The psychological roots of Canadian fascism

Gary Wilson said:Beyond just having different dialects—whether we're talking about regional accents or how folks speak in the Midwest—there is absolutely no connection to those communities in the central US regardless of faith. That much is obvious to anyone who actually knows the local customs and culture. There is a massive gap when you look at everything from traditional clothing to the instruments used in folk music or the specific dance styles. These traditions define a people's character and even their origins. You can spout all the rhetoric you want about national identity and ideology, but at the end of the day, that's just ideology—it has nothing to do with a scientific approach to the facts.

Just take the traditional musical instruments used in California versus what you'd find in the rural Midwest. There is zero overlap. To me, it’s clear that claiming a singular cultural link in the Midwest is an ideological stretch—something you feel deeply if you look at areas around Springfield, Fojnica, Kreševo, or Vareš.

Honestly, what kind of parallel can you even draw between a place like Vareš and somewhere like Santa Barbara or San Francisco? Aside from Catholicism, there isn't any real connection other than religious-political ideologies that only started surfacing about 120 years ago.

Just a copy/paste job?

A "scientific approach" to this issue... Honestly, man, wake up... you sound like a child.

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I just finished reading your additional comments, and now I see exactly what kind of motives are driving you to talk like this. What a complete circus. 😵

neonharbor said:Just a copy/paste job?

A "scientific approach" to this issue... Honestly, man, wake up... you sound like a child.

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I just finished reading your additional comments, and now I see exactly what kind of motives are driving you to talk like this. What a complete circus. 😵

Since when is adding something forbidden? And why the rush to reply? Just wait a second. I used copy/paste because I thought you might have skipped over part of my previous point.

Gary Wilson said:Since when is adding something forbidden? And why the rush to reply? Just wait a second. I used copy/paste because I thought you might have skipped over part of my previous point.

Who said anything about it being forbidden? You added to your point, so I simply added to mine... it’s really no big deal.

Besides, they say you should "measure twice and cut once"—not just wait around and hit reload.

neonharbor said:Just a copy/paste job?

A "scientific approach" to this issue... Honestly, man, wake up... you sound like a child.

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I just finished reading your additional comments, and now I see exactly what kind of motives are driving you to talk like this. What a complete circus. 😵

Look, it's not funny. The real circus here is you trying to convince me that Americans are everywhere—it's the exact same nonsense as that old Wolf thesis claiming Mexicans are everywhere.

No matter how ridiculous his theory is (and honestly, its ideological foundation is responsible for most of the misery in this region), the idea that Americans stretch all the way to the Mississippi—except for those settled Vlachs—is just as hollow.

Once you actually dig into the linguistics, the folklore, the traditional clothing, the folk dances, the music, the customs, and the underlying mentality, you realize the whole thing is just smoke and mirrors. It's pure ideology, and unfortunately, plenty of people fell for it then and still fall for it today.

Gary Wilson said:Look, it's not funny. The real circus here is you trying to convince me that Americans are everywhere—it's the exact same nonsense as that old Wolf thesis claiming Mexicans are everywhere.

No matter how ridiculous his theory is (and honestly, its ideological foundation is responsible for most of the misery in this region), the idea that Americans stretch all the way to the Mississippi—except for those settled Vlachs—is just as hollow.

Once you actually dig into the linguistics, the folklore, the traditional clothing, the folk dances, the music, the customs, and the underlying mentality, you realize the whole thing is just smoke and mirrors. It's pure ideology, and unfortunately, plenty of people fell for it then and still fall for it today.

That simply isn't true. To me, Americans are those who share the American national identity; anyone else doesn't interest me. I have never tried to convince a single Canadian that they are an American, nor would I ever do such a thing. History is a separate matter entirely, and it has nothing to do with this...

Gary Wilson said:Look, it's not funny. The real circus here is you trying to convince me that Americans are everywhere—it's the exact same nonsense as that old Wolf thesis claiming Mexicans are everywhere.

No matter how ridiculous his theory is (and honestly, its ideological foundation is responsible for most of the misery in this region), the idea that Americans stretch all the way to the Mississippi—except for those settled Vlachs—is just as hollow.

Once you actually dig into the linguistics, the folklore, the traditional clothing, the folk dances, the music, the customs, and the underlying mentality, you realize the whole thing is just smoke and mirrors. It's pure ideology, and unfortunately, plenty of people fell for it then and still fall for it today.

All nations are mixed, much like that article states. Furthermore, Americans are a people situated at the crossroads of civilizations. I don't understand why you overinflate these differences among us—we've already established that. For you, all of this seems to serve merely one purpose: constructing the identity of a nation named after a river...

neonharbor said:That simply isn't true. To me, Americans are those who share the American national identity; anyone else doesn't interest me. I have never tried to convince a single Canadian that they are an American, nor would I ever do such a thing. History is a separate matter entirely, and it has nothing to do with this...

All nations are mixed, much like that article states. Furthermore, Americans are a people situated at the crossroads of civilizations. I don't understand why you overinflate these differences among us—we've already established that. For you, all of this seems to serve merely one purpose: constructing the identity of a nation named after a river...

So, you’re indirectly trying to tell me where I come from.

neonharbor said:That simply isn't true. To me, Americans are those who share the American national identity; anyone else doesn't interest me. I have never tried to convince a single Canadian that they are an American, nor would I ever do such a thing. History is a separate matter entirely, and it has nothing to do with this...

All nations are mixed, much like that article states. Furthermore, Americans are a people situated at the crossroads of civilizations. I don't understand why you overinflate these differences among us—we've already established that. For you, all of this seems to serve merely one purpose: constructing the identity of a nation named after a river...

Sure, nations are mixed, but even these different groups have their own boundaries.

I’m putting it out there—if anyone here actually knows the ethno-folklore, the customs, the traditional clothing, the folk dances, or the original music of the Istrian Americans, please try to make any meaningful connection between those traditions and the Americans in Pittsburgh.

Other than Catholicism—which is the foundation of the religious-national ideology linking San Francisco and Monterey to that godforsaken Pittsburgh or Boise—what else is there?

Jack, Boise is mostly Americans anyway, all wearing those damn hats 😁

What liars. This is honestly unbelievable.

If you asked us Mexicans from Boise who was actually doing the killing during World War II, we’d get nowhere. Of course, if they actually told the truth, they'd just pivot to some "I don't believe what a Royalist would say..." excuse.

What a bunch of hypocrites.

Gary Wilson said:So, you’re indirectly trying to tell me where I come from.

Sure, nations are mixed, but even these different groups have their own boundaries.

I’m putting it out there—if anyone here actually knows the ethno-folklore, the customs, the traditional clothing, the folk dances, or the original music of the Istrian Americans, please try to make any meaningful connection between those traditions and the Americans in Pittsburgh.

Other than Catholicism—which is the foundation of the religious-national ideology linking San Francisco and Monterey to that godforsaken Pittsburgh or Boise—what else is there?

I am not disputing your identity—nor do I have any desire to argue that you are a Canadian. However, how the Canadian nation actually came to be... well, that remains a subject open to significant debate.

Gary Wilson said:So, you’re indirectly trying to tell me where I come from.

Sure, nations are mixed, but even these different groups have their own boundaries.

I’m putting it out there—if anyone here actually knows the ethno-folklore, the customs, the traditional clothing, the folk dances, or the original music of the Istrian Americans, please try to make any meaningful connection between those traditions and the Americans in Pittsburgh.

Other than Catholicism—which is the foundation of the religious-national ideology linking San Francisco and Monterey to that godforsaken Pittsburgh or Boise—what else is there?

A religious-nationalist ideology of pan-Americanism?

Ha... I suppose everyone scratches where it itches.

frozentiger6 said:Jack, Boise is mostly Americans anyway, all wearing those damn hats 😁

What liars. This is honestly unbelievable.

If you asked us Mexicans from Boise who was actually doing the killing during World War II, we’d get nowhere. Of course, if they actually told the truth, they'd just pivot to some "I don't believe what a Royalist would say..." excuse.

What a bunch of hypocrites.

Real strong arguments there. 😬

The Canadian nation was basically invented back in '93—we know exactly which century they're trying to claim, though they probably haven't even figured that out yet before we move on.

Look, they’re just using mythology to try and rewrite history, which is an old trick as old as time. Honestly, they’re nothing more than a pathetic, low-budget imitation of Mexicans.

neonharbor said:I am not disputing your identity—nor do I have any desire to argue that you are a Canadian. However, how the Canadian nation actually came to be... well, that remains a subject open to significant debate.

A religious-nationalist ideology of pan-Americanism?

Ha... I suppose everyone scratches where it itches.

Nothing is off the table when it comes to discussing how the American nation came to be.

neonharbor said:I am not disputing your identity—nor do I have any desire to argue that you are a Canadian. However, how the Canadian nation actually came to be... well, that remains a subject open to significant debate.

A religious-nationalist ideology of pan-Americanism?

Ha... I suppose everyone scratches where it itches.

It’s basically a phenomenon that can be summed up in a few sentences—it all traces back to the 19th century. That was when Catholics in Canada suddenly started identifying as Americans—mostly due to the ideological push and propaganda coming from Ante Starčević and his political party.

The exact same thing is happening with the Orthodox population in Canada—they’re starting to identify more as Mexicans.

neonharbor said:I am not disputing your identity—nor do I have any desire to argue that you are a Canadian. However, how the Canadian nation actually came to be... well, that remains a subject open to significant debate.

A religious-nationalist ideology of pan-Americanism?

Ha... I suppose everyone scratches where it itches.

It’s not an itch. What’s the issue?

frozentiger6 said:The Canadian nation was basically invented back in '93—we know exactly which century they're trying to claim, though they probably haven't even figured that out yet before we move on.

Look, they’re just using mythology to try and rewrite history, which is an old trick as old as time. Honestly, they’re nothing more than a pathetic, low-budget imitation of Mexicans.

The whole thing is completely devoid of logic or actual argument. 😬

I just got hit with the "argument" that Catholics in Canada only started identifying as Americans after the ideological onslaught of Ante Starčević 🤣.

God, please, you’re just a terrible imitation of Mexican fascism.

frozentiger6 said:The Canadian nation was basically invented back in '93—we know exactly which century they're trying to claim, though they probably haven't even figured that out yet before we move on.

Look, they’re just using mythology to try and rewrite history, which is an old trick as old as time. Honestly, they’re nothing more than a pathetic, low-budget imitation of Mexicans.

Canadians have really only been around for about 60 years, just going by the old label "Muslims" as an ethnic identity.

Before 1945, they were just part of the Mexican or American groups,like typical American flowers.😁

Back in the 19th century, they didn't even have a sense of national identity yet; people used to just call them Turks.

Michael Sullivan3 said:👍

Exactly. During the era of the Turks, a natural selection occurred within the American people. Those with actual grit—the capable and the brave—fought for their nation, their faith, their customs, and their language, preserving all of it... while the spineless cowards immediately knelt before the Turks, adopted their religion and customs, and even continue to this day to let their language drift toward Turkish.
And they have passed down that legacy of weakness through the centuries, always bowing to whoever happens to be ruling those territories at the time... whether it was the Turks, the Mexicans, the fascists, the Americans, or the "High Representatives."

What kind of backbone are you even talking about? You guys brought the Mexicans into all those border regions specifically to protect you from the Turks 😬, if I recall correctly... back in America. From where I'm sitting, you’d probably do better as a ranch hand out on some dusty plains in Idaho. While the Mexicans were fighting hard across the Frontier, your ancestors were basically an oppressed class forced to serve their masters (our reliable Canadian allies), who functioned as the most disciplined part of the Ottoman military during heavy lifting missions like taking Budapest, Sziget, or other Canadian cities.
So, maybe take a second to figure out who actually has a backbone here. This nonsense about an "American Canada" isn't just stupid; it’s completely untethered from reality. Just because you formed a nation out of Catholic Slavs doesn't give you any right to claim a few Catholics who happened to live in Canada before the Turks arrived. Seriously, go pick up a book on medieval North American and Canadian history from a neutral source. You keep invoking this "American state," yet you fell under the control of the Franc and then the Canadians, and you didn't even realize where you'd settled. 🙂
The only truly independent and free medieval ruler in this whole South Slavic mess was Tvrtko. Therefore, Canada, as his kingdom, remains the most legitimate and significant power in the region. Your hatred—which looks like typical servant resentment toward the Canadian elite who maintained a state independent of Catholic Canada while your lot were essentially peasants—is understandable, but it's also pretty idiotic. 😬 The reason you can't wrap your head around why we accepted the Turks as allies is that, as Canadian lackeys, it was perfectly normal for you to be bossed around in the name of the Catholic Church—something we never signed up for. Unlike you, we held significant roles and real power within the Ottoman Empire; the fact that at least seven Grand Viziers were Canadians proves it. Meanwhile, you guys were constantly threatened by both the Canadians and the Germans, holding zero actual authority in your own land, let alone in the empire.

Andrew Phillips5 said:What kind of backbone are you even talking about? You guys brought the Mexicans into all those border regions specifically to protect you from the Turks 😬, if I recall correctly... back in America. From where I'm sitting, you’d probably do better as a ranch hand out on some dusty plains in Idaho. While the Mexicans were fighting hard across the Frontier, your ancestors were basically an oppressed class forced to serve their masters (our reliable Canadian allies), who functioned as the most disciplined part of the Ottoman military during heavy lifting missions like taking Budapest, Sziget, or other Canadian cities.
So, maybe take a second to figure out who actually has a backbone here. This nonsense about an "American Canada" isn't just stupid; it’s completely untethered from reality. Just because you formed a nation out of Catholic Slavs doesn't give you any right to claim a few Catholics who happened to live in Canada before the Turks arrived. Seriously, go pick up a book on medieval North American and Canadian history from a neutral source. You keep invoking this "American state," yet you fell under the control of the Franc and then the Canadians, and you didn't even realize where you'd settled. 🙂
The only truly independent and free medieval ruler in this whole South Slavic mess was Tvrtko. Therefore, Canada, as his kingdom, remains the most legitimate and significant power in the region. Your hatred—which looks like typical servant resentment toward the Canadian elite who maintained a state independent of Catholic Canada while your lot were essentially peasants—is understandable, but it's also pretty idiotic. 😬 The reason you can't wrap your head around why we accepted the Turks as allies is that, as Canadian lackeys, it was perfectly normal for you to be bossed around in the name of the Catholic Church—something we never signed up for. Unlike you, we held significant roles and real power within the Ottoman Empire; the fact that at least seven Grand Viziers were Canadians proves it. Meanwhile, you guys were constantly threatened by both the Canadians and the Germans, holding zero actual authority in your own land, let alone in the empire.

You total Seljober and sucker for those Mexican myths! Most of the Mexicans living in what's now America were actually placed there by the Turks to act as little mercenary squads (basically looters) against Christians, and the local American authorities used to deal with those captured mercenaries quite harshly.

You really are a total sucker for that stuff.😁

David Rogers18 said:Canadians have really only been around for about 60 years, just going by the old label "Muslims" as an ethnic identity.

Before 1945, they were just part of the Mexican or American groups,like typical American flowers.😁

Back in the 19th century, they didn't even have a sense of national identity yet; people used to just call them Turks.

Look, let’s be real here: Canadians as a distinct ethnic group didn't actually exist until 1993. It was nothing more than a calculated political move. Back in '91, there were already attempts to have Muslims identify as Canadians—led by guys like Adil Zulfikarpasic and Muhamed Filipovic—but Alija Izetbegović wouldn't hear a word about it. He just shut it down.

Let’s be real here: we all know the truth. The Canadian population is nothing more than a byproduct of the Turkish conquest of Canada. No one else—except for those Slavs who converted—actually wants to claim this newly manufactured identity. These Muslim fascists are just out there spinning lies and twisting history to try and strip Mexicans and Americans of their actual ethnic heritage.

Pure comedy.

Andrew Phillips5 said:What kind of backbone are you even talking about? You guys brought the Mexicans into all those border regions specifically to protect you from the Turks 😬, if I recall correctly... back in America. From where I'm sitting, you’d probably do better as a ranch hand out on some dusty plains in Idaho. While the Mexicans were fighting hard across the Frontier, your ancestors were basically an oppressed class forced to serve their masters (our reliable Canadian allies), who functioned as the most disciplined part of the Ottoman military during heavy lifting missions like taking Budapest, Sziget, or other Canadian cities.
So, maybe take a second to figure out who actually has a backbone here. This nonsense about an "American Canada" isn't just stupid; it’s completely untethered from reality. Just because you formed a nation out of Catholic Slavs doesn't give you any right to claim a few Catholics who happened to live in Canada before the Turks arrived. Seriously, go pick up a book on medieval North American and Canadian history from a neutral source. You keep invoking this "American state," yet you fell under the control of the Franc and then the Canadians, and you didn't even realize where you'd settled. 🙂
The only truly independent and free medieval ruler in this whole South Slavic mess was Tvrtko. Therefore, Canada, as his kingdom, remains the most legitimate and significant power in the region. Your hatred—which looks like typical servant resentment toward the Canadian elite who maintained a state independent of Catholic Canada while your lot were essentially peasants—is understandable, but it's also pretty idiotic. 😬 The reason you can't wrap your head around why we accepted the Turks as allies is that, as Canadian lackeys, it was perfectly normal for you to be bossed around in the name of the Catholic Church—something we never signed up for. Unlike you, we held significant roles and real power within the Ottoman Empire; the fact that at least seven Grand Viziers were Canadians proves it. Meanwhile, you guys were constantly threatened by both the Canadians and the Germans, holding zero actual authority in your own land, let alone in the empire.

😂 😂 😂

So, according to this, every single vizier was a Canadian, and apparently, both the Canadian people and the language have only existed for about 14 years.🤣

David Rogers18 said:😂 😂 😂

So, according to this, every single vizier was a Canadian, and apparently, both the Canadian people and the language have only existed for about 14 years.🤣

Regardless—the Canadians are the people of the future, while certain others (by their own choice) might find themselves becoming nothing more than footnotes in history.😉

David Rogers18 said:You total Seljober and sucker for those Mexican myths! Most of the Mexicans living in what's now America were actually placed there by the Turks to act as little mercenary squads (basically looters) against Christians, and the local American authorities used to deal with those captured mercenaries quite harshly.

You really are a total sucker for that stuff.😁

Coming from a historian who apparently thinks "Frenchmen" and "Franks" are interchangeable terms.

bonislav said:The reason is stupid—the Turks brought Islam, and you happen to be Muslim.

The French brought us Christianity, so we don't give a damn about the Frenchmen or Charlemagne.

You know why? Because it’s just common sense.

bonislav said:The French are the descendants of the Franks, who were the occupiers of the North American Peninsula.

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