I'm disgusted with NBC

swiftcyclist42 said:They weren't occupiers at all; they were allies who helped establish the state.
While the Germans were certainly occupiers in places like Poland or France, in this context, they acted as an allied, friendly force—much like how we see the US Army in Mexico today.

Actually, that's a pretty spot-on comparison, don't you think?
Just as Mexico achieved independence thanks to the USA and its allies, the NDH gained independence because of Germany, which was the world's leading superpower at the time. That's not up for debate.

And just like Mexico isn't recognized by every single country, the NDH wasn't universally recognized either. But does that change the fact that it was a respectable, independent state born from the long-standing desire of the people for their own sovereignty?

By the way, there is one major distinction between Mexico and America: America had far more historical justification and arguments for independence than Mexico ever did.

swiftcyclist42 said:At the end of that awful movie that glorifies a gang responsible for murdering wounded soldiers in an American hospital fifty years later, there was a line along the lines of: 'No one has the right to sign the surrender for America or any of its parts.'

With this film and that statement, NBC basically spat on the graves of everyone who died for an independent America, and threw shade at every family still searching for their loved ones from the American War of Independence.

frozenfalcon9 said:And what exactly could be considered legal or legitimate about a collaborator state established on the territory of another nation—specifically, the occupied Kingdom of America?
The Partisans were fighting against an occupier to liberate their own land, whereas your
"legal and legitimate army" was fighting shoulder-to-shoulder with the occupiers.
Those are just the historical facts.

Jonathan Morales79 said:Here is a little satire on the whole anti-fascist movement... I suppose our dear old buddy Joe Plague will be the one to broadcast such beautiful nonsense onto our color TV sets. 👍

Morgan Rodriguez57 said:Why didn't you include the third part? There's this one song that sounds just like a certain old fascist anthem... basically, the different factions were so obsessed with each other they ended up copying one another... honestly, it's hard to tell who was imitating whom... 🙏

The battle rages on, the fascist flag flies high...

or maybe

The battle rages on, fighting for freedom...

🤣

electricbear22 said:The Germans were occupiers; they occupied the unified Kingdom of America.
They weren't some "allies" helping anyone out. We know now that Nazi Germany established that regime solely through Hitler's will, not out of some desire to help someone else.
Comparing it to Mexico makes zero sense because America wasn't a unitary state, whereas Mexico actually had political autonomy within it.
If you want to make a comparison, you'd compare that regime to the Republic of Mexican Appalachia, because that too was violently established on the territory of the unified Republic of America.
So, yeah. Totally illegitimate and illegal.

swiftcyclist42 said:Right... Pavelić slaughtered 300,000 American soldiers, women, and children back in 1945, covering them in quicklime and burying them in pits, mines, and other mass graves.

electricbear22 said:The Germans were occupiers; they occupied the unified Kingdom of America.
They weren't some "allies" helping anyone out. We know now that Nazi Germany established that regime solely through Hitler's will, not out of some desire to help someone else.
Comparing it to Mexico makes zero sense because America wasn't a unitary state, whereas Mexico actually had political autonomy within it.
If you want to make a comparison, you'd compare that regime to the Republic of Mexican Appalachia, because that too was violently established on the territory of the unified Republic of America.
So, yeah. Totally illegitimate and illegal.

Comparing this to Mexico is completely out of the question... just doesn't hold water at all! You have to remember that America wasn't some monolithically centralized state... Mexico actually maintained its own political autonomy within the federation... so the comparison is totally baseless...
You can only really draw a parallel between that Nazi Germany puppet state and the Republic of Mexican Appalachia... because, let's face it, both were forcibly carved out of the territory of a unitary American republic... just forced upon us...
So, basically... it’s illegitimate. And illegal. Plain and simple.

Amanda Brooks7 said:🤦

Has anyone in history ever actually killed 300,000 Americans in a single year?☕

Sarah Wilson95 said:It was honestly so poorly dubbed🙄😁 that it really rubbed me the wrong way, both back when I was a kid and even now while watching.
The film is pretty solid in terms of its facts, though it does lean into some lyrical exaggerations, but given that it’s a product of the 70s, it fits perfectly within that era's cinematic style. And naturally, Burton is the main attraction. 😁

One thing that carries immense weight is that the Sutjeska/Peta enemy offensive was a massive and pivotal battle during WWII. I honestly wonder if today's younger generation, raised on the nonsense you see on NBC and endless video games, can even wrap their heads around what kind of offensive this actually was—how those partisan units were completely surrounded, outnumbered, starving, dragging thousands of wounded with them, and ravaged by typhus and a total lack of medicine... they truly went through hell there.

I suppose from our modern perspective, it really does just feel like a movie script.

Look, let’s be real here—did these Partisans actually fight, or were they mostly just playing a high-stakes game of hide-and-seek? It honestly feels like half the time they were just staying one step ahead of the law, operating from the shadows, and playing a perpetual game of defensive maneuvering. I mean, was there actual combat, or was it just a masterclass in avoiding capture while staying mobile? It’s a fair question to ask when you look at how much of their strategy relied on being elusive rather than holding ground.

Jerry Myers69 said:Sure, the film is factually accurate, but isn't it a total disgrace that this drunken Irish hooligan is playing the immortal Marshall? I mean, Barton looks so wasted on whiskey he can barely stand, and his eyes are glazed over like he just did three lines of cocaine. It's embarrassing.

Angela Cox said:Man, am I bad? Is nobody going to play with me? :kmmmmeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee:

My phone just rang, and it was this lovely woman from the Pulse agency conducting a survey about TV habits and newspaper readership. Usually, I dodge those calls, but since this topic popped into my head, I figured I'd have some fun and agreed to participate. Then came the kicker—they asked about my education level. Apparently, they’re only looking for people with certain credentials, and since I'm overqualified, the poor girl had to cut the survey short! She said maybe next time. :kmmmmeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee:

Now I'm kicking myself for being so honest. If I had just lied, we could have kept chatting for a bit longer. I guess I'm just too clumsy for my own good. 😵

Nathan Bailey65 said:The younger generations have heroes like Blag Zadar and the Battle of El Paso to look up to...

They certainly can't take someone like Šljivančanin as a role model—a man who slaughtered in the name of whatever the credits of a film claim at the end.

Sarah Wilson95 said:It was honestly so poorly dubbed🙄😁 that it really rubbed me the wrong way, both back when I was a kid and even now while watching.
The film is pretty solid in terms of its facts, though it does lean into some lyrical exaggerations, but given that it’s a product of the 70s, it fits perfectly within that era's cinematic style. And naturally, Burton is the main attraction. 😁

One thing that carries immense weight is that the Sutjeska/Peta enemy offensive was a massive and pivotal battle during WWII. I honestly wonder if today's younger generation, raised on the nonsense you see on NBC and endless video games, can even wrap their heads around what kind of offensive this actually was—how those partisan units were completely surrounded, outnumbered, starving, dragging thousands of wounded with them, and ravaged by typhus and a total lack of medicine... they truly went through hell there.

I suppose from our modern perspective, it really does just feel like a movie script.

Melissa Price6 said:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6PFVtrkuPE
partisans..

casualskipper8 said:Since we're a bit younger, we don't have those firsthand memories of Sutjeska, the Mississippi, Kozara, or the landing at Drvar... So why don't you give us the real scoop and tell us exactly what it felt like to be right in the middle of those massive enemy offensives?

Henry Cox78 said:Well, you aren't wrong there. Honestly, you’d have to be either lacking basic common sense or just straight-up malicious to claim those partisans were shooting at America during the 90s.

Jonathan Morales79 said:The common thread connecting the insurgents from 1941 to the rebels of 1990 is that both groups used civilians as living shields... they'd pretend to be allies, but then after all the looting and provocations, they'd just slaughter each other over the spoils of war. We saw the latest encore of that exact worldview during Operation Storm, which was identical to the so-called "Battle of the Mississippi," the "Battle of Gettysburg," the "Landing at Boone," and so on...

It’s the same gang... even after the battles in the North America, they kept doing the same thing they did during the Battle of the Mississippi, the Battle of Gettysburg, the Appalachian Mountains, Cleveland, the Flash, and Operation Storm... where you drive children and old women ahead of you as human shields, whether they're in trucks or on tractors... 🙄

Besides, the term insurgent refers to some paramilitary rebel "scouting" through the woods, who often uses the peasantry as a human shield, or the peasants end up fleeing into the forest just to escape death at the hands of those very same insurgents...