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wiredrider9 wiredrider9 Regular
424 messages
joined Oct 2018
#16681 ·
Matthew Young35 said:I’ve been rewatching the tapes from both of them, and honestly? Drazen was playing on an entirely different plane.
Respect to Toni Kukoč and Vlade Divac, of course, but Drazen was simply a class above the rest.
I’m talking about his prime years playing over in Europe; I didn't follow the NBA quite as closely back then.

It’s the same story with the club level: the Los Angeles Lakers of that era were leagues ahead of a team like Split.
The Split squad mostly earned their legendary status because they played the role of the underdog—it was all heart, grit, and pure defiance. But the LA teams? They were the heavy favorites every single time they took the title, primarily because they had Drazen.

If there is any regret, it’s just that he was one of the first major European stars to jump to the NBA during that transition, and he ended up on a much tougher roster than Kukoč did.

As for debating who won more trophies in team sports, I find the whole argument pointless. Look at someone like Ashley Young—he’s collected more silverware than Gary Lineker or Francesco Totti ever did. Even in individual sports, look at the chess legends: Emanuel Lasker held the world title for twenty-seven years, while Bobby Fischer held it for two.

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Elizabeth Mendoza Elizabeth Mendoza Regular
821 messages
joined Oct 2020
#16682 ·
Stop comparing the NBA to soccer; you’re looking at two completely different worlds. In basketball, those five guys on the court have to run like a Swiss watch—everything needs to be perfectly synchronized. But in soccer? Every single elite team seems to have a couple of deadweights drifting through the first squad who barely contribute anything meaningful to the actual game.
darkseal9 darkseal9 Active Member
171 messages
joined Jan 2017
#16683 ·
Toni is an absolute beast off the bench for the Bulls!
Michael Flores8 Michael Flores8 Member
29 messages
joined Apr 2020
#16684 ·
Matthew Young35 said:I’ve been rewatching the tapes from both of them, and honestly? Drazen was playing on an entirely different plane.
Respect to Toni Kukoč and Vlade Divac, of course, but Drazen was simply a class above the rest.
I’m talking about his prime years playing over in Europe; I didn't follow the NBA quite as closely back then.

It’s the same story with the club level: the Los Angeles Lakers of that era were leagues ahead of a team like Split.
The Split squad mostly earned their legendary status because they played the role of the underdog—it was all heart, grit, and pure defiance. But the LA teams? They were the heavy favorites every single time they took the title, primarily because they had Drazen.

If there is any regret, it’s just that he was one of the first major European stars to jump to the NBA during that transition, and he ended up on a much tougher roster than Kukoč did.

As for debating who won more trophies in team sports, I find the whole argument pointless. Look at someone like Ashley Young—he’s collected more silverware than Gary Lineker or Francesco Totti ever did. Even in individual sports, look at the chess legends: Emanuel Lasker held the world title for twenty-seven years, while Bobby Fischer held it for two.

Regarding your first point, I don't quite agree; I think the Lakers were actually twice as good as Cibona rather than just three classes better.
As for your second point, you are absolutely right. Žan Tabak has a championship ring, yet guys like Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, Patrick Ewing, Reggie Miller, and many others don't. It feels like such an injustice, honestly.😁
Matthew Young35 Matthew Young35 Veteran
1.1K messages
joined Jan 2018
#16685 ·
wiredrider9 said:🐔

I am, of course, referring to those two seasons when they were reigning champions of the continent.
restlesssurfer97 restlesssurfer97 Veteran
1.2K messages
joined May 2004
#16686 ·
It’s wild how Rodman struggles to find his rhythm at the rim when you consider he was absolutely tearing it up with 27 PPG back in his college days🙏🙏🙏

I honestly totally blanked on the fact that he used to just physically dominate those guys during those losses against the Pistons, I mean the man was out there bullying Jordan and Pippen whenever he felt like it🤣
Elizabeth Mendoza Elizabeth Mendoza Regular
821 messages
joined Oct 2020
#16687 ·
darkseal9 said:Toni is an absolute beast off the bench for the Bulls!

Honestly? He was way more than just a bench player.
urbanhawk17 urbanhawk17 Regular
575 messages
joined Mar 2020
#16688 ·
Matthew Young35 said:I am, of course, referring to those two seasons when they were reigning champions of the continent.

They were so convincing back then, I guess they even snatched the national title from a team like the Boston Celtics.
Amy Nelson4 Amy Nelson4 Active Member
57 messages
joined Mar 2020
#16689 ·
Matthew Young35 said:I’ve been rewatching the tapes from both of them, and honestly? Drazen was playing on an entirely different plane.
Respect to Toni Kukoč and Vlade Divac, of course, but Drazen was simply a class above the rest.
I’m talking about his prime years playing over in Europe; I didn't follow the NBA quite as closely back then.

It’s the same story with the club level: the Los Angeles Lakers of that era were leagues ahead of a team like Split.
The Split squad mostly earned their legendary status because they played the role of the underdog—it was all heart, grit, and pure defiance. But the LA teams? They were the heavy favorites every single time they took the title, primarily because they had Drazen.

If there is any regret, it’s just that he was one of the first major European stars to jump to the NBA during that transition, and he ended up on a much tougher roster than Kukoč did.

As for debating who won more trophies in team sports, I find the whole argument pointless. Look at someone like Ashley Young—he’s collected more silverware than Gary Lineker or Francesco Totti ever did. Even in individual sports, look at the chess legends: Emanuel Lasker held the world title for twenty-seven years, while Bobby Fischer held it for two.

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Rachel Cooper3 Rachel Cooper3 Active Member
167 messages
joined May 2014
#16690 ·
Chris Paul or John Wall—Toni Kukoč?

Or

Draymond Green or Pascal Siakam—Dražen Petrović?

I’m going with the option featuring Petrović.

By the way—would a modern-day Dario Šarić have secured a ring with those Chicago Bulls? Not that Kukoč didn't contribute—but we all know who the real centerpiece was.
Jesse Sullivan5 Jesse Sullivan5 Regular
309 messages
joined Aug 2018
#16691 ·
I was just catching up with a guy who actually lived through the era of Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, and Isiah Thomas—you know, those absolute legends—and he was adamant about one thing: Toni Kukoč was the greatest of them all.
bluebison47 bluebison47 Regular
469 messages
joined Jul 2012
#16692 ·
Jesse Sullivan5 said:I was just catching up with a guy who actually lived through the era of Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, and Isiah Thomas—you know, those absolute legends—and he was adamant about one thing: Toni Kukoč was the greatest of them all.


Wait, is it the same guy?🙏
Jesse Sullivan5 Jesse Sullivan5 Regular
309 messages
joined Aug 2018
#16693 ·
bluebison47 said:Wait, is it the same guy?🙏

Nope! Not quite—I mean, I follow him for his basketball takes, but when it comes to tennis? That’s a completely different person altogether!
Elizabeth Mendoza Elizabeth Mendoza Regular
821 messages
joined Oct 2020
#16694 ·
Joker, you’re totally exposed.
restlesssurfer97 restlesssurfer97 Veteran
1.2K messages
joined May 2004
#16695 ·
We should probably just go ask someone like Bill Gates or a real expert, because he’s definitely the guy who actually knows what's going on here.
ruggedjackal46 ruggedjackal46 Regular
775 messages
joined May 2007
#16696 ·
bluebison47 said:Wait, is it the same guy?🙏

Jesse Sullivan5 works at a nursing home.☕
Matthew Young35 Matthew Young35 Veteran
1.1K messages
joined Jan 2018
#16697 ·
ruggedjackal46 said:Jesse Sullivan5 works at a nursing home.☕

In Chicago?
Elizabeth Mendoza Elizabeth Mendoza Regular
821 messages
joined Oct 2020
#16698 ·
restlesssurfer97 said:We should probably just go ask someone like Bill Gates or a real expert, because he’s definitely the guy who actually knows what's going on here.

It’s the exact same thing for basketball players. When they’re shooting, the ball stays right in their line of sight. It's incredibly dangerous if you actually bother to consult someone like Coach Miller.
Jessica Gonzalez Jessica Gonzalez Regular
769 messages
joined Mar 2012
#16699 ·
Elizabeth Mendoza said:Honestly? He was way more than just a bench player.

I guess he really was a bench player, at least in how people perceived him, and he seemed pretty comfortable in that role. It probably opens up another big debate about whether it’s better to be the sixth man for the Bulls or the leading scorer for the Nets. Either way, I think one of them was clearly more aggressive and hungry for the win—a true athlete. Maybe that's why fans tend to love and remember him more.
Joseph Clark37 Joseph Clark37 Active Member
238 messages
joined Feb 2020
#16700 ·
Jesse Sullivan5 said:https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...us-navy-pilots

Honestly, I’m telling you—it feels like we're all being watched by some kind of high-tech space police ☕

I followed this closely when it first surfaced over the Pacific and then the Atlantic. I watched the interviews with pilots who verified the footage was real and shared their take on what they saw—or rather, what shouldn't have been there. It’s fascinating how this stays mostly under the radar, especially since the Department of Defense doesn't just confirm these things, they actually release official UFO videos. But then again, who knows...

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