Did you vote for joining the UN? (Poll)

And then you have all those highly skilled professionals who were basically forced to pack up and leave this version of America just to avoid starving, despite having spent years grinding at a university to earn their expertise 🙂

Timothy Evans2 said:I cast my vote in favor.

Just another leftist supporter of the European Union... 🤦

Melissa Peterson19 said:The difference is simple: the KP served the people, elevating proven candidates who actually possessed a sense of justice, unity, and adherence to their stated principles. Western multi-party systems, on the other hand, exist solely to serve special interest groups and big capital.

Is that why you voted for the European Union? 🙄

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driftingheron23 said:Pure darkness. Forgive my bluntness, but if it isn't too much of an imposition, how old are you exactly?
What a total fantasy.

Fifty-nine colleagues and my brother are in total agreement. I am an eyewitness to everything I am stating.

Rebecca Roberts3 As stated by:
A champion of workers' rights just cast his vote in favor of enslaving himself to the neoliberal capitalist empire.

What would a Mexican say? Good grief.

This fighter senses the inevitable shifts already underway within the European Union. There is only one direction they can head: straight toward socialism. If they don't, revolution—with all its inherent chaos—is the only alternative. Where did the upheaval of 1789 take place? We need to be right there in the thick of it to ensure we don't repeat the failures of 1848. We could also be facing a massive scientific breakthrough or a technological revolution that reshapes the entire world. If that happens, we must be playing in the inner circle, not watching from behind a fence.

Living in a community is a fundamental human trait. By definition, being part of a society means you contribute to it. If you expect to enjoy the benefits of the collective while viewing your own contributions as slavery, you have a serious problem.

Rebecca Roberts3 said:Just another leftist supporter of the European Union... 🤦

Is that why you voted for the European Union? 🙄

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Since the proletarian revolution in America is currently off the table, the choice was simple: either the Republican Party mafia or the European Union.

Just another leftist cheerleader for the European Union.

The working class held a massive majority and was firmly in favor. Their support was driven by a logical understanding of class interests and economic reality. Conversely, the Right-wing opposed it, fueled by a desperate fear of losing their privileges and deep-seated nationalist xenophobia.

Melissa Peterson19 said:Fifty-nine colleagues and my brother are in total agreement. I am an eyewitness to everything I am stating.

Rebecca Roberts3 As stated by:
A champion of workers' rights just cast his vote in favor of enslaving himself to the neoliberal capitalist empire.

What would a Mexican say? Good grief.

This fighter senses the inevitable shifts already underway within the European Union. There is only one direction they can head: straight toward socialism. If they don't, revolution—with all its inherent chaos—is the only alternative. Where did the upheaval of 1789 take place? We need to be right there in the thick of it to ensure we don't repeat the failures of 1848. We could also be facing a massive scientific breakthrough or a technological revolution that reshapes the entire world. If that happens, we must be playing in the inner circle, not watching from behind a fence.

Living in a community is a fundamental human trait. By definition, being part of a society means you contribute to it. If you expect to enjoy the benefits of the collective while viewing your own contributions as slavery, you have a serious problem.

Since the proletarian revolution in America is currently off the table, the choice was simple: either the Republican Party mafia or the European Union.

Just another leftist cheerleader for the European Union.

The working class held a massive majority and was firmly in favor. Their support was driven by a logical understanding of class interests and economic reality. Conversely, the Right-wing opposed it, fueled by a desperate fear of losing their privileges and deep-seated nationalist xenophobia.

That is the same logic as a Jew moving from the USA to Germany in 1933 just to dismantle the Reich from within.

Rebecca Roberts3 said:That is the same logic as a Jew moving from the USA to Germany in 1933 just to dismantle the Reich from within.

I know you're aware. I'm just reminding you. The bourgeois revolution happened in France—part of the European Union. Marxism took hold in the German working class—European Union. And your hypothetical Jew arrived to dismantle the Third Reich on Day D-Day. Personally, I believe our own socialist Day D-Day is closer than most realize. Look at Davos today—the elites have already signaled that neoliberal capitalism is dead.It's happening right here!Something new is emerging, specifically regarding worker ownership models. It's a smart move. We need to engage with this directly rather than watching from the sidelines while local North American nationalistic mafias bleed us dry under the guise of patriotism and statehood. That is why I am FOR the European Union!

Melissa Peterson19 said:I know you're aware. I'm just reminding you. The bourgeois revolution happened in France—part of the European Union. Marxism took hold in the German working class—European Union. And your hypothetical Jew arrived to dismantle the Third Reich on Day D-Day. Personally, I believe our own socialist Day D-Day is closer than most realize. Look at Davos today—the elites have already signaled that neoliberal capitalism is dead.It's happening right here!Something new is emerging, specifically regarding worker ownership models. It's a smart move. We need to engage with this directly rather than watching from the sidelines while local North American nationalistic mafias bleed us dry under the guise of patriotism and statehood. That is why I am FOR the European Union!

???

That was news to me. I was under the impression the French bourgeois revolution occurred in the 18th century, Marx lived in the 19th, and the EZ wasn't established until the mid-20th century (and hasn't even been called the European Union since 1993).

Melissa Peterson19 said:I know you're aware. I'm just reminding you. The bourgeois revolution happened in France—part of the European Union. Marxism took hold in the German working class—European Union. And your hypothetical Jew arrived to dismantle the Third Reich on Day D-Day. Personally, I believe our own socialist Day D-Day is closer than most realize. Look at Davos today—the elites have already signaled that neoliberal capitalism is dead.It's happening right here!Something new is emerging, specifically regarding worker ownership models. It's a smart move. We need to engage with this directly rather than watching from the sidelines while local North American nationalistic mafias bleed us dry under the guise of patriotism and statehood. That is why I am FOR the European Union!

Forgive me, but your logic escapes me. You seem eager to join the very entity you intend to dismantle. It is akin to your previous claim about voting for the Republican Party simply to ensure their downfall.

If it is true that capitalism and the European Union, as its empire, are destined to fall (a prospect I hope for), why would America, a small and vulnerable player, rush headlong into such a massive, crumbling structure only to have the debris land on its own head? Would it not be wiser to remain in one's modest cabin and wait for the storm to pass elsewhere?

I’m going to have to call BS on your signature. It just doesn't hold water. You’re basically claiming everyone in the European Union used to be independent and now they aren't? Give me a break. So what, Canadians, Romanians, and Bulgarians are all "in" while I'm stuck being "out"? Seriously, think about what you're even saying here. ha ha

Beyond that, if having more love and connection like we did back in America means I won't have a job, then fine—I've got nothing against it. Stop with the empty slogans; you can't live on them. Those three crooks are just... 25 million people. Let me add one more thing for you: none of this should have even happened. Once we all finally join the European Union, there won't be any borders to worry about anyway. 😉

Rebecca Roberts3 said:The opportunity won't be there forever.

For whom?

They say the sky's the limit and hey, not every bad situation is a lost cause...😉 life's a learning curve, I guess.

If everyone's decided to let others pull their strings, well, not me. Every election cycle, ten new fringe parties pop up out of nowhere, and there's always someone to rally behind.🤷 hope dies last, right?

I was actually thinking about hitting up the Powerball yesterday☕ but I totally botched the entry—picked all the wrong numbers.🙂

When I'm sitting there watching people moan on the news, at least I'll be chill. I really wonder how long they're gonna let themselves get screwed over.

I've done my part, but if even a tiny window opens up to follow my gut, I'm taking it.

So now you're claiming they’re the ones pulling the strings? You think Kosor, Milanović, and Pusić are the masterminds behind our fate? Those are your heroes? Why don't you just take them home with you and be done with it... they're nothing but

I can see exactly what kind of future they've laid out for us, and frankly, not even a complete idiot could misread this mess 😛

That's how it works 👍

silverdriver102 said:I hear you. I really do. I find myself thinking along those exact lines myself; I love my country, but how is it that every time I head to the polls, the option I actually support fails to win?🤷
It happens every single time.🙂

Either I am truly alone in this world, or this entire situation isn't what I believe it to be and what I hold dear...
Or perhaps I'm living on Mars🤷.

I suspect that once the integration is complete, there won't even be an option left for me to vote for.
Everything has become so diluted, somehow....☕

In my book, politics is just a game played by thieves and those few honest souls stuck in the middle.
I want to belong to that second group—the ones who see politics as a public good—and honestly, my biggest gripe is seeing decent people just throw their hands up and walk away from it all.

You should never, ever leave decision-making and policy entirely in the hands of people who don't have a shred of morality.🤷

As for the rest of us? Well, if people don't want to be smart about things now, they'll definitely learn the hard way when things finally hit the fan.

Taylor Morales31 said:So now you're claiming they’re the ones pulling the strings? You think Kosor, Milanović, and Pusić are the masterminds behind our fate? Those are your heroes? Why don't you just take them home with you and be done with it... they're nothing but

I can see exactly what kind of future they've laid out for us, and frankly, not even a complete idiot could misread this mess 😛

That's how it works 👍

Look, whatever happens, people in America actually voted for Kosor and Milanović, so there's at least a tiny glimmer of hope that if the country finally wakes up and decides to kick them out, they might actually go. But these reptiles over at the European Union? Nobody voted for them, and nobody in America has any power to get rid of them!

No, let’s be real—this country is never going to shake off the Republican Party and the Democrats. We’re just spinning our wheels. They’ve shown us exactly who they are, and it turns out they don't care about anyone but themselves.

And don't even get me started on Europe. I bet people over there actually live better than we do. We’re stuck with European price tags while dragging around salaries that are five times lower. Manufacturing is booming everywhere else except here; around here, it's all about building shopping malls and focusing on retail. That's the only thing anyone cares about.

Besides, was there even a referendum? Why are you all getting so worked up? People who actually think for themselves—people like me—won that vote, while people like you lost. Honestly, I don't even know why you bother showing up to these debates anymore. We are completely fed up with the Republican Party, the Democrats, and every other lot. Even a damn mule would have had enough of them by now; even a horse would be kicking them in the head just to get some peace.

There’s an old saying: "The old guy stole, but he at least gave something back; these guys steal, but they won't give you a damn thing." So, cheers to me, I guess.

Taylor Morales31 said:No, let’s be real—this country is never going to shake off the Republican Party and the Democrats. We’re just spinning our wheels. They’ve shown us exactly who they are, and it turns out they don't care about anyone but themselves.

And don't even get me started on Europe. I bet people over there actually live better than we do. We’re stuck with European price tags while dragging around salaries that are five times lower. Manufacturing is booming everywhere else except here; around here, it's all about building shopping malls and focusing on retail. That's the only thing anyone cares about.

Besides, was there even a referendum? Why are you all getting so worked up? People who actually think for themselves—people like me—won that vote, while people like you lost. Honestly, I don't even know why you bother showing up to these debates anymore. We are completely fed up with the Republican Party, the Democrats, and every other lot. Even a damn mule would have had enough of them by now; even a horse would be kicking them in the head just to get some peace.

There’s an old saying: "The old guy stole, but he at least gave something back; these guys steal, but they won't give you a damn thing." So, cheers to me, I guess.

Just a month ago, voters backed the Democratic Party and its coalition. Now, they support the European Union. Do you honestly believe anyone other than the Republican Party or the Democratic Party will hold power once we join the European Union? It will still be the same old crowd.

Melissa Peterson19 said:The difference is simple: the KP served the people, elevating proven candidates who actually possessed a sense of justice, unity, and adherence to their stated principles. Western multi-party systems, on the other hand, exist solely to serve special interest groups and big capital.

I don't think this statement really aligns with being a "total democrat." 😁

The KP didn't hold elections—there wasn't any democracy to speak of, really. I doubt people would ever agree to let a small group of people just pick among themselves again, especially when anyone who disagreed was sent to Manhattan Island. 🤷🤷

That era is long gone, I guess. 🤷

I cast my vote in favor.
The reasoning behind it is quite straightforward—it’s about being present where the global decisions are actually made, ensuring you have a seat at the table within a partnership that guarantees your interests are represented.

In short, it wasn't exactly a stroke of genius, and there's certainly no need for any grand celebrations; after all, the ongoing crisis within the European Union has left us all feeling far more anxious than we were just two or three years ago.
I consider myself a European by conviction. For sixty-seven years now, this united continent hasn't seen a war, which, when you weigh it against historical facts, represents genuine progress.

Rebecca Roberts3 said:Just a month ago, voters backed the Democratic Party and its coalition. Now, they support the European Union. Do you honestly believe anyone other than the Republican Party or the Democratic Party will hold power once we join the European Union? It will still be the same old crowd.

Oh, they'll be in charge, sure—but they'll be playing by a different set of rules. They'll basically have a babysitter because they clearly haven't got a clue how to run things on their own.

That’s exactly why every single politician, regardless of party, was practically begging for this entry. First off, they know they're out of their depth, and second, they’re looking forward to dipping their hands into those accession funds...

Honestly, I don't get why you're getting so worked up about it. If the crooks in Europe turn out to be even bigger thieves than our local hacks, we can just pull a referendum and bail out of the European Union whenever we want. We'll be right back where we started with our own local crooks.

And frankly, I'd much rather have some foreign entity stealing from me than my own damn country.😉

Taylor Morales31 said:Oh, they'll be in charge, sure—but they'll be playing by a different set of rules. They'll basically have a babysitter because they clearly haven't got a clue how to run things on their own.

That’s exactly why every single politician, regardless of party, was practically begging for this entry. First off, they know they're out of their depth, and second, they’re looking forward to dipping their hands into those accession funds...

Honestly, I don't get why you're getting so worked up about it. If the crooks in Europe turn out to be even bigger thieves than our local hacks, we can just pull a referendum and bail out of the European Union whenever we want. We'll be right back where we started with our own local crooks.

And frankly, I'd much rather have some foreign entity stealing from me than my own damn country.😉

I am not agitated at all. Leading up to the referendum, I felt a certain tension, watching to see how Americans would squander their final historic opportunity.
Now that the deed is done, I am perfectly calm. There is nothing left to be done. America is in its terminal stage; one must simply accept the inevitable.

Rebecca Roberts3 said:I am not agitated at all. Leading up to the referendum, I felt a certain tension, watching to see how Americans would squander their final historic opportunity.
Now that the deed is done, I am perfectly calm. There is nothing left to be done. America is in its terminal stage; one must simply accept the inevitable.

So, have you actually made your peace with it yet?

Edward Young3 said:So, have you actually made your peace with it yet?

I have. Now we just wait for the inevitable collapse. It’s better if it arrives sooner rather than later.

Rebecca Roberts3 said:???

That was news to me. I was under the impression the French bourgeois revolution occurred in the 18th century, Marx lived in the 19th, and the EZ wasn't established until the mid-20th century (and hasn't even been called the European Union since 1993).

Forgive me, but your logic escapes me. You seem eager to join the very entity you intend to dismantle. It is akin to your previous claim about voting for the Republican Party simply to ensure their downfall.

If it is true that capitalism and the European Union, as its empire, are destined to fall (a prospect I hope for), why would America, a small and vulnerable player, rush headlong into such a massive, crumbling structure only to have the debris land on its own head? Would it not be wiser to remain in one's modest cabin and wait for the storm to pass elsewhere?

You’re just trolling at this point, and frankly, it’s a waste of time. Revolutionary shifts have already matured across Europe, which is now consolidating into the European Union. Within that union, something entirely new is beginning to take shape. Our participation in this process serves as a vital safeguard, ensuring we aren't swallowed up by some localized, mafia-style regional chaos. I would much rather be behind the walls of the European Union than stuck in whatever mess exists outside of it. The frontline of defense.It’s going to be an economic and demographic tsunami coming from the East and South that hits us all at once in the first wave.
I’ve said all I need to say about the Republican Party on this thread. Let's stay on topic.

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This statement doesn't sit right with me if we're talking about a "total democrat." 😁

The Communist Party failed to hold elections, which means democracy was nothing more than an illusion. I doubt the American people will ever again tolerate a small circle of elites selecting their own successors while threatening anyone who dares to oppose them with a one-way trip to Alcatraz. 🤷🤷

Total democracy is just a third option sitting alongside capitalism and socialism; there isn't anything else. I’ve already explained this elsewhere, so you'll need to go find that thread.

The Communist Party ran the elections, and frankly, people seem to prefer having someone else make decisions and mess things up on their behalf. Back in the day, they sent Stalinists and hardened criminals to Alcatraz. A referendum is the most direct expression of democracy, and you only have to look at the turnout to see that. People just don't want to take responsibility; they’d rather let someone else handle it, provided it works in their favor. As long as they stay comfortable, they couldn't care less whether it's totalitarianism or democracy.

Rebecca Roberts3 said:I have. Now we just wait for the inevitable collapse. It’s better if it arrives sooner rather than later.

Don't worry, it’s coming. But don't blame the European Union for softening the blow; instead, look at the two decades of mismanagement by the Republican Party. That is the real reason the current Coalition is catching all this undeserved heat.