Did you vote for joining the UN? (Poll)

gentlebison72 said:Ajde, why don't you explain exactly how the European Banking Union is going to fix that specific issue? 😁 😁 And why on earth would they care about fixing it in the first place?

With this disastrous decision, we’ve effectively surrendered our voting rights. We've downgraded our Congressional elections to the level of picking a local neighborhood council. We’ve stepped into an institution run purely by the interests of big capital, banks, and massive corporations—the same entities that have already gutted several countries within the European Union, including our own economy. That "golden toilet" you mentioned is a joke compared to the fire sale of our banks, telecom companies, and other prime assets being handed over to the masters of the European Union at a fraction of their actual value, likely with plenty of grease applied under the table. And then, our "brilliant" leaders, out of pure gratitude, vote to pay a yearly tribute of 600 million euros. They're basically signing up to fund those very same banks by paying off debts that were created using the exact same shady tactics. On top of that, those same leaders gave away the power to regulate our laws, tax policy, and economic "growth" on our own soil—a move that has already proven painful for both ourselves and others. This is just the tip of the iceberg; we've walked straight into a black hole.

After dealing with this brainwashing, the censorship, and the very likely possibility that everything is rigged, I'm done. I'm officially stepping away from participating in any elections here.

You see how this goes when a bank is locally owned—we saw it recently with Citibank and even back with Wells Fargo. These places operate like family rackets, where local power players and organized crime shake hands to treat deposits like a personal piggy bank... It’s not even real banking; it's just a way to launder money and dodge the law...

The current ones, the ones with foreign ownership, lean a bit green, but at least they’re stable and actually run like a business...

So, I'm curious—how many actual decisions have you been part of? How many legislative committees have you sat on? How many amendments have you actually drafted or opinions written... Can someone finally point out exactly when, where, and how "the people" get a say in this? The chance for an average person to debate a decision within the European Union isn't any higher or lower than it is back home in the USA. It’s always the political elites calling the shots, whether we're talking about national policy or things happening in Brussels. I just don't get this whole "loss of sovereignty" argument...

Can someone break this down for me? Just so I can explain back to him how he’s basically chasing a ghost...

Jesse Sullivan2 said:honestly, it's just 👍
instead of actual wars, everything just gets settled through endless red tape and legal loopholes.

I mean, honestly, why bother with actual warfare when they can just bury us in debt? It’s all perfectly legal. The cost of capital has completely outpaced the value of labor, which basically means we’re all just becoming slaves to the wealthy. Of course, they throw us a few crumbs here and there—it makes them feel good to play the savior.

Honestly, if you had asked me back in the day, I probably would have voted to stay part of the old America, but looking at things now, I’d choose the European Union. It’s just different. Back then, there was actual respect for hard work and getting things done. Nowadays? It feels like the only people getting ahead are the middle managers, the resellers, the bankers, and the smooth-talking salesmen peddling nothing but smoke and mirrors.

Linda Roberts2 said:Honestly, if you had asked me back in the day, I probably would have voted to stay part of the old America, but looking at things now, I’d choose the European Union. It’s just different. Back then, there was actual respect for hard work and getting things done. Nowadays? It feels like the only people getting ahead are the middle managers, the resellers, the bankers, and the smooth-talking salesmen peddling nothing but smoke and mirrors.

"Hard work" was just a social category back then. You had factories churning out junk with a 300% bloated workforce, where people worked half as much as an average worker in Germany during the same shift.

Aside from that, being part of America meant America stopped being an independent nation. With the European Union, they only take a slice of our sovereignty. Most importantly, nobody is going to come after us if we decide we want out.

rowdyowl said:"Hard work" was just a social category back then. You had factories churning out junk with a 300% bloated workforce, where people worked half as much as an average worker in Germany during the same shift.

Aside from that, being part of America meant America stopped being an independent nation. With the European Union, they only take a slice of our sovereignty. Most importantly, nobody is going to come after us if we decide we want out.

You see this same thing in capitalism, too. Take Iceland, for example—they have factories there that hire way more people than they actually need just to make sure everyone has a job. It’s all about keeping employment numbers up. And honestly, what happened back in America? Because they couldn't just sit down and reach a peaceful agreement, everyone ended up taking a massive hit. It was a mess that caused damage to everyone involved.

Let’s be honest, we’ve never actually lived in a real democracy; that’s a luxury reserved for wealthy nations that can actually afford the overhead. Historically, it’s always been some version of a President, a King, a Prince, or a dictator. This whole European Union setup feels like one massive, dangerous experiment. All we can do now is sit back and watch as country after country goes broke. Greece was already on the brink, and now we're just waiting for Italy, Portugal, and the rest to follow suit before we eventually end up at the front of the line ourselves. With billions in new debt being piled up every single year, I don't think we'll have to wait much longer.

They love calling the USA the "greatest democracy" on the planet, acting all high and mighty with their two-party system 🤣
but honestly, where's the actual democracy in that? 😁
I mean, I don't even really view the States as a sovereign country; they were just another British colony back in the day, and let's be real, they're still basically being run by the British lobby through groups like the Council on Foreign Relations: http://www.cfr.org/
I guess it’s just... expected, right? That the biggest capitalists out there get to pull all the strings in politics 🤔 🤣

The fight for an independent America has never been over, and it certainly isn't over now. To me, it feels like modern-day America is even more of a puppet than the Independent State of America ever was. There is no surrender.

Damn it, are our leaders seriously pushing European prices while completely ignoring European wages? It’s like they forgot about salaries entirely, unless they're just talking about their own pockets.
They build more shopping malls, but why not invest in actual manufacturing? Give us somewhere to actually earn a living instead of drowning us in enough red tape to drive every local factory straight into Canada, the Czech Republic, or Poland...
What good is a shopping mall anyway? I don't need a place just to wander around staring at flashy storefronts.

Do we even have a functioning state? Sure, we exist, but if you couldn't eat the country, there wouldn't be anything left of it...

The whole referendum thing was rigged from the jump. You don't need a PhD to see through that bullshit.
From everyone I've talked to, about 90% were against it and actually planned on showing up to vote.

This poll just proves I wasn't tripping... the whole thing is nothing but a massive joke, just another way for those traitors sitting on the throne to screw over the people.

If you actually look at those 169 votes, you’ll see the real picture

Some genius decided to use their own "special" math to claim it’s 28.8% IN FAVOR,
but if we’re using that exact same logic, how much is actually AGAINST? Is it 9.6%?

It's funny how people just toss math around whenever it suits their little narrative.

I cast my vote in favor.

Jesse Sullivan2 said:They love calling the USA the "greatest democracy" on the planet, acting all high and mighty with their two-party system 🤣
but honestly, where's the actual democracy in that? 😁
I mean, I don't even really view the States as a sovereign country; they were just another British colony back in the day, and let's be real, they're still basically being run by the British lobby through groups like the Council on Foreign Relations: http://www.cfr.org/
I guess it’s just... expected, right? That the biggest capitalists out there get to pull all the strings in politics 🤔 🤣

There are about ten different parties out there—five serious ones, plus two that actually hold seats in Congress.🤷
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politic..._Third_Parties

rowdyowl said:There are about ten different parties out there—five serious ones, plus two that actually hold seats in Congress.🤷
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politic..._Third_Parties

Honestly, bringing up those minor parties is a waste of breath. It's obvious they don't have any actual leverage.

You can see how everything just boils down to two parties that are practically clones of each other. It's a farce, not a democracy.
And this is exactly the kind of model they work so hard to push onto the European Union and, by extension, here at home.

We’ve certainly proven ourselves to be the most eager adopters of Western garbage—those so-called center-left and center-right parties that end up running the entire political show.

You can't reduce democracy down to just personal freedoms—you know, the right to say whatever you want or wave whatever symbols you like, provided you stay on the street and hold zero actual power. That isn't democracy; that's just a subset of it.

A real democracy requires at least three or four major parties with significantly different platforms and areas of influence.

So, what's really the difference between elections back in America, where the Communist Party would just swap out various candidates you could vote for, and today, when "democracies" just cycle through different faces within two nearly identical parties (like the Republicans and Democrats in the USA, or the Republican Party and Democratic Party here)?🤷

Arthur Fowler83 said:Honestly, bringing up those minor parties is a waste of breath. It's obvious they don't have any actual leverage.

You can see how everything just boils down to two parties that are practically clones of each other. It's a farce, not a democracy.
And this is exactly the kind of model they work so hard to push onto the European Union and, by extension, here at home.

We’ve certainly proven ourselves to be the most eager adopters of Western garbage—those so-called center-left and center-right parties that end up running the entire political show.

You can't reduce democracy down to just personal freedoms—you know, the right to say whatever you want or wave whatever symbols you like, provided you stay on the street and hold zero actual power. That isn't democracy; that's just a subset of it.

A real democracy requires at least three or four major parties with significantly different platforms and areas of influence.

So, what's really the difference between elections back in America, where the Communist Party would just swap out various candidates you could vote for, and today, when "democracies" just cycle through different faces within two nearly identical parties (like the Republicans and Democrats in the USA, or the Republican Party and Democratic Party here)?🤷

The difference is simple: the KP served the people, elevating proven candidates who actually possessed a sense of justice, unity, and adherence to their stated principles. Western multi-party systems, on the other hand, exist solely to serve special interest groups and big capital.

Melissa Peterson19 said:The difference is simple: the KP served the people, elevating proven candidates who actually possessed a sense of justice, unity, and adherence to their stated principles. Western multi-party systems, on the other hand, exist solely to serve special interest groups and big capital.

Pure darkness. Forgive my bluntness, but if it isn't too much of an imposition, how old are you exactly?
What a total fantasy.

Melissa Peterson19 said:The difference is simple: the KP served the people, elevating proven candidates who actually possessed a sense of justice, unity, and adherence to their stated principles. Western multi-party systems, on the other hand, exist solely to serve special interest groups and big capital.

I guess there’s some truth to that. Back then, if you had any history of breaking the law, you weren't getting into the party, let alone landing a high-level position. Believe it or not, my uncle actually struggled to get a director role because his brother was a troublemaker. So, yeah, you could say their selection process was probably a lot more rigorous than what we see today.

slyorca11 said:Given the mismatch between the referendum results and what the previous poll showed whether to join the EU - final poll, I’m curious about how many actual euroskeptics actually turned up to vote.

I'm starting a new poll here. Primarily, I want to hear from those 550 people who took the last one, though everyone else is more than welcome to join in.

But you can't measure it that way; you need a truly representative sample.

I went out and voted yes, though honestly, I was expecting way more people to push back against it.
The whole referendum campaign was just pathetic, to put it mildly.
I mean, let's be real, it was a total mess on both sides.

Melissa Peterson19 said:I voted YES. And I will do it a million times over until every last trace of Harmon's influence is wiped out. YES because the people have been pushed to the brink. YES because this isn't a functioning state; it's chaos. There is no justice, no honesty, no honor, and no morality here. Even the clergy are poisoned by hatred, workers aren't getting paid, the Prime Minister was looting the country, and now the largest party in the nation is under investigation for the exact same thing! YES because I believe in a global worker's revolution, and Americans must play their part in it! We were the historical leaders of communist and anti-fascist ideals in the North America, and we will lead again!

The massive voter turnout failure shows a population that is apathetic, disinterested, and disillusioned. Disillusioned by what? Their own country. The grand expectations of the nineties completely crashed, and they clearly aren't coming. Especially not now in the USA, and certainly not through "patriotism," but perhaps only through grueling labor and sacrifice. The first wave of disappointment hit with Harmon's death. He made promises, died, and left nothing behind but empty symbolism at an enormous cost. The reaction was desperation. A coalition was chosen. The Republican revival centered around the San Francisco Waterfront ended in catastrophe, leading to Sanders's imprisonment and electoral defeat. It is now obvious the people have been played. They hold the flag, the crest, and the anthem, while their future is a trash bin. The nineties dream of freedom and prosperity has shattered. The corrupt and the privileged are the only ones winning. All hope seems lost—so what is there even to vote for?

Shut up, you skeptics. You likely come from the ranks of the privileged or those who refuse to face the bitter reality: nationalist rhetoric is spent fuel and is unwelcome in the USA. Then there are the leftist revolutionaries, who sense that in the USA as it stands today, they are losing ground.

The supposed champion of the working class just voted to hand everything over to the neoliberal capitalist empire...

As they say in the States—good grief!