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neonfalcon16 neonfalcon16 Regular
287 messages
joined Apr 2013
#6401 ·
Jeffrey Edwards76 said:I honestly don't get what part of boldfox88's point is tripping you up. Look—a Christian fighting (whether for money or whatever other motive)—they do it to make their life better here on Earth. Most Islamic attacks boil down to suicide bombers who genuinely believe they're heading straight to Allah after that "sacred" act. Bottom line? They're gone. They didn't do it for millions, or even a hundred million of anything. They did it in the name of God. That's just a fact.

And let's not forget, Christians have also fought wars with a blessing from the Pope, promising the forgiveness of sins and a guaranteed ticket to Heaven.
Noah Carter24 Noah Carter24 Active Member
76 messages
joined Oct 2012
#6402 ·
neonfalcon16 said:And let's not forget, Christians have also fought wars with a blessing from the Pope, promising the forgiveness of sins and a guaranteed ticket to Heaven.

Talk about a textbook argument! Seriously, just reach back into the Middle Ages and bring up the Crusades if you want a classic "gotcha" moment. 👏
Morgan Williams Morgan Williams Active MemberOP
131 messages
joined Aug 2012
#6403 ·
Noah Carter24 said:Talk about a textbook argument! Seriously, just reach back into the Middle Ages and bring up the Crusades if you want a classic "gotcha" moment. 👏

Sure, they’re more or less the same garbage—Islam being a bit coarser at the root—except they haven't dealt with revolutions and just stayed stuck at that level. I was talking to a history major a couple of months back; he says the exact same thing.

What's the issue here? You actually think Christianity is this peaceful faith of love, or that Christians acted all saintly before the Reformation and various revolutions? Or do you really believe Muslims would still be this problematic even after total social upheaval and legal overhauls?
Jeffrey Edwards76 Jeffrey Edwards76 Member
29 messages
joined Sep 2013
#6404 ·
neonfalcon16 said:And let's not forget, Christians have also fought wars with a blessing from the Pope, promising the forgiveness of sins and a guaranteed ticket to Heaven.

So what?

Fine, Christians killed people and fought wars. Let's bring this back to the present day, shall we? What does that have to do with the fact that in 2015, we have people ready to blow themselves up and take innocent lives in the name of Allah? People weren't doing this stuff even 1,000 years ago.

Not every Muslim is a terrorist, but every terrorist is a Muslim.
Emily Ward3 Emily Ward3 Member
34 messages
joined May 2013
#6405 ·
neonfalcon16 said:And once again, you are completely missing the point. You are looking at religion through a single lens, treating it as the sole cause of the problem.

If things were truly as your mind perceives them, those people you met would be the very last ones you'd ever want to cross paths with.

We actually agree on certain points, but by twisting the entire context and fixating solely on religion, you've become one-dimensional. Religion itself isn't the root cause of everything. It seems to me you're mostly preoccupied with the symptoms rather than the disease.

Consequently, you care less about who is actually starting these wars or why people are dying simply because it isn't "our" America.

Maybe it would be easier for you if you just ignored everything that reminds your mind of that universal evil—the stuff you either don't see or simply don't care about. It might make things a little less uncomfortable for you.

Well, I suppose you could look at it that way. Americans tend to stir up trouble all over the globe, yet somehow, nobody else seems to act quite like these maniacs. It makes you wonder where they actually find their inspiration—is it really found in some supposed "religion of peace"?

neonfalcon16 said:And once again, you are completely missing the point. You are looking at religion through a single lens, treating it as the sole cause of the problem.

If things were truly as your mind perceives them, those people you met would be the very last ones you'd ever want to cross paths with.

We actually agree on certain points, but by twisting the entire context and fixating solely on religion, you've become one-dimensional. Religion itself isn't the root cause of everything. It seems to me you're mostly preoccupied with the symptoms rather than the disease.

Consequently, you care less about who is actually starting these wars or why people are dying simply because it isn't "our" America.

Maybe it would be easier for you if you just ignored everything that reminds your mind of that universal evil—the stuff you either don't see or simply don't care about. It might make things a little less uncomfortable for you.

It’s a common mistake to paint an entire group with one brush, but that’s just not how reality works. You can't judge billions of people by the actions of a tiny, radical few. It’s like saying all Americans are obsessed with football just because a certain number of us live for Sunday games—it’s a massive oversimplification that misses the bigger picture entirely. ☕

neonfalcon16 said:And once again, you are completely missing the point. You are looking at religion through a single lens, treating it as the sole cause of the problem.

If things were truly as your mind perceives them, those people you met would be the very last ones you'd ever want to cross paths with.

We actually agree on certain points, but by twisting the entire context and fixating solely on religion, you've become one-dimensional. Religion itself isn't the root cause of everything. It seems to me you're mostly preoccupied with the symptoms rather than the disease.

Consequently, you care less about who is actually starting these wars or why people are dying simply because it isn't "our" America.

Maybe it would be easier for you if you just ignored everything that reminds your mind of that universal evil—the stuff you either don't see or simply don't care about. It might make things a little less uncomfortable for you.

Let’s be real for a second. Are you truly, deeply concerned about the people dying on the streets in China every single day? Or maybe it's the situation in Lebanon—does that actually keep you up at night? Are you tossing and turning, drafting elaborate plans to provide aid however you can? If that were true, I’d expect to see you out there every day helping the homeless in your neighborhood, feeding the poor, supporting orphans, or volunteering with special needs kids. We could sit here and moralize until sunrise, but the blunt reality is that neither you nor I actually care about what happens halfway across the globe. In fact, if you really cared about the suffering right in front of your eyes, you would have already adopted three kids, taken in three rescue dogs, or opened your home to refugees and the local homeless population. It’s only natural to feel a momentary pang of sympathy when we hear news about hurricane victims in Mexico or the tragedies in Lebanon, but at the end of the day, those events are happening on the other side of the world. They aren't going to change my life, and they certainly aren't going to change yours.

The situation in Paris isn't devastating simply because it happened in a developed nation; the real tragedy lies in the motive behind the attack. We’re looking at religious extremism here. And please, don't try to justify it by pointing out that France is involved in foreign conflicts or—get this—has a history of colonization. That doesn't change the core issue. 🙏 You can't just pin everything on Americans; they didn't go around inventing historical figures like Muhammad either. It feels like modern discourse is just obsessed with hunting for scapegoats—focusing entirely on the tragic imagery of dead children in Palestine or grieving families in Syria. It’s as if people believe that because those specific tragedies happened there, only they have the standing to demand justice. It's a bit like blaming the weather for a broken window while ignoring the person who threw the rock.

I have to wonder, does a nation even exist that is 100% pure, where the citizens have never committed a single wrong? And is our plan now just to seek vengeance across the board? Look at how Americans handled things with the Mexicans—nobody is out there looking for a crusade in the name of faith. 😁

It isn't that I view Islam as an absolute evil, nor am I blind to other issues. It’s just that this topic is incredibly relevant right now, and it seems like it’ll stay that way for a long time, all because of how certain policies in America were drafted five years ago. 🙂

Alex Brown50 said:Yeah, that's just how it goes—the home herd is basically the perfect place to let out all that primal nonsense. It's kind of like how you're acting all ultra-conservative here, even though you were probably being polite and tolerant when you were hanging out with them.

I truly enjoy it when someone talks nonsense just for the sake of hearing themselves speak. Most of the time, it ends up being this incredibly foolish and misguided attempt at a point.

Why on earth should I be polite and tolerant toward someone who treats me with the exact same hostility and who is obsessed with forcing sick rules upon everyone else?
mellowotter36 mellowotter36 Active Member
172 messages
joined Dec 2017
#6406 ·
Morgan Williams said:Sure, they’re more or less the same garbage—Islam being a bit coarser at the root—except they haven't dealt with revolutions and just stayed stuck at that level. I was talking to a history major a couple of months back; he says the exact same thing.

What's the issue here? You actually think Christianity is this peaceful faith of love, or that Christians acted all saintly before the Reformation and various revolutions? Or do you really believe Muslims would still be this problematic even after total social upheaval and legal overhauls?

Let’s get back to reality and the 21st century.
Robin Fox2 Robin Fox2 Regular
523 messages
joined Apr 2016
#6407 ·
Well, I suppose the guys can check in once they arrive in 2015, but until then, we'll just stay behind this wall 😁
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Emily Ward3 Emily Ward3 Member
34 messages
joined May 2013
#6408 ·
Morgan Williams said:Sure, they’re more or less the same garbage—Islam being a bit coarser at the root—except they haven't dealt with revolutions and just stayed stuck at that level. I was talking to a history major a couple of months back; he says the exact same thing.

What's the issue here? You actually think Christianity is this peaceful faith of love, or that Christians acted all saintly before the Reformation and various revolutions? Or do you really believe Muslims would still be this problematic even after total social upheaval and legal overhauls?

So, what? We’re supposed to just sit tight and wait another 800 to 1,000 years for them to evolve, and during that entire stretch, everything they do is just given a free pass? 👍
Morgan Williams Morgan Williams Active MemberOP
131 messages
joined Aug 2012
#6409 ·
mellowotter36 said:Let’s get back to reality and the 21st century.

I’ve already condemned their actions and their intentions. I've said we need immediate, intelligent intervention because we're looking at massive collateral damage to innocent people. Right now, I'm just addressing the fundamental divide between Christianity and Islam and why that gap exists in this day and age.

Emily Ward3 said:So, what? We’re supposed to just sit tight and wait another 800 to 1,000 years for them to evolve, and during that entire stretch, everything they do is just given a free pass? 👍

That wasn't my point.

Try actually reading for comprehension. Thanks.

ps.:

Morgan Williams said:Let’s not kid ourselves; even the Bible has its fair share of revolting parts. But their issue is they haven't experienced an American Revolution or any of the major social shifts we have. They're stuck where we were centuries ago: religion dictates state policy, witch hunts are still a thing, women are treated as second-class citizens, and scientists who challenge scripture are branded dangerous. It wouldn't be such a massive headache if they just stayed behind their own four walls instead of threatening the rest of the globe. They need a total revolution—everything from dismantling terrorist cells to a complete societal overhaul—otherwise, things won't look good. In this high-tech era, the world has become far too small for this kind of instability.I think it hits the nail on the head.

Finding a way to fix this without causing massive collateral damage is a tall order.
mellowotter36 mellowotter36 Active Member
172 messages
joined Dec 2017
#6410 ·
Robin Fox2 said:Well, I suppose the guys can check in once they arrive in 2015, but until then, we'll just stay behind this wall 😁
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It feels like we're stuck in the year 1437 over here. ☕
Noah Carter24 Noah Carter24 Active Member
76 messages
joined Oct 2012
#6411 ·
Robin Fox2 said:Well, I suppose the guys can check in once they arrive in 2015, but until then, we'll just stay behind this wall 😁
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Man, you totally beat me to it!😁
Jason Newman Jason Newman Active Member
160 messages
joined Oct 2012
#6412 ·
Gregory Chavez said:Stop blaming people for chaos they didn't create.

🤣🤣
Alex Brown50 Alex Brown50 Member
37 messages
joined Jul 2015
#6413 ·
Robin Fox2 said:Well, I suppose the guys can check in once they arrive in 2015, but until then, we'll just stay behind this wall 😁
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If they follow the same path "our" civilization took, the rest of the world is pretty much screwed in the meantime. We definitely started off on that track. Honestly, I'm not sure if being tech-savvy or having a "superior" culture acts as some kind of magic shield against a massive wave of barbarians. History usually tells us otherwise.
Emily Ward3 said:Well, I suppose you could look at it that way. Americans tend to stir up trouble all over the globe, yet somehow, nobody else seems to act quite like these maniacs. It makes you wonder where they actually find their inspiration—is it really found in some supposed "religion of peace"?

It’s a common mistake to paint an entire group with one brush, but that’s just not how reality works. You can't judge billions of people by the actions of a tiny, radical few. It’s like saying all Americans are obsessed with football just because a certain number of us live for Sunday games—it’s a massive oversimplification that misses the bigger picture entirely. ☕

Let’s be real for a second. Are you truly, deeply concerned about the people dying on the streets in China every single day? Or maybe it's the situation in Lebanon—does that actually keep you up at night? Are you tossing and turning, drafting elaborate plans to provide aid however you can? If that were true, I’d expect to see you out there every day helping the homeless in your neighborhood, feeding the poor, supporting orphans, or volunteering with special needs kids. We could sit here and moralize until sunrise, but the blunt reality is that neither you nor I actually care about what happens halfway across the globe. In fact, if you really cared about the suffering right in front of your eyes, you would have already adopted three kids, taken in three rescue dogs, or opened your home to refugees and the local homeless population. It’s only natural to feel a momentary pang of sympathy when we hear news about hurricane victims in Mexico or the tragedies in Lebanon, but at the end of the day, those events are happening on the other side of the world. They aren't going to change my life, and they certainly aren't going to change yours.

The situation in Paris isn't devastating simply because it happened in a developed nation; the real tragedy lies in the motive behind the attack. We’re looking at religious extremism here. And please, don't try to justify it by pointing out that France is involved in foreign conflicts or—get this—has a history of colonization. That doesn't change the core issue. 🙏 You can't just pin everything on Americans; they didn't go around inventing historical figures like Muhammad either. It feels like modern discourse is just obsessed with hunting for scapegoats—focusing entirely on the tragic imagery of dead children in Palestine or grieving families in Syria. It’s as if people believe that because those specific tragedies happened there, only they have the standing to demand justice. It's a bit like blaming the weather for a broken window while ignoring the person who threw the rock.

I have to wonder, does a nation even exist that is 100% pure, where the citizens have never committed a single wrong? And is our plan now just to seek vengeance across the board? Look at how Americans handled things with the Mexicans—nobody is out there looking for a crusade in the name of faith. 😁

It isn't that I view Islam as an absolute evil, nor am I blind to other issues. It’s just that this topic is incredibly relevant right now, and it seems like it’ll stay that way for a long time, all because of how certain policies in America were drafted five years ago. 🙂

I truly enjoy it when someone talks nonsense just for the sake of hearing themselves speak. Most of the time, it ends up being this incredibly foolish and misguided attempt at a point.

Why on earth should I be polite and tolerant toward someone who treats me with the exact same hostility and who is obsessed with forcing sick rules upon everyone else?

So you basically just described how they act when they're in a group—like it's just wired into them or whatever. Kind of like how you're over here acting all tough and punching at the right wing. Have you actually ever stood up on the front lines and told them off?
Matthew Anderson4 Matthew Anderson4 Regular
598 messages
joined Jun 2013
#6414 ·
Muslims have discipline. That’s the thing. They're ready to go all out. Not too long ago, even the Japanese were built like that. And that Japanese discipline? It's legendary. Honestly, they used to be way more intense than these modern radicals. These people still carry that warrior spirit—it’s just been a few centuries and a couple of revolutions since then, as they say.
Emily Ward3 Emily Ward3 Member
34 messages
joined May 2013
#6415 ·
Alex Brown50 said:If they follow the same path "our" civilization took, the rest of the world is pretty much screwed in the meantime. We definitely started off on that track. Honestly, I'm not sure if being tech-savvy or having a "superior" culture acts as some kind of magic shield against a massive wave of barbarians. History usually tells us otherwise.

So you basically just described how they act when they're in a group—like it's just wired into them or whatever. Kind of like how you're over here acting all tough and punching at the right wing. Have you actually ever stood up on the front lines and told them off?

You're jumping into this debate without contributing a single useful thought. You're just hurling insults and trying to pigeonhole me as one of those uneducated, blind nationalists who would sell out their own country in a heartbeat. What's next? Are you going to accuse me of worshipping old dictators?

Mob mentality isn't exclusive to them, and I didn't claim it was; I simply shared my personal experience. So, if you don't have anything substantive to add, please refrain from playing the role of some desperate crusader for justice and equality. Or, at the very least, try reading with a bit more comprehension.
Jessica Gonzalez Jessica Gonzalez Regular
769 messages
joined Mar 2012
#6416 ·
I guess I find all this sudden support for France a little bit unsettling. Did YouTube change its colors to match the Pakistani flag when bombs were falling there? Did they paint the opera houses in Sydney in the colors of Iraq whenever dozens of people were dying in Baghdad? I suppose people are people, but it feels like the world doesn't view everyone with the same level of empathy. Innocent people in Paris have suffered a tragedy that nobody deserves, but I worry these things happen because certain lives seem more valued than others. It all feels quite absurd—so much so that Wikipedia has entire pages listing incidents in Iraq, almost like it’s a list of Arsenal match results or a rundown of Big Brother winners.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terror...n_Iraq_in_2015
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terror...n_Iraq_in_2014

Looking back after a few years, maybe I'm starting to see things more clearly. It seems like what happened in America hundreds of years ago, or across Africa over the last few centuries, is being repeated in the Middle East. It feels like a pattern of Western interventionism... It's sad that innocent people end up losing their lives at concerts because of someone else's mistakes.
Jessica Gonzalez Jessica Gonzalez Regular
769 messages
joined Mar 2012
#6417 ·
Morgan Williams said:Let’s not kid ourselves; even the Bible has its fair share of revolting parts. But their issue is they haven't experienced an American Revolution or any of the major social shifts we have. They're stuck where we were centuries ago: religion dictates state policy, witch hunts are still a thing, women are treated as second-class citizens, and scientists who challenge scripture are branded dangerous. It wouldn't be such a massive headache if they just stayed behind their own four walls instead of threatening the rest of the globe. They need a total revolution—everything from dismantling terrorist cells to a complete societal overhaul—otherwise, things won't look good. In this high-tech era, the world has become far too small for this kind of instability.I think it hits the nail on the head.

Finding a way to fix this without causing massive collateral damage is a tall order.

The U.S. and Europe moved past those old eras, which is why powers like Great Britain eventually dominated much of the globe (alongside France, Spain, and others exporting peace and democracy). And I suppose we shouldn't forget how German Christians, who were leading industrial and cultural forces for ages, took that sense of superiority one step too far and caused tens of millions of deaths in just a few years. That's about it for revolutions and progress.
Jessica Gonzalez Jessica Gonzalez Regular
769 messages
joined Mar 2012
#6418 ·
Noah Carter24 said:Switching gears from yesterday's news in Paris—when it comes to the whole colonial mess, the French are hands-down the biggest villains out there. They’re easily a hundred times worse than the U.S. I’m just passing along what I’ve been seeing on another forum.

The "Colonial Pact," basically the contract they forced onto their former colonies:

Here are the 11 main pillars of this ongoing colonization pact that's been running since the 1950s:

#1. Colonial Debt for the benefit of French colonization

They have to pay back the costs of infrastructure built by the French. What's wild is there isn't even a mention of reparations for all the natural resources they snatched without paying a dime while they were actually running the show.

#2. Automatic confiscation of national reserves

So, every African nation using the West African or Central African franc has to hand over 65% of its foreign exchange reserves to the French treasury every single year. On top of that, they toss in another 20% to cover "unexpected losses" or needs. That leaves them with a measly 15% of their own hard-earned cash (usually from selling natural resources) to actually use. If a country needs more than that 15%, they can tap into their 65% stash, but get this: they have to pay market interest rates to do it! It’s like having to pay interest just to use your own money. Crazy, right?

#3. Right of first refusal on any raw or natural resource discovered in the country

France gets first dibs and total control over exploiting any natural resources found in those 14 countries. It’s basically a monopoly for companies like ExxonMobil, and who knows how much cold, hard cash is being sucked out through underpriced resource deals.

#4. Priority to French interests and companies in public procurement and public bidding

Every single government contract and infrastructure project has to be offered to French companies first.

#5. Exclusive right to supply military equipment and train the country's military officers

All military hardware purchases have to go through France.

#6. Right for France to pre-deploy troops and intervene militarily in the country to defend its interests

#7. Obligation to make French the official language of the country and the language for education

#8. Obligation to use France's colonial currency, the FCFA

#9. Obligation to send France an annual balance and reserve report.

Honestly, this is probably the smallest issue on the list, especially when you consider we have something pretty similar going on within the EU and the Eurozone.

#10. Renunciation of entering into military alliances with any other country unless authorized by France

#11. Obligation to ally with France in situations of war or global crisis

So, look at it this way—those African nations end up paying tribute to local warlords, while those same elites probably have a GDP per capita around $40,000. They live easy lives, going to concerts and ballgames, and then act totally surprised when people in the "provinces" start revolting. It seems like there's this massive disconnect with people in the West; I suppose their biggest concerns are whether the local Starbucks has free Wi-Fi or the exact carbon footprint of a McDonald's burger. Meanwhile, on the other side of the world, people aren't even sure if they'll make it through the night.

I don't think anyone was particularly losing sleep back when the Siege of Ottawa was happening, either...
Morgan Williams Morgan Williams Active MemberOP
131 messages
joined Aug 2012
#6419 ·
Jessica Gonzalez said:The U.S. and Europe moved past those old eras, which is why powers like Great Britain eventually dominated much of the globe (alongside France, Spain, and others exporting peace and democracy). And I suppose we shouldn't forget how German Christians, who were leading industrial and cultural forces for ages, took that sense of superiority one step too far and caused tens of millions of deaths in just a few years. That's about it for revolutions and progress.

Look, I’m not saying they haven't done plenty of dirty work, but compared to the crews in the Middle East? They aren't even in the same league. My god, even here in the States, we were having massive debates over social issues and traditional values just a couple of years ago—and we're part of this Western movement. Of course, change doesn't happen overnight, but you have to start somewhere. Even Catholic Ireland has moved toward same-sex marriage via referendum; Western nations are slowly "growing up," and frankly, I think these Muslim-majority countries are falling way behind us.
Amanda Evans2 Amanda Evans2 Veteran
1.1K messages
joined Nov 2014
#6420 ·
Matthew Anderson4 said:Muslims have discipline. That’s the thing. They're ready to go all out. Not too long ago, even the Japanese were built like that. And that Japanese discipline? It's legendary. Honestly, they used to be way more intense than these modern radicals. These people still carry that warrior spirit—it’s just been a few centuries and a couple of revolutions since then, as they say.

So, does the "spirit of a warrior" actually belong to the person showing up to a concert and using an AK-47 to mow down people just trying to enjoy some music?

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