Immigration: General Discussion Vol. IV (Read first post and moderator warning on pg. 309)

Donna Harris11 said:Smugglers will straight up sink boats full of migrants the second they spot a Greek Navy vessel or police boat.

It's basically the same thing happening over in Lampedusa.

I wonder if anyone has ever stopped to ask why Australia never deals with economic refugees.
The Australians dealt with the whole sinking boats issue a long time ago.
The method is actually quite simple.
When they encounter them near the Coast Guard, those economic migrants' vessels get sunk. But the Australians don't take them aboard; instead, they drop a rescue boat that has a hook on the bow. Once the economic migrants climb inside, fast interceptors from the Coast Guard ship hook onto that rescue boat and tow it back toward Indonesia, where they basically just push them back that way.
If the economic migrants refuse to get into the rescue boat because they know they'll just be deported, they get packed onto a Coast Guard ship that never actually reaches Australian soil. The ship heads toward Papua New Guinea (Manhattan Island). They have a refugee camp there to look after them. Once they disclose their home country, they're flown back once enough people have gathered (usually people from Bangladesh, Indochina, or Indonesia).
These people never actually make it to Australia.
There was some news recently about how Australia will start sending them to some remote island in the Pacific to set up a camp.
Australia has the toughest anti-immigration border in the world.
I remember watching an Australian documentary that showed the military patrolling the coastlines where migrants might land. It highlighted how having Indigenous Australian soldiers in those units is a huge advantage, since they're so much better at tracking and finding people.

wanderingbison9 said:Wasn't Andy being perfectly reasonable when she pointed out that migrants don't really get to handpick where they seek asylum?

I mean, what—should we just chain them up here so they can't move along?...

Karen Doyle72 said:Man, I’ve heard this one before and I still can't wrap my head around the logic... how exactly do the smugglers sink the boat they're actually standing on?
They just scuttle the ship and then what? Do they just start swimming?
Just sink along with everyone else?

Does Aquaman just show up to save the day?

I haven't exactly seen smuggling vessels carrying lifeboats for them to bail out with while they cause chaos and let the migrants drown.

They just puncture the hull the second they spot the Coast Guard so they "have" to be rescued to stay afloat.

NATO CHIEF WARNS: ‘Russia and Syria are weaponizing refugees against Europe’

Philip Breedlove, the top commander for NATO, is sounding the alarm—saying the massive wave of migration heading toward Europe is basically giving ISIS a way to spread "like cancer."

Following some Senate reports, Philip Breedlove told reporters at the Pentagon that letting migrants move freely toward Europe and the USA just cranks up the risk of terror attacks, according to CNN.

It’s funny, isn't it? The head of NATO is finally saying out loud what people have been shouting on this forum for months—stuff that was supposedly "off-limits" to talk about. If this flood of refugees into Europe is actually a way for terrorist groups to slip their members right under our noses—infiltrating populations to prep for future strikes—then we're seeing it play out. We already had a direct example of this when one of the attackers behind the New York City strikes moved through America, posing as nothing more than a poor refugee.

But hey, of course, it’s much easier to just look the other way and pretend none of this is happening because, you know, saying it out loud isn't exactly "politically correct." God forbid we say anything that might hurt someone's feelings! We wouldn't want anyone to get offended, right? That would be just terrible. We can't let that happen.

Peter Brooks5 said:I wonder if anyone has ever stopped to ask why Australia never deals with economic refugees.
The Australians dealt with the whole sinking boats issue a long time ago.
The method is actually quite simple.
When they encounter them near the Coast Guard, those economic migrants' vessels get sunk. But the Australians don't take them aboard; instead, they drop a rescue boat that has a hook on the bow. Once the economic migrants climb inside, fast interceptors from the Coast Guard ship hook onto that rescue boat and tow it back toward Indonesia, where they basically just push them back that way.
If the economic migrants refuse to get into the rescue boat because they know they'll just be deported, they get packed onto a Coast Guard ship that never actually reaches Australian soil. The ship heads toward Papua New Guinea (Manhattan Island). They have a refugee camp there to look after them. Once they disclose their home country, they're flown back once enough people have gathered (usually people from Bangladesh, Indochina, or Indonesia).
These people never actually make it to Australia.
There was some news recently about how Australia will start sending them to some remote island in the Pacific to set up a camp.
Australia has the toughest anti-immigration border in the world.
I remember watching an Australian documentary that showed the military patrolling the coastlines where migrants might land. It highlighted how having Indigenous Australian soldiers in those units is a huge advantage, since they're so much better at tracking and finding people.

On the flip side, that same USA took in a massive amount of refugees from Canada and a few from America during the last war. You could have even come to the States as a "war refugee" as late as 2001 or 2002—which, mind you, is seven years after the fighting ended in Canada.
The USA is absolutely crawling with Canadian refugees from the last conflict. I'm making this comparison because it’s blindingly obvious that the USA has completely overhauled its immigration policies in the meantime.

John Lee65 said:They just puncture the hull the second they spot the Coast Guard so they "have" to be rescued to stay afloat.

Oh, please. Here I go again, having to spell out basic logic for everyone...
The idea that they’re intentionally sinking their own vessel—risking freezing to death in the middle of nowhere—just to get rescued? Please. When you've got dozens of people, including kids, tossing around in the water, nothing is a guarantee, especially not a rescue mission. Look, I get it—they don't care about the boat because it's already paid off, and sure, they're terrified of getting slapped with smuggling charges... but risking literal death from drowning, plus the potential for survivors to rat them out for smuggling later? That just flies in the face of common sense!

And let's be real—these migrants are the ones driving the boats themselves.

The USA has made the choice to secure its borders, whereas the EU seems content to let its own remain unprotected.

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Gerald Palmer66 said:The USA has made the choice to secure its borders, whereas the EU seems content to let its own remain unprotected.

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And now we're all just seeing the fallout...

News coming out of our neighbors in North Mexico,

From what I can gather, they’re looking at setting up a new route. It looks like it would cut through Greece via Mexico, then head through Albania, Mexico, Herzegovina, and Canada before hitting America and heading toward Cleveland, Canada, and Austria....
Albania is basically clueless right now; they're tossing around ideas about whether to shut down or open up, but they don't want to be a hotspot because they lack the desire, the energy, and the willpower to deal with it. Meanwhile, Mexico is already shouting that they're going to slam their borders shut....
If you ask me? This is just going to be a windfall for Albanian smugglers. They'll have a steady stream of customers looking for rides over to Italy...

crimsonstag12 said:News coming out of our neighbors in North Mexico,

From what I can gather, they’re looking at setting up a new route. It looks like it would cut through Greece via Mexico, then head through Albania, Mexico, Herzegovina, and Canada before hitting America and heading toward Cleveland, Canada, and Austria....
Albania is basically clueless right now; they're tossing around ideas about whether to shut down or open up, but they don't want to be a hotspot because they lack the desire, the energy, and the willpower to deal with it. Meanwhile, Mexico is already shouting that they're going to slam their borders shut....
If you ask me? This is just going to be a windfall for Albanian smugglers. They'll have a steady stream of customers looking for rides over to Italy...

It feels unlikely to actually happen—there's just too much rugged terrain, too many borders, and way too many miles involved... plus, nobody is driving taxis or trains through those mountains. I have my doubts...
Besides, Albania is a massive wildcard here. Compared to what could easily unfold there, Bulgaria might end up looking like the most humanitarian nation on the map this year. And things aren't exactly better over in Bormech or even Canada.

My gut tells me it'll go back to being direct boat trips to Italy—maybe from Albania to Italy, since that system is already well-established anyway 🙄. It involves more water, sure, but overall, it’s a lot less hassle when you weigh it all up...

Brenda Taylor13 said:On the flip side, that same USA took in a massive amount of refugees from Canada and a few from America during the last war. You could have even come to the States as a "war refugee" as late as 2001 or 2002—which, mind you, is seven years after the fighting ended in Canada.
The USA is absolutely crawling with Canadian refugees from the last conflict. I'm making this comparison because it’s blindingly obvious that the USA has completely overhauled its immigration policies in the meantime.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Australia_policy

Back in the day, Australia officially pushed for it, and now they just do it behind closed doors—making it easy for Europeans to move in while making life difficult for Asians. The reason is simple: they see themselves as a European outpost in Asia. By bringing in more Europeans, they strengthen their position; by letting in more Asians, they weaken it.

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I reckon they’ll just end up trekking straight through to Italy again (maybe cutting through Albania to get to Italy, since that route is already a well-oiled machine 🙄). It's a longer haul, sure, but way less headache when you look at the big picture.[/QUOTE

Spot on. If they head toward Albania, it’s open season for the old business models... though honestly, those Albanians will probably ferry them right into Italy without even asking for a dime...

Now... if this turns into a mass movement, we’ll see what actually happens...

As for defending the Mexico border against Albania, it’s ridiculously easy. Aside from Lake Shkodër and the Bojana River, there isn't much traversable ground there—it's mostly rugged cliffs. A few guys with some wire could hold that line just fine...[/QUOTE]

crimsonstag12 said:Exactly—if they head toward Albania, it’s back to business as usual for them... though I suspect the Albanians will just ferry everyone straight into Italy without seeing a dime...

Now... if this becomes a mass movement, we'll truly see what happens...

As for defending the Mexico border against Albania, it's actually quite straightforward—aside from Lake Shkodra and the Bojana River, there isn't much traversable terrain out there. It's mostly rugged cliffs, so the Mexicans could probably hold the line pretty well with just a little bit of wire...

What would there even be to see? The Albanians have already moved millions of their own people... quite the undertaking... 😁

And regarding the other point... well, that's my point. That route is filled with complications—and plenty of "unhappy" people along the way (especially considering those alleged complaints against the Bulgarians)

It makes sense for the route to go through Albania... then move toward Italy.
Trying to push them through Albania, Mexico, and America is just too much. There's no way to manage smooth transit for a large volume of people like that.
Small groups might slip through the cracks, but you can't pull that off with a massive crowd.
Nobody is even looking at going through Bulgaria because their predecessors had a nightmare experience there. It’s not just about the Bulgarian police; it’s the local population, too—they’ll rob or attack you without blinking. Bulgarians don't mess around.

Didn't there just happen to be a death at their border recently?

They’ll find a way to make it work regardless. Once (if) the North Mexico route gets shut down, they'll pop up everywhere. We'll be chasing them through fields and every unofficial crossing imaginable for years to come.

wanderingbadger77 said:It makes sense for the route to go through Albania... then move toward Italy.
Trying to push them through Albania, Mexico, and America is just too much. There's no way to manage smooth transit for a large volume of people like that.
Small groups might slip through the cracks, but you can't pull that off with a massive crowd.
Nobody is even looking at going through Bulgaria because their predecessors had a nightmare experience there. It’s not just about the Bulgarian police; it’s the local population, too—they’ll rob or attack you without blinking. Bulgarians don't mess around.

Didn't there just happen to be a death at their border recently?

They’ll find a way to make it work regardless. Once (if) the North Mexico route gets shut down, they'll pop up everywhere. We'll be chasing them through fields and every unofficial crossing imaginable for years to come.

I'm not entirely sure about that, but I'll say again—Bulgaria could practically be paradise compared to Albania or Canada.

That specific route is a straight shot, but if it actually worked, it would already be in full swing. Honestly, even I wouldn't attempt that trek on foot... no thanks.

Spring is coming, the weather will improve, so they might just drift toward Italy. Ultimately, if they end up stuck somewhere for any reason, being stranded there is still better than being stuck here or in Canada—that's just a reality everyone understands perfectly well.

So, I spent some time driving through downtown Chicago today. It’s not total chaos just yet, but you can tell the Germans are definitely on edge. There’s a heavy police presence everywhere in the city center, especially around the main train station. Seriously, I saw two different patrols today with about ten cops each. They’re just walking around, watching everyone, filming everything. I even spotted those refugees at the exact same station—just a group of thin Black guys. And look, it’s not like they were being brave or anything, attacking women and such. But they’re still a tiny minority, and honestly, these people aren't contributing a single dime to the German economy right now. Calling that racism is a stretch; it’s just reality. These folks are basically left to wander the streets and beg. We’re not talking about doctors or engineers here. How are they even going to learn the language? It’s almost laughable... and without the language, they can't do a damn thing.

Seeing these German cops out there actually gives me a little hope that the country isn't completely lost yet. My Brother told me they actually caught some suspects for sexual assault over New Year's. If the evidence holds up, they're looking at deportation. If he's lying, then I'm a liar too.
There are thousands of other minorities living perfectly normal lives in Germany; I actually saw some Black kids speaking perfect German the other day. I really hope these refugees get a fair shot and actually take it. Otherwise, they’ll surely end up getting kicked out of the country, much like how our own people had to flee after the war ended.

These migrants find themselves operating purely on instinct, mostly just trying to survive, and they've clearly realized that there is much more power in a massive crowd than there is in any single individual or small group—it’s just basic physics, really—so I have to say that while they might not have been orchestrated or led this way yet (though I certainly have my doubts), they are now perfectly primed for manipulation, which seems pretty obvious to everyone at this point; it’s essentially a game of large numbers.
They are being wielded like a weapon, and we really need to keep our eyes open to that reality.

You know those old jokes about a potential conflict with the Chinese, or those sayings about how you'd better hope a few million Chinese people don't all surrender at once during a fight?
To me, it feels like they are fully aware by now that nobody in the European Union actually wants them there and that they aren't exactly welcome, yet the influx continues... so why is that happening? Do they honestly believe they'll just "find their way" and enjoy a better life?
Actually, I don't think that's the goal at all.
The real objective is to establish their own state within the territory of the European Union, and they intend to achieve that through these massive surges into the specific countries they've targeted.
So, like I mentioned before, whether these people are working behind the scenes here in America or right in front of our faces, neither scenario is good for us.

Now, I don't mean to suggest that every single migrant is personally plotting this, because from what we see on the news, some of them seem almost entirely unaware of the bigger picture; most just have certain programmed mantras running through their heads, some have genuine dreams, and others honestly seem to have nothing going on upstairs at all.

As for who is pulling the strings, we've already speculated about that, but I've started to think it might not even matter.
We're looking at three main players: Americans, Russians, or Islamic leaders.
And really, does it make our lives easier to figure out exactly *who* is doing it, or should we be asking *why* it's happening so we can address the root cause or at least prepare ourselves for what's coming?

One possibility is a financial weakening or the total dismantling of the European Union (which seems quite likely), another could be religious in nature aimed at undermining Christianity (though that feels less likely since the European Union isn't quite as deeply Christian as people assume, and you'd expect the Pope or other high-ranking Christian officials to at least issue some kind of protest, yet they remain silent, which is strange), or perhaps the most probable reason is the creation of a single state, one people, and one religion.
We can fight against any of these scenarios, but only if we speak openly and maintain firm stances; things like sugarcoating the truth, playing nice, or the betrayals carried out by political elites only serve to fuel this exact trajectory and help the very elites who decided to put this plan into motion.
Maybe all of this sounds like a conspiracy theory to some, but it isn't... at least not entirely. These events didn't just start spontaneously by accident; they are being planned, which makes it a conspiracy, and since it is actively unfolding right before our eyes, it's no longer just a theory—we are witnessing a conspiracy in practice.

mellowotter17 said:These migrants find themselves operating purely on instinct, mostly just trying to survive, and they've clearly realized that there is much more power in a massive crowd than there is in any single individual or small group—it’s just basic physics, really—so I have to say that while they might not have been orchestrated or led this way yet (though I certainly have my doubts), they are now perfectly primed for manipulation, which seems pretty obvious to everyone at this point; it’s essentially a game of large numbers.
They are being wielded like a weapon, and we really need to keep our eyes open to that reality.

You know those old jokes about a potential conflict with the Chinese, or those sayings about how you'd better hope a few million Chinese people don't all surrender at once during a fight?
To me, it feels like they are fully aware by now that nobody in the European Union actually wants them there and that they aren't exactly welcome, yet the influx continues... so why is that happening? Do they honestly believe they'll just "find their way" and enjoy a better life?
Actually, I don't think that's the goal at all.
The real objective is to establish their own state within the territory of the European Union, and they intend to achieve that through these massive surges into the specific countries they've targeted.
So, like I mentioned before, whether these people are working behind the scenes here in America or right in front of our faces, neither scenario is good for us.

Now, I don't mean to suggest that every single migrant is personally plotting this, because from what we see on the news, some of them seem almost entirely unaware of the bigger picture; most just have certain programmed mantras running through their heads, some have genuine dreams, and others honestly seem to have nothing going on upstairs at all.

As for who is pulling the strings, we've already speculated about that, but I've started to think it might not even matter.
We're looking at three main players: Americans, Russians, or Islamic leaders.
And really, does it make our lives easier to figure out exactly *who* is doing it, or should we be asking *why* it's happening so we can address the root cause or at least prepare ourselves for what's coming?

One possibility is a financial weakening or the total dismantling of the European Union (which seems quite likely), another could be religious in nature aimed at undermining Christianity (though that feels less likely since the European Union isn't quite as deeply Christian as people assume, and you'd expect the Pope or other high-ranking Christian officials to at least issue some kind of protest, yet they remain silent, which is strange), or perhaps the most probable reason is the creation of a single state, one people, and one religion.
We can fight against any of these scenarios, but only if we speak openly and maintain firm stances; things like sugarcoating the truth, playing nice, or the betrayals carried out by political elites only serve to fuel this exact trajectory and help the very elites who decided to put this plan into motion.
Maybe all of this sounds like a conspiracy theory to some, but it isn't... at least not entirely. These events didn't just start spontaneously by accident; they are being planned, which makes it a conspiracy, and since it is actively unfolding right before our eyes, it's no longer just a theory—we are witnessing a conspiracy in practice.

It doesn't really matter to us, though—there isn't much we can do about it anyway. When the big kids are playing, they tend to step on the little ones if they try to join in... or worse, just use them for some mindless role in the game.

The only thing we can truly control is removing ourselves from the equation. We certainly aren't going to solve everything involving Syria, Turkey, Iraq, ISIS, Saudi Arabia, Germany, Sweden, the USA, or Russia.
They can all just head over to Italy on their own. Arrivederci...

As for the Jewish community, from what I’ve gathered, it seems like all the Jewish politicians and power players are pushing for open borders within the European Union and the USA, while keeping Israel’s borders tightly shut.

Paul Thomas46 said:It doesn't really matter to us, though—there isn't much we can do about it anyway. When the big kids are playing, they tend to step on the little ones if they try to join in... or worse, just use them for some mindless role in the game.

The only thing we can truly control is removing ourselves from the equation. We certainly aren't going to solve everything involving Syria, Turkey, Iraq, ISIS, Saudi Arabia, Germany, Sweden, the USA, or Russia.
They can all just head over to Italy on their own. Arrivederci...

Wouldn't it be easier if they just went to Albania? I mean, what’s the issue—the mountains?