; you actually have to step up, take responsibility, and act in a way that truly honors what love is supposed to be.

🙂
Sean Cruz Sean Cruz Regular
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#143 ·
Gerald Ward61 said:It's honestly pointless, especially since you're living a totally different life than me. You've got your own perspective. And for the record, I wasn't even trying to win an argument here. 😉

Besides, the ancient Veda texts emphasize how longing actually intensifies love.

Uh-huh. Sure. It boosts the hunger for love. 🙂

Fine. Whatever. Let's call it a "love ingredient," but only if it's temporary. 😬

I've always loved this thought from Ernest Hemingway:

The beauty of the whole world is hidden within my thoughts. An unfulfilled dream has become the very essence of my existence. And so life passes, but in the moment of death, I can point to my longing as the one great, true, and beautiful thing in my life.


It's a pretty sentiment, I guess, but I'm not digging it when it comes to love. 😬

Longing for the truth? That's fine... but longing for love is just... well, it's basically a slow death.

We all carry our own histories, and usually, our outlook is just a byproduct of those experiences. 🙂

Longing for love feels like... well, like dying.

To me, love and death are practically synonymous.
Gerald Ward61 Gerald Ward61 Active Member
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#144 ·
Sean Cruz said:We all carry our own histories, and usually, our outlook is just a byproduct of those experiences. 🙂

Longing for love feels like... well, like dying.

To me, love and death are practically synonymous.

Look, for me, love *is* life. It’s the whole deal. It means everything. I can't even imagine seeing it any other way... and honestly, why would I want to?

Unless He goes first, and then I'm just itching to follow Him... somehow. 😬
cosmictinker21 cosmictinker21 Active Member
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#145 ·
Gerald Ward61 said:Look, for me, love *is* life. It’s the whole deal. It means everything. I can't even imagine seeing it any other way... and honestly, why would I want to?

Unless He goes first, and then I'm just itching to follow Him... somehow. 😬

let's not go summoning any Romeo and Juliet scenarios here☕
Sean Cruz Sean Cruz Regular
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#146 ·
Gerald Ward61 said:Look, for me, love *is* life. It’s the whole deal. It means everything. I can't even imagine seeing it any other way... and honestly, why would I want to?

Unless He goes first, and then I'm just itching to follow Him... somehow. 😬

I didn't mean that quite literally, but love truly does feel like "dying" to me. If I were to die for someone, I'd know I had loved them authentically. 😍 Honestly, once that happens, nothing else matters anymore. 🤣

Seriously, what has been written for centuries if not about "tragic loves"? What was the point of all those romances if true love is just holding hands and maintaining a relationship? To me, that sounds like a pretty superficial grasp of something as complex as love. Are you suggesting that humanity spent centuries clueless about love until modern psychology wrote a few books and opened everyone's eyes? ☕

One of my favorite poets once wrote: All true loves are tragic...
Matthew Castillo5 Matthew Castillo5 Regular
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#147 ·
I feel like we really ought to pin down our basic definitions before we dive headfirst into this debate. For instance, what are we actually talking about when we say "love"? Is it just some internal feeling, or is it more of a lifestyle choice—a commitment to giving someone everything you've got? Or are we defining it strictly as a mutual connection between two people, which would mean unrequited love doesn't even count as love at all?
velvetbear11 velvetbear11 Member
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#148 ·
Matthew Castillo5 said:I feel like we really ought to pin down our basic definitions before we dive headfirst into this debate. For instance, what are we actually talking about when we say "love"? Is it just some internal feeling, or is it more of a lifestyle choice—a commitment to giving someone everything you've got? Or are we defining it strictly as a mutual connection between two people, which would mean unrequited love doesn't even count as love at all?

Oh, come on now... You can't do that, seriously, give us a break.

You’re trying to take this thing apart, aren't you? Like you want to slice it up, wrap every single little piece in butcher paper, throw them in plastic bags so nothing leaks out, and then point at them and say, "this is this, and that is that."

Don't you get what we're talking about here? We're talking about loooooooove!!! 😍

Aaaaaaaah..... 😍

Why haven't we defined love? Because we all just get it, plain and simple, and you can see the conversation just keeps rolling and rolling along...

Even though we're officially in the "psychology" section, we've tossed those rigid scientific methods out the window and allowed ourselves a little bit of breathing room...
Betty Stewart59 Betty Stewart59 Member
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#149 ·
Gerald Ward61 said:And love?


Love is like dreaming you can fly. You can try to map out the lines, use some charcoal logic to mark the borders, pretend you’re an artist applying color to a canvas, but only the dreamer actually understands the mechanics of it.
One single flight matters more than all those broken hearts.
Too many people spend their lives staring up at the sky, bragging about how they once soared.
They didn't. And they never will.
velvetbear11 velvetbear11 Member
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#150 ·
Betty Stewart59 said:Love is like dreaming you can fly. You can try to map out the lines, use some charcoal logic to mark the borders, pretend you’re an artist applying color to a canvas, but only the dreamer actually understands the mechanics of it.
One single flight matters more than all those broken hearts.
Too many people spend their lives staring up at the sky, bragging about how they once soared.
They didn't. And they never will.

Cool.

I mean, what is this even supposed to mean? It’s just words on a page. And yet, you feel it immediately. What a load of nonsense!
Gerald Ward61 Gerald Ward61 Active Member
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#151 ·
Betty Stewart59 said:Love is like dreaming you can fly. You can try to map out the lines, use some charcoal logic to mark the borders, pretend you’re an artist applying color to a canvas, but only the dreamer actually understands the mechanics of it.
One single flight matters more than all those broken hearts.
Too many people spend their lives staring up at the sky, bragging about how they once soared.
They didn't. And they never will.

🙂 Just one from the canyonlands... before all these "awake" types show up 😉
Paul Campbell3 Paul Campbell3 Regular
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#152 ·
Hannah White2 said:Ugh... here we go, another starry-eyed dreamer...
Just picture this: some guy finally hits his jackpot, starts living the dream with the woman he worships, but then—after three years when that initial hormone rush inevitably dies down—he spends the next few years convincing himself he’s been wronged. He ends up posting on some infidelity forum because he decided she "isn't the same person" he met back in the day.
The kicker? She was never that person to begin with.
But hey, that's "love" for ya.😍

Good God. 👍

Then he circles back and realizes she isn't even that bad, especially now that they have a two-year-old kid who’s actually fun to be in bed with.

So then he remembers that this whole cycle probably happened five times already (back when those hormones were still high), and as a man, he discovers the ultimate secret about women:

they're all exactly the same! 😲

And from there, if life lets him, he just wastes away through various versions of "love" with that one woman—or maybe someone else later on. He gets more kids, maybe even grandkids, with her, or maybe with both, depending on "what hand he was dealt." 😍

And that, my friends, is love. 🙂
Gerald Ward61 Gerald Ward61 Active Member
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#153 ·
Paul Campbell3 said:That's just love 🙂

😁

...for those who haven't actually met someone better, but they don't settle for just "fine"... they hold out for real love. 😉 😉
Paul Campbell3 Paul Campbell3 Regular
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#154 ·
Gerald Ward61 said:😁

...for those who haven't actually met someone better, but they don't settle for just "fine"... they hold out for real love. 😉 😉

That is incredibly arrogant. 🙂
You’re basically setting yourself up as the gold standard for what counts as "better" or "worse."
Sure, you can be the judge of your own life, but only when it comes to yourself.
It’s pure ego to act like that when talking about anyone else. 😉
Gerald Ward61 Gerald Ward61 Active Member
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#155 ·
Paul Campbell3 said:That is incredibly arrogant. 🙂
You’re basically setting yourself up as the gold standard for what counts as "better" or "worse."
Sure, you can be the judge of your own life, but only when it comes to yourself.
It’s pure ego to act like that when talking about anyone else. 😉

Nah. You totally missed the point. 😉
Paul Campbell3 Paul Campbell3 Regular
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#156 ·
Regarding the opening topic—strictly from a psychological standpoint rather than a literary one—here’s a quick little breakdown.

Emotions are pretty much the only compass we've got to navigate through this life.
Our brains—look, let's be real—just aren't wired to see the big picture. We're trapped by space and time, stuck in this tiny little bubble. We can't predict what's coming next because we’re constantly reacting solely from the here and now.
For our minds. The future isn't some magical thing that just happens. It’s nothing more than the sum of everything we’ve already been through and what we’re doing right now. Period.

That’s exactly why we fall back on our "gut feelings" and how we think we feel.
The "heart" sees the big picture perfectly. It connects all the dots. But it doesn't have a sense of space or time, you know? So we end up stuck in this loop where a massive change keeps eating us alive, yet we don't actually wrap our heads around it until fifteen years later.

Depending on what kind of emotions you're dealing with, they’re going to drive you toward a specific type of action—or, more likely, total paralysis. Most of us just merge with our feelings. We let them become who we are, and that gives us this false sense of... well, everything. "If only we were actually alive.".

We’ve all been there—that moment when you feel like you’ve finally had enough, but you’re still too terrified to actually pull the trigger. You're scared that if you make a move, things will just go from bad to worse. Honestly? That’s just a sign you aren't ready yet. It means you haven't hit that level of maturity where you can handle the actual cost of making a change. If the price tag on transformation feels too high, you're just stalling. 🙂

Alright, let’s talk about this whole "obsessing over an idol" thing when there's zero basis in reality. I’m assuming we’re talking about that specific brand of madness where someone fixes their sights on a person who is—for whatever reason—completely out of reach. You know the drill: they're already taken, they live halfway across the country, or they wouldn't give you the time of day if you were on fire. It’s a total caricature of a crush. Honestly, it’s just a phase most of us stumble through in high school, or at least something we all deal with at least once in our lives.

Look, there are definitely people out there who—just like the OP said—keep doing this over and over again.
In other words, They're just repeating the same old pattern. Over and over again..
Fine by me if they don't see it as a problem—they can keep living like that forever for all I care.

Wait, what about the people who suddenly snap and realize that this kind of life is just completely pointless? 🤷

We’ve all heard those cheesy old sayings, haven't we? Like, "out of sight, out of mind." Or that one about how love is only beautiful while you're still waiting for it. Total clichés.

Most of what we call "problems" just evaporate the second you actually start working on a solution..

Look, when we’re stuck in those moments where we just can't focus on actually solving anything—and yeah, I’m exaggerating here, like when you're too busy checking if there's some single person standing two feet away from you—and we decide to just fall head over heels for something that's completely out of reach... well, that kind of behavior has a name. "Hidden profit." That’s all anyone ever talks about, right? Like there’s some secret stash of cash just waiting to be uncovered if you only look hard enough. Give me a break..

And then we usually say: I know it sounds totally insane, but I am just sooooo obsessed with them!

When someone tries to hand you a solution in a situation like this—especially one that totally clashes with how you’re feeling—what do we usually say?You just don't get it. You've never even laid eyes on what "real love" actually looks like!

And until that "hidden gain" gets satisfied some other way, we’re just going to keep pointing out the pattern—the one where they keep picking "unrequited love" over and over again.

If there weren't any boundaries, we wouldn't bother learning a damn thing.
Either other people draw our limits for us, or we go out and build them ourselves—clinging to everyone else's blueprints or just repeating the same old lessons we've been fed since the day we were born.

Boundaries are nothing but illusions. That’s why relationships are never set in stone—they have a beginning, they have an end. We use these lines to define where one person stops and the other begins. It's how we spot the differences. Once you see those gaps, you finally see who you actually are. That’s the whole point of getting involved with someone.
Let’s learn how to actually be alone with ourselves. 🙂.
Honestly, you get much better results when you go through an intermediary.

It’s the same old story. People who keep falling into the exact same patterns? They aren't fixing anything—they're just buying themselves more time.
It’s that classic "stuck in a moment" syndrome.
I honestly can't deal with these "symptoms" anymore.
Sometimes they just throw in the towel because it all gets too heavy for them. And honestly? That’s usually exactly when they finally get a shot at actually changing.

On top of that, being in love with the idea of love—or getting obsessed with some impossible fantasy about an unavailable partner—comes with a nasty little side effect: Control.

We’re constantly checking ourselves, obsessing over exactly how close we are to hitting that target.
Take distance, for instance—it keeps us apart. Or maybe it's family obligations preventing us from taking things seriously, or a demanding career at a firm like Goldman Sachs blocking any real intimacy. Or even just our own looks, like
. We can find a hundred different excuses for why a relationship has no future, even when we're head over heels. We convince ourselves we have everything under control 🙂
.
But if we actually took a leap—filed for divorce, moved across the country, switched careers, or finally hit up a plastic surgeon—we’d be stepping straight into the unknown.
And you can't control the unknown.
(Maybe we get ghosted, or find out he actually values his wife and kids more than us and isn't ready to blow up his marriage, or some surgeon tells us there's nothing to work with, or a new job turns out to be a total disaster for our partner and we're just left guessing).

While we sit there waiting, that possibility stays safely tucked away in our heads, so we do absolutely nothing out of pure fear.
And that fear? It's rooted in insecurity.
Like the fear that we aren't good enough, attractive enough, smart enough, or fit enough for a real family.

That’s how these massive romantic epics are born. These grand, sweeping love stories.
And we walk away thinking only unrequited love matters—because let's face it, who ever wrote a masterpiece about a happy, stable couple?

So we crave that "impossible love" because we've been brainwashed to believe it's the only kind that counts.
We pass up the "small," functional loves because nobody writes books or makes movies about them.

Unrequited stuff has this huge emotional charge. And we constantly mistake that intensity for "true love." Mostly because that's what we were taught, and because we mistakenly think our emotions *are* our identity.

We feel like we have to "die to love." Or at least suffer. Like Romeo and Juliet. Or young Werther. That's the hallmark of "real love" in our minds. So that's the only thing we hunt for. Because it's the only script we know.

But imagine if someone told us: love is actually cheerful. Joyful. It doesn't hurt at all. It feels more like a good slice of apple pie. And it isn't tied to just one person.

Anyway, that's my "psychological" take on it. Now you guys go ahead and get literary about which kinds of love are worth a damn, or worthy of a book or a Hollywood screenplay. 😉
Hannah White2 Hannah White2 Active Member
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#157 ·
Paul Campbell3 said:Good God. 👍

Then he circles back and realizes she isn't even that bad, especially now that they have a two-year-old kid who’s actually fun to be in bed with.

So then he remembers that this whole cycle probably happened five times already (back when those hormones were still high), and as a man, he discovers the ultimate secret about women:

they're all exactly the same! 😲

And from there, if life lets him, he just wastes away through various versions of "love" with that one woman—or maybe someone else later on. He gets more kids, maybe even grandkids, with her, or maybe with both, depending on "what hand he was dealt." 😍

And that, my friends, is love. 🙂

Zillow?
Love as a fixed obsession...
cosmictinker21 cosmictinker21 Active Member
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#158 ·
well done🙏🙏🙏

A psychological approach? No, honey... you're being far too modest.

This is really just a summary of everything we carry inside regarding what love actually is. Everything we want, everything we crave to know—or desperately hope to ignore. It’s about what we choose to do, or don't. And it isn't just about "feelings." It's everything that makes us whole: our mindset, spirituality, poetry, logic, experience, knowledge, awareness, perception, desires, needs, instincts, and reality itself.
life.
Gerald Ward61 Gerald Ward61 Active Member
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#159 ·
@Dragonfly, honestly, your post feels more like some deep poem than actual "psychology." Love is just a roller coaster ride... 🙂 When you’re hurting, you’re hurting. There's no faking it. 😉 And you definitely can't just act happy through it. 😉

It was a pretty interesting read, though. 🙂
Gerald Ward61 Gerald Ward61 Active Member
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#160 ·
cosmictinker21 said:well done🙏🙏🙏

A psychological approach? No, honey... you're being far too modest.

This is really just a summary of everything we carry inside regarding what love actually is. Everything we want, everything we crave to know—or desperately hope to ignore. It’s about what we choose to do, or don't. And it isn't just about "feelings." It's everything that makes us whole: our mindset, spirituality, poetry, logic, experience, knowledge, awareness, perception, desires, needs, instincts, and reality itself.
life.

Less talking, more kissing. 😍 When are you gonna figure that part out? 🤣 😉 😉

Write love letters 😍...dream up all these grand gestures... and then just stop bringing this topic up. 😉

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