What's with the "spiritual gurus" on this forum!?

placidharbor7 said:Honestly, is there anything about being human that *isn't* natural?

Hell no. But just because something is considered "natural" right now doesn't mean we shouldn't move past it; honestly, striving to reach a "higher nature" is the most natural thing in the world.

silentcyclist3 said:But still, we rely on the sun. We install solar panels, plant crops based on its cycles, and basically run our lives by daylight.

I agree. We aren't going to change the sun, but that's not really the issue.
The point is to use it—to move toward it rather than running away.

Look, everyone is getting closer to the spiritual side of things every single second, even if it feels like life is just hitting you in the face right now—that's just an illusion.

It really just comes down to how fast you can move, which depends on whether you're actually mature enough to handle the shift. Everyone is going to reach full spiritual realization eventually, period; the only real question is how much of a hurry you're in to embrace your true spiritual nature and stop dragging your feet.

Brian Foster3 said:Hell no. But just because something is considered "natural" right now doesn't mean we shouldn't move past it; honestly, striving to reach a "higher nature" is the most natural thing in the world.

You're missing the whole NATURAL lesson here, truth seeker.

There is no inherent unity, because things and phenomena don't possess some sort of OBJECTIVE UNIFIED CHARACTER—instead, they exist because of the very nature of reason itself. It's our own reason that assigns attributes to everything we see and experience!

If everything were truly "natural" in the way you mean, then everything would be one single thing.
Do you see the NATURAL POINT of reality yet, truth seeker? That point is AWAKENING right where you stand.🙂

Brian Foster3 said:Look, everyone is getting closer to the spiritual side of things every single second, even if it feels like life is just hitting you in the face right now—that's just an illusion.

It really just comes down to how fast you can move, which depends on whether you're actually mature enough to handle the shift. Everyone is going to reach full spiritual realization eventually, period; the only real question is how much of a hurry you're in to embrace your true spiritual nature and stop dragging your feet.

If that's true, how is it even possible to approach the unreachable spiritual realms? If we only exist as a whole through the ego, and the ego is exactly what prevents that contact?

Btw, I suppose I agree that humanity as an organism evolves in cycles. I see a clear parallel in the concept of reincarnation.
Every cycle has its beginning and its end. It carries its own peaks and valleys. Those highs and lows... they constitute growth. A step forward, I guess.
From a macro perspective, the organism moves through these cycles and loops. But the question remains—is there a stopping point? A final destination? Or perhaps the meaning is found within infinity itself.
The fact that everything we have ever known is in constant motion suggests infinity.

silentcyclist3 said:If that's true, how is it even possible to approach the unreachable spiritual realms? If we only exist as a whole through the ego, and the ego is exactly what prevents that contact?

Btw, I suppose I agree that humanity as an organism evolves in cycles. I see a clear parallel in the concept of reincarnation.
Every cycle has its beginning and its end. It carries its own peaks and valleys. Those highs and lows... they constitute growth. A step forward, I guess.
From a macro perspective, the organism moves through these cycles and loops. But the question remains—is there a stopping point? A final destination? Or perhaps the meaning is found within infinity itself.
The fact that everything we have ever known is in constant motion suggests infinity.

Don't be so gullible, silentcyclist3! Don't fall for the trap of "instant answers."
The person you're talking to likely has some sort of ULTIMATE PURPOSE in mind, and along with it, a SUPREME GOVERNOR. It’s just hidden monotheism wrapped up in a layer of secret clergy.

Why not just ask the gentleman: what is the PURPOSE behind existence itself?🙂

silentcyclist3 said:Hmm, looks like I’m being a bit clumsy with my words... maybe.🙂

I’ll say it again. A person should just try to do what's best for themselves and everyone else. I guess that means being active, or maybe... just staying still. It's all part of it.
Awareness regarding how balance is maintained through creation and destruction... I guess it involves understanding. And maybe that understanding itself is peace.
If you ever find yourself wondering why bother doing anything at all when you know the whole thing is destined to fail—simply because that destructive side of balance exists—then I guess my take would be this:

By acting for the greater good, a person builds, frees, cleanses, and strengthens their connection to the "pure spirit." I guess that means there is always a necessity to act, or perhaps, to refrain from acting.
When, what, and how much we should—or shouldn't—do... I guess that all comes down to the framework we operate within. It’s mostly determined by those factors I mentioned earlier, I suppose.

In short, we just do what we can. The rest... I guess we just leave it to the forces beyond our control.

Balance, and who knows what else. If I actually knew the answer to that question, I guess I’d be communicating with you through dreams instead.

Imagination can take you anywhere, I guess. Or nowhere at all. 😉

Everyone has their own sphere of influence. I guess no one is ever just one thing.
A virus is essentially a disease—a form of destruction. I guess that's just its purpose, given what it is.
But he also finds survival and balance within his own world, I guess.

True peace is peace. It’s different from that surface-level calm because it’s absolute. I guess.

Yeah, that's just the fallout from how things went down...🙂

Today’s concept of tolerance... I guess it mostly just reflects how much we've convinced ourselves that we're somehow more valuable than everyone else.

I use the word "probably" to add a bit of humanity to my statements. I guess nobody needs another self-proclaimed saint walking around this earth, acting like they have all the answers. 😉

Whether you act or don't, you are always acting or not acting... it's a constant.😁
How exactly does a person "strengthen a connection" to a "pure spirit"? That implies they are separate entities to begin with... doesn't it?

In short, we do what we can and leave the rest to forces beyond our control.

And there it is—the question of free will. What would your definition even be?

Balance, and who knows what else. If I actually had the answer, I’d probably be communicating with you through dreams.

One never truly knows who is moving where on an astral plane...😎

Everyone has a specific sphere of influence. Given the circumstances, no one is exclusively just one thing.

True enough—sometimes the calm is restless, and the restless is calm... we might just be illusions, points of data within the illusion of space-time flow...

I use the word "probably" to inject a bit of humanity into my statements—nobody needs another self-proclaimed saint walking the earth claiming to know everything.😉

John is a good man, and God is good for looking after him.

placidharbor7 said:briskraven28🤣, how on earth do you manage to raise such sharp objections against the "peripheral"? Your opponent's arguments rely heavily on the concept of "free will," which is honestly enough nonsense to justify just ignoring them altogether. They clearly don't know nearly as much as you do.

When we get to the matter of "cause"... Where... The illusion of points within an illusion of time grants—if one follows the logic—a sense of non-free will... yet everything remains present, in full light, even within that deception?

briskraven28 said:Whether you act or don't, you are always acting or not acting... it's a constant.😁
How exactly does a person "strengthen a connection" to a "pure spirit"? That implies they are separate entities to begin with... doesn't it?

In short, we do what we can and leave the rest to forces beyond our control.

And there it is—the question of free will. What would your definition even be?

Balance, and who knows what else. If I actually had the answer, I’d probably be communicating with you through dreams.

One never truly knows who is moving where on an astral plane...😎

Everyone has a specific sphere of influence. Given the circumstances, no one is exclusively just one thing.

True enough—sometimes the calm is restless, and the restless is calm... we might just be illusions, points of data within the illusion of space-time flow...

I use the word "probably" to inject a bit of humanity into my statements—nobody needs another self-proclaimed saint walking the earth claiming to know everything.😉

John is a good man, and God is good for looking after him.

Maybe read the sentence you're responding to again.

briskraven28 said:Whether you act or don't, you are always acting or not acting... it's a constant.😁
How exactly does a person "strengthen a connection" to a "pure spirit"? That implies they are separate entities to begin with... doesn't it?

In short, we do what we can and leave the rest to forces beyond our control.

And there it is—the question of free will. What would your definition even be?

Balance, and who knows what else. If I actually had the answer, I’d probably be communicating with you through dreams.

One never truly knows who is moving where on an astral plane...😎

Everyone has a specific sphere of influence. Given the circumstances, no one is exclusively just one thing.

True enough—sometimes the calm is restless, and the restless is calm... we might just be illusions, points of data within the illusion of space-time flow...

I use the word "probably" to inject a bit of humanity into my statements—nobody needs another self-proclaimed saint walking the earth claiming to know everything.😉

John is a good man, and God is good for looking after him.

"....strengthening the connection with the 'pure spirit.'

briskraven28 said:Whether you act or don't, you are always acting or not acting... it's a constant.😁
How exactly does a person "strengthen a connection" to a "pure spirit"? That implies they are separate entities to begin with... doesn't it?

In short, we do what we can and leave the rest to forces beyond our control.

And there it is—the question of free will. What would your definition even be?

Balance, and who knows what else. If I actually had the answer, I’d probably be communicating with you through dreams.

One never truly knows who is moving where on an astral plane...😎

Everyone has a specific sphere of influence. Given the circumstances, no one is exclusively just one thing.

True enough—sometimes the calm is restless, and the restless is calm... we might just be illusions, points of data within the illusion of space-time flow...

I use the word "probably" to inject a bit of humanity into my statements—nobody needs another self-proclaimed saint walking the earth claiming to know everything.😉

John is a good man, and God is good for looking after him.

It's about using circumstances that present an opportunity to do good for oneself and others.
Everyone has those moments, and everyone has the capacity to recognize them.
Often, despite the situation, we choose not to take the chance, quite deliberately.
I suppose... people aren't just one single thing, regardless of fate.

briskraven28 said:Whether you act or don't, you are always acting or not acting... it's a constant.😁
How exactly does a person "strengthen a connection" to a "pure spirit"? That implies they are separate entities to begin with... doesn't it?

In short, we do what we can and leave the rest to forces beyond our control.

And there it is—the question of free will. What would your definition even be?

Balance, and who knows what else. If I actually had the answer, I’d probably be communicating with you through dreams.

One never truly knows who is moving where on an astral plane...😎

Everyone has a specific sphere of influence. Given the circumstances, no one is exclusively just one thing.

True enough—sometimes the calm is restless, and the restless is calm... we might just be illusions, points of data within the illusion of space-time flow...

I use the word "probably" to inject a bit of humanity into my statements—nobody needs another self-proclaimed saint walking the earth claiming to know everything.😉

John is a good man, and God is good for looking after him.

An illusion is always "real," I guess, no matter how wide the frame we put it in.

placidharbor7 said:You're missing the whole NATURAL lesson here, truth seeker.

There is no inherent unity, because things and phenomena don't possess some sort of OBJECTIVE UNIFIED CHARACTER—instead, they exist because of the very nature of reason itself. It's our own reason that assigns attributes to everything we see and experience!

If everything were truly "natural" in the way you mean, then everything would be one single thing.
Do you see the NATURAL POINT of reality yet, truth seeker? That point is AWAKENING right where you stand.🙂

And look, reason is just another thing or phenomenon—honestly, it’s nothing more than a tool used to get what you want, and desire is pure matter.

If everything is NATURAL, then everything is ONE.
Are you catching the NATURAL POINT of reality, truth seeker? That point is AWAKENING right where you stand.🙂

That kind of instant, on-the-spot awakening happens... but only when a person is actually ready and built up enough to handle it. It hasn't happened before if they aren't ready. If someone catches a glimpse of perfection out of nowhere, it's not because they earned it; it’s just handed down from above for a specific purpose, and it vanishes almost immediately. But that memory stays, haunting them, driving them to finally earn it for themselves one day. Once that happens, it never disappears again. Ever.

By the way, all this constant badgering about "waking up right now" feels like you're trying to shake fruit off a tree that hasn't even bloomed yet.

silentcyclist3 said:If that's true, how is it even possible to approach the unreachable spiritual realms? If we only exist as a whole through the ego, and the ego is exactly what prevents that contact?

Btw, I suppose I agree that humanity as an organism evolves in cycles. I see a clear parallel in the concept of reincarnation.
Every cycle has its beginning and its end. It carries its own peaks and valleys. Those highs and lows... they constitute growth. A step forward, I guess.
From a macro perspective, the organism moves through these cycles and loops. But the question remains—is there a stopping point? A final destination? Or perhaps the meaning is found within infinity itself.
The fact that everything we have ever known is in constant motion suggests infinity.

It sounds totally insane, I know, but you actually have to grow and expand the ego to make it happen—not that animalistic, everyday ego, but a spiritual one.
Because look, once the ego reaches a certain scale, it’s finally ready to handle what placidharbor7 keeps hammering home: the gateway into the spiritual. But first, you have to want it with everything you've got. No holding back. And let's be real, most of us are still lugging around these massive leftovers of selfish desire that just drag us away from the goal. All those little things we want "for ourselves"—they're still there, they have to be, because you need that opposition to create perception...

By the way, I'm totally with you on the idea that humanity evolves in cycles. You see it clearly when you look at the concept of reincarnation.
Every cycle has its own start and finish, full of peaks and absolute crashes. It's those highs and lows combined that actually drive our progress forward.
If you step back and look at the big picture, the entire human organism moves through these repeating loops. The real question, though, is whether there's an actual stopping point—some final destination—or if the whole point is just to exist within infinity.
The fact that everything we've ever known is in constant motion points straight toward infinity.

And here comes another absurd answer for you: the stopping point, the destination, *is* infinity. In the Kabbalah, they call it Ein Sof (without end). We all originated from there, fell down here, and now we're trying to earn our way back to that "state," but this time fully aware and fully formed. At the beginning, we were nothing more than a seed. This whole evolutionary process is just the growth and unfolding of that seed called Creation, which finds its peak in Humanity. But I'm talking about the spiritual human—the one who actually perceives the divine—not just your average Joe walking around every day...

silentcyclist3 said:Hmm, looks like I’m being a bit clumsy with my words... maybe.🙂

I’ll say it again. A person should just try to do what's best for themselves and everyone else. I guess that means being active, or maybe... just staying still. It's all part of it.
Awareness regarding how balance is maintained through creation and destruction... I guess it involves understanding. And maybe that understanding itself is peace.
If you ever find yourself wondering why bother doing anything at all when you know the whole thing is destined to fail—simply because that destructive side of balance exists—then I guess my take would be this:

By acting for the greater good, a person builds, frees, cleanses, and strengthens their connection to the "pure spirit." I guess that means there is always a necessity to act, or perhaps, to refrain from acting.
When, what, and how much we should—or shouldn't—do... I guess that all comes down to the framework we operate within. It’s mostly determined by those factors I mentioned earlier, I suppose.

In short, we just do what we can. The rest... I guess we just leave it to the forces beyond our control.

Balance, and who knows what else. If I actually knew the answer to that question, I guess I’d be communicating with you through dreams instead.

Imagination can take you anywhere, I guess. Or nowhere at all. 😉

Everyone has their own sphere of influence. I guess no one is ever just one thing.
A virus is essentially a disease—a form of destruction. I guess that's just its purpose, given what it is.
But he also finds survival and balance within his own world, I guess.

True peace is peace. It’s different from that surface-level calm because it’s absolute. I guess.

Yeah, that's just the fallout from how things went down...🙂

Today’s concept of tolerance... I guess it mostly just reflects how much we've convinced ourselves that we're somehow more valuable than everyone else.

I use the word "probably" to add a bit of humanity to my statements. I guess nobody needs another self-proclaimed saint walking around this earth, acting like they have all the answers. 😉

If a person creates in the direction of the "greater good," then they are building—strengthening, let's call it—a sort of spirit of unity. Is that what you mean by "pure spirit"? It feels like a matter of terminology to me; when you say it is "always necessary to act or not to act," you aren't referring to the individual, but rather to some universal relationship
of action and reaction—constructive versus destructive...?

"....strengthens the connection with the 'pure spirit'."

I ask because if the "pure spirit" is everything that exists—whatever you want to call it: consciousness, the absolute, God, the collective nothingness...—how can we strengthen something that we already are, and are uniquely and solely?...

Utilizing circumstances that present an opportunity to do good for oneself and others.
Everyone possesses such opportunities, as well as the capacity to recognize them.
Often, despite the circumstances, we willfully and consciously fail to seize the chance.

And what are the reasons for failing to recognize that capacity? To reach that point, something must be overcome. What is it that gets bypassed? Judgment? Because if I harbor judgment within myself, all other low passions follow—vengeance, malice, envy, hatred... Once you realize this ability to open yourself to—let's call it—the "greater good," it becomes difficult to return to incapacity; it becomes hard to resent or judge anymore. To react, yes—but to judge, no...

An illusion is always "real," regardless of the "width" of the frame we place it in.

The width of the frame and the illusion are one and the same; the frame cannot be wider than the illusion—especially not the other way around. That illusion is everything. Or rather, what lies outside the illusion (the frame)? Is that just another illusion? A higher level of illusion?...

Brian Foster3 said:And look, reason is just another thing or phenomenon—honestly, it’s nothing more than a tool used to get what you want, and desire is pure matter.

If everything is NATURAL, then everything is ONE.
Are you catching the NATURAL POINT of reality, truth seeker? That point is AWAKENING right where you stand.🙂

That kind of instant, on-the-spot awakening happens... but only when a person is actually ready and built up enough to handle it. It hasn't happened before if they aren't ready. If someone catches a glimpse of perfection out of nowhere, it's not because they earned it; it’s just handed down from above for a specific purpose, and it vanishes almost immediately. But that memory stays, haunting them, driving them to finally earn it for themselves one day. Once that happens, it never disappears again. Ever.

By the way, all this constant badgering about "waking up right now" feels like you're trying to shake fruit off a tree that hasn't even bloomed yet.

But if the tool itself is just pure visualization, then there isn't really anything left—neither the tool nor the result!🙂

Brian Foster3 said:And look, reason is just another thing or phenomenon—honestly, it’s nothing more than a tool used to get what you want, and desire is pure matter.

If everything is NATURAL, then everything is ONE.
Are you catching the NATURAL POINT of reality, truth seeker? That point is AWAKENING right where you stand.🙂

That kind of instant, on-the-spot awakening happens... but only when a person is actually ready and built up enough to handle it. It hasn't happened before if they aren't ready. If someone catches a glimpse of perfection out of nowhere, it's not because they earned it; it’s just handed down from above for a specific purpose, and it vanishes almost immediately. But that memory stays, haunting them, driving them to finally earn it for themselves one day. Once that happens, it never disappears again. Ever.

By the way, all this constant badgering about "waking up right now" feels like you're trying to shake fruit off a tree that hasn't even bloomed yet.

So, you're basically participating in a global conspiracy against the intelligence of the human race! I mean, come on, the entire history of the Kabbalah hasn't produced
nearly as many of these "awakenings" of yours as there are fingers on both hands.
Which means the catch is somewhere else entirely, Brian Foster3.
Find it, and then you'll actually wake up!

Brian Foster3 said:And look, reason is just another thing or phenomenon—honestly, it’s nothing more than a tool used to get what you want, and desire is pure matter.

If everything is NATURAL, then everything is ONE.
Are you catching the NATURAL POINT of reality, truth seeker? That point is AWAKENING right where you stand.🙂

That kind of instant, on-the-spot awakening happens... but only when a person is actually ready and built up enough to handle it. It hasn't happened before if they aren't ready. If someone catches a glimpse of perfection out of nowhere, it's not because they earned it; it’s just handed down from above for a specific purpose, and it vanishes almost immediately. But that memory stays, haunting them, driving them to finally earn it for themselves one day. Once that happens, it never disappears again. Ever.

By the way, all this constant badgering about "waking up right now" feels like you're trying to shake fruit off a tree that hasn't even bloomed yet.

It must be tough for placidharbor7 to deal with people who just fall off the tree on their own, without any shaking or even being called to it! What else are you going to do? Just sit there, all muddled up, pretending to be "spiritually" confused?😁

Brian Foster3 said:It sounds totally insane, I know, but you actually have to grow and expand the ego to make it happen—not that animalistic, everyday ego, but a spiritual one.
Because look, once the ego reaches a certain scale, it’s finally ready to handle what placidharbor7 keeps hammering home: the gateway into the spiritual. But first, you have to want it with everything you've got. No holding back. And let's be real, most of us are still lugging around these massive leftovers of selfish desire that just drag us away from the goal. All those little things we want "for ourselves"—they're still there, they have to be, because you need that opposition to create perception...

By the way, I'm totally with you on the idea that humanity evolves in cycles. You see it clearly when you look at the concept of reincarnation.
Every cycle has its own start and finish, full of peaks and absolute crashes. It's those highs and lows combined that actually drive our progress forward.
If you step back and look at the big picture, the entire human organism moves through these repeating loops. The real question, though, is whether there's an actual stopping point—some final destination—or if the whole point is just to exist within infinity.
The fact that everything we've ever known is in constant motion points straight toward infinity.

And here comes another absurd answer for you: the stopping point, the destination, *is* infinity. In the Kabbalah, they call it Ein Sof (without end). We all originated from there, fell down here, and now we're trying to earn our way back to that "state," but this time fully aware and fully formed. At the beginning, we were nothing more than a seed. This whole evolutionary process is just the growth and unfolding of that seed called Creation, which finds its peak in Humanity. But I'm talking about the spiritual human—the one who actually perceives the divine—not just your average Joe walking around every day...

That "entry into the spiritual" is a wild ride; there's a kind of hell waiting before you enter, a struggle within the journey itself, and a challenge before you finally emerge. And once you truly step out of that illusion? There's no going back.😢

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placidharbor7 said:But if the tool itself is just pure visualization, then there isn't really anything left—neither the tool nor the result!🙂

So, you're basically participating in a global conspiracy against the intelligence of the human race! I mean, come on, the entire history of the Kabbalah hasn't produced
nearly as many of these "awakenings" of yours as there are fingers on both hands.
Which means the catch is somewhere else entirely, Brian Foster3.
Find it, and then you'll actually wake up!

It must be tough for placidharbor7 to deal with people who just fall off the tree on their own, without any shaking or even being called to it! What else are you going to do? Just sit there, all muddled up, pretending to be "spiritually" confused?😁

The plum trees are finally starting to bloom... honestly, it’s about damn time! 😁

placidharbor7 said:That "entry into the spiritual" is a wild ride; there's a kind of hell waiting before you enter, a struggle within the journey itself, and a challenge before you finally emerge. And once you truly step out of that illusion? There's no going back.😢

Well, thanks for finally coming clean about where you actually stand. Just keep drinking, keep sipping ... 😁

Brian Foster3 said:Well, thanks for finally coming clean about where you actually stand. Just keep drinking, keep sipping ... 😁

So, what are we supposed to do about this total count of Kabbalah-awakened souls? We're talking fewer than ten people in the entire history of the Kabbalah!
Seriously, just relax and enjoy the ride!😢

placidharbor7 said:So, what are we supposed to do about this total count of Kabbalah-awakened souls? We're talking fewer than ten people in the entire history of the Kabbalah!
Seriously, just relax and enjoy the ride!😢

Look, it’s honestly ridiculous having to deal with someone who’s so incredibly arrogant and completely delusional that they actually think they have the right to claim the total number of awakened people in all of Kabbalah history is less than ten fingers. You're just talking nonsense at this point. I'm done feeding into your nonsense. ☕

Brian Foster3 said:Look, it’s honestly ridiculous having to deal with someone who’s so incredibly arrogant and completely delusional that they actually think they have the right to claim the total number of awakened people in all of Kabbalah history is less than ten fingers. You're just talking nonsense at this point. I'm done feeding into your nonsense. ☕

AWAKENING is just like a sparrow perched on a branch—if you have truly AWAKENED, the whole world is going to know about it. Just ask that malicious Ali Mansur.

The Kabbalah is hermetic because it is MUTE, EXPOSED, and LIFELESS. It’s quite a feat, isn't it? That it has produced less AWAKENING than the number of fingers on just one hand. Things would have gone haywire regardless of whether there were Kabbalists involved or not.

The Kabbalah knows nothing about the ILLUMINATION BURST, disharmony. And it knows even less about the NECESSITY of revealing one's personal AWAKENING. Sapient s/r/at.

placidharbor7 said:AWAKENING is just like a sparrow perched on a branch—if you have truly AWAKENED, the whole world is going to know about it. Just ask that malicious Ali Mansur.

The Kabbalah is hermetic because it is MUTE, EXPOSED, and LIFELESS. It’s quite a feat, isn't it? That it has produced less AWAKENING than the number of fingers on just one hand. Things would have gone haywire regardless of whether there were Kabbalists involved or not.

The Kabbalah knows nothing about the ILLUMINATION BURST, disharmony. And it knows even less about the NECESSITY of revealing one's personal AWAKENING. Sapient s/r/at.

You hit the nail on the head. Kabbalah doesn't know squat about that "illumination blast," and if you ask me, they actually argue for the exact opposite when it comes to needing to share your personal awakening.
But let's be real, placidharbor7 doesn't know a single thing about Kabbalah either.

Brian Foster3 said:You hit the nail on the head. Kabbalah doesn't know squat about that "illumination blast," and if you ask me, they actually argue for the exact opposite when it comes to needing to share your personal awakening.
But let's be real, placidharbor7 doesn't know a single thing about Kabbalah either.

They hold the opposite position simply because they haven't the slightest inkling regarding the NATURAL, UNSTOPPABLE NECESSITY of broadcasting one's personal awakening to the whole world, truth seeker.

"Truth can be written on the back of a postage stamp," an old teacher once said. "But lies? Lies require entire volumes," as placidharbor7 adds.

Come on then, why don't you be a dear and share some of that wisdom from your illuminati? Just enough to give placidharbor7 a little nudge! Go ahead—tell us what those Cabalers of yours claim after they've supposedly "achieved" it.🙂