Are vegetarians actually smarter?

Sophia Allen12 Active Member

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#261 · Jan 14, 2007

kriskros99 said:BWAHAHAHAHA🤣

So, you're claiming to be the smart one here? Man, you’re doing a great job of hiding that... honestly, in this whole debate, you haven't dropped a single solid argument—you're just circling the same drain over and over again.

Eric Patel21 Member

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#262 · Jan 14, 2007

wheel said:I honestly think most people operate on this mindset where they only care about their own interests and couldn't care less about anyone else... That kind of survivalist attitude was necessary for early humans and primitive tribes just to make it through the day. Since then, civilization has actually made some progress, weaving moral and ethical guidelines into our laws that expect us to act according to modern societal standards. Unfortunately, there’s still plenty of room for these primitive attitudes to thrive, which is a shame for the society we live in, though things won't change overnight... Everyone trying to raise those ethical bars—vegetarians included—is just doing their part by standing up for their views and explaining them. That's really the reason why vegetarians feel emboldened to speak up about their lifestyle and perspectives... I don't see any reason why anyone should feel offended or threatened by that.

Spare me the lecture on morality and ethics... If you want to live "in harmony with nature," then eat meat because that's how it works, and if you don't, fine, but nature always collects its debt eventually... Vegetarians end up with colon cancer at higher rates than omnivores anyway. Look, I truly don't care what anyone puts on their plate, I really don't, and if someone wants to eat garbage, that's their business... It just gets under my skin when vegetarians try to prove they eat "better" or act like they're superior human beings just because they aren't killing animals... Give me a break, who do they think they are to judge me?

Carol Parker Member

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#263 · Jan 14, 2007

hereticST said:Look, just drop all this fake moralizing and ethics stuff already. If you actually want people to live "in harmony with nature," then we should be eating meat because, well, that's just how nature works. If you don't want to, fine, go for it—but nature eventually settles the score. I mean, vegetarians end up with colon cancer at higher rates than omnivores, right? Honestly, I really don't care what anyone else puts on their plate; if someone wants to eat garbage, that’s their business. It just gets under my skin when vegetarians try to lecture everyone about having a "better" diet or acting like they're superior humans just because they aren't killing animals. Give me a break... who do they think they are, judging me?!

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It's pretty much impossible to completely avoid consuming anything animal-based,
so how do they even justify that stance?
I guess I just stick to what feels right to me; it's kind of like what Jesus taught (and honestly, I don't really care who said it, I just tend to agree)
Humans are essentially above animals in the sense that you're only justified in killing one if you intend to eat it, or if it's strictly necessary for your own survival.

William Hernandez26 Active Member

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#264 · Jan 14, 2007

hereticST said:Vegetarians actually face higher rates of colon cancer than meat eaters.

Good grief, what a fool 🙏. Colon cancer is more prevalent in Western nations—specifically those where red meat consumption is high and fiber intake is low. This holds true for other cancers as well, obviously.

The consumption of red meat and processed meats is indeed linked to an increased risk of colon cancer, according to a meta-analysis published in the New England Journal of Medicine.

William Hernandez26, how many times do you have to repeat yourself before you realize you're just being blocked? Or until the moderators figure out you're just trolling? Honestly, give me a break.🙏

Thomas Stewart97 Active Member

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#265 · Jan 14, 2007

Donald Trump said:You claim to be intelligent? Well, buddy, you’re doing a great job of hiding it—you haven't offered a single solid argument in this entire discussion, just repeating the same tired points over and over.

Since you believe that only humans possess a soul, talking to you is essentially a waste of my time.🙂

William Gonzalez3 Regular

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#266 · Jan 14, 2007

arna said:So, what, you have twenty toes? 😕
I'll give you this one—you're right about the head part. 🥳

Ten on my hands,
ten on my feet,
and then there's this one for my head, I suppose.
😁

William Gonzalez3 Regular

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#267 · Jan 14, 2007

misery- said:I mean, how many times does someone have to get shut down before you realize what's happening? Or when will the moderators finally catch on that it's just trolling? Honestly, kids, give me a break.🙏.

it’s just because we’re all a bunch of mindless idiots

and maybe even the moderators are part of the problem too

William Hernandez26 Active Member

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#268 · Jan 14, 2007

Oh, come on, executioner, you’re clinging to those views like a drowning man just so you don't have to face the truth. Is it really that hard to realize millions of people thrive—even better—without meat? Or are you just too lazy to move your butt and actually step away from the crowd?

That’s all I have to say to you, so don't even bother. 😛

William Gonzalez3 Regular

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#269 · Jan 14, 2007

misery- said:Oh, come on, William Gonzalez3—you're just clinging to your guns like a drunk holding onto a pier, claiming meat is "necessary" just so you don't have to reconsider your own positions.

not really.
I'm certainly not the type to go around explaining to someone else who happens to be more intelligent than whom.
Nor am I interested in dissecting anyone's mental makeup or anything of that sort.

The real aggressors in this entire saga aren't those aggressive, bloodthirsty carnivores.

Rather, they are the people right in your own backyard.
It's them who question everyone else who is different.
They are the ones who separate themselves from the rest with such disdain.
They are the ones who start threads about others—and themselves.
Degrading others, mostly.
While self-aggrandizing, of course.

My stance is pretty straightforward, I guess.
Most people need meat.
Our civilization is built for carnivores—because, frankly, they are the ones who built it and continue to shape it into what it is today.
And I don't think habits change unless the whole structure of civilization changes first.
By leaning into these tedious, sweeping generalizations about intelligence, and by adopting that somewhat condescending tone, vegetarians might actually achieve the exact opposite of their intended goal—or perhaps they don't want to achieve it, because then they wouldn't feel quite so special or superior, which seems to be a huge priority for many here.
By being so aggressive and acting so high-and-mighty, all they'll really do is foster resentment
from most people toward themselves, effectively grouping themselves with other loud, deviant minorities, like certain LGBTQ+ groups, for instance.

Threads like this don't actually help bridge the gap between different worldviews; instead, they draw a very sharp line between those deemed "worthy and progressive" and those dismissed as "backwards."

Whether you want to admit that to yourself or not.
This topic, and ones like it, seem designed more to convince vegetarians of their supposed superiority.
If the intention were a serious investigation into these phenomena, I suppose I would participate quite earnestly.
But there's just no need for that here.
And what are you even doing up this late?
tsk tsk tsk.

wearygardener13 Active Member

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#270 · Jan 14, 2007

misery- said:Oh, come on—you're just clinging to your ways like a drunkard to a fence post because you're afraid that admitting meat isn't "necessary" might force you to rethink your whole worldview. It’s hard for you to see that millions of people don't need meat—they actually function quite well, maybe even better, without it. I guess it's just easier than finally getting off your lazy ass and, heaven forbid, actually standing apart from the crowd.

Honestly, you guys are such idiots. Why do you keep insisting this is nothing but pure conformism? What are you even talking about? For most people, meat *is* a necessity, and most wouldn't choose to live without it. It makes me want to walk right off a bridge when you constantly spout this nonsense that our way of life is just conformity—as if you're all somehow superior or more enlightened than everyone else. You're just full of yourselves, really. 🙄 🙄 🙄

Rachel Martinez11 Active Member

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#271 · Jan 14, 2007

hereticST said:Honestly, all I find irritating is when vegetarians try to lecture me about how much "better" their diet is or act like they’re morally superior just because they don't kill animals.

Look, if you have to kill an animal to survive, you aren't any worse than someone who doesn't. It’s the same logic with self-defense—if you’re forced to take a life, you aren't a monster. But if you actually have a choice, and you still choose violence—whether against an animal or a person—then yeah, you're in a different category than someone who avoids it. Now, that doesn't apply to the average meat eater who has no clue how the industrial meat complex actually operates. Most people are completely oblivious to the alternatives out there, largely because Big Ag spends billions on media propaganda and lobbying politicians here in the States and all over the world.

wearygardener13 Active Member

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#272 · Jan 14, 2007

kriskros99 said:BWAHAHAHAHA🤣

animals don't have souls—I guess🙂

Thomas Stewart97 Active Member

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#273 · Jan 14, 2007

The bottom line is that these poor animals are suffering needlessly—all just because you people enjoy gorging yourselves on carcasses.😱

wearygardener13 Active Member

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#274 · Jan 14, 2007

wheel said:Someone who kills an animal out of pure necessity—well, I suppose they aren't any worse than someone who doesn't kill at all. It’s similar to when a person is forced to take a life—they aren't inherently more evil than those who haven't had to face such a choice. However—and this is the crucial part—someone who actually has an alternative but chooses to kill a person or an animal anyway... they are certainly worse than those who don't kill. Now, I don't mean to include meat eaters who simply aren't aware of how the industry works or that alternatives exist. There are so many people like that—likely due to intense media propaganda and the massive influence the meat industry holds over politics, both here in America and globally.

Man, when are you going to realize it isn't about that—it's about the fact that people just LOVE EATING MEAT! Do you honestly think anyone is forcing people to eat what they clearly enjoy?

Geez, you are really stuck in your own head 🤮

wearygardener13 Active Member

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#275 · Jan 14, 2007

kriskros99 said:The core issue—if you want to call it that—is simply that these poor animals suffer needlessly just because people enjoy gorging themselves on carcasses.😱

works for me 🥳

Thomas Stewart97 Active Member

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#276 · Jan 14, 2007

sad but true said:animals don't have souls🙂

Animals absolutely have souls—and they die in agony just because of people like you.👎 🤮 🙂 🙂

Rachel Martinez11 Active Member

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#277 · Jan 14, 2007

misery- said:It’s just hard for you to open your eyes and realize that millions of people don't need meat, and they function perfectly fine—actually, even better—without it.

The executioner is a good man. Honestly, he’s more intelligent and fair-minded than 90% of the people I run into, including both of those vegetarians. He just needs a little time to work on his own self-awareness and figure out how to connect with his own gut feelings. Once he hits a bit more maturity and things settle down, everything will click, and he'll become a really positive part of this community. I have absolutely zero doubt about that.

wearygardener13 Active Member

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#278 · Jan 14, 2007

kriskros99 said:animals have souls and they die in agony—all because of people like you👎 🤮 🙂 🙂

Animals don't have souls🙂

Thomas Stewart97 Active Member

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#279 · Jan 14, 2007

sad but true said:works for me 🥳

Sure—it works for you—mostly because you haven't realized there’s a whole world beyond this material plane.
Karma eventually catches up to everyone.
It'll come back to haunt you sooner or later.🙂

Thomas Stewart97 Active Member

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#280 · Jan 14, 2007

sad but true said:animals don't have souls🙂

I live with plenty of animals—and I am 100% certain they possess souls—which means those responsible for their slaughter will eventually have to face the music and learn their lesson.
Why do some people find the world to be a living hell? It is because Earth is essentially a classroom—one where you stay until you finally grasp the lesson.

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