Are vegetarians actually smarter?

Rachel Martinez11 said:I get where you're coming from. It's the same thing that keeps me up at night. Personally, I'm convinced we can actually make this happen. The problem is, just like any massive shift in how society works, it requires huge capital and actual political willpower—meaning convincing the majority of people to change their minds. But think about the potential if we just took all that money currently being poured into Big Meat and redirected it toward lab-grown or plant-based research. The meat industry is drowning in government subsidies, and the political establishment is going to fight tooth and nail to ensure nothing ever replaces them.

He jumped into a normal conversation and then just started rambling like a lunatic. Not even a single one of these vegetarians is sane. 🙂

nimblemarlin17 said:He jumped into the fray with what seemed like a reasonable point, but man, the rant he just went on? Absolute madness. These vegetarians aren't even remotely intellectual. Not even close. 🙂

Look, my friend, I wouldn't understand a single word if I were sitting through a lecture on quantum physics either, but I certainly wouldn't have the nerve to call the professor an intellectual because of it. Honestly, I’d probably just sit there and keep my mouth shut. Besides, we're discussing actual intelligence here, not whether vegetarians think they're deep.

I just don't get these veggie characters and their whole "foot" thing... it’s just the damn food chain. If those unknown guys were three meters tall and weighed 300 kg with shark teeth, they'd eat us without a second thought. It's a shame, really. As long as I'm at the top of the chain, I'm fine, but out in the ocean? I'm terrified because I'm definitely not at the top. So, I rarely go in the water... 🤣 🤣

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darkrider96 said:but I just don't get the whole vegan argument, or that hierarchy thing they talk about. It’s just the damn food chain. If humans were three meters tall, weighing 300 kilos, and had teeth like Great Whites, we’d be eating each other without a second thought. Honestly, as long as I'm at the top of the ladder, I'm fine with things the way they are—though I'll admit the ocean terrifies me because I'm definitely not at the top there, so I rarely go in much.🤣 🤣

Personally, I don't consider myself an idiot. Or at least, that's what I tell myself to sleep at night. The real distinction between me and a complete moron is that I possess self-awareness and the agency to choose my meals. If I have an accident on a sidewalk, I can make the conscious decision to head to a restroom instead of just relieving myself right there because my instincts told me to. An idiot doesn't have that luxury. Neither does a cow. You can't really blame them for their actions; animals lack self-consciousness, which effectively strips them of any concept of responsibility or guilt. Besides, a full idiot wouldn't eat you even if they stood five meters tall. Humans can feast on plenty of delicious plant-based options, yet we still tend to gravitate toward meat. It’s easy to sit at the peak of the food chain and shrug, saying, "Well, it's just nature," or "Humans are inherently more valuable than animals." But if some superior species rose up tomorrow—something as vastly more capable of dominating us as we are of dominating animals—nobody would be standing there arguing, "Go ahead, farm us for food since we're objectively more important than you." It would be a completely different story then...

unknown said:I swear, some bodybuilders basically lose their ability to think straight right before a competition because they're living on nothing but protein.
The brain needs glucose to function, and these guys aren't getting any.

And I’m telling you, I heard this firsthand from a friend of mine who does fitness modeling—she mentioned she isn't competing until October because she has to focus on her finals. 😁 If she cuts out grains and carbs during exam season, everything just goes totally south.

So, maybe there actually is something to this whole "vegetarian intelligence" theory after all! 😁

Anyway, coming at you from the meat-eater side of things—please don't come for me! 😁

Honestly, bringing up bodybuilders is such a reach. You're totally missing the point here—not eating enough carbs can actually lead to serious health issues... plus, your average meat-eater gets plenty of sugar through bread, potatoes, fruit, and stuff like that, so what you wrote doesn't really hold water! And bodybuilders are a whole different beast entirely...

I don't mind vegetarianism as a way to show compassion toward animals—that makes sense—but as a "healthier lifestyle" choice? I'm skeptical. Most mass-produced food today is loaded with additives and junk. So, while cutting out meat might help you avoid certain issues found in processed meats, you're still stuck eating all the pesticides sprayed on crops, not to mention the preservatives used in freezing and canning...

Rachel Martinez11 said:From the moment we're born, people are bombarded with all these doctrines—which, frankly, aren't even logical—that clash with common sense; they just stick because they're ingrained so early, and we're constantly surrounded by other indoctrinated people and media propaganda

I disagree. I think most vegetarians have had their brains washed. Not that it matters why I'm vegetarian—it just matters that I am—but some people just love to look down on others 🙄 🙄 🙄

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azzie_elbub said:You’re being paranoid again—😳
though I suppose reality might be a bit different than you think 😉. I know what I’ve been going through firsthand—plus, I hear similar stories from others facing the exact same "issues."
I’m not judging anyone based on how they live their lives—nor do I want to be judged myself—but I feel it’s fair to say I simply won't swallow a lie when someone tries to force-feed it to me.

So... a dead plant isn't a carcass?

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Rachel Martinez11 said:That is a truly valuable statement—and I think the reasoning is quite solid.

And look at who’s lecturing me—you, specifically—constantly insisting that everyone else is at fault while you alone have reached enlightenment. Honestly, please just give it a rest... it is perfectly acceptable to eat meat, I suppose.👍 👍 👍

wearygardener13 said:And then there’s the type who keeps insisting we’re all equally to blame while they alone hold the keys to enlightenment. Honestly, just give it a rest already. There is absolutely nothing wrong with eating meat.👍 👍 👍

Even Freud wouldn't have seen that coming.

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I’m not really looking to go vegetarian—I knew two women back in the day, one was strictly vegan and the other lived on that macrobiotic stuff, and they both passed away from cancer a few years ago... one from breast cancer, the other ovarian.

And clearly, meat eaters just live forever, right? 😁
Or at least they don't die from heart attacks or colon cancer 😬
Basically, every carnivore just dies happy and carefree 😁

bobo23 said:An IQ of 106 isn't exactly groundbreaking... personally, I think mine is higher—I eat meat. I mean, IQ isn't some universal metric for intelligence since these tests can't possibly cover every single aspect of life or human behavior.
I suppose it might have something to do with the moral awareness of not killing living things... though what does it matter if you're wearing leather shoes? As for healthy eating, I don't think you need to go overboard on anything (fats, sugar, salt), and that should lower heart attack risks enough without blaming everything on meat consumption.
And honestly, these high-society ladies... it’s easy for them to play vegetarian when they have the money to buy all those fancy little extras... let them eat kale and leeks every single day and they'll give up pretty fast.😬

Meat and fish are more expensive than any fruit, vegetable, beans, or rice???
What exactly is this "expensive" food vegetarians are eating?
They eat basically the same stuff we do, just minus the meat:
Spaghetti with tomato sauce, veggies, and mushrooms, except they skip the ground beef.
Sandwiches with cucumbers, tomatoes, and cheese, just without the deli meat.
Pizza with cheese and veggies, no ham.
Veggie risotto instead of seafood.
Zucchini and eggplant moussaka, no meat, etc.
I mean, seriously, I don't get it. Who actually has the budget to be a vegetarian? WTF??? 😕

wearygardener13 said:Is a dead plant really considered a carcass?

well, according to the Merriam-Webster dictionary:
a carcass is the dead body of an animal; a corpse or remains
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What’s the actual value of a living thing?

Some people just calculate mass times the price per pound—simple, right?

Then there are others who actually believe life itself holds some kind of intrinsic worth.

But honestly, if you want to wrap your head around those equations, you'd need to fire up a part of the brain that most people haven't even unlocked yet.

Dennis Nguyen78 said:well, according to unknown:
a carcass is the remains of an animal; a corpse, a carcass, a carrion
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Yeah—I guess you should probably just stick to the dictionary then🙄

biologically speaking, it’s all essentially the same thing—the dead remains of a deceased organism👍

Rachel Martinez11 said:Look, buddy, I wouldn't understand a word if I sat through a lecture on quantum physics either, but that doesn't mean I'd call the professor a genius. Honestly, I’d probably just shut up and listen. Besides, this thread is about intelligence, not how deep vegetarians think they are.

I actually assumed vegetarians were smarter since they supposedly grasp quantum physics. 🙄

You should probably just keep your mouth shut. You'd say a lot less nonsense that way.

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wearygardener13 unknown said:Man, you all might want to go grab a dictionary before we continue this. 🙄

From a purely biological standpoint, it’s exactly the same thing—you're just looking at the dead remains of a killed organism. 👍

Now you’re suddenly blaming the dictionary? Give me a break.
I honestly don't know where to start with this. It feels like we're constantly losing the ability to actually communicate because everyone expects a magic button to do the thinking for them. You can't just walk around expecting the world to provide a complete vocabulary on demand. It’s about effort. It’s about building that mental foundation so you aren't left grasping at straws when you're trying to make a point. I remember sitting in an English lit seminar back in college—it was grueling, let me tell you—and the professor used to say that if you don't own your words, someone else will own you. That sticks with me. We need to stop looking for shortcuts and start doing the actual work of learning how to express ourselves properly. m I’ve been spending far too much time lately digging through various linguistic datasets—essentially collections of words and phrases pulled from one or multiple languages—to try and make sense of how they actually function in the wild. It isn't just about a list of vocabulary; it’s about the nuances of usage and the specific contexts that give a phrase its weight. Honestly, it’s exhausting. You spend hours dissecting why a certain idiom works in an American dialect but falls completely flat when you try to apply it elsewhere. It’s like trying to explain the rules of baseball to someone who has never even seen a diamond. One minute you think you’ve mastered the syntax, and the next, you realize you've missed the subtle implication that changes the entire meaning of a sentence. It reminds me of a project I worked on back in Chicago. We were trying to categorize consumer feedback, and we kept running into these linguistic walls where the literal translation was useless because the "feeling" behind the words was lost. You can have all the definitions in the world, but if you don't understand the cultural shorthand, you're just guessing. That's what this whole endeavor feels like right now. It’s more than just definitions; it’s about decoding the logic behind how people actually communicate.

Well, you tell me—do you honestly think they believe we can just bend the meaning to our will whenever it suits us?☕

Look, are you honestly playing dumb here? The meat we eat is essentially the same thing as the plants we consume—just dead remains of some once-living organism, whether you want to call it a corpse or whatever else 👍
. It’s just that your obsession—I guess you could say—prevents you from admitting that you're wrong about this.

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wearygardener13 said:Look, are you seriously playing dumb? The meat we eat is fundamentally the same thing as the plants we consume—they are both just dead remains of a once-living organism. Call it a carcass or whatever helps you sleep at night, but your obsession prevents you from admitting you're wrong about this. 👍

I am truly not being delusional here. 😘
If you had bothered to read the older threads more carefully, maybe you wouldn't be so confused... very few people among my colleagues or acquaintances actually understand this. It’s mostly just family and close friends. I don't hide it—heaven forbid—but I don't carry it around like a badge of shame or play the victim either.
And I'm not playing dumb. The word "carcass" carries weight for a reason. Sure, withered vegetation is sad, but there isn't a specific, heavy term for it; the closest thing would be a "still life." But that's a completely different conversation, and honestly, we've veered way too far off track here.
Thanks for listening. 😘

Of course, you feel the need to justify yourselves 🙄

What is the actual difference—if there even is one—between killing animals and killing plants?