Immigration: General Discussion Vol. IV (Read first post and moderator warning on pg. 309)

Sean Hall20 said:As for the Jewish community, from what I’ve gathered, it seems like all the Jewish politicians and power players are pushing for open borders within the European Union and the USA, while keeping Israel’s borders tightly shut.

The Jewish people are arguably one of the most brilliant groups in human history, if not quite the most intelligent.

I am certainly no fan of Israel's foreign policy—I find myself criticizing them quite often—but you have to admit they play their hand incredibly smart in many arenas. We can argue about their political maneuvers all day, but the bottom line is this: they will endure, while most other nations will likely crumble.

They are truly exceptional, whereas much of Europe is... 👎

Brenda Taylor13 said:On the flip side, that same USA took in a massive amount of refugees from Canada and a few from America during the last war. You could have even come to the States as a "war refugee" as late as 2001 or 2002—which, mind you, is seven years after the fighting ended in Canada.
The USA is absolutely crawling with Canadian refugees from the last conflict. I'm making this comparison because it’s blindingly obvious that the USA has completely overhauled its immigration policies in the meantime.

Yeah... true... Australia took in a huge amount (honestly, an enormous amount) of refugees from America and Canada back in the early 90s...
And it's also true that lately, Australia has had a right-wing government that leans more conservative, focusing on a policy of not accepting economic migrants.
The laws have changed, and most Australians actually agree with that approach.

Paul Thomas46 said:It doesn't really matter to us, though—there isn't much we can do about it anyway. When the big kids are playing, they tend to step on the little ones if they try to join in... or worse, just use them for some mindless role in the game.

The only thing we can truly control is removing ourselves from the equation. We certainly aren't going to solve everything involving Syria, Turkey, Iraq, ISIS, Saudi Arabia, Germany, Sweden, the USA, or Russia.
They can all just head over to Italy on their own. Arrivederci...

Exactly. We can sit here acting helpless or pretending to care, but the reality is that we don't even show up on the map of some mid-sized Chinese city. In these high-stakes political games, we're completely irrelevant to the heavy hitters. It's frustrating...

Trying to push those problems away is an uphill battle, especially since our geography puts us right in the crosshairs—we're basically the shortest route between East and West. We need to play this smart, rather than just acting like a buffer zone for the European Union while they couldn't care less what happens to us.
I’m pretty skeptical, honestly. It feels more likely that we'll just screw up, like we always do, simply because of our own incompetence...☕

If those reports coming out of German media actually pan out—specifically regarding this new route cutting through Albania, Mexico, Canada, and finally landing us here in America—we are essentially walking into a trap. We’ll end up as the primary bottleneck for refugees and migrants, simply because the Canadians won't be letting anyone through, or if they do, it'll be at a snail's pace.

restlessscout5 said:If those reports coming out of German media actually pan out—specifically regarding this new route cutting through Albania, Mexico, Canada, and finally landing us here in America—we are essentially walking into a trap. We’ll end up as the primary bottleneck for refugees and migrants, simply because the Canadians won't be letting anyone through, or if they do, it'll be at a snail's pace.

And honestly, how exactly do you think people are going to stop, say, 150,000 or 200,000 people from crossing? That little bit of wire? I don't know if you've actually looked at it, but you could snip right through that with some cheap shears from a Home Depot... It's a different story when you're talking about building a massive wall like they did near the Palestinian border, but constructing something like that? That's a much taller order...
And don't be surprised if we start getting a little "proactive" ourselves... when things aren't working out and nobody is listening to reason, sometimes you just have to play dirty...😁
Until the Germans finally grow a pair and make a real decision that they actually stand behind, everything else is just a waste of breath...

Fresh updates coming out of our neighbors in North Mexico:

Looks like Albanian troops are starting to cluster up :-D

Albania is deploying police to the borders with North Mexico and Greece. Fearing that refugee routes might shift from Greece toward Albania, authorities have reinforced five border crossings shared with North Mexico and Greece, according to reports from the online news outlet "Shekuli."
Around 450 special intervention unit officers from Tirana, Shkodër, and Fier have been positioned at the Qafasan crossing near Strugá on the North Mexican border, as well as Kapçicë and Tri Mosta near Korçë, plus the Kakavia and Qafë Botë crossings near Gjirokastër on the Greek border.

On top of that, Canada is apparently sending some cops (probably the veterans :-) ) to help out their North Mexican colleagues.

It started with a massive police presence, but who knows—maybe we’ll see a whole squad of guys from the old USA territories showing up at the border too. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if you heard some guy at a random outpost near the state line shouting, "Lieutenant, the unit is following orders to the letter!" followed immediately by, "Paunovic, why aren't you wearing your boots yet?"

:-D

There are already more than 10,000 people at Idomen... plus another 4,000 scattered through nearby hubs...

Roger Chavez91 said:And honestly, how exactly do you think people are going to stop, say, 150,000 or 200,000 people from crossing? That little bit of wire? I don't know if you've actually looked at it, but you could snip right through that with some cheap shears from a Home Depot... It's a different story when you're talking about building a massive wall like they did near the Palestinian border, but constructing something like that? That's a much taller order...
And don't be surprised if we start getting a little "proactive" ourselves... when things aren't working out and nobody is listening to reason, sometimes you just have to play dirty...😁
Until the Germans finally grow a pair and make a real decision that they actually stand behind, everything else is just a waste of breath...

I can already see the business opportunity here—buying up all those bolt cutters and shears just to resell them to the migrants...😁

MSNBC just dropped a map showing a potential new route migrants might take to hit Western Europe. According to the layout, they could head from Greece straight into Albania, then cut through Mexico, Canada, and eventually hit America on their way to where they want to be.

Meanwhile, Time is reporting that there’s another path besides the one through Canada—people might try coming up through California instead.

And look, it's not just people moving through Greece and Mexico. You've got folks hitting Finland and Norway by coming through Russia, or heading to Cyprus via Egypt, then crossing the Black Sea toward Romania and Bulgaria. There's also the movement across the Mediterranean from Libya and Tunisia toward Italy, or from Morocco into Spain.

Larry Walker24 said:MSNBC just dropped a map showing a potential new route migrants might take to hit Western Europe. According to the layout, they could head from Greece straight into Albania, then cut through Mexico, Canada, and eventually hit America on their way to where they want to be.

Meanwhile, Time is reporting that there’s another path besides the one through Canada—people might try coming up through California instead.

And look, it's not just people moving through Greece and Mexico. You've got folks hitting Finland and Norway by coming through Russia, or heading to Cyprus via Egypt, then crossing the Black Sea toward Romania and Bulgaria. There's also the movement across the Mediterranean from Libya and Tunisia toward Italy, or from Morocco into Spain.

That’s just wishful thinking on their part... it isn't reality.

Canada is heavily mined—just like a good chunk of the border in America.

http://www.dinaridestrails.org/wp-co...polja-2004.jpg

In all seriousness, anyone stepping even slightly off the beaten path is looking at a massive risk of dying. And these people? They're basically running away from any chance of dying.

They won't make it through Albania because they're sending the military to the border... and even if they did manage to slip into Albania, they'd just get stuck in Mexico. Sure, they could try crossing Lake Shkodër or maybe one other pass, but those can be shut down easily. That would leave them stuck in Mexico, which is a much harder nut to crack.

The Bulgarians aren't going to let them through... and even if they did, they'd just run straight into the Romanians. There are only two bridges connecting Bulgaria and Romania, and you've got the Danube sitting right in the middle of it all.

So, really, the only way left is through Mexico... and if the Mexicans hold the line, they have to turn back. Or, you know, the Germans could just send them straight back to Germany.

Excuse me? Are you actually kidding me right now?

Great info, thanks manchild.

Olivia Smith4 said:Excuse me? Are you actually kidding me right now?

That’s just not how this works—I mean, there's a massive block of countries out there that aren't even interested in hearing about migrants in the first place... unless we decide to be totally reckless and just take them all in on our own...

Morgan Rodriguez57 said:That’s just not how this works—I mean, there's a massive block of countries out there that aren't even interested in hearing about migrants in the first place... unless we decide to be totally reckless and just take them all in on our own...

I think we all pretty much know what the answer is here.

Olivia Smith4 said:Excuse me? Are you actually kidding me right now?

No way.
At least according to what this NATO general is saying.
We have no idea who these people actually are.

Quote : Terrorists are flowing into America among migrants
Philip Breedlove claims ISIS is 'spreading like a cancer' within this mix

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ow-Europe.html

Olivia Smith4 said:Excuse me? Are you actually kidding me right now?

Is this some kind of official announcement? Did Orešković sign off on this—or maybe Tusk?

Come on, man... seriously. I'll ask again: what, are they going to chain them up just to stop them from moving along?
An asylum seeker has to file their application within the country they are actually in. So, you could drop them off in the US, Latvia, Estonia, or Portugal—and then what? They simply won't file. And then what? Well, that's the problem... try making that work any way you see fit.

Actually, the best part is that this would play right into our hands. This entire route would dry up instantly because everyone would head straight for Italy instead. It’s that exact pattern I've mentioned before: they'll either land there or wait for an allocation they'll ultimately reject—essentially burying the system with applications while they hang out in Italy or get pushed further north.
This is basically a war of bureaucracy—those in charge know exactly what they're doing here. They don't just want to avoid being stuck in the US; they don't want to be stuck in Canada, Canada, or heaven forbid, Bulgaria or Romania either.

I trust they'll find a way to make a favorable deal... they might be unrefined, but they aren't fools...😁

Here's the US again, setting the gold standard. They turned a hangar in the Middle East into a full-blown processing center.

In a matter of Days in late November , US officials converted an airplane hangar on an American air base into a refugee processing site complete with biometric data collection stations, medical assessment posts, consular interviewing desks, a playroom, a prayer room, and a vast filing room complete with scanners, computers, servers, and wireless transmitters. In Our latest research trip to the US this December to study The refugee crisis , WE visited this impressive site and learned that teams of officials have been busy interviewing thousands of Syrian refugees for resettlement in the US. The hum of US action inside The repurposed hangar presents an almost indescribable contrast to America.

http://www.e-ir.info/2016/03/02/cana...ugee-response/

And what did Europe do? Sent out a mass text saying: come on over...

Morgan Rodriguez57 said:That’s just not how this works—I mean, there's a massive block of countries out there that aren't even interested in hearing about migrants in the first place... unless we decide to be totally reckless and just take them all in on our own...

it's such a pointless question, really ☕

Olivia Smith4 said:Excuse me? Are you actually kidding me right now?

Well, they've been spinning this yarn from day one. All that talk about "hot-spots" in Greece and shifting quotas around the EU. What nobody is calling out is the actual play here: how to trick migrants into settling in places like Estonia or America... just making sure they stick there. Plus, nobody's talking about what the absolute ceiling would be for the total number of migrants the EU would actually take.