Buddhism

Nagadjam
What about you?

I know 😎 😎

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Let’s get down to brass tacks: what is the actual, concrete proof that Jesus was enlightened?

Are you seriously quoting Raman for that kind of nonsense????

Uh, I can't handle any more translating right now. If you want me to keep going later, I might be able to add more.

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Is that really how you translate things???

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The Raman works have already been translated into English; they're all over the internet...
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Karen Sanchez19 said:I know 😎 😎

😂😂🙂

Here’s my take on why someone would claim Jesus was enlightened.

Like I said before, I’m mostly just speculating. I rely on the words of people I suspect might know more than I do—reading their biographies, studying their supposed quotes, and diving into their writings. I try to build a mental picture of what a true Master should actually look like versus who certain individuals claim to be. That’s really the limit of what the mind can do; anything beyond that is purely a matter of faith. And honestly, let’s face it, even those scriptures and biographies could just be made up...

The practice I advocate for involves verifying everything through personal experience (though that requires serious work 😁).

Intuition plays a role too, though sometimes it hits hard and other times it’s just a faint whisper of what might or might not be true.

Why do you think Raman is enlightened? I could sit down right now and write a book just like his. But I wouldn't have the power to impact people the way he does. A true Master is someone whose mere presence provides spiritual inspiration, not someone who just repeats what they’ve read or heard from others.
There’s also this idea that a teacher can only truly be a teacher if they can see your past and your future.

I’ve always been drawn to the standards set by Swami Brahmanandin (Maharishi's Guru), who headed off to the Himalayas at just nine years old to find a teacher. He believed a candidate had to be a perfect brahmachari (celibate from birth), capable of entering Samadhi at will, completely free of anger, and deeply well-versed in the sacred texts.

So, I have my own set of criteria based on religious texts, the lives of saints and yogis, and my own experiences dealing with various cults over the last few years. It might not be perfect, but it’s the best framework I have. Given how easy it is to find controversies online these days, I use this information to try and gauge a person's character as best as anyone can when they haven't yet crossed that spiritual threshold themselves.

If you were actually looking for a personal Guru, you’d need to spend several more years observing them in real life—watching their actions, their character, how they behave, how they affect people, their teachings, and their overall capability.

Karen Sanchez19 said:Are you seriously trying to pass that off as a quote from Raman or what?

I mean, obviously, that’s exactly what those Lame types and the Jads were hunting for, right?😕

Learning or a teacher? Which one actually works better? 😁
Dogs seem to prefer the second option, but let’s be real—they’re different breeds. That first type just barks "NO! NO!" at everything you do. 😂 😂

But honestly, you don't even need either of them if you've mastered how to tap into receiving energy (the yin side of things). 😁 👍
The problem is, the entire West is basically pure yang, so I have my doubts. 😂 So, go ahead—keep on clucking away with all that yang energy if that's what you want. 😎

Karen Sanchez19 said:Translation😕

Is this really how beautifully you translate things???

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Raman's work has already been translated into English; you can find it online...
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I wouldn't go so far as to say it's that beautiful, especially considering how quickly it was done.

It exists, sure, but I find this specific book way more practical because Bhagavan's answers are organized by topic. It lets me just flip to the "Guru" chapter or the "meditation" section and grab what I need instead of digging through a mountain of text trying to hunt down a specific point.

AMERICAN SPIRITUALITY:
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Go ahead, give me one specific name of a master who actually achieved nothing through mere inaction.
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Franjo Ashishki (St. Francis)

Enlightened without any sort of "preliminary training" while lying in a hospital bed in New York City.

Hakuin - Zen Master

Enlightened without any "preliminary work," simply while he was out fishing at a lake.

Mahavira - Jain Ascetic

Enlightened without any "preliminary steps" while tending to a cow.
Even though he is often depicted in the act of "milking," some experts claim Mahavira attained enlightenment just by watching a snail crawl from behind a bush.

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You American parrots, this list is far from finished.

For the sake of your infantile spiritual education, why don't you just create a statistical sample?

Compare the number of fervent "active" seekers against the actual results of all that "work."
The percentage of true enlightenment is less than one in a million.

Now, compare the number of ignorant "inactive" seekers against the effects of their sheer negligence.
The percentage of enlightenment is skyrocketing within this "blessed" group.

Furthermore, Sri Aurobindo, Yogananda, and Nisagadhata are nothing more than loud trumpets boasting of "spiritual achievements."
It is pure Indian fraud and manipulation.
When Master John was presenting his fictional dialogue with Nisagadhata here, weren't you smaller than an ant? Why?

If you are curious as to why this Master keeps some of your little followers categorized as unawakened, just ask. That is perhaps the best way to test Master John.👋

Just because you don't have anything specific on your plate doesn't mean you should be sitting around doing nothing! 👍
That's a pretty solid excuse right there!
One man 🙂
One man 🙂
Or, if you want to put it the way the KKK would say it: One man hangs, One man begs! 😂 😂

and One man 🙂!

BULGARIAN PIG:
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blah, blah... nirvikalpa Samadhi... blah, blah...
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This MASTER from the West is arriving, you pig.
He comes from much further WEST than that tiny little corner of the North American Peninsula you call home.

This MASTER doesn't follow those Indian scammers and thugs. Someone once "respected" them, or so they claimed.
Just like you, pig.

This MASTER knows about the ONE AND ONLY thing those Indian thieves and thugs would call—Samadhi.
But the West knows a much better Formula—“Mystical Unity.”
🙂An ENLIGHTENED MASTER is just missing a few followers,🙂 and he’ll tell you exactly how they say it in Latin.
In this "Unity," there are no levels. Any appearance of "gradation" is merely expressed through varying "abilities" in spiritual "teaching."

Keep that constantly in mind, Truth seeker. There is a MASSIVE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
a TEACHER and a MASTER. The former cannot exist without the latter.
The LATTER CAN EXIST WITHOUT THE FORMER.👋

The West thinks they’ve found a better Formula 1—it's nothing more than a "Mystical Image" or just a massive pile of mental garbage! 😂 😂 😂

This Master really loves talking about his own Self in the third person! 😂 😂

Jose Reyes said:Franjo Ashishki (St. Francis)

Achieved Enlightenment without any "preliminary steps" while sitting in a hospital in Chicago.

HAKUIN - ZEN MASTER

Achieved Enlightenment without any "preliminary steps" while he was just out fishing at a lake.

MAHAVIRA - the Jain ascetic

Achieved Enlightenment without any "preliminary steps" while milking a cow.
Some scholars argue he was depicted during the milking process, though Mahavira actually reached Enlightenment while chasing a little rabbit behind some bushes.

Hmm, let's see.

Jose Reyes said:Francis Ashishki (St. Francis)

Enlightenment without any of those tedious "preliminary steps" in a clinical setting like Kaiser Permanente.

Alright, let's take a look at what the most famous biography of St. Francis has to say (written by St. Bonaventure):

Chapter 1: Life Guidance

Deep within the heart of young Francis, God's influence toward the poor had planted a seed of compassionate generosity. This quality grew alongside him from his earliest childhood, filling his heart with such profound kindness that, even though he wasn't a dedicated listener of the Gospel, he felt compelled to share his meager resources with anyone who asked—especially if they spoke of God's love.
There was once a merchant who was so caught up in his business that he turned away a poor man asking for alms out of pure love for God. As soon as he realized what he had done, he rushed after the man to offer him charity. In that moment, he made a solemn vow to God that from then on, as long as he lived, he would never refuse anyone who approached him seeking help for the sake of Divine love. He held onto this commitment with relentless fervor until the day he died, a practice that caused his devotion to God and his capacity for mercy to grow exponentially through his life of karma yoga. Later, having become fully clothed in Christ, he would reflect on how, even while still living in the world, he could never speak of God’s love without feeling his Heart swell with emotion.

We know he lived a completely worldly life until his illness forced a turning point. Honestly, I don't see why you’re calling that conversion "enlightenment." First off, St. Francis wasn't some yogi or a scholar chasing nirvikalpa Samadhi just to check a box. A Bhakta is interested in an unending relationship with God—that deep, soul-level love that often manifests through various states of ecstasy, or *bhavas*, which can be just as profound as Samadhi. There are different levels of this emotional intensity, like *maha bhava* or *prema*. For instance, those moments of spiritual ecstasy later in his life, including the ones near the end when he received the stigmata, were all *bhavas*. That was a spiritual awakening that served as the starting line for a lifelong journey of personal intimacy with God—a path defined by sacrifice, fasting, mortification, and constant prayer. It’s not like he just sat around doing nothing.

After recovering from his illness, he gave his clothes to a poor knight. That very night, he had a dream where he saw a massive hall filled with treasures. A voice told him that all of it would belong to him and his soldiers as a reward for the mercy he showed that knight out of his love for Jesus. According to his biography:

When he woke up that morning, his spirit wasn't quite ready to dive into the deep mysteries of the Divine. He hadn't yet mastered the ability to look past the physical world to see the underlying truth of things, so he figured an unusual vision must simply be a sign of incredible good luck. Since he still had no clue what God actually intended for him, he decided to head out to Virginia to seek out a local governor. He was pinning all his hopes on landing a position in the governor's service, praying he might achieve the military glory that his strange vision had promised.

So, after falling ill, he wasn't exactly acting like an "enlightened master" anymore.

On that road, he heard the voice of God asking him, "Francis, who can do more for you: a master or a servant, a wealthy man or a pauper?" When he answered that it was the wealthy man, the voice continued, "Why then, would you abandon your masters for the sake of a servant, or leave a wealthy God behind for a poor man?" "Lord, what should I do?" he asked. The reply was: "Return to your homeland, for the vision you have experienced carries profound spiritual significance. You are meant to fulfill a divine mandate, not a human one."

Vrativ eventually started pulling away from public life, retreating instead into deep, devout prayer, asking God for guidance on his true purpose. He began seeking out isolated spots for intense prayer sessions. There was this one episode involving a leper—at first, Vrativ felt a wave of revulsion, but remembering his sacred vows, he dismounted his horse, embraced the man, and gave him some money, which mysteriously vanished the moment he turned away. During one of those fervent prayers in the lonely wilderness of Arizona, Jesus appeared to him on a cross. In that moment of pure ecstasy, he realized he was being given a direct Gospel mandate: "If you wish to follow me, deny your Self, take up your cross, and follow me."

And that's enough for now, this is plenty.

a pop-corn fart:
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This Master seems to have this peculiar habit of addressing his own Self in the third person!
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"Every girl can tell just by looking at her face,
which one is wiping her backside with a stone."

For Galama Dear, the Master from New York City👋

Look, the main thing is that you're actually reading, Amanda Evans29, 😂
and it’s definitely not 'God's love' we're talking about—it's more like cauliflower! 😂 😂

From the writings of Saint Francis:

So, my brothers, let’s be incredibly careful. We have to make sure we don't lose sight of our faith or drift away from God just because we get caught up in chasing profits, finishing tasks, or looking for help. It's easy to let life's distractions pull us away. Instead, I’m asking all of you—both our leaders and everyone else—to live in love, which is the very essence of God. Let's clear away every obstacle and set aside every worry so we can love God as much as humanly possible. Let's serve Him and honor Him with pure hearts, doing whatever He asks above all else with total sincerity. We should always make a home for Him, for He is the Lord God Almighty—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. He tells us: "Stay alert and pray at all times so that you may have the strength to face everything that is coming and stand firm before the Son of Man" (Luke 21:36). When you rise to pray, say, "Lord, have mercy on us." Let’s worship Him with clean hearts, because we need to keep praying and never give up; that’s exactly the kind of devotion the Father is looking for. God is spirit, and those who worship Him must do so in spirit and in truth. Let's lean on Him as the shepherd and protector of our souls...

Psalmist PIG:
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Deep within the heart of young Francis, through the influence of the Divine... there existed a certain pitiful, self-serving generosity.
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This is DNA-Enlightenment at its absolute finest!!!!!😉

The rest of it? You might as well just swirl it around and pour it out into the Western Mediterranean, Truth Seeker.
Especially those hollow, posthumous Church panegyrics.
Let's move on!!!!🙄

I know! I totally know! You're such an Aikido master! 😂 😂 😂 Seriously, one more step and we'll be staring at some shell-related stuff! 😂 😂

ST. FRANCIS OF ASSISI ON ENLIGHTENMENT:
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Therefore, my brothers, we must all be extremely vigilant; let us not, under the guise of mere business, profit, or even an act of service, inadvertently sever our thoughts and our hearts from God. Instead, let us dwell in love—which is God Himself. I implore all my brothers, both the ministers and the laity alike, to remove every obstacle and cast aside every worldly anxiety. To the best of your ability, love the Lord; serve Him and bow before Him with pure hearts, and above all, fulfill His will with sincere intention. Let us always make a home and a dwelling place for Him, the Lord God Almighty—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit—who tells us: "Be on your guard and always pray that you may be able to escape all this that is coming and that you may be able to stand against the Son of Man" (Luke 21:36). When you rise for prayer, say: "Lead us not." Let us worship Him with pure hearts, for one must always pray and never lose heart, for such are precisely the worshippers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and in truth. We turn to Him as the Shepherd and Guardian of our souls...
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Listen, you Spiritual brat, if Francis of Assisi hadn't spoken exactly like this during his Awakening—assuming he spoke this way at all (according to the History of the Vatican)—then shallow, proselytizing dualists like you would have already torn him apart, just as that tragic Savonarola felt upon his own limbs.
Just as Mensur was equally exposed by his own hand.
It seems certain things are still quite unclear to you, Truth Seeker.
In all honesty, you are in dire need of help from an ENLIGHTENED MASTER🙂Par Sisa Fali🙂.