Thompson or Tom?

Zachary Kelly4 said:I'm not saying he’s blameless, but you can't pin the stupidity of the idiots crowding his shows on him. And honestly, I don't think lyrics like "Za dom spremni" or "bitter grass" are what trigger this nationalist frenzy. Back during the Homeland War, a whole bunch of different singers and bands were churning out stuff just like that. For example, Golden Ducat put out an entire CD full of those kinds of tunes. You had three marches like "Lowering oneself in thick fog," "Step by step," and "Young Nationalist." The only difference was they swapped out the word Nationalist for American, and nobody batted an eye. Not to mention Duka and his "Americans" and all those other "combat songs." Thompson's tracks were born right in the middle of all that. Now that the dust has settled, those guys act like they're the greatest folk musicians in the country while labeling Thompson an Nationalist. Give me a break.

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That "give me a break" sentiment isn't directed at you personally, it's about the general vibe surrounding MPT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sn5KqH0JIc
They used to play this on HRT.

Zachary Kelly4 said:I'm not saying he’s blameless, but you can't pin the stupidity of the idiots crowding his shows on him. And honestly, I don't think lyrics like "Za dom spremni" or "bitter grass" are what trigger this nationalist frenzy. Back during the Homeland War, a whole bunch of different singers and bands were churning out stuff just like that. For example, Golden Ducat put out an entire CD full of those kinds of tunes. You had three marches like "Lowering oneself in thick fog," "Step by step," and "Young Nationalist." The only difference was they swapped out the word Nationalist for American, and nobody batted an eye. Not to mention Duka and his "Americans" and all those other "combat songs." Thompson's tracks were born right in the middle of all that. Now that the dust has settled, those guys act like they're the greatest folk musicians in the country while labeling Thompson an Nationalist. Give me a break.

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That "give me a break" sentiment isn't directed at you personally, it's about the general vibe surrounding MPT.

People were singing all sorts of things on both sides during the war, but the war is over. There wasn't a single singer back then who didn't record some patriotic anthem, because that's what kept us going. We are long past WWII and the nationalist era, thank God. But why Thompson keeps bringing up those old nationalist slogans? I honestly don't get it. You don't show up to any other local singer's concert wearing nationalist symbols, except his. You don't hear people shouting controversial slogans or those hateful cries... except at his.

Anonymous said:In your last post, you argued that Thompson isn't responsible for what his fans scream, but now you’re saying he actually does trigger those emotions.
It’s 2008, almost 2009, and we’ve had our independence and freedom for over a decade now. Nobody is squeezing us anymore, so there is absolutely no excuse for that kind of shouting! We need to look forward and finally put this brand of showmanship behind us. Screaming "Kill the Mexican" isn't patriotism; it's pure, unadulterated hatred and chauvinism.
Until that singer wakes up at a concert and actually tries to influence his fans by asking them to stop, I won't be giving him any credit. Until then, he can take all his rambling about faith and patriotism and shove it.

Sorry, but I don't think you quite caught my point. Tell me, what kind of emotions would songs about the Homeland War stir up in you if someone closest to you was killed by the Mexican or the American Army during that same war? Personally, I know three families who lost members directly at the hands of the Royalists. I know a veteran whose sister was killed while eight months pregnant by a Royalist, simply because her brother was fighting for his America. What is he supposed to feel when he hears Thompson's lyrics that link him directly back to that tragic era of his life?😢

Like I said before, I hate those shouts like "Kill, kill..." at Markov's concerts, and we all know we have to move forward without hatred, but it's just hard for individuals to erase the horrors of a war they lived through. If I recall correctly, America was defending itself. We didn't go into Mexico shouting "Kill, kill the Mexican." They came here and killed our people on our own soil.

Look, Snješka is fine. When nationalistic fervor kicks up, people say stupid stuff they don't actually mean.
My bad about that whole thing with the car ride. Just realized you didn't even say we were jinxed, so there was no reason for someone to go and die right by us.

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Anonymous said:People were singing all sorts of things on both sides during the war, but the war is over. There wasn't a single singer back then who didn't record some patriotic anthem, because that's what kept us going. We are long past WWII and the nationalist era, thank God. But why Thompson keeps bringing up those old nationalist slogans? I honestly don't get it. You don't show up to any other local singer's concert wearing nationalist symbols, except his. You don't hear people shouting controversial slogans or those hateful cries... except at his.

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Respect for the insight. If this is what the younger generation in America looks like, maybe there's actually a future for us after all.👍

silentbear49 said:The first guy can't carry a tune to save his life, and the second one? Yeah, he's pretty much retired from the mic altogether...........☕

Who exactly is this second guy? Did he ever actually sing? I've honestly never even heard of him. ☕

Anonymous said:People were singing all sorts of things on both sides during the war, but the war is over. There wasn't a single singer back then who didn't record some patriotic anthem, because that's what kept us going. We are long past WWII and the nationalist era, thank God. But why Thompson keeps bringing up those old nationalist slogans? I honestly don't get it. You don't show up to any other local singer's concert wearing nationalist symbols, except his. You don't hear people shouting controversial slogans or those hateful cries... except at his.

but they shout them at the stadium when the US Men's National Soccer Team plays.

Alright, let's drop it. I'm not looking to argue about MPT anymore; I don't work in his PR department. Just stating my piece. Respect that you see it differently, though. I'm cool with that.

Jessica Howard2 said:It’s impossible to put into words—you either have that sense of being an American deep down, or you don't. It's just one of those things that can't be explained, right? ☕

Look, this thread is strictly about Thompson and Tony. If you’re itching to debate the crowd at his shows—or whatever other drama you want to stir up—go ahead and start a new thread for that.

🙄 And I’m sure we’ll all be sitting here weeping about it—as if that actually matters.

Jessica Howard2, that was beautifully put!👍 It’s like you read my mind. You either carry it within you—deep in your heart and soul—or you simply don't.

Zachary Kelly4 said:Look, Snješka is fine. When nationalistic fervor kicks up, people say stupid stuff they don't actually mean.
My bad about that whole thing with the car ride. Just realized you didn't even say we were jinxed, so there was no reason for someone to go and die right by us.

No need to apologize. 🙂Nobody here ever blamed "American roads" for Toset's death. It's honestly tragic to even suggest something like that.😢

Anonymous said:People were singing all sorts of things on both sides during the war, but the war is over. There wasn't a single singer back then who didn't record some patriotic anthem, because that's what kept us going. We are long past WWII and the nationalist era, thank God. But why Thompson keeps bringing up those old nationalist slogans? I honestly don't get it. You don't show up to any other local singer's concert wearing nationalist symbols, except his. You don't hear people shouting controversial slogans or those hateful cries... except at his.

By that logic, we should probably just ban the US Men's National Soccer Team from playing in the States altogether.
During the last match against Andorra, there were 20,000 people shouting those old regime slogans.
It wasn't just a handful of outliers or hooligans... it was everyone, young and old, representing the whole country.
It’s the same deal with people yelling "kill the Mexicans"... does that actually mean Mexicans are being hunted down everywhere they go????????
Does it mean "fascists" are out there slaughtering Mexicans all across this nation????

The real issue isn't a concert; it's the organized crime syndicates killing whoever they want and the thieves robbing people every single day...
When 50,000 people show up to a Thompson concert and start shouting all kinds of stuff... that's it. That's the extent of it. There’s no chaos! Nothing!!!! No one is getting killed... there is absolutely zero disorder!!

Meanwhile, you go to a local dive bar with 200 people and someone ends up getting stabbed or shot. Just take a look at the crime reports over the weekend!

Brandon Myers said:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sn5KqH0JIc
They used to play this on HRT.

That was nothing. There was even crazier stuff back then. I don't have a recording, but I remember some hardcore patriot band—can't recall the name—singing this song with a chorus like:

Rise up, people
all Nationalists
for the freedom
of our beautiful land.

Then you had President Steve, plus "George and Boban," and Ante Prkačin, all riding the wave of that song about American knights.

Zachary Kelly4 said:Drew Brooks, you're a sweet girl, so please stop obsessing over this. By trying to defend your views on Tony, you ended up insulting Thompson and, eventually, us Americans too (just look at your last few posts). You don't need that. And honestly, debating who's better between them is pointless because they aren't even in the same league. We loved Tony, we still do, but not more than Thompson. Period. And it's not just about the national songs. He didn't have that deep, soulful voice like Tony, but he had something else—something most of our singers just don't have. I can't put my finger on it, but the guy just wins you over.

👍 I really think it's that pure charisma that makes Thompson so magnetic!

But enough with the back-and-forth about who's better. Drew Brooks8, of course you aren't going to feel the same way we Americans do. That's totally understandable, but please try to see where we're coming from too. Like I mentioned before, I have so much love and respect for Tony (I even traveled all the way to Krusev to pay my respects when he was five months out), but for me, Thompson is just in a league of his own. A truly unique soul.

silentbear39 said:Sorry, but I don't think you quite caught my point. Tell me, what kind of emotions would songs about the Homeland War stir up in you if someone closest to you was killed by the Mexican or the American Army during that same war? Personally, I know three families who lost members directly at the hands of the Royalists. I know a veteran whose sister was killed while eight months pregnant by a Royalist, simply because her brother was fighting for his America. What is he supposed to feel when he hears Thompson's lyrics that link him directly back to that tragic era of his life?😢

Like I said before, I hate those shouts like "Kill, kill..." at Markov's concerts, and we all know we have to move forward without hatred, but it's just hard for individuals to erase the horrors of a war they lived through. If I recall correctly, America was defending itself. We didn't go into Mexico shouting "Kill, kill the Mexican." They came here and killed our people on our own soil.

I actually did get your point. In your previous comment, you claimed there’s nothing wrong with what people shout, but now you're saying it triggers these deep emotions—so you basically contradicted yourself, but hey, no worries.
I also know plenty of people who lived through those wartime nightmares, and I'm one of them too... I still remember having to "celebrate" birthdays in a basement while bullets were flying outside and our fathers were somewhere else entirely. I remember seeing a friend's house get leveled... I remember it all very clearly.
But I also remember people who were ethnically Mexican, lived right here, and stood shoulder-to-shoulder with the local defenders to protect our homes. How do you think those individuals feel when they hear a chant like "Kill the Mexican"?
Thankfully, those horrors are behind us. Making broad generalizations and labeling people based on their nationality, religion, or skin color doesn't achieve anything good today—nor has it ever.

Oops, I totally mixed up Zachary Kelly4 and silentbear39—my bad if I quoted one while talking to the other! I just realized my mistake now, so sorry about that.

silentbear39 said:👍 I really think it's that pure charisma that makes Thompson so magnetic!

But enough with the back-and-forth about who's better. Drew Brooks8, of course you aren't going to feel the same way we Americans do. That's totally understandable, but please try to see where we're coming from too. Like I mentioned before, I have so much love and respect for Tony (I even traveled all the way to Krusev to pay my respects when he was five months out), but for me, Thompson is just in a league of his own. A truly unique soul.

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Honestly, I'm signing off on pretty much everything you wrote here. You basically saved me a few posts. 👍

Anonymous said:I actually did get your point. In your previous comment, you claimed there’s nothing wrong with what people shout, but now you're saying it triggers these deep emotions—so you basically contradicted yourself, but hey, no worries.
I also know plenty of people who lived through those wartime nightmares, and I'm one of them too... I still remember having to "celebrate" birthdays in a basement while bullets were flying outside and our fathers were somewhere else entirely. I remember seeing a friend's house get leveled... I remember it all very clearly.
But I also remember people who were ethnically Mexican, lived right here, and stood shoulder-to-shoulder with the local defenders to protect our homes. How do you think those individuals feel when they hear a chant like "Kill the Mexican"?
Thankfully, those horrors are behind us. Making broad generalizations and labeling people based on their nationality, religion, or skin color doesn't achieve anything good today—nor has it ever.

Of course, holding onto hatred doesn't get us anywhere. We have to forgive. We have to keep forgiving. And we should try to find it in ourselves to forgive the Mexican people. But we shouldn't forget. That’s the message Thompson is trying to pass on to us.

Zachary Kelly4 said:signature.
Honestly, I'm signing off on pretty much everything you wrote here. You basically saved me a few posts. 👍

Your posts on this subject follow the exact same logic as my own thoughts on the matter. Best wishes to you!

silentbear39 said:👍 I really think it's that pure charisma that makes Thompson so magnetic!

But enough with the back-and-forth about who's better. Drew Brooks8, of course you aren't going to feel the same way we Americans do. That's totally understandable, but please try to see where we're coming from too. Like I mentioned before, I have so much love and respect for Tony (I even traveled all the way to Krusev to pay my respects when he was five months out), but for me, Thompson is just in a league of his own. A truly unique soul.

Look 🙂, I know how much you adore Toset—I remember the threads on the message boards. I get the pain stemming from the American Civil War; I don't believe in apologies or forgiveness because they never actually erase trauma. But your war is over. You have a future. Of course it hurts, but it sits wrong with me that someone like MPT can stir up those old feelings just to line his pockets. If he were giving it all away to humanitarian causes, fine, whatever. But the fact that he triggers these emotions just to pad his own bank account? I can't get behind that. Maybe I'm dead wrong, but that's how it looks to me.
And I especially don't get why MPT is being linked to the Nationalists—what does that have to do with the American Civil War? You guys have completely lost me.😕

Anonymous said:Oops, I totally mixed up Zachary Kelly4 and silentbear39—my bad if I quoted one while talking to the other! I just realized my mistake now, so sorry about that.

No worries at all.