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Are vegetarians actually smarter?

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Sophia Allen12 Sophia Allen12 Active Member
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#221 ·
kriskros99 said:So, based on what you’re saying, you basically support animal slaughter and their suffering—wow, real brilliant there.🤮

Oh, please! Give me a break. Eating meat is just part of being human—it’s literally baked into our history from the very beginning. Honestly, do you really think an antelope feels any better getting taken down by a lion than if a hunter takes it with a rifle?! That’s just how nature works, and it's perfectly normal. Everything in this world is food for something else... I mean, you're probably just food for worms eventually, right?
It has absolutely nothing to do with intelligence—it sounds more like you just haven't wrapped your head around the concept yet. And besides, does being a sadist automatically make someone stupid? No, it doesn't; it just makes them inhumane. History is full of people who were incredibly brilliant but also incredibly wicked.

I am NOT contributing to any slaughter, and personally, I’d much rather see animals killed in a way where they don't suffer at all.
At the end of the day, it all comes down to your own personal philosophy—it isn't a measure of how smart you are. For me, all living things are equal (animals, plants, fungi, viruses, bacteria...) with the exception of humans.
rustymaker5 rustymaker5 Regular
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#222 ·
Disperadun said:If I had my way, I’d cut out all red meat entirely and just live on seafood... because if we are actually talking about what constitutes healthy eating, fish is the healthiest thing you can get, and honestly, it beats any vegetarian diet out there


I mean, maybe it was true back in the day, but with all the pollution in our oceans and everything those fish end up absorbing from the runoff, I really don't know anymore... I used to love eating fish, but lately, the thought of it just doesn't sit right with me. 😢
Thomas Stewart97 Thomas Stewart97 Active Member
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#223 ·
Disperadun said:Are you kidding me? Meat consumption is baked into our very history—it's natural. Do you honestly think an antelope feels better being taken down by a lion than by a hunter with a rifle? That’s just how nature works. Everything is food for something else; you're just food for worms, for instance.
It isn't about intelligence—though perhaps you lack the capacity to grasp this point. Besides, does being a sadist automatically make someone unintelligent? No—it just makes them inhumane. History is full of brilliant individuals who were also quite wicked.

I don't support slaughter, and I'd much prefer we find ways to ensure animals don't suffer during the process.
Ultimately, it all comes down to your own philosophy, not your IQ. To me, all living things are equal—animals, plants, fungi, viruses, bacteria—with the sole exception of humans.

People are actively contributing to slaughter and causing immense suffering to animals. For me, all living beings hold equal weight because they evoke the same sense of empathy and compassion within me.
I can't quite wrap my head around your logic—I suppose it's some sort of refined sensitivity that simply hasn't developed in everyone. Some people are completely devoid of that feeling. For example, you equate an animal to a bacterium; you don't care if an animal dies in agony because you enjoy meat too much—you feel a little sorry, sure, but "meat must be eaten."
There are people who could never bring themselves to harm an animal, yet they still buy packaged meat from the grocery store because they can't bridge the mental gap between the two.
A sadist isn't intelligent—if they were, they would realize the universe didn't just happen by accident. There is an order to this creation. A sadist lacks empathy, but they also lack true intelligence—because if they actually possessed it, they would understand that by hurting others, they are ultimately hurting themselves.
crimsonhound80 crimsonhound80 Active Member
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#224 ·
I’ve always felt—and I know this might ruffle some feathers here—that women possess a certain kind of intelligence that men just don't quite grasp, whereas men tend to be more... I guess you could call it "smart" in a different, perhaps more clinical sense? 🙂
Eric Patel21 Eric Patel21 Member
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#225 ·
kriskros99 said:Hold on a second, you’re basically arguing that lions are smarter than gazelles just because the gazelle is "dumb" enough to get caught while the lion is "smart" enough to eat meat🙄
Now you're claiming to be smarter than a tiger because it's stuck in a cage, even though it actually consumes way more protein than you ever will. I don't see how any of this relates to the actual discussion about nutrition...
I honestly don't follow the logic here...

My take is that herbivores are at the bottom of the evolutionary ladder, followed by carnivores, and then omnivores. Since humans are omnivores, we aren't easily fooled by either extreme, whereas an herbivore can't really outmaneuver anyone... which is why I maintain that vegetarians aren't inherently any more intelligent than the rest of us omnivores...
Thomas Stewart97 Thomas Stewart97 Active Member
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#226 ·
hereticST said:My take? Vegetarians are at the bottom of the food chain—followed by carnivores, then omnivores. Since humans are omnivores, neither group can really claim any intellectual superiority over us. In my view, vegetarians aren't any smarter than the rest of the population (omnivores).

Interesting point.
🙂
Sophia Allen12 Sophia Allen12 Active Member
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#227 ·
arna said:She might have been, I guess—but honestly, with all this pollution happening, you have to wonder what everything in the water is soaking up... I just don't know. I used to absolutely love eating seafood, but these days? It just doesn't sit right with me anymore. 😢

Don't talk nonsense. Our coastline is perfectly clean, except for maybe some spots near the major port cities.
wearygardener13 wearygardener13 Active Member
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#228 ·
kriskros99 said:I believe all living things deserve equal respect--at least, that's how I see it.

It feels quite inhuman, I suppose.
Sophia Allen12 Sophia Allen12 Active Member
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#229 ·
Sophia Allen12 said:You don't actually care if an animal suffered terribly—you just love meat too much—so you play the sympathy card, acting all sad while insisting we absolutely have to eat meat.

I feel like I was pretty clear when I said I’d prefer animals to be slaughtered without any unnecessary pain or suffering, period. It’s not like eating meat is a mandatory requirement for survival, but personally, I’d rather have meat than just stick to veggies and stuff because that just doesn't cut it for me. Honestly, if people had been vegetarians a hundred years ago, we probably wouldn't even be here today! And look—do you realize that the human body is biologically designed with a digestive tract that allows us to be omnivores? Why on earth would we try to fight against our own nature?! Plus, let's be real—you're food for something else, too; it's just how the world works. Just because you're being overly sensitive doesn't mean you're being smart.

Sophia Allen12 said:There are some people who could never bring themselves to hurt an animal, yet they still buy pre-packaged meat because they can't wrap their heads around the fact that it's the exact same thing.
A sadist isn't intelligent—because if they were, they’d understand that the universe didn't just pop into existence by accident; there are laws in this creation. They might lack feeling, sure, but they also lack intelligence, because if they were truly smart, they’d realize that by hurting others, they are actually hurting themselves.

🤣 Come on, give me a real argument here—honestly, what you're saying is just ridiculous and totally misses the point. You keep bringing up "universal laws," but your own logic tells you that in the animal kingdom, the real law is eat or be eaten...
Sophia Allen12 Sophia Allen12 Active Member
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#230 ·
kriskros99, do you believe in God? If so, what’s your take on faith?
I mean, looking at the US, over 85% of people identify as Christian—and according to those beliefs, animals and all the riches on this earth were essentially handed to humanity to rule over. Even the Bible goes as far as mentioning animal sacrifices, and in some ancient contexts, even human ones...

On top of that, why do we keep buying cheap stuff made in places like China or Taiwan? We all know deep down that these products are often made by kids under twelve working 16-hour days.
There is just way too much suffering in this world that most people choose to ignore. Personally, I think humans will always hold a higher place than animals, mostly because I truly believe we're the only ones with a soul.
Eric Patel21 Eric Patel21 Member
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#231 ·
Why the hell do vegetarians always feel the need to lecture everyone else like they’re the moral authorities and we’re all just walking errors... Honestly, I couldn't care less if you decide to live on nothing but recycled plastic, just leave the rest of us alone... As if it matters, because I don't see anyone questioning whether the pig suffered while I'm sitting here enjoying a rack of ribs... You're never going to change the world with those hippie delusions... If nature hadn't intended for us to eat meat, we wouldn't have canines, we'd just have flat teeth like cows and thirty yards of intestines so we could try digesting cellulose...
Chris Peterson53 Chris Peterson53 Active Member
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#232 ·
Some stuck-up snob said:Dear executioner,
I honestly think you provided the perfect answer to all these questions—just recently, on a completely different thread.
So, I’m happy to quote it here:

😉

👍 👍 👍
Thomas Stewart97 Thomas Stewart97 Active Member
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#233 ·
Disperadun said:I think I was pretty clear when I said I’d prefer animals to be slaughtered without unnecessary shock or suffering—period. It’s not like meat is a requirement; I’d just rather eat it than stick strictly to vegetables and such because that simply isn't enough for me. If people had been vegetarians even 100 years ago, the human race probably wouldn't have survived. Look, do you actually grasp that the human body is designed with a digestive tract that allows us to be omnivores? Why fight against nature?! Besides, you are food to someone else—it's just a fact. Being overly sensitive doesn't make you any smarter.

🤣Give me an actual argument here—you're being genuinely ridiculous and dense. You mention universal laws, yet your own logic suggests that in the animal kingdom, the rule is simply "eat or be eaten"...

So, I'm "ridiculous and dense" because I believe "the rule is eat or be eaten in the animal kingdom"???😕 🤣

First off, my understanding is that I am not part of the animal kingdom in that sense—I am not operating at an animalistic level—so that "animal law" of "eat or be eaten" doesn't apply to me.

I live in a modern society where meat-free options are readily available; by choosing to eat this way, I am directly preventing the slaughter and immense suffering of countless animals.

God gave me intellect and the power of reasoning. I would argue that a plant-based diet is the right choice—since in today's world, there is no necessity for humans to consume carcasses or slaughter animals just to satisfy cravings or primal urges.

I prioritize life, whereas you seem focused on slaughter, death, and carcasses.
For you, the rule is "eat or be eaten," but for me, it is "live and let live."🙂
mistybison mistybison Regular
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#234 ·
VeronikaN said:...and her intelligence often "thinks" on your behalf😍

😁

It feels as though the primary intellect somehow gets sidelined. It seems they struggle to function in unison, where one side inevitably overrides the other. 🤔 😁
Thomas Stewart97 Thomas Stewart97 Active Member
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#235 ·
Disperadun said:Thomas Stewart97, do you believe in God? If so, what's your faith?
Look, here in America, over 85% of people identify as Christian—and according to that doctrine, animals and all the world's resources were handed to humans to rule over. Even the Bible mentions animal sacrifices, and in some cases, even people...

Furthermore, why do we keep buying cheap goods from places like China or Taiwan when it's common knowledge that those products are often made by children under 12 working 16-hour days?
There is far too much suffering in this world that simply goes ignored. Personally, I think humans will always hold precedence over animals—mostly because I believe only we possess a soul.

I believe in karma and reincarnation.
The Bible has been modified.
Thomas Stewart97 Thomas Stewart97 Active Member
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#236 ·
Donald Trump said:In my view, humans will always hold a higher standing than animals—primarily because I believe we are the only ones endowed with a soul.

Honestly, I think you’re just lacking a soul entirely—which, frankly, is the core truth of what life is all about.🙂
Thomas Stewart97 Thomas Stewart97 Active Member
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#237 ·
Thomas Stewart97 said:WHY DO THESE DAMN VEGETARIANS CONSTANTLY TRY TO CONVINCE EVERYONE ELSE THEY’RE RIGHT AND WE’RE WRONG? Honestly—I couldn't care less if you decide to live on plastic alone; just leave the rest of us in peace. Who cares if the pig suffered? I've got pork chops on the menu tonight! You aren't going to change the world with those hippie ideals. If nature hadn't intended for us to eat meat, we wouldn't have canines—we'd have cow teeth and thirty feet of intestines just to try and digest cellulose.

what you do, comes back to you🙂
rustymaker5 rustymaker5 Regular
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#238 ·
Disperadun said:Cut the nonsense. Our coastline is pristine, except for maybe the areas right around the major port cities.


Is that just some blind local patriotism talking? ☕
William Gonzalez3 William Gonzalez3 Regular
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#239 ·
That pretentious snob said:😉

What a total tease.
William Gonzalez3 William Gonzalez3 Regular
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#240 ·
Butterfly Night said:Maybe women aren't actually any less intelligent than men.

But—and this is a big but—it seems like their path from thought to speech is just... shorter.

It’s basically a scientific fact at this point!

But, I suppose it’s also scientifically proven that they're about two whole points less sharp than men.

It's kind of like how vegetarians are, say, four points smarter than meat-eaters.

At least, that’s my guess—maybe it's four.

Or maybe even more.

Now, I'm a meat-eater myself, and honestly, we aren't exactly math wizards.

We can barely count to twenty-one (if we're guys) or twenty (if we're women).
And even then, us guys only hit twenty-one if we take our shoes off to count our toes—and, well, take off our pants to count that one extra head we have that gives us the edge over women.

Maybe that’s the secret. If women take their pants off, they don't really have anything left to count.
That would explain why they seem less intelligent, while we carnivore males tend to score a bit better on those tests.

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