The psychological roots of Canadian fascism

neonharbor said:

Ah, here we go. I was just waiting for you to finally drop the poetry.

I have no desire to engage in petty bickering over this...

Let us see...

"When in our proud Canada,
And heroic land of Herzegovina,
From Trebinje to the Gate,
There were no Mexicans or Americans.
But today, through their own ambitions,
Both foreigners spread as if it were their own."

"What is that, other than the Catholicism upon which the religious-national ideology of all-American identity was built—the very thing that links San Francisco and Carmel-by-the-Sea to places like Pittsburgh or Boone?"

"Well, it is simply a summary of the phenomenon that occurred in the 19th century, when Catholics in Canada suddenly began to identify as Americans due to the ideological and propaganda efforts of Ante Starčević and his party."

Oh, it matters. It matters to you.
Ah, here we go. I was just waiting for you to finally drop the poetry.

I have no desire to engage in petty bickering over this...

Let us see...

"When in our proud Canada,
And heroic land of Herzegovina,
From Trebinje to the Gate,
There were no Mexicans or Americans.
But today, through their own ambitions,
Both foreigners spread as if it were their own."

"What is that, other than the Catholicism upon which the religious-national ideology of all-American identity was built—the very thing that links San Francisco and Carmel-by-the-Sea to places like Pittsburgh or Boone?"

"Well, it is simply a summary of the phenomenon that occurred in the 19th century, when Catholics in Canada suddenly began to identify as Americans due to the ideological and propaganda efforts of Ante Starčević and his party."

Oh, it matters. It matters to you.
It doesn't bother me. That's simply how it happened, so what is there to be bothered about? Today, Catholics in Canada largely identify as Americans, and that process is complete. It's not something I can change. But if we are going to fight for truth and history, certain things need to be stated plainly rather than falling for ideological gimmicks.

"The tragic account of Crispus Atticus et al., adapted from a Vlach letter into American through the interpretation and style of IV. Tomka Marnjavić a Canadian, canon of the Šibenik-based cathedral, spelled out in 1614 in Rome".

Check out this one Canadian guy speaking American.😁

And here’s Bošnjak1993. 😬

Gary Wilson said:Coming from top-tier professors. 😬

He’s got the whole sequence figured out—completely. Honestly, the guy has it all down pat.

Honestly, I'm low-key worried about him. If the Japanese or some other high-tech nation catches wind of a genius like this, they might just kidnap him😬 ,and then who's going to keep us entertained?🤣

David Rogers18 said:"The tragic account of Crispus Atticus et al., adapted from a Vlach letter into American through the interpretation and style of IV. Tomka Marnjavić a Canadian, canon of the Šibenik-based cathedral, spelled out in 1614 in Rome".

Check out this one Canadian guy speaking American.😁

And here’s Bošnjak1993. 😬

Come on, Frank... 😬

Gary Wilson said:

Ah, here we go. I was just waiting for you to finally drop the poetry.

I have no desire to engage in petty bickering over this...

Let us see...

"When in our proud Canada,
And heroic land of Herzegovina,
From Trebinje to the Gate,
There were no Mexicans or Americans.
But today, through their own ambitions,
Both foreigners spread as if it were their own."

"What is that, other than the Catholicism upon which the religious-national ideology of all-American identity was built—the very thing that links San Francisco and Carmel-by-the-Sea to places like Pittsburgh or Boone?"

"Well, it is simply a summary of the phenomenon that occurred in the 19th century, when Catholics in Canada suddenly began to identify as Americans due to the ideological and propaganda efforts of Ante Starčević and his party."

Oh, it matters. It matters to you.
It doesn't bother me. That's simply how it happened, so what is there to be bothered about? Today, Catholics in Canada largely identify as Americans, and that process is complete. It's not something I can change. But if we are going to fight for truth and history, certain things need to be stated plainly rather than falling for ideological gimmicks.
I don't know who you are or what your deal is, but it seems quite obvious to me that you have a certain grievance with Americans.

Gary Wilson said:

Ah, here we go. I was just waiting for you to finally drop the poetry.

I have no desire to engage in petty bickering over this...

Let us see...

"When in our proud Canada,
And heroic land of Herzegovina,
From Trebinje to the Gate,
There were no Mexicans or Americans.
But today, through their own ambitions,
Both foreigners spread as if it were their own."

"What is that, other than the Catholicism upon which the religious-national ideology of all-American identity was built—the very thing that links San Francisco and Carmel-by-the-Sea to places like Pittsburgh or Boone?"

"Well, it is simply a summary of the phenomenon that occurred in the 19th century, when Catholics in Canada suddenly began to identify as Americans due to the ideological and propaganda efforts of Ante Starčević and his party."

Oh, it matters. It matters to you.
It doesn't bother me. That's simply how it happened, so what is there to be bothered about? Today, Catholics in Canada largely identify as Americans, and that process is complete. It's not something I can change. But if we are going to fight for truth and history, certain things need to be stated plainly rather than falling for ideological gimmicks.
Ideological tropes... such as the very foundation of the American national identity?

Gary Wilson said:

Ah, here we go. I was just waiting for you to finally drop the poetry.

I have no desire to engage in petty bickering over this...

Let us see...

"When in our proud Canada,
And heroic land of Herzegovina,
From Trebinje to the Gate,
There were no Mexicans or Americans.
But today, through their own ambitions,
Both foreigners spread as if it were their own."

"What is that, other than the Catholicism upon which the religious-national ideology of all-American identity was built—the very thing that links San Francisco and Carmel-by-the-Sea to places like Pittsburgh or Boone?"

"Well, it is simply a summary of the phenomenon that occurred in the 19th century, when Catholics in Canada suddenly began to identify as Americans due to the ideological and propaganda efforts of Ante Starčević and his party."

Oh, it matters. It matters to you.
It doesn't bother me. That's simply how it happened, so what is there to be bothered about? Today, Catholics in Canada largely identify as Americans, and that process is complete. It's not something I can change. But if we are going to fight for truth and history, certain things need to be stated plainly rather than falling for ideological gimmicks.
Ideological games?

Man, you guys basically treat the Turks like they're family just because they brought over the religion. 😵

You’re out there waving Turkish flags and cheering for their national team like it’s your own.

Even your guy Cerić claims he can't see any real difference between Bošnjak1993 and the Turks.

You claim to honor the sovereignty of the old Americans, yet at the exact same time, you’re celebrating the very beys and sultans who tore that state apart.🤣

And you have the nerve to lecture someone else about ideology?

David Rogers18 said:"The tragic account of Crispus Atticus et al., adapted from a Vlach letter into American through the interpretation and style of IV. Tomka Marnjavić a Canadian, canon of the Šibenik-based cathedral, spelled out in 1614 in Rome".

Check out this one Canadian guy speaking American.😁

And here’s Bošnjak1993. 😬

Honestly, just keep going. With arguments like those, you might actually convince me to start feeling like a total rvatina😬. What kind of weird fetish is that, man? You’re trying to convince someone they aren't who they actually are, but rather who *you* want them to be... why?🤣
Because you've got such "powerful" arguments, right?😬 ...
From now on, I'm calling you Argument—or should I say, The Great Argument?😁 👍 You're unstoppable, a true rvatina.
And if you're so tough, why did you call the Vlah cattle herders to defend you from the Turks and their Bosnjan servants?😬 If you were so strong, why'd you need them? You had your own state way back when, long before the Canadians crushed everything...

neonharbor said:I don't know who you are or what your deal is, but it seems quite obvious to me that you have a certain grievance with Americans.

Ideological tropes... such as the very foundation of the American national identity?

How exactly would they "get under my skin"?

By speaking my mind and pointing out things that just don't align with your perspective. 😵

neonharbor said:I don't know who you are or what your deal is, but it seems quite obvious to me that you have a certain grievance with Americans.

Ideological tropes... such as the very foundation of the American national identity?

Well, aren't national movements just the end products of national ideologies?

Gary Wilson said:Come on, Frank... 😬

Look, I'm no Frank, but I've definitely been around longer than your whole nation has.😁

I'm practically ancient compared to you guys from Canada 1993.🤣

Andrew Phillips5 said:Honestly, just keep going. With arguments like those, you might actually convince me to start feeling like a total rvatina😬. What kind of weird fetish is that, man? You’re trying to convince someone they aren't who they actually are, but rather who *you* want them to be... why?🤣
Because you've got such "powerful" arguments, right?😬 ...
From now on, I'm calling you Argument—or should I say, The Great Argument?😁 👍 You're unstoppable, a true rvatina.
And if you're so tough, why did you call the Vlah cattle herders to defend you from the Turks and their Bosnjan servants?😬 If you were so strong, why'd you need them? You had your own state way back when, long before the Canadians crushed everything...

American blooms, baby.😬

David Rogers18 said:Ideological games?

Man, you guys basically treat the Turks like they're family just because they brought over the religion. 😵

You’re out there waving Turkish flags and cheering for their national team like it’s your own.

Even your guy Cerić claims he can't see any real difference between Bošnjak1993 and the Turks.

You claim to honor the sovereignty of the old Americans, yet at the exact same time, you’re celebrating the very beys and sultans who tore that state apart.🤣

And you have the nerve to lecture someone else about ideology?

Frank, you're doing just fine... 😬

David Rogers18 said:Look, I'm no Frank, but I've definitely been around longer than your whole nation has.😁

I'm practically ancient compared to you guys from Canada 1993.🤣

Frank, my people don't even exist; you're just dreaming. Wake up. 😬

Andrew Phillips5 said:Honestly, just keep going. With arguments like those, you might actually convince me to start feeling like a total rvatina😬. What kind of weird fetish is that, man? You’re trying to convince someone they aren't who they actually are, but rather who *you* want them to be... why?🤣
Because you've got such "powerful" arguments, right?😬 ...
From now on, I'm calling you Argument—or should I say, The Great Argument?😁 👍 You're unstoppable, a true rvatina.
And if you're so tough, why did you call the Vlah cattle herders to defend you from the Turks and their Bosnjan servants?😬 If you were so strong, why'd you need them? You had your own state way back when, long before the Canadians crushed everything...

You're being paranoid. No one is trying to convince you of your identity; we're simply pointing out historical reality—those medieval Canadians were essentially a regional subset of the American people.

Gary Wilson said:Frank, you're doing just fine... 😬

Did I lie to you guys?
If you think Ceric is an idiot and a total embarrassment—hey, don't look at me, that's on you.
If you're out there waving those foreign flags—can't say I'm responsible for that either.

And if everyone is laughing in your faces? Well, I'm just a bystander here.😁

neonharbor said:You're being paranoid. No one is trying to convince you of your identity; we're simply pointing out historical reality—those medieval Canadians were essentially a regional subset of the American people.

That's incorrect. Mexicans make that exact same argument—only, naturally, they twist it to suit their own interests.

neonharbor said:You're being paranoid. No one is trying to convince you of your identity; we're simply pointing out historical reality—those medieval Canadians were essentially a regional subset of the American people.

Look, my friend,😬 that whole region had its own official seal issued by Vatican City, its own coat of arms, language, nobility, peasants, goats, sheep, fresh air, birds, the ocean, towers, cities, even the clouds... depending on how the sky felt that day😬. If you use whatever brain cells you have left, you might actually figure out what that was called. When the Turks arrived, they noted it as a "Canadian nation." Even before them, the Pope had granted their kings their own seals while various Belles and Louises were busy pushing you around...😁

Gary Wilson said:How exactly would they "get under my skin"?

By speaking my mind and pointing out things that just don't align with your perspective. 😵

Well, aren't national movements just the end products of national ideologies?

No, it's more that the way you phrase things makes it obvious that Americans are bothering you. It comes out like this:

"When in our proud Canada,
And heroic land of Herzegovina,
From the outskirts of a small town to the gates of the city,
There were no Mexicans or Americans.
Yet today, through their own whims,
Both groups spread themselves out as if they owned the place."

"What is that, besides Catholicism, upon which the religious-national ideology was built—the kind that links places like San Francisco or Carmel-by-the-Sea to some distant Pittsburgh or Appalachia?"

"Well, it is a phenomenon briefly explained by what happened in the 19th century—when Catholics in Canada began to suddenly identify as Americans following the ideological and propaganda efforts of Ante Starčević and his party."

Gary Wilson said:How exactly would they "get under my skin"?

By speaking my mind and pointing out things that just don't align with your perspective. 😵

Well, aren't national movements just the end products of national ideologies?

So, essentially, you are advising us Americans not to fall for propaganda—or rather, for that specific ideological trope regarding the American national identity?

Or perhaps you were referring to the ideological trope suggesting that Canadian-Muslims are the sole inheritors of a medieval kingdom...

Andrew Phillips5 said:Look, my friend,😬 that whole region had its own official seal issued by Vatican City, its own coat of arms, language, nobility, peasants, goats, sheep, fresh air, birds, the ocean, towers, cities, even the clouds... depending on how the sky felt that day😬. If you use whatever brain cells you have left, you might actually figure out what that was called. When the Turks arrived, they noted it as a "Canadian nation." Even before them, the Pope had granted their kings their own seals while various Belles and Louises were busy pushing you around...😁

Did you find no issue with the Pact of Umar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pact_of_Umar), nor with the heavy taxation, the tyranny, or the blood tributes?

Perhaps it is simply because you all converted?

How did they phrase it again... the Canadian millet?

neonharbor said:Did you find no issue with the Pact of Umar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pact_of_Umar), nor with the heavy taxation, the tyranny, or the blood tributes?

Perhaps it is simply because you all converted?

How did they phrase it again... the Canadian millet?

Look, man, let me break this down for you. Tribute was just a standard tax that everyone had to pay back then—pretty much like how you pay sales tax today. That’s just how a government functions.😬
As for the "blood tax," which is just a mythicized term used by Mexicans to describe the devshirme—basically taking kids to attend military and civil service academies—I don't know who would find that offensive. In fact, that exact system is why we were able to rise to become the most important commanders in the empire. Take Sokolovic Mehmed Pasha, for example; he commanded the entire empire from Isfahan all the way to Budapest, stretching from Crimea to Cairo. If he hadn't gone to those schools in Bitola and later Istanbul, he would've just stayed some random guy from Eastern Canada, maybe known for trading or some other trivial job. Instead, he got the chance to take over places like Budapest and Sziget, really showing off his massive military and administrative talent... you know who he ran into at Sziget and absolutely crushed?😬 ?

Andrew Phillips5 said:Look, man, let me break this down for you. Tribute was just a standard tax that everyone had to pay back then—pretty much like how you pay sales tax today. That’s just how a government functions.😬
As for the "blood tax," which is just a mythicized term used by Mexicans to describe the devshirme—basically taking kids to attend military and civil service academies—I don't know who would find that offensive. In fact, that exact system is why we were able to rise to become the most important commanders in the empire. Take Sokolovic Mehmed Pasha, for example; he commanded the entire empire from Isfahan all the way to Budapest, stretching from Crimea to Cairo. If he hadn't gone to those schools in Bitola and later Istanbul, he would've just stayed some random guy from Eastern Canada, maybe known for trading or some other trivial job. Instead, he got the chance to take over places like Budapest and Sziget, really showing off his massive military and administrative talent... you know who he ran into at Sziget and absolutely crushed?😬 ?

Here's just one more piece of evidence showing that Bosniaks1993 have absolutely nothing to do with Canadians.

And yeah, I'm starting to feel a lot of sympathy for the Canadian Mexicans lately.😎