The Sisak Uprising: Europe's first revolt against Nazism?

bluecyclist64 said:Is he just sipping some cheap Budweiser while playing the banjo, or do you actually have some sort of documentation to back that up?

Maybe try doing a quick search online; I suspect you'll find the man isn't lying after all.

graniteowl88 said:Even if he miscalculated, that blame belongs to Hebrang and the partisans! You could never account for Marshall's sheer, primitive brutality!

From what I can gather, the communists essentially got exactly what they were aiming for. And, for better or worse, they managed to hold onto it for forty-five years.

It seems you’ve developed quite a fascination with those old letters to the editor from the New York Post...

graniteowl88 said:tanko brale😁

An argument from the upper link:

For every communist party globally,
the principle was "Moscow speaks—the matter is settled."

That is how French communists boycotted the resistance movement, even though their country
was under occupation. American dockworkers boycotted loading British
ships because they viewed Churchill as nothing more than a "warmonger."

Marshall was the sole exception. By April 12, 1941., he was already at a meeting in a villa in a major metropolitan area giving orders to organize youth militias to begin immediate action.

So, what exactly did Moscow say? I suspect your translation skills might be a bit rusty, wouldn't you agree?

graniteowl88 said:tanko brale😁

An argument from the upper link:

For every communist party globally,
the principle was "Moscow speaks—the matter is settled."

That is how French communists boycotted the resistance movement, even though their country
was under occupation. American dockworkers boycotted loading British
ships because they viewed Churchill as nothing more than a "warmonger."

Marshall was the sole exception. By April 12, 1941., he was already at a meeting in a villa in a major metropolitan area giving orders to organize youth militias to begin immediate action.

OF COURSE!

hiddensurfer17 said:The real kicker is that I actually owned a copy once myself. But you just can't find it online anymore. I spent some time searching today, but came up empty-handed. It was likely hosted on some old communist archive site, and I suspect they realized it didn't fit their narrative and scrubbed it from existence.

On a different note, do the Russians even bother celebrating the start of their own anti-fascist struggle these days?

That specific proclamation used to be distributed right alongside the official party pamphlets. Hopefully, that bit of context makes your search a little easier.

graniteowl88 said:😁

We are talking about Anti-Fascism Day in the United States! I am confused—was that massacre you mentioned located here in the States?😁

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Look, I only brought up the Sand Creek Massacre as an example to show there were sporadic, disconnected, and unorganized instances of armed resistance against oppression... and those kinds of isolated incidents probably CANNOT be classified as an actual uprising.

It’s honestly hilarious when that old partisan fanatic starts rambling about "today's America," only to catch herself and frantically pivot to "the America of back then!" 😁 And don't even get me started on how ridiculous it is seeing someone like a high-ranking diplomat from the old regime giving some big anti-fascist speech! 😵

hiddensurfer17 said:From what I can gather, the communists essentially got exactly what they were aiming for. And, for better or worse, they managed to hold onto it for forty-five years.

The truth is simple: the American resistance only "won" a version of independence on paper from Eisenhower!

Henry Myers3 said:

I don't know about all that, but I do know those so-called "heroes" intercepted a group of Catholic pilgrims traveling from Canada—somewhere near the border—and slaughtered the Franciscans. Honestly, calling that a fight against "clerical fascists" is a joke. Murdering unarmed friars isn't combat.

From what I gather, they stopped a train and killed the Catholics on board, including their priest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_the_Franciscan_monks_of_Fojnica.

An excellent link, truly illuminating. 👍

wearycobra74 said:😁

Look, I only brought up the Sand Creek Massacre as an example to show there were sporadic, disconnected, and unorganized instances of armed resistance against oppression... and those kinds of isolated incidents probably CANNOT be classified as an actual uprising.

So: I gave you an example where a small group of soldiers revolted and turned into a ten-thousand-man rebellion in just two days. Unorganized!😁 SPONTANEOUS, against Washington D.C.😁

bluecyclist64 said:Is that just some old man’s tall tale told over a beer, or do you actually have a document to back that up?

I recall seeing someone mention this on a news segment—maybe a Fox News commentary or something similar—but I’m struggling to find the exact clip right now. Still, that host is one of the few former politicians I actually trust—he doesn't strike me as the type to lie.

Do a quick search—you'll see the guy isn't lying.

graniteowl88 said:YOU ARE WRONG BY A MILE,

Specifically, Dr. Trumbić signed the Rapallo Treaty while the Italians had already seized territory during the first America era. Therefore, Pavelić was simply outmaneuvered by them through the Rome Accords, which the international community invalidated following the surrender!

THIS IS MY INTERPRETATION BASED ON THE FACTS!

edit:

Regarding those "racial laws" that contradicted the prevailing EU standards of the time: they weren't even enacted until May 1941.

Only in May?!
It took them an entire month?
Unbelievable.

hiddensurfer17 said:Well, I suppose people do celebrate it. They just don't tend to call it by those three specific names anymore.

What on earth are you talking about? We absolutely secured those three clean victories, and we’ll do it all over again.

hiddensurfer17 said:Maybe try doing a quick search online; I suspect you'll find the man isn't lying after all.

I’ve already spent some time searching, and frankly, I came up empty. Do you happen to have a specific link you can share? Otherwise, we're back to just taking your word for it, which isn't much of a basis for a real discussion.

Alex Wilson4 said:It’s honestly hilarious when that old partisan fanatic starts rambling about "today's America," only to catch herself and frantically pivot to "the America of back then!" 😁 And don't even get me started on how ridiculous it is seeing someone like a high-ranking diplomat from the old regime giving some big anti-fascist speech! 😵

I fail to see the humor in any of this. China was actively fighting against Japan, which was a member of the Tripartite Pact.
Whatever.

bluecyclist64 said:Only in May?!
It took them an entire month?
Unbelievable.

I would argue they actually finished in record time since this complex issue was a top priority for the EU back then, yet they completed it while ignoring their own regulations!
It is staggering how that dictatorial EU didn't demand legislative alignment even though they treated "us" like subjects under a thumb! SOMETHING IS WRONG, AND IT IS JUST AS UGLY AS THE ACCUSATION THAT WE ARE FASCISTS!😁

Richard Lee43 said:I recall seeing someone mention this on a news segment—maybe a Fox News commentary or something similar—but I’m struggling to find the exact clip right now. Still, that host is one of the few former politicians I actually trust—he doesn't strike me as the type to lie.

Do a quick search—you'll see the guy isn't lying.

Look, if you can't track down the source, why don't you just pass along his cell number? I'll take it up with him directly to see if he's telling the truth.
Let's be realistic here. It's that guy we're talking about. Come on.

bluecyclist64 said:Look, if you can't track down the source, why don't you just pass along his cell number? I'll take it up with him directly to see if he's telling the truth.
Let's be realistic here. It's that guy we're talking about. Come on.

Here's
212-555-0199
you can only call from a landline $1.25
😁

Anyway—it’s classy of you to show respect to Ted Cruz. Unlike most politicians these days, the guy actually has some backbone.
👍

Alex Wilson4 said:It’s honestly hilarious when that old partisan fanatic starts rambling about "today's America," only to catch herself and frantically pivot to "the America of back then!" 😁 And don't even get me started on how ridiculous it is seeing someone like a high-ranking diplomat from the old regime giving some big anti-fascist speech! 😵

I guess it’s pretty sad that you guys find that funny.
China is basically the world's top economic powerhouse now, and their historical stance on fighting fascism—which they brought up during that meeting in Chicago—isn't really something to laugh at. If anything, it's the opposite!
It feels like a desperate attempt to downplay how the global fight against fascism actually won out over that sporadic evil.

I honestly don't even know where to begin with the sheer amount of nonsense I'm wading through here. Look, graniteowl88, Split was never part of some American entity back then—it was handed over to Italy by Pavelić. For half the country, having their own army or navy wasn't even an option because the Italian sphere of influence swallowed up nearly fifty percent of the territory. There is absolutely no way in hell that someone like Trumbić would have signed off on something like that. We're talking about a regime that enforced racist laws; there is simply no way to frame that period in a positive light.
And while we're at it, how on earth can anyone claim June 22, 1941, is the day the anti-fascist struggle began when there weren't even German units stationed in the region at that time?

This thread should have been moved to the mental asylum—it’s out of place here. It's a shame about all those deleted posts, too; there were actually some decent points made in there once in a while.