Offside Chat Archives (2014-2021)

restlesssurfer97 said::

Honestly, this is far preferable to dealing with those little softies. 🤣

Amy Nelson4 said:Constitution of the United States
Article 52

The seas, coastlines, islands, waterways, airspace, mineral resources, and other natural assets—plus land, forests, flora, fauna, various ecological zones, real estate, and anything deemed to have significant cultural, historical, economic, or environmental value under federal law—are all granted special protection by the Republic.

Law on Protection of Cultural Goods
Article 109.

Funding for the preservation and protection of cultural goods is sourced from:
- the federal budget
- the budgets of states, or specifically, the City of Washington, D.C....

Splish splash... ☕

I really don't see why I should have to explain to him why the government and the City are involved in restoring the Cathedral. Anthony Jackson2 would probably just tear the whole thing down anyway...
Since a priceless national monument holds the exact same weight as some private apartment owned by Despot and Dezulovic. Apparently, Anthony Jackson2 doesn't realize that the City participates in the restoration of cultural monuments and heritage sites even when they're privately owned. He clearly hasn't grasped that the Department of Culture puts out grants every single year for the renovation of these types of buildings, regardless of whether they are state-owned or not. Public funds are used for the restoration and preservation of private properties all the time.

Paul Martinez73 said:Splish splash... ☕

I really don't see why I should have to explain to him why the government and the City are involved in restoring the Cathedral. Anthony Jackson2 would probably just tear the whole thing down anyway...
Since a priceless national monument holds the exact same weight as some private apartment owned by Despot and Dezulovic. Apparently, Anthony Jackson2 doesn't realize that the City participates in the restoration of cultural monuments and heritage sites even when they're privately owned. He clearly hasn't grasped that the Department of Culture puts out grants every single year for the renovation of these types of buildings, regardless of whether they are state-owned or not. Public funds are used for the restoration and preservation of private properties all the time.

There isn't anything in the Constitution or any law stating we have to hand over billions to NGOs, so yeah, we give it.

Paul Martinez73 said:Splish splash... ☕

I really don't see why I should have to explain to him why the government and the City are involved in restoring the Cathedral. Anthony Jackson2 would probably just tear the whole thing down anyway...
Since a priceless national monument holds the exact same weight as some private apartment owned by Despot and Dezulovic. Apparently, Anthony Jackson2 doesn't realize that the City participates in the restoration of cultural monuments and heritage sites even when they're privately owned. He clearly hasn't grasped that the Department of Culture puts out grants every single year for the renovation of these types of buildings, regardless of whether they are state-owned or not. Public funds are used for the restoration and preservation of private properties all the time.

Look, I’m not trying to jump into your debate about the Cathedral, but since you seem to have such a firm grip on the subject, would you mind throwing out a few specific examples? Just since you clearly know they exist.

Amy Nelson4 said:Constitution of the United States
Article 52

The seas, coastlines, islands, waterways, airspace, mineral resources, and other natural assets—plus land, forests, flora, fauna, various ecological zones, real estate, and anything deemed to have significant cultural, historical, economic, or environmental value under federal law—are all granted special protection by the Republic.

Law on Protection of Cultural Goods
Article 109.

Funding for the preservation and protection of cultural goods is sourced from:
- the federal budget
- the budgets of states, or specifically, the City of Washington, D.C....

So, one day the Church is a protected cultural asset and a matter of national interest—then suddenly it’s just private property where journalists aren't allowed to step foot without an invitation. Typical. 🐔

Some people here would actually make decent politicians—though around here, laws and rules seem to change whenever it suits someone's schedule. ☕

Dennis Evans6 said:Look, I’m not trying to jump into your debate about the Cathedral, but since you seem to have such a firm grip on the subject, would you mind throwing out a few specific examples? Just since you clearly know they exist.

https://gov.us/my-administration/housing...house-prices/1679

Funding for Cultural Heritage Restoration

Once a year, the Department of Culture announces a call for funding public needs in culture through official government publications and their own website. This covers programs for protecting, preserving, restoring, presenting, and maintaining our cultural heritage.

Public calls.

Owners of historic buildings—both individuals and legal entities—can apply for these funds. The financing is handled through annual programs.

Beyond the federal budget, funds for restoring historic homes are also provided through local and regional government budgets.

Anthony Jackson2 said:So, one day the Church is a protected cultural asset and a matter of national interest—then suddenly it’s just private property where journalists aren't allowed to step foot without an invitation. Typical. 🐔

Some people here would actually make decent politicians—though around here, laws and rules seem to change whenever it suits someone's schedule. ☕

It's the same old story with the Church—just break into their houses and start filming... 🤷
Then just claim it's all "cultural heritage."

Anthony Jackson2 said:So, one day the Church is a protected cultural asset and a matter of national interest—then suddenly it’s just private property where journalists aren't allowed to step foot without an invitation. Typical. 🐔

Some people here would actually make decent politicians—though around here, laws and rules seem to change whenever it suits someone's schedule. ☕

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A cultural asset is a matter of national interest. In this specific instance, we're talking about the Church. A random little church out in the suburbs of Split isn't exactly a national treasure. Do you see the difference? Or rather, do you actually get it?

Some of us can interpret very straightforward laws without needing a PhD—though I'm seeing that some people struggle even with the basics. It's like pure hatred is just blinding them at this point. 👎

Amy Nelson4 said:🤦
A cultural asset is a matter of national interest. In this specific instance, we're talking about the Church. A random little church out in the suburbs of Split isn't exactly a national treasure. Do you see the difference? Or rather, do you actually get it?

Some of us can interpret very straightforward laws without needing a PhD—though I'm seeing that some people struggle even with the basics. It's like pure hatred is just blinding them at this point. 👎

Are you trying to suggest that if Josip Delaš were a Bishop in the Cathedral, he wouldn't act the way he did?

Or maybe you think that some random church in the suburbs is some kind of medieval monument?

bluebison47 said:Are you trying to suggest that if Josip Delaš were a Bishop in the Cathedral, he wouldn't act the way he did?

Or maybe you think that some random church in the suburbs is some kind of medieval monument?

No. Look, I’m not even arguing that Josip Delaš handled things poorly by essentially telling them to go to hell. What I was actually disputing was the journalist's behavior and how she completely ignored the law.

bluebison47 said:Are you trying to suggest that if Josip Delaš were a Bishop in the Cathedral, he wouldn't act the way he did?

Or maybe you think that some random church in the suburbs is some kind of medieval monument?

I think he was just pointing out that a certain church in the outskirts of Split, built only a few years ago, isn't classified as a cultural good. Not every church qualifies as a cultural good or a historical monument; everyone knows there's a specific process for making it onto that list.

The Church really ought to be responsible for renovating its own buildings—especially when you consider the sheer amount of taxpayer money it already receives from the US Government

Laura Chavez93 said:The Church really ought to be responsible for renovating its own buildings—especially when you consider the sheer amount of taxpayer money it already receives from the US Government

Honestly, we definitely need some actual oversight in place here

Anthony Jackson2 said:So, one day the Church is a protected cultural asset and a matter of national interest—then suddenly it’s just private property where journalists aren't allowed to step foot without an invitation. Typical. 🐔

Some people here would actually make decent politicians—though around here, laws and rules seem to change whenever it suits someone's schedule. ☕

Seriously, do you actually not grasp how something can be both a cultural treasure and private property, or are you just playing dumb?
Doesn't matter; honestly, props to the journalist for calling out the priest's hypocrisy right to his face, regardless of whether she technically broke the law. Everyone else plays by the rules while he's out there acting like a total clown.

ironpanther5 said:Seriously, do you actually not grasp how something can be both a cultural treasure and private property, or are you just playing dumb?
Doesn't matter; honestly, props to the journalist for calling out the priest's hypocrisy right to his face, regardless of whether she technically broke the law. Everyone else plays by the rules while he's out there acting like a total clown.

Which law?

French virologist Luc Montagnier—the guy who actually won the Nobel Prize for isolating HIV back in 2008—is out here claiming that SARS-CoV-2 was engineered in a lab.

Interesting stuff...

brightpilot6 said:Which law?

Look, I'm definitely not a lawyer, so you should probably run this by them—or maybe even a whole team of them. You've got everything from trespassing on private property without permission all the way up the ladder to deal with.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01095-0

Lol.

Paul Martinez73 said:It's the same old story with the Church—just break into their houses and start filming... 🤷
Then just claim it's all "cultural heritage."

The Washington, D.C. Cathedral isn't showing up here for me 🤔

Anthony Jackson2 said:The Washington, D.C. Cathedral isn't showing up here for me 🤔

Washington, D.C., Assumption of Mary Cathedral complex
Asset ID: Z-202
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