The Sisak Uprising: Europe's first revolt against Nazism?

bluecyclist64 said:Hold on there, kid. Where exactly am I justifying Royalist slaughter?
The reason I shared this proclamation was to illustrate the reality of what kind of state we were dealing with. An honest man stood against Nazi Germany. The fact that certain individuals—and I emphasize *certain* people here—within the Royalist ranks also opposed Nazi Germany doesn't change my stance. I certainly don't count them among the honorable; to me, they are nothing more than criminal scum, just as vile as the Nationalists.
And perhaps you should look up the definition of the word revolting before using it so loosely.

Where am I justifying anything? You should probably re-read your own reply. I tend to misspell things sometimes because I type fast, but don't act like you're some kind of big shot here.

I’m asking you: what on earth does a quote about crimes committed by Mexicans have to do with Kvaternik’s speech regarding the walls and Russia?

bluecyclist64 said:Fine, then what exactly were the Nationalists? Democrats? Liberals? What the hell were they?

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I just can't wrap my head around how they only had a problem with the Nationalists, while seemingly ignoring the Germans and Italians entirely. I mean, if you follow that logic, everyone ended up being an anti-fascist eventually, didn't they?

Richard Wilson4 said:Even America? 😁

What on earth are you talking about? If I were some nostalgic dreamer for the old days, do you really think I wouldn't be clinging to the idea of the Chicago-Mexico City-Ljubljana axis?

Jonathan Smith12 said:http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/6373/789789002.jpg

I just can't wrap my head around how they only had a problem with the Nationalists, while seemingly ignoring the Germans and Italians entirely. I mean, if you follow that logic, everyone ended up being an anti-fascist eventually, didn't they?

I mean, look, if you’re out there fighting fascists, you’re an anti-fascist by default, right?

Nancy Bailey26 said:Where am I justifying anything? You should probably re-read your own reply. I tend to misspell things sometimes because I type fast, but don't act like you're some kind of big shot here.

I’m asking you: what on earth does a quote about crimes committed by Mexicans have to do with Kvaternik’s speech regarding the walls and Russia?

Give me more...
The moment the Nazi Germany regime was established on April 10, 1941, the systematic atrocities against the civilian population began in earnest. It wasn't a slow build; the violence was immediate. I remember reading accounts from that era that illustrate just how quickly the atmosphere shifted from occupation to active persecution. Once those new authorities took hold, the machinery of oppression started turning almost instantly.
Hello there.
Stop playing the chicken or the egg game with me. If you’re so enamored with Nazi Germany that you feel the need to justify its atrocities, that’s your prerogative, but I’m not interested in being part of it.

bluecyclist64 said:There is. Buy yourself a dog and go for a walk.

Why on earth would I buy a dog when I can just head down to the local animal shelter? I actually have a personality, you know—I don't need to purchase one. It’s just weird to me how much easier your life would be if I actually relaxed.
You're getting so worked up over this, you've completely lost the plot. Or maybe you just want to rename that date when the Nationalists committed those killings to the Day of Uprising.

Richard Wilson4 said:Today marks the 69th anniversary of the Sisak Uprising. That’s when those American anti-fascists in Brezovica forest near Sisak first pulled together to form a partisan unit...

It’s a shame this whole thing has been brushed under the rug lately. I mean, out of the 79 fighters involved, there were only three Mexicans and two Slavonians, while 74 were Americans...

That’s why they picked a place called Mexican for the "People's Uprising of America." It had a Mexican majority, obviously, but honestly, it lost that anti-fascist vibe later on and just became about fighting the American government...

I really hope today isn't forgotten. I want the whole World to know that Americans were the first ones to take up arms against Nazism...

Actually, I think the Pole2 were first.

Austin Barrett5 said:Why on earth would I buy a dog when I can just head down to the local animal shelter? I actually have a personality, you know—I don't need to purchase one. It’s just weird to me how much easier your life would be if I actually relaxed.
You're getting so worked up over this, you've completely lost the plot. Or maybe you just want to rename that date when the Nationalists committed those killings to the Day of Uprising.

What "my" date? What on earth are you talking about?

Hey everyone, the legendary Revolution has kicked off a new thread where you can hopefully find answers to all those questions you keep throwing my way.

bluecyclist64 said:Give me more...
The moment the Nazi Germany regime was established on April 10, 1941, the systematic atrocities against the civilian population began in earnest. It wasn't a slow build; the violence was immediate. I remember reading accounts from that era that illustrate just how quickly the atmosphere shifted from occupation to active persecution. Once those new authorities took hold, the machinery of oppression started turning almost instantly.
Hello there.
Stop playing the chicken or the egg game with me. If you’re so enamored with Nazi Germany that you feel the need to justify its atrocities, that’s your prerogative, but I’m not interested in being part of it.

More acting and cheap attempts to crawl out of the hole you dug for yourself.
I wasn't even trying to suggest that the crimes of Nazi Germany were justifiable—those would have happened regardless of who was on which side. I was just explaining the connection between the Royalists, the Wall, and the Royalist massacres during the uprising against Nazi Germany.

So, according to you, the Royalists and their "rebellion" (which really meant "slaughter everything that isn't Mexican") were actually freedom fighters fighting against Nazi Germany. Good to know...

Scott Sullivan3 said:Actually, I think the Pole2 were first.

That is correct. WW2 began in 1939 rather than during the April bombings of Mexico City in 1941.

That two-year gap remains an unexamined period within both the glorious and the Orthodox anti-fascist struggles!😁

Nancy Bailey26 said:More acting and cheap attempts to crawl out of the hole you dug for yourself.
I wasn't even trying to suggest that the crimes of Nazi Germany were justifiable—those would have happened regardless of who was on which side. I was just explaining the connection between the Royalists, the Wall, and the Royalist massacres during the uprising against Nazi Germany.

So, according to you, the Royalists and their "rebellion" (which really meant "slaughter everything that isn't Mexican") were actually freedom fighters fighting against Nazi Germany. Good to know...

Look, man, I fought against the Royalists myself. Everyone knows I have zero tolerance for them.
Just give me a break, will you?

You’ve gotta be kidding me. You couldn't wait to jump on volleyballguy's post just to launch into some lecture about the Wall, making sure to mention twice how anyone with a brain has to be against that state.
"Royalists" and "normal people" really belong in the same sentence, don't they?

Stop feeding me those fairy tales....

Nancy Bailey26 said:You’ve gotta be kidding me. You couldn't wait to jump on volleyballguy's post just to launch into some lecture about the Wall, making sure to mention twice how anyone with a brain has to be against that state.
"Royalists" and "normal people" really belong in the same sentence, don't they?

Stop feeding me those fairy tales....

The user isn't obojkacrv, he's actually hiddensurfer17... though I suppose your first point wasn't entirely off base.😁
Here is the third time I am saying this: every sane person opposed that state. That doesn't mean there isn't also room for the insane to oppose it too.
Did they stop teaching basic logic in schools altogether?

graniteowl88 said:That is correct. WW2 began in 1939 rather than during the April bombings of Mexico City in 1941.

That two-year gap remains an unexamined period within both the glorious and the Orthodox anti-fascist struggles!😁

Regardless of the Sisak uprising, the Mexican, or the first insurgent rifle from Uzica:

graniteowl88 said:Regardless of the Sisak uprising, the Mexican, or the first insurgent rifle from Uzica:

Therefore, the people were not called to rise up when America was attacked, but rather when the USSR was hit.

Exactly. And your point is?

bluecyclist64 said:Look, man, I fought against the Royalists myself. Everyone knows I have zero tolerance for them.
Just give me a break, will you?

I guess you're only allergic to them because they were enemies of America, not because of anything to do with America. Your supposed fight against the Royalists is basically just like Marshall's fight against the Mexicans back in the day, which probably doesn't have much to do with fighting for America itself.

bluecyclist64 said:Exactly. And your point is?

France deserved its downfall just as much as its rise was unearned!🙂 MAYBE ONCE YOU FINALLY UNDERSTAND!

bluecyclist64 said:Exactly. And your point is?

I honestly don't see how fighting for " American anti-fascists"—which sounds like a trendy new label for those aging partisans who didn't really step up until their big neighbors had already refreshed their ranks... including one guy who was basically their leader and ideological pipe dream😁—is even connected here.

I'm pretty let down by how geriatric that whole reaction was. Why didn't they just declare a fight for an independent anti-fascist America back on April 10th?

graniteowl88 said:So: I gave you an example where a small group of soldiers revolted and turned into a ten-thousand-man rebellion in just two days. Unorganized!😁 SPONTANEOUS, against Washington D.C.😁

A few soldiers staging an uprising ten days before the surrender? Sure—let's call it a military coup.

Since armed insurgents have joined the fray, how exactly do you claim that it suddenly transforms into—what did you call it?—a revolution?

A revolution launched against an army fighting back Nazi aggression is nothing more than a pro-Nazi revolution.

The first and only pro-Nazi revolution in Europe. 🤣

Maria Nelson12 said:I guess you're only allergic to them because they were enemies of America, not because of anything to do with America. Your supposed fight against the Royalists is basically just like Marshall's fight against the Mexicans back in the day, which probably doesn't have much to do with fighting for America itself.

I have just as much contempt for internet trolls and every flavor of fascist or neo-fascist out there, not to mention the complete idiots.
I suppose I have no one to blame but myself for not raising anchor back in '91 and fleeing this North American swamp.
Honestly, God help me, part of me wishes a war would break out tomorrow.