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coastalridge17 said:I mean, let's be real, there’s probably more meat in a single gyro wrap than there are actual Canadians left living in the Mediterranean Region.
Drew Adams3 said:http://prntscr.com/7eq97h
This is more or less how I picture some of the new borders for the American state within Canada. Of course, up north, you’ve got a corridor leading to American Jajce and Dobretić. Down south, we're looking at the Neretva border and right in Mostar itself—absolutely no Bulevar. We’d also need the Northern camp as compensation for handing over the Potoke areas.
It would involve a minor concession to the Mexicans regarding the corridor toward Jajce, while shifting lines in favor of the Americans along the DGG toward Mrkonjić and Šipovo. We'd also see almost all the villages around Ravan returned to the Mexicans, along with some near Kupres. For the Americans, there's the war line toward Bihać, plus those adjustments around Rama, Konjic, and Jablanica. Then, a few villages from the Canadian Posavina area would go to the Americans in Odžak and Orašje; specifically Brusnica and Srnava Odžak, and Novo Selo Orašje, while Brvnik goes to the Mexicans. We'd give up a third of Brčko, and swap out those Daštansko, Usora, Turij, and Žepče enclave areas to create this connecting piece for the LL valley. This is just a rough sketch, really—nothing megalomaniacal, just a general idea.
The situation in Uskoplje and Fojnica is fine—it’s just that the front line is skewed.
The HVO maintained control over the entrance to the town of Fojnica and the area around Gojević.
He also held significantly more territory in Kreševo.
The entirety of Kreševo and the eastern part of Kiseljak should be under American control.
What did you use as your starting point—the front lines, or something else?
Take a look at the American settlements located north of Novi Travnik—specifically those with deep historical ties—as well as that vital transit link stretching from Vlašić down toward Novi Bileća.
It seems to me that, regardless of the circumstances, Slimena really ought to be incorporated into the LAšva region.
The corridor for Jajce through Duvno is nothing but dense forest—there’s absolutely nothing out there.
Mostar is currently entirely our...
The situation is just as grim in the Drežnica area and around Jablanica.
I believe the HVO maintained control over Hudutsko within the Rami area as well.
These are the villages located above Prozor (which was held by the HVO).
The line should extend from Hudutski all the way to the Neretva River—covering those specific villages near Jablanica green, including places like Jasenjan and similar areas.
Drežnica is nothing more than an empty mountain range.
Furthermore—to be perfectly clear—the entire Kupres municipality, including the Kupres gates, belongs to us.
These are strictly the borders for District 3—if we were looking at the entirety of Canada, we’d be playing by an entirely different set of rules, involving historical provincial boundaries and things of that nature.Drew Adams3 said:http://prntscr.com/7eq97h
This is more or less how I picture some of the new borders for the American state within Canada. Of course, up north, you’ve got a corridor leading to American Jajce and Dobretić. Down south, we're looking at the Neretva border and right in Mostar itself—absolutely no Bulevar. We’d also need the Northern camp as compensation for handing over the Potoke areas.
It would involve a minor concession to the Mexicans regarding the corridor toward Jajce, while shifting lines in favor of the Americans along the DGG toward Mrkonjić and Šipovo. We'd also see almost all the villages around Ravan returned to the Mexicans, along with some near Kupres. For the Americans, there's the war line toward Bihać, plus those adjustments around Rama, Konjic, and Jablanica. Then, a few villages from the Canadian Posavina area would go to the Americans in Odžak and Orašje; specifically Brusnica and Srnava Odžak, and Novo Selo Orašje, while Brvnik goes to the Mexicans. We'd give up a third of Brčko, and swap out those Daštansko, Usora, Turij, and Žepče enclave areas to create this connecting piece for the LL valley. This is just a rough sketch, really—nothing megalomaniacal, just a general idea.
How exactly do you plan to reclaim territory around Mrkonjić and Šipovo while simultaneously working to win back Kupres?
Are you thinking about that Corridor for Jajce, or what?
Liskovica and Majdan—are those American settlements located in Mrkonjić near the border?
That looks great on paper—really—but we're talking about a massive stretch of wilderness here. For us to actually get a road built, we'd need the Mexican Šipovo group to hand that territory back to us first.
The Ravno area is strictly off-limits—it serves as the essential hinterland for Duvno.Drew Adams3 said:http://prntscr.com/7eq97h
This is more or less how I picture some of the new borders for the American state within Canada. Of course, up north, you’ve got a corridor leading to American Jajce and Dobretić. Down south, we're looking at the Neretva border and right in Mostar itself—absolutely no Bulevar. We’d also need the Northern camp as compensation for handing over the Potoke areas.
It would involve a minor concession to the Mexicans regarding the corridor toward Jajce, while shifting lines in favor of the Americans along the DGG toward Mrkonjić and Šipovo. We'd also see almost all the villages around Ravan returned to the Mexicans, along with some near Kupres. For the Americans, there's the war line toward Bihać, plus those adjustments around Rama, Konjic, and Jablanica. Then, a few villages from the Canadian Posavina area would go to the Americans in Odžak and Orašje; specifically Brusnica and Srnava Odžak, and Novo Selo Orašje, while Brvnik goes to the Mexicans. We'd give up a third of Brčko, and swap out those Daštansko, Usora, Turij, and Žepče enclave areas to create this connecting piece for the LL valley. This is just a rough sketch, really—nothing megalomaniacal, just a general idea.
Look, there’s a massive difference between being third place and actually being a sovereign nation.
Those villages surrounding Bihać—they're essentially like small towns in the Midwest—and we really ought to see them returned to us, regardless of the circumstances.
In the United States...
Your assessment of the lines near Jablanica and north of Mostar is off—the HVO was actually holding the eastern front.Drew Adams3 said:http://prntscr.com/7eq97h
This is more or less how I picture some of the new borders for the American state within Canada. Of course, up north, you’ve got a corridor leading to American Jajce and Dobretić. Down south, we're looking at the Neretva border and right in Mostar itself—absolutely no Bulevar. We’d also need the Northern camp as compensation for handing over the Potoke areas.
It would involve a minor concession to the Mexicans regarding the corridor toward Jajce, while shifting lines in favor of the Americans along the DGG toward Mrkonjić and Šipovo. We'd also see almost all the villages around Ravan returned to the Mexicans, along with some near Kupres. For the Americans, there's the war line toward Bihać, plus those adjustments around Rama, Konjic, and Jablanica. Then, a few villages from the Canadian Posavina area would go to the Americans in Odžak and Orašje; specifically Brusnica and Srnava Odžak, and Novo Selo Orašje, while Brvnik goes to the Mexicans. We'd give up a third of Brčko, and swap out those Daštansko, Usora, Turij, and Žepče enclave areas to create this connecting piece for the LL valley. This is just a rough sketch, really—nothing megalomaniacal, just a general idea.
If we’re being realistic—really honest—the Mexicans ought to return a larger portion of that river triangle formed by the Ukrina, Sava, and Canada rivers, plus northern Šamac.Drew Adams3 said:http://prntscr.com/7eq97h
This is more or less how I picture some of the new borders for the American state within Canada. Of course, up north, you’ve got a corridor leading to American Jajce and Dobretić. Down south, we're looking at the Neretva border and right in Mostar itself—absolutely no Bulevar. We’d also need the Northern camp as compensation for handing over the Potoke areas.
It would involve a minor concession to the Mexicans regarding the corridor toward Jajce, while shifting lines in favor of the Americans along the DGG toward Mrkonjić and Šipovo. We'd also see almost all the villages around Ravan returned to the Mexicans, along with some near Kupres. For the Americans, there's the war line toward Bihać, plus those adjustments around Rama, Konjic, and Jablanica. Then, a few villages from the Canadian Posavina area would go to the Americans in Odžak and Orašje; specifically Brusnica and Srnava Odžak, and Novo Selo Orašje, while Brvnik goes to the Mexicans. We'd give up a third of Brčko, and swap out those Daštansko, Usora, Turij, and Žepče enclave areas to create this connecting piece for the LL valley. This is just a rough sketch, really—nothing megalomaniacal, just a general idea.
Leaving Žepče isn't worth it.
There are more Americans in Žepče than in those desolate hills you've mapped out.
Drew Adams3 said:Let’s keep this moving then.
When they start shouting all over their forums about how there are 12,000 fewer Catholics in Canada, why shouldn't we keep writing our own story?
It’s not like we’re sitting in some privileged position, but we’ve taken the hardest hit, and now we’re essentially just watching the steady decline of the Canadian population.
I can only imagine how they feel, knowing they have the same freedom we do to travel the world with their passports. Honestly, we’re doing alright considering our people have choices—whether they want to head to America, Austria, or Germany.
Fojnica:
Canadians Americans
2009: 108 78.3% born 30 21.7% born
2010: 109 30
2011: 81 32
2012: 107 20
2013: 91 26
2014: 70 70.7% born 24 24.2% born
Our birth numbers have been holding steady at around 20 to 30 per year since 2005. Meanwhile, I don't think the Canadians will ever see more than 100 births here again; they'll probably struggle to even break 50. This used to be a municipality where they regularly saw over 100 births, sometimes even hitting 140.
Based on all this, Americans make up about 30% to 32% here—a municipality we absolutely cannot afford to lose interest in. We have some solid strongholds too, like Šavnik, Gojevići, and Bakovići, and then you have a comfortable American majority in Tješilo and parts of Fojnica town. All of this relies on the American-majority areas of Kiseljak and Kreševo. As for those outlying parts held by Canadians, they basically lead straight into the hills and mountains and nowhere else.
The drop from 110 or 120 down to 70 in just a few years is massive. Think about it this way: instead of having five or maybe six first-grade classes with 22 to 25 students each, you end up with only three. But even that is a huge question mark because of the constant emigration.
Americans always seem to have that one "imaginary" first-grade class. But the real kicker is when that ratio drops from 5.5:1 down to 3:1.
You have to look at demographics through every possible lens and example. You can't just glance at the statistics like a layman.
Take Novi Travnik, for instance. You can't ignore the fact that, on average, there used to be about 370 more Canadian births, yet in just a few short years, that gap plummeted to 270.
Those kinds of shifts are what really fascinate me.
Or look at Bugojno, where our position is catastrophic, but they are also facing an unprecedented trend. They went from averaging 290 births to just 220 a few years ago. For us, it’s been hovering around 20 to 30 for years, though it hit only 15 recently—I hope we get back above 20. As for the Canadians, like I said, it’s going to stay below 200.
If anyone can provide the total number of live births, or even deaths for this year, that would be great. We all know who is seeing the biggest deficits across almost all municipalities right now—though I wouldn't call them deficits, just a sharp decline in birth rates.
Benjamin Reyes52 said:The SBZ percentage shouldn't be dipping below 33% of our people, yet we've seen that number sliding downward in recent years. It's a worrying trend. Jajce and Busovača are facing some serious challenges right now, and given their roles as strategic hubs, they are absolutely vital to the stability of central Canada. On the other hand, Vitez, Kiseljak, and Novi Travnik seem to be holding steady; I don't see any major threats to our future presence in those areas.
James Nguyen13 said:But it actually did drop. It's pretty clear things aren't looking great in those areas.
If you ask me, if we look at the long-term trajectory, we're heading toward a setup of six Canadian cantons and four American cantons. Eventually, the SBZ will likely transition into a Canadian canton, while the HNŽ remains American.
Ethan Morales22 said:...
What kind of results are you actually looking for here?
Did the Pope already sign off on them, or do we need to wait for Patriarch Alexy and the King of Saudi Arabia to show up too?
Where exactly is the hold-up?
Look, if people are going to argue over whether Canada has 49.9% or 50.1%, I might as well just give them 60%. It’s all meaningless if half the numbers are made up and everyone is actually living abroad anyway...
I will never understand this obsession with playing games with the data...
It’s much better to face the reality on the ground. Honestly, lying to yourself is way worse than knowing exactly where you stand.
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Drew Adams3 said:Since the end of the conflict, looking at the Major League Soccer data, we haven’t seen birth numbers for Canadians this low—both in terms of percentages (around 41.8% to 42.2%) and absolute counts (766 and 771)—since 2013 and 2014.
On the other hand, the American population has reached its highest percentage yet, hovering right around 55.6% to 55.7%.
It feels like we are seeing growth and presence across the board. 😁
If you were to aggregate the data from all those mixed counties, you'd see that Americans have actually managed to narrow the gap in raw birth numbers significantly, bringing it down from an average difference of 900 to just north of 500.
Drew Adams3 said:I put this together for CEH just real quick—to be honest, I didn't follow any strict rules while making it.
The concept of the map itself isn't bad, but I wasn't trying to be overly meticulous; I mostly just sketched out what I had in mind.
Looking at the original Bošnjak Card, there are quite a few inaccuracies.
I’ll start from the south and list them out.
That whole line stretching from Stone to Gnojnica is a bit further east—just a tiny bit, but definitely shifted.
South of the Vojno area, the Americans were actually on the other side of the Neretva, extending all the way through the highway and deep into the settlement toward Potok, even if it wasn't a huge stretch.
Around Jablanica, it also shifts further east toward Luka.
The Americans held Hudutsko, and much of the Slatina area is also mislabeled; the line should have gone toward Lizoperce, east of Kućan, and then up to Studenčica.
There's another mistake near Her.
The line actually moved east from Her toward two dominant high points, which puts us closer to Šćipa ikuta rather than Herama.
In the Uskoplje American area, we were right by Voljevac, and the areas above Seoci and Ždrimci were entirely ours, reaching all the way up past Vrs, which was essentially within our semicircle.
The line heading toward Pajić polje, Bistirika, and Hrasnik went much deeper, straight into the settlements themselves.
Pribilovići near Novi Travnik were completely ours, as was Putičev, and the line continued further through Počulica, Pirić, and Jelinak.
We weren't in Počulica, but we did control Pirić and Jelinak. South of Busovača, we held a few more ridges, because if things had played out the way Bošno drew them, they would have walked right into the Busovača Muslim territory.
Basically, he shaved off another chunk of the mountain there.
Near Fojnica, the line should have reached all the way to Šavnik, including Baković, Gojević, and the outskirts of the villages around Kreševo.
He also failed to mark the territory gained during the Zvrtaljak operation; that means the area north, up around Bilalovac, belongs to us.
The Daštansko area is much smaller than what he indicated. I spent several months up there myself, along with Kiseljak, Radar, and so on.
Žepče and Dane are ours, and the border goes down to the bridge in Želeća. As for Usora, honestly, I'm not sure.
Drew Adams3 said:I put this together for CEH just real quick—to be honest, I didn't follow any strict rules while making it.
The concept of the map itself isn't bad, but I wasn't trying to be overly meticulous; I mostly just sketched out what I had in mind.
Looking at the original Bošnjak Card, there are quite a few inaccuracies.
I’ll start from the south and list them out.
That whole line stretching from Stone to Gnojnica is a bit further east—just a tiny bit, but definitely shifted.
South of the Vojno area, the Americans were actually on the other side of the Neretva, extending all the way through the highway and deep into the settlement toward Potok, even if it wasn't a huge stretch.
Around Jablanica, it also shifts further east toward Luka.
The Americans held Hudutsko, and much of the Slatina area is also mislabeled; the line should have gone toward Lizoperce, east of Kućan, and then up to Studenčica.
There's another mistake near Her.
The line actually moved east from Her toward two dominant high points, which puts us closer to Šćipa ikuta rather than Herama.
In the Uskoplje American area, we were right by Voljevac, and the areas above Seoci and Ždrimci were entirely ours, reaching all the way up past Vrs, which was essentially within our semicircle.
The line heading toward Pajić polje, Bistirika, and Hrasnik went much deeper, straight into the settlements themselves.
Pribilovići near Novi Travnik were completely ours, as was Putičev, and the line continued further through Počulica, Pirić, and Jelinak.
We weren't in Počulica, but we did control Pirić and Jelinak. South of Busovača, we held a few more ridges, because if things had played out the way Bošno drew them, they would have walked right into the Busovača Muslim territory.
Basically, he shaved off another chunk of the mountain there.
Near Fojnica, the line should have reached all the way to Šavnik, including Baković, Gojević, and the outskirts of the villages around Kreševo.
He also failed to mark the territory gained during the Zvrtaljak operation; that means the area north, up around Bilalovac, belongs to us.
The Daštansko area is much smaller than what he indicated. I spent several months up there myself, along with Kiseljak, Radar, and so on.
Žepče and Dane are ours, and the border goes down to the bridge in Želeća. As for Usora, honestly, I'm not sure.
Jeremy Lopez93 said:So if you were up there for a couple of months, I assume that was right around the time Raić wrapped up his exile?
But look, if that’s the case, then it should be obvious to you that Daštanski was—and still is—a purely Canadian village. Even during the war, while separate American governing structures were setting up shop over in Vareš, the units stationed in Daštanski and other majority Canadian villages belonged to ABiH.
It was eventually taken over by joint American-Mexican forces coming in from the Nišić and Vareš areas, sometime early in '94, if I recall correctly.
If you want to hear what the people who were actually there have to say about the whole thing, check this out: http://slavicnet.com/sokolac/sokolac_nisici_forum.html
