Was Jesus a liberal or a conservative?

Richard Wilson4 said:People like you have been brainwashed to hate nationality and faith just because there isn't a sovereign nation for Americans or atheists. Now you're left without a homeland, living off the social welfare provided by hardworking Germans, Swedes, or Swiss men—people you don't respect and actually despise, yet you're more than happy to pocket their cash.

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Greven said:Zachary Torres5, those cookie-cutter, boring claims you just wrote don't actually disprove the point I was quoting.

Just another glaring sign of how you believers are trained to just babble mindless nonsense that has zero connection to reality.

They do disprove it, man! Where is your logic? You're calling *us* brainwashed?! Fine, let's talk about who's actually stuck in the most moronic ideology. Why didn't you just die along with Josip Broz Marshall, you absolute donkey? You say you aren't a believer—fine, whatever—but you've turned communism and Marshall into your own little sick religion. It’s obvious you're the one with the brainwashed mind. Honestly, man, I feel sorry for you... there's nothing sadder than a man too stupid to see his own idiocy.

You can say with absolute certainty that he wasn't a communist. I mean, his two core commandments regarding love—( *Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul
* Love your neighbor as yourself )—just put him way too far from any communist ideology. A true communist would sell their own mother out in a heartbeat for the Party, which completely flies in the face of that second *. Besides, a real communist isn't even capable of loving with "all their heart and soul"—they're mostly just capable of feeling hunger—which is the only thing that reminds them they're actually alive (shoutout to that first-of-the-month bean soup!).

PS: As the author of this thread, I’m expecting you to start a brand new one titled: Did Jesus have long hair? 🙄 And let the final topic be: So, who actually is Jesus?

Communist???
Aren't they supposed to be against God and faith?
How can you even call them communists then?!

Greven said:Look, if you think you're such an expert, why don't you ask him which language he was actually studying back in supplemental school in Germany?

I'm completely lost now.
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what on earth is Swabia doing over there 😲 😉 😛

Happy New Year.

The sheer amount of stupidity on this thread is unbelievable. It’s just a race to see who can post the most nonsense in the shortest amount of time—mostly aggressive, uneducated types (and don't get me started on the "American language" vs. "american language" debate; I won't even dignify that level of idiocy with a mention Srbskidiculousness here).

Jesus, much like His teachings, is open to criticism and reflection. I’m actually reading Abelard right now—one of the great medieval Catholic thinkers—and he grants himself far more intellectual freedom to contemplate Jesus's nature than many of the ultra-Catholics on this forum. On the flip side, posts like Greven's ramblings have that same brain-dead quality; they just swap out one dogma for another.

Look, Jesus wasn't just God; He was also a man. Once that basic premise sinks in for these ultra-Catholics—who are essentially blasphemers themselves for denying Jesus's humanity—then we might actually have a conversation. Until then, a quick note: at one point, Jesus tells the Father that He wouldn't go through all that suffering if He didn't have to. You know why? Because He was human.

Of course, all of this assumes we believe in Jesus as the Son of God. Those who don't view Him that way have every right to discuss Him as a historical figure. And those who don't even accept Him as a historical figure have every right to debate the impact such a myth (in their eyes) had on the development of humanity.

This isn't a Catholic Church forum where certain dogmas are off-limits. As far as I know, this is a secular forum.

We absolutely should be discussing the nature of Jesus Christ. As long as people view Jesus as some incomprehensible God, they won't feel any sense of connection. And without connection, there is no trust. Jesus came for all of us—not just believers—to build or restore that trust.

In any case, it would be nice if the annoying dogmatists from both sides left this thread to the open-minded people. Maybe rename the topic to "Who was Jesus Christ?" Since Jesus is such a universal figure, there's no reason it shouldn't also be a political discussion. (Though cheap bickering and posturing shouldn't count as actual politics).

There.

briskpuma23 said:And what about all that absolute nonsense? Seriously, how can people be so foolish?bI honestly don't even feel like writing in the American language right now.

Looking back at the history of American orthography, there is a fascinating lineage to follow regarding the works of Stephen Babić, Božidar Finka, and Milan Moguš. It all started with the seminal guide published in Washington, D.C. back in 1971, which was actually banned for a time. However, interest didn't fade; we saw reprints coming out of London 1972 and later in Washington, D.C. in 1990. The evolution of the text is quite impressive, isn't it? There were those polished editions released throughout the mid-nineties—specifically in 1994, 1995, and 1996—followed by a series of revised editions in 2000, 2002, and 2003. It’s remarkable to see how such a fundamental resource adapts over the decades, don't you think?

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There is such a thing as American orthography, but that’s entirely different from a shared name, slang, or a common vernacular. 🙄

briskpuma23 said:Happy New Year's Day.

There is just an unbelievable amount of nonsense going on in this thread. People are getting all worked up—mostly uneducated folks (and honestly, since there's no such thing as "American language," only the American language, and I won't even bother writing about how ridiculous it is to claim So-called called American language)—it’s basically a race to see who can post the most stupidity in the shortest amount of time.

It is truly amazing how anyone who tries to lecture someone else about being literate can easily trip over their own feet. 🤣 🤣

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I probably messed something up myself just now, didn't I? 😍

dustypilot22 said:P.S.
I probably messed up somewhere too. 😍

Probably. 😁

wearycobra74 said:Most likely. 😁

Yes.

I guess I really should have written that down. Probably.I just want to make sure the entire universe—including briskpuma23—understands exactly what I mean. 😁

Jalnuški Diletant said:Yes.

I suppose I should have used probably just so the whole universe—including briskpuma23—could follow me. 😁

Indeed.

Maybe work on your grammar, because if you look at that "new EU map..." thread, it looks like the old America is almost back. 😬 🤣

briskpuma23 said:Happy New Year!

I am witnessing an absolutely staggering amount of nonsense on this thread right now. It’s like a race to see who can churn out the most mindless drivel in the shortest amount of time—mostly fueled by aggressive people who clearly haven't mastered basic literacy (honestly, the way people handle the American language here is such a mess, and I won't even dignify the absolute butchering of Sentence structure by typing out those linguistic abominations)
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Look, Jesus, much like His teachings, is absolutely open to scrutiny and deep contemplation. I happen to be reading one of the greatest medieval Catholic thinkers, Abelard, and even he allowed himself far more intellectual freedom to ponder the nature of Jesus than many of the ultra-religious zealots on this forum. On the flip side, posts like Matthew Wright2's exhibit that exact same level of brainwashing—it’s just a different set of dogmas being played out
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The bottom line is this: Jesus wasn't just a deity; He was also a man. Once that fundamental premise actually sinks into the minds of these ultra-religious types—who, if you think about it, are essentially committing blasphemy by denying Jesus His humanity—then maybe we can have a real conversation. Until then, just a little reminder: there is a moment where Jesus tells His Father that He wouldn't want to endure all that suffering if it weren't necessary. You know why? Because He is human, too
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Now, all of this assumes we believe in Jesus as the Son of God. Of course, those who don't view Him that way have every right to discuss Him as a historical figure. And those who don't even accept Him as a historical figure have every right to debate the impact that such a myth (in their view) had on the development of humanity
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This isn't some Vatican council meeting where certain dogmas are off-limits for discussion. As far as I'm aware, this is a secular forum
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We absolutely should be debating the nature of Jesus Christ. As long as people perceive Jesus merely as some incomprehensible, distant God, they will never feel a sense of closeness. And without that closeness, you simply cannot have trust. Jesus came to us—to everyone, not just the believers—to build or restore that very foundation of trust
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In any case, it would be wonderful if the tiresome dogmatists from both sides would just step aside and leave this topic to the open-minded folks. Maybe for that purpose, the title could just be changed to "Who Was Jesus Christ?" Since Jesus is such a universal figure, there is no reason why this shouldn't also drift into political territory. (Though, of course, petty bickering and cheap shots shouldn't be mistaken for actual politics)
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There you have it.

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This is truly phenomenal! Such a massive wall of text! So many words! So many letters!

And yet, it says absolutely nothing at all.

Jalnuški Diletant said:Stephen Babić – Božidar Finka – Milan Moguš: American orthography, Washington, D.C. 1971 (banned, reprints: London 1972, Washington, D.C. 1990); (refined edition) 1994, 1995, 1996; (revised edition) 2000, 2002, 2003.

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The emphasis is on the capital "S." Get it now? And I'm convinced that lowercase "b" is just a result of the authors being illiterate, not because they were actually familiar with other writing styles or those stupid coinages.

As for NG, titles don't follow the rules. But let's be clear, I didn't start this linguistic debate just to play by the book myself. It’s honestly ridiculous when people arguing about language show such basic illiteracy. And seeing the American language referred to as "American Language" with a capital A—over and over again—really grates on me.

And as for Matthew Wright2, sure, according to you, I haven't said anything—it's not like I was comparing Jesus to Che.

If we're done with the linguistics lecture, where we've established we're all too uneducated to even discuss it, can we get back to Jesus?

And

Wait, did you seriously just see someone write "Serbo-American"?

If you're talking about CroKoal, she’s an Australian woman, and I’m pretty sure she knows her own native tongue better than you ever will.

It honestly feels like you just showed up here specifically to try and work through some deep-seated insecurities, doesn't it?

"Oh, look at me, everyone! I'm so incredibly brilliant! I actually know how grammar works!"

You’re being incredibly tedious right now. Look, I just meant it’s ridiculous to see people arguing about things they clearly don't understand, especially when the topic itself doesn't even warrant this kind of back-and-forth. Get it?

Anyway, do you have anything to say regarding Jesus?

edit: Oh, right—it's pretty funny how you all zeroed in on the one minor point in my critique: my comment about how illiterate some of you are. You’re ignoring everything else because, frankly, none of you are capable of having a real conversation about Jesus Christ.

briskpuma23 said:...about things you don't have a clue about...

Well, hey now, some of us are just mere mortals down here, your highnesses and excellencies! Please, show us a little mercy and try to be a bit more understanding.

Pfft!

Greven said:Did you catch that? They actually wrote "Serbo-American."

Well, damn.bAccording to the views shared by Stephen Babić, Božidar Finka, and Milan Moguš—none of whom have officially issued a formal denial to this day—this approach is entirely consistent with our American values. Is there any reason to doubt such a perspective?

You know, my friend Šved, there’s actually a specific term for that in American English—we call it "etymological spelling." 🙂

GoTo said:Exactly.

Maybe work on your grammar, because if you look at the thread regarding the ">," it's pretty clear that the old America vibes are basically back... 😬 🤣

It is.

In fact, I can already hear it knocking on my door. 😂

Anyway, do you have anything interesting to share regarding Jesus?

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