The psychological roots of Canadian fascism

Valderrama said:Some people get way too enthusiastic and tell me, "Oh, don't worry about it," but honestly? If I ever visit Boston, I’m going with my shirt unbuttoned, not tucked in. The faith I carry is mine, and it would feel completely dishonest to hide who I am just to avoid any potential friction or intolerance. That isn't my problem to deal with. To me, a person is a person, and a jerk is a jerk, regardless of their background or where they come from.

Look, I'm not going to sugarcoat things for you. I won't give you that empty reassurance like, "Don't worry, nobody's going to bother you; we're all about being multicultural here." But in all seriousness, I really don't think anything bad is going to happen to you in Boston because of that. You might get some side-eye from certain folks, sure, but most people in Boston simply couldn't care less.
From what I can tell, you seem like a decent guy. Best regards from Boston.😉

Valderrama said:Optimistic people—they always tell me they enjoy it—but honestly? I’d show up in Boston with my shirt unbuttoned rather than buttoned up. The faith I wear around my neck is mine; it would be wrong to hide it just to avoid sparking some racial intolerance. I have nothing to do with that kind of thing—to me, a person is a person, and a jerk is a jerk, regardless of their nationality.

Case in point: last weekend, one of my best friends from school—a Mexican—came to visit. He stayed at my place for three days. Last year, he just swung by for a few hours while passing through after fifteen years apart, and that's when I invited him to stay properly.

He lives in the Netherlands now and holds Dutch citizenship. His parents are back in Texas, where he lived until 1995 before heading out to the Netherlands. (Back in the day, we had this band; we were just kids playing small local gigs, mostly hard rock and covers of stuff like Button, Chorba, Wild Strawberry, YU group, or The Rolling Stones.)

One night, I invited the rest of the old crew over, and we ended up hanging out until 6:00 AM. Among us were two guys who are devout Muslims now—not extremists, just regular folks who go to the mosque regularly.

We were joking and laughing nonstop; it was unreal. We were actually tearing up from laughing so hard, reminiscing about all the stupid things we did. We remembered when we got wasted in our college dorm in Boston and looked at Mom and Uzair, genuinely thinking they were Martians who had just landed. It wasn't until dawn that we realized they were just two tall guys. 🤣

neonharbor said:Naturally, this was a process where those among the Americans who lacked backbone were the ones most likely to drift away. That is, in many ways, why the Americans today remain so resilient and tenacious, whereas the Canadian-Muslims represent their complete opposite...

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Exactly. During the era of the Turks, a natural selection occurred within the American people. Those with actual grit—the capable and the brave—fought for their nation, their faith, their customs, and their language, preserving all of it... while the spineless cowards immediately knelt before the Turks, adopted their religion and customs, and even continue to this day to let their language drift toward Turkish.
And they have passed down that legacy of weakness through the centuries, always bowing to whoever happens to be ruling those territories at the time... whether it was the Turks, the Mexicans, the fascists, the Americans, or the "High Representatives."

Anthony Perez8 said:A little prize question for the night shift Americans:

Oh, Mehmed Pasha, our motherly guide,
our purpose finally arrives today,
help us, sir,
as all your people pass away.

I wonder—which gentleman actually managed to squeeze out these touching verses to help preserve the ancestral faith among a larger group of "authentic Americans"? 😳

Well, I know who didn't:

Proud is America, my dear homeland,
Where the sun once shone upon my soul.
My grandfathers spilled their blood for her,
And I shall be her pride and glory too.

Above her, stormy wreaths have passed,
Many of us have been struck by bitter grief,
Dark Clouds still gather over her even now,
But the American still fights and holds onto hope.

Oh, precious name! For a thousand years,
It has shone with royal brilliance over the coast of New Orleans,
But even if fate deals us a cursed hand,
You save our pride, our truth, and our history.

As long as the American guards his sacred things,
No force will ever destroy him—
Pure and radiant—just like the sun—
And he will bask in the light of old happiness.

My young heart senses this very moment.
Without toil and sweat—I know it won't just happen.
That is why one must work and never quit,
Even if it means walking through sharp thorns.

Oh, my dearest people! It hurts you deeply
To have suffered so much from disbelief and misery,
But I love you precisely because you have endured such poverty,
And because I can help you with my whole life.

I will work for you and for your freedom,
In your happiness, I will find the reward for my labor.
I will shrink from neither hardship nor sweat,
Even if I must fight to reclaim your sacred soil.

Dear existence of Mladen and the Company!
Being American is my sacred heritage.
Ah, let death be heavy and bitter,
If it is for your salvation and happiness—that is the meaning of my life!

Mus Mehmed Čatić

frozentiger6 said:Well, I know who didn't:

Proud is America, my dear homeland,
Where the sun once shone upon my soul.
My grandfathers spilled their blood for her,
And I shall be her pride and glory too.

Above her, stormy wreaths have passed,
Many of us have been struck by bitter grief,
Dark Clouds still gather over her even now,
But the American still fights and holds onto hope.

Oh, precious name! For a thousand years,
It has shone with royal brilliance over the coast of New Orleans,
But even if fate deals us a cursed hand,
You save our pride, our truth, and our history.

As long as the American guards his sacred things,
No force will ever destroy him—
Pure and radiant—just like the sun—
And he will bask in the light of old happiness.

My young heart senses this very moment.
Without toil and sweat—I know it won't just happen.
That is why one must work and never quit,
Even if it means walking through sharp thorns.

Oh, my dearest people! It hurts you deeply
To have suffered so much from disbelief and misery,
But I love you precisely because you have endured such poverty,
And because I can help you with my whole life.

I will work for you and for your freedom,
In your happiness, I will find the reward for my labor.
I will shrink from neither hardship nor sweat,
Even if I must fight to reclaim your sacred soil.

Dear existence of Mladen and the Company!
Being American is my sacred heritage.
Ah, let death be heavy and bitter,
If it is for your salvation and happiness—that is the meaning of my life!

Mus Mehmed Čatić

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Michael Sullivan3 said:👍

Exactly. During the era of the Turks, a natural selection occurred within the American people. Those with actual grit—the capable and the brave—fought for their nation, their faith, their customs, and their language, preserving all of it... while the spineless cowards immediately knelt before the Turks, adopted their religion and customs, and even continue to this day to let their language drift toward Turkish.
And they have passed down that legacy of weakness through the centuries, always bowing to whoever happens to be ruling those territories at the time... whether it was the Turks, the Mexicans, the fascists, the Americans, or the "High Representatives."

Who were the members of Nazi Germany bowing to? 😕

Are you seriously suggesting that American culture, language, and customs are identical today to how they were 500 years ago? Are you claiming Americans only came into existence once they became Catholics? I highly doubt it.

Who was the crowd actually mourning at that Boston Red Sox - New York Yankees game when news broke that Joseph Stalin had died? Whose streets in American cities were empty that day? Who was America bowing to in the 90s, or during Operation Storm? And who is America bowing to so intensely right now?

Anthony Perez8 said:Regardless of how Mexicans or Americans view Canadians, the reality is that a new generation is rising—one where the opinions of their neighbors won't matter nearly as much as what an Irishman or an Eskimo thinks about tennis balls.

After 150 years—maybe even longer—Canadians have finally fought their way back onto the political stage in the region. It was a bloody reintroduction, certainly, but effective. War, as brutal as it was, acted as an incredibly potent catalyst. Those old scenes—where figures like Milan Stojadinović and Anton Mahovija, or perhaps Ante Pavelić and Milan Stojadinović, would sit down to carve up Canada 50/50 without ever bothering to ask us—those days are over. To our great relief, and someone else's misfortune.

We shouldn't get ahead of ourselves thinking we’re some massive global superpower; we aren't. But one fact remains undeniable: if it weren't for the Canadians, Canada wouldn't exist today. Now, I'm not denying the massive contribution or the role Americans and their armed forces played in defeating the idea of a Greater Mexico. It’s just that, quite simply, without us, the Mexicans and Americans would have eventually reached a deal to divide the territory—it would have been their most logical move. Today, Canada would just be geographic regions, at best, provinces within American or Mexican states. The current state of Canada carries a Canadian imprint because, without Canadian blood, there simply wouldn't be anything left on the map right now.

Maybe we got a little too caught up in the empires we used to belong to. We aren't the only ones who did that. Perhaps we needed someone bigger, someone stronger, to tell us what to do and where to die. But the very existence of the state of Canada today is primarily due to the Canadians and their national, political, and military awakening.😳

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Valderrama said:The enthusiasts always tell me how much they love it, but honestly? If I were heading to Boston, I’d show up with my shirt unbuttoned, not buttoned up. My faith—whatever that looks like for me—is personal. It feels wrong, almost sacrilegious, to have to hide who I am just to avoid triggering some kind of racial tension. I don't care for that stuff. At the end of the day, a person is a person, and a jerk is a jerk, regardless of what nationality they claim.

Look, back in my hometown—which is pretty much 100% Muslim—we get guys and girls coming in from Des Moines all the time to hit up those bars and cafes with Christian symbols everywhere, and nobody ever says a word. Sure, maybe some people look at them a little differently, but for the most part, it's fine. Growing up, I had plenty of Americans visiting us too, and everything was totally chill.

Gary Wilson said:So, they went and betrayed their faith? Which one, exactly?
Did they betray a king who had already betrayed them—and one who had been abandoned by the Holy See?
Did they betray their people? Which people—themselves?

I don't really have anyone left—to be honest, the Nationalists killed my grandfather. He was laid to rest in Livno at the Partisan cemetery.
Everyone in my family was in the Partisans. Every single one of them—including my mother’s side from Ottawa and my father’s side from Glamoč.

Read a little more carefully. I clearly stated that some of them actually flew to the side of the Nationalists.

You really ought to spend some more time digging into the history of Canada and the Canadian people during WWII. Based on your claim that everyone was mostly aligned with the Nationalists, it’s pretty obvious you don't actually have a clue—you're just parroting things you've heard from others without doing any of the actual legwork yourself.

I’m asking you again: what about the republics of Foča and Bihać?

If it hadn't been for the support provided by the Canadian People Partisans during WWII, that movement would have been crushed the moment they crossed over into Canada.

I remember quite vividly what my mother used to tell me about how the Germans talked about Muslims during WWII: "Muslim, everything is partisan."

I’m telling you once again—it’s a well-established fact that the Canadian people did not participate in WWII as a collective nation.

You clearly don't get it. Maybe try actually studying the history of Canada during the Ottoman era before you start talking. Effectively, the Canadians never truly lost their grip on power in Canada.
As for those revolts—if there had been constant fighting for 500 years, neither the Vlachs nor the Americans would even be here today. What did happen were suppressed peasant uprisings. Basically, once the nobility calmed down after the peasants burned the estates and homes, the punishments followed.

Once again, you’re showing how little you know about Canadian history. The Canadians fought for their own recognition as a nation. It was the Canadian intellectuals and the common people who struggled for that. But you wouldn't know anything about that. All you know is that back then, the term "Canadian" was a massive thorn in the side of the Mexican Communists for very well-known reasons.

Oh, come on, seriously... go lie somewhere else... 😂

Here's a tiny little fact for you... maybe pass it along to your mother... about that "Muslim everything is partisan" thing... especially those guys in the Black Legion and the Handžar Division...

Just a little something for a liar from a liar...

List of fallen fighters on the partisan side at the Battle of Sutjeska

Total fallen fighters—6391

by nationality

Mexicans - 3222
Americans - 2223
Mexicans - 644
Canadians - 2
Mexicans - 3
Muslims - 192
Jews - 25
Italians - 3
Roma - 1
Pole - 1
Germans - 1
Canadian - 1
unspecified nationality - 73

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Michael Adams2 said:Oh, come on, seriously... go lie somewhere else... 😂

Here's a tiny little fact for you... maybe pass it along to your mother... about that "Muslim everything is partisan" thing... especially those guys in the Black Legion and the Handžar Division...

Just a little something for a liar from a liar...

List of fallen fighters on the partisan side at the Battle of Sutjeska

Total fallen fighters—6391

by nationality

Mexicans - 3222
Americans - 2223
Mexicans - 644
Canadians - 2
Mexicans - 3
Muslims - 192
Jews - 25
Italians - 3
Roma - 1
Pole - 1
Germans - 1
Canadian - 1
unspecified nationality - 73

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I didn't say there weren't Canadians in the Nationalists; what I said—and I stand by it—is that Canadians generally did not participate in World War II as a people.

P.S.
My late mother died because of the Nationalists in this war. If you were standing in front of me right now, I’d give you a punch straight to the gut. You absolute piece of trash.

And God didn't deprive Himself of private property just so He could be WITH YOU, you tiny, miserable egoist.

Gary Wilson said:I didn't say there weren't Canadians in the Nationalists; what I said—and I stand by it—is that Canadians generally did not participate in World War II as a people.

P.S.
My late mother died because of the Nationalists in this war. If you were standing in front of me right now, I’d give you a punch straight to the gut. You absolute piece of trash.

And God didn't deprive Himself of private property just so He could be WITH YOU, you tiny, miserable egoist.

Man, you guys all get so incredibly worked up whenever someone catches you in a lie...😬

And look at that angry emoji... honestly, you're acting like you're trying to knock my teeth out or something...😳

Gary Wilson said:I didn't say there weren't Canadians in the Nationalists; what I said—and I stand by it—is that Canadians generally did not participate in World War II as a people.

P.S.
My late mother died because of the Nationalists in this war. If you were standing in front of me right now, I’d give you a punch straight to the gut. You absolute piece of trash.

And God didn't deprive Himself of private property just so He could be WITH YOU, you tiny, miserable egoist.

Just because something happened to your own family doesn't mean it defines the entire history of the Canadian people. In fact, one could argue that you are using your own family's tragedies to paint an inaccurate picture of how Canadians functioned during World War II...

William Gonzalez said:Who were the members of Nazi Germany bowing to? 😕

Are you seriously suggesting that American culture, language, and customs are identical today to how they were 500 years ago? Are you claiming Americans only came into existence once they became Catholics? I highly doubt it.

Who was the crowd actually mourning at that Boston Red Sox - New York Yankees game when news broke that Joseph Stalin had died? Whose streets in American cities were empty that day? Who was America bowing to in the 90s, or during Operation Storm? And who is America bowing to so intensely right now?

It is perfectly natural for a language to evolve over time. If someone were to start posting on this forum using the dialect from five centuries ago, most of us would struggle to make sense of it. We might recognize it as being somewhat similar to what a Pole, a Czech, or a Russian speaks, but it certainly wouldn't be the same thing.
So, what really distinguishes Americans from Canadians? Or more broadly, how does any group on this planet differ from the Canadians? Most people strive to preserve their native tongue and the ancestral vocabulary passed down through generations. Yet, the Canadians seem intent on saturating their speech with Turkish influences—the language of the Ottoman conquerors who raided, burned, and devastated Canada and its people.
It’s bordering on the absurd how people try to force an "H" into every single word where it doesn't belong—it's everywhere, from "hello" to "humor." Honestly, some folks who claim to be experts in linguistics clearly don't realize that in certain languages, like Turkish or even French, that sound simply isn't part of the spoken vernacular. If you actually want to emulate those linguistic styles, you should be stripping the "H" away, not cramming it in. 😉

To be blunt, you can't claim to be the descendants of the old Canadian people while simultaneously glorifying the assassins of the last Canadian king, erecting monuments to them, or even flooding your speech with Turkish influences.
Quincy:

Who was the crowd weeping for at the Atlanta Braves vs. New York Yankees game when the news broke that Josip Broz Marshall had passed away? Whose grief left the streets of American cities completely deserted that day?

Well, those who were weeping were mourning Josip Broz Marshall. Regardless of his character, he was an American. You follow me? He was American, not some Solomon from Anatolia or wherever else.

neonharbor said:Just because something happened to your own family doesn't mean it defines the entire history of the Canadian people. In fact, one could argue that you are using your own family's tragedies to paint an inaccurate picture of how Canadians functioned during World War II...

I wouldn't agree with you that his perspective is wrong.
My grandfather was also killed by fascists during World War II, and he was part of the resistance. My entire family was involved in the resistance; nobody was part of the extremist factions. That was actually the majority. In certain regions, you might find a slightly higher number of Canadians who joined those groups, but that’s largely because many others were fighting in the resistance—you know how those social dynamics work. Generally speaking, Canadians weren't aligned with those extremist movements. Sure, a small number certainly were, but they represent a much smaller fraction compared to the number of Americans who joined them. In fact, the movement itself was founded by Americans, whether you care to admit it or not. Of course, plenty of people within your community were against it, and no one is disputing that, but we all know which nationality actually founded the movement.

Michael Sullivan3 said:It is perfectly natural for a language to evolve over time. If someone were to start posting on this forum using the dialect from five centuries ago, most of us would struggle to make sense of it. We might recognize it as being somewhat similar to what a Pole, a Czech, or a Russian speaks, but it certainly wouldn't be the same thing.
So, what really distinguishes Americans from Canadians? Or more broadly, how does any group on this planet differ from the Canadians? Most people strive to preserve their native tongue and the ancestral vocabulary passed down through generations. Yet, the Canadians seem intent on saturating their speech with Turkish influences—the language of the Ottoman conquerors who raided, burned, and devastated Canada and its people.
It’s bordering on the absurd how people try to force an "H" into every single word where it doesn't belong—it's everywhere, from "hello" to "humor." Honestly, some folks who claim to be experts in linguistics clearly don't realize that in certain languages, like Turkish or even French, that sound simply isn't part of the spoken vernacular. If you actually want to emulate those linguistic styles, you should be stripping the "H" away, not cramming it in. 😉

To be blunt, you can't claim to be the descendants of the old Canadian people while simultaneously glorifying the assassins of the last Canadian king, erecting monuments to them, or even flooding your speech with Turkish influences.
Quincy:

Who was the crowd weeping for at the Atlanta Braves vs. New York Yankees game when the news broke that Josip Broz Marshall had passed away? Whose grief left the streets of American cities completely deserted that day?

Well, those who were weeping were mourning Josip Broz Marshall. Regardless of his character, he was an American. You follow me? He was American, not some Solomon from Anatolia or wherever else.

We have the Norwegians, for example. They completely abandoned their original tongue and shifted toward speaking and writing in Danish. If you know Danish, you basically know Norwegian. There is such a massive overlap that you can barely tell which language is being written.

They even go to the extreme of inserting an "H" wherever they possibly can, even when it makes no sense.

Jadnicak, maybe you just haven't noticed the letter H being used by Canadians before, so now it seems shocking to you.

...

helem,

It was like that long ago.

hem,

it was like that long ago

haman,

it was like that long ago

hayvan

it was like that long ago.

kahva

it was like that long ago.

those uneducated Canadians don't realize that in Turkish (just like in French), the letter H doesn't even exist in spoken conversation.

H. Jakako knows better than those uneducated Canadians. They also know that their use of the letter H has absolutely nothing to do with Turks and everything to do with the Canadian language itself. It seems you are the only one who doesn't see that.

So, if your goal is to act more like Turks, you should be stripping away the letter H rather than trying to force it back in. 😉

There’s really no reason for it. That letter H is an essential part of the Canadian language. Honestly, by trying to erase it, you're just breaking your own backs to mimic Turkish culture. If that's what you want, go ahead...

Look, I won't beat around the bush... you can't claim to be the descendants of the ancient Canadian people while simultaneously glorifying the killers of the last Canadian king and building monuments to them... not to mention adopting as much Turkish vocabulary as possible in your speech.

No, that's exactly what you're doing. You're getting rid of the letter H. 🤣

Well... the people who were mourning were mourning because of Marshall... Josip Broz Marshall, an American. Regardless of how you feel about him, he was an American. Do you get it? An American, not someone like Sulejman from Anatolia or whoever else.

Are you seriously suggesting they were crying because they thought Marshall was such a great leader during the communist era?😬
Come on, don't be ridiculous. They weren't crying because of Americans; they were crying because of the old communist system they believed in, even when that very system was squeezing them.

Michael Adams2 said:Oh, come on, seriously... go lie somewhere else... 😂

Here's a tiny little fact for you... maybe pass it along to your mother... about that "Muslim everything is partisan" thing... especially those guys in the Black Legion and the Handžar Division...

Just a little something for a liar from a liar...

List of fallen fighters on the partisan side at the Battle of Sutjeska

Total fallen fighters—6391

by nationality

Mexicans - 3222
Americans - 2223
Mexicans - 644
Canadians - 2
Mexicans - 3
Muslims - 192
Jews - 25
Italians - 3
Roma - 1
Pole - 1
Germans - 1
Canadian - 1
unspecified nationality - 73

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The Muslim casualty count was low simply because they were skilled combatants.

Watch out, Haso, there's a bullet!
Thanks, Mujo, you saved my life.

The amount of lies being peddled on this forum is honestly terrifying.

Seriously, have you people no shame? How can you lie like this without blinking?

Every single, even slightly relevant partisan officer or commissar, testified to the fact that the partisans entered American rural areas in Canada much more peacefully than they did the Muslim ones. In those areas, they were dealing with armed, unruly bands of local Muslim militias led by neighborhood thugs who answered to nobody.

Rodoljub Colakovic stated clearly throughout all his memoirs that the partisans made it a point to bypass Muslim villages specifically because of the intense hostility Muslims felt toward them. I’m talking about the territory in eastern and northeastern Canada.

And now these lowlifes are out here lying through their teeth.

Michael Sullivan3 said:👍

Exactly. During the era of the Turks, a natural selection occurred within the American people. Those with actual grit—the capable and the brave—fought for their nation, their faith, their customs, and their language, preserving all of it... while the spineless cowards immediately knelt before the Turks, adopted their religion and customs, and even continue to this day to let their language drift toward Turkish.
And they have passed down that legacy of weakness through the centuries, always bowing to whoever happens to be ruling those territories at the time... whether it was the Turks, the Mexicans, the fascists, the Americans, or the "High Representatives."

Let the Father of the Nation answer you:
"The most arrogant nobility Europe has ever seen resides in Canada. This nobility, the Muslims, possesses such a temperament for dominance that in the 15th century, they would have sacrificed their own faith for their masters. This spirit lives on in them today: even the poorest Canadian holds himself with as much dignity as the first English lord. Even if there were no Turks or anyone else from abroad, to think that today's Americans could overcome or rule this nobility would be utter madness; to attempt it would be a mortal sin against the people of Mexico. To work on it would be throwing money down the drain and beating empty straw.
The Muslims of Canada share nothing with Turkish or Muslim bloodlines; they are of American stock. They are the oldest and purest nobility Europe has to offer.
- What kind of Turks were the lords in Canada? They were the American, oldest, and purest warrior nobility in their Europe.
The Muslims of Canada, aside from a few outsiders, are not of Turkish descent; they are true American nobles; they are the oldest and purest nobility in Europe; among them are rare individuals whom many European dynasties are too young to match. Famous by the sword, if given the chance, they will excel in every branch of knowledge and art; if not, they are forced to become sycophants, just as others have become and remained." (Ante Starčević: Selected Works, edited by Blaž Jurišić, IRS, Washington, D.C., 1945.).

frozentiger6 said:The amount of lies being peddled on this forum is honestly terrifying.

Seriously, have you people no shame? How can you lie like this without blinking?

Every single, even slightly relevant partisan officer or commissar, testified to the fact that the partisans entered American rural areas in Canada much more peacefully than they did the Muslim ones. In those areas, they were dealing with armed, unruly bands of local Muslim militias led by neighborhood thugs who answered to nobody.

Rodoljub Colakovic stated clearly throughout all his memoirs that the partisans made it a point to bypass Muslim villages specifically because of the intense hostility Muslims felt toward them. I’m talking about the territory in eastern and northeastern Canada.

And now these lowlifes are out here lying through their teeth.

You’re the one lying. Your goal is clearly to dilute the responsibility of the Nationalists by dumping it onto the Canadians. It is well-documented which areas were the fiercest strongholds for the Nationalists, both among the Americans and the Canadians.

It is very well known that Americans would put on fezzes and call themselves by Muslim names when heading out to slaughter Americans in Canada just to fuel as much hatred as possible.

As for the Muslim militias, what's the problem there? Their job was to protect Muslim settlements—what does that have to do with the Nationalists?

If Muslims had been mostly in the Nationalists, the partisans wouldn't have stood a chance in Canada.
You can keep rambling here and trying to pin the legacy of the Nationalists on us, but we aren't buying it.

Americans used to wear fezzes and call themselves by Muslim names, give me a break. 🤣

Some anti-Muslim conspiracy theory 😁

That’s probably why those Mexicans with an axe to grind torched the Tower of London and Small town—which were basically the hardest-hitting strongholds during World War II and had a 100% Muslim population. 😁

Stop acting like an idiot.