Psychotropic medication discussion thread

reading some posts here and I honestly can't believe what people are saying 🙄 seriously though, has anyone ever considered that life might actually be possible without all those pills? once you start thinking a specific medication helped you, you just build this mental image that they're necessary... that's exactly what psychiatrists want, to get you to accept being "sick" and fall in love with your meds, while ignoring how much damage they're actually doing to your body

I have a buddy who works in pharma, and he gave me the real scoop on how the industry works. Honestly, psychiatrists couldn't care less if you actually get better or not. Their job is just to write the script because they're basically just agents for big pharma lobbyists...

quick question—what's the actual liability for a psychiatrist if they keep forcing certain drugs on a patient, causing real physical harm even after the patient tries explaining how bad it feels? what happens next? say the patient refuses the pills because they're genuinely endangering their health, but the doctor won't listen and threatens to call the cops to have them forcibly committed for "non-compliance"🙄🙄🙄
are psychiatrists protected by the law even if their "treatment" methods end up seriously damaging a patient's health or, in the worst case, causing death? looking for an expert answer here, because it feels like they won't be happy until they've killed the patient🙄🙄🙄

how low did we sink as a society, letting a literal cult be recognized as doctors for mental illness? if they were real doctors, they could prove everything empirically like everyone else, but they never will. any diagnosis a psychiatrist makes could be challenged if there were different standards in society. like, why aren't hagiotherapists more respected than psychiatrists? would love a real, complete answer to that one, since it ties into so many different interests and things

slybison45 said:reading some posts here and I honestly can't believe what people are saying 🙄 seriously though, has anyone ever considered that life might actually be possible without all those pills? once you start thinking a specific medication helped you, you just build this mental image that they're necessary... that's exactly what psychiatrists want, to get you to accept being "sick" and fall in love with your meds, while ignoring how much damage they're actually doing to your body

I have a buddy who works in pharma, and he gave me the real scoop on how the industry works. Honestly, psychiatrists couldn't care less if you actually get better or not. Their job is just to write the script because they're basically just agents for big pharma lobbyists...

quick question—what's the actual liability for a psychiatrist if they keep forcing certain drugs on a patient, causing real physical harm even after the patient tries explaining how bad it feels? what happens next? say the patient refuses the pills because they're genuinely endangering their health, but the doctor won't listen and threatens to call the cops to have them forcibly committed for "non-compliance"🙄🙄🙄
are psychiatrists protected by the law even if their "treatment" methods end up seriously damaging a patient's health or, in the worst case, causing death? looking for an expert answer here, because it feels like they won't be happy until they've killed the patient🙄🙄🙄

how low did we sink as a society, letting a literal cult be recognized as doctors for mental illness? if they were real doctors, they could prove everything empirically like everyone else, but they never will. any diagnosis a psychiatrist makes could be challenged if there were different standards in society. like, why aren't hagiotherapists more respected than psychiatrists? would love a real, complete answer to that one, since it ties into so many different interests and things

This thread is intended for sharing experiences regarding psychotropic medication; therefore, most of your post is off-topic.
Regarding your bolded point, I would ask that you refrain from trolling. If a mentally ill person does not wish to take medication, they don't have to. If they do not wish to undergo treatment, they don't have to.
No one is forcing them.
The second option is used only if a person's behavior poses a direct threat to their own life or the lives of others. In those cases, forced treatment is permitted under the Americans with Disabilities Act.
It is a tragedy that the teacher from Pittsburgh was not forcibly hospitalized in time. Perhaps then the little girl would have had a better chance at survival.😢

Please continue, but let us stay on topic.

The person making these points has a point, but I’m not looking for a diagnosis, nor am I interested in seeing a psychiatrist—I’m not crazy. I don't touch pills, whether they're for headaches or antibiotics, but since I'm currently on parole and fully intend to stay out of trouble, I was wondering if any of this could help me manage my aggression. That’s really all there is to it. I listed the therapies currently available to me above, and don't worry about the legal side of things regarding prescriptions... I just need someone with actual experience to tell me how the QR code, Aquarium Co-Op, Valium, and those Depakine Chrono meds actually work and what the deal is with them.

slybison45 said:reading some posts here and I honestly can't believe what people are saying 🙄 seriously though, has anyone ever considered that life might actually be possible without all those pills? once you start thinking a specific medication helped you, you just build this mental image that they're necessary... that's exactly what psychiatrists want, to get you to accept being "sick" and fall in love with your meds, while ignoring how much damage they're actually doing to your body

I have a buddy who works in pharma, and he gave me the real scoop on how the industry works. Honestly, psychiatrists couldn't care less if you actually get better or not. Their job is just to write the script because they're basically just agents for big pharma lobbyists...

quick question—what's the actual liability for a psychiatrist if they keep forcing certain drugs on a patient, causing real physical harm even after the patient tries explaining how bad it feels? what happens next? say the patient refuses the pills because they're genuinely endangering their health, but the doctor won't listen and threatens to call the cops to have them forcibly committed for "non-compliance"🙄🙄🙄
are psychiatrists protected by the law even if their "treatment" methods end up seriously damaging a patient's health or, in the worst case, causing death? looking for an expert answer here, because it feels like they won't be happy until they've killed the patient🙄🙄🙄

how low did we sink as a society, letting a literal cult be recognized as doctors for mental illness? if they were real doctors, they could prove everything empirically like everyone else, but they never will. any diagnosis a psychiatrist makes could be challenged if there were different standards in society. like, why aren't hagiotherapists more respected than psychiatrists? would love a real, complete answer to that one, since it ties into so many different interests and things

Still, I suppose some people just want to keep taking certain medications for the rest of their lives. During a recent visit to my doctor, I remember seeing a man in his 60s who was absolutely livid because they had "just decided" to stop his Xanax. He kept insisting that he'd been taking it for twenty years and that the doctors were entirely to blame for him becoming dependent on it; he demanded they give him that exact Xanax because his body was specifically tuned to it. In the end, the doctor just gave in, realizing the old man was a deeply entrenched Xanax addict, and that was that.

It's a sad situation, really. But the man likely wasn't even aware that he had become a severe addict who actually needs a rehabilitation program; though at his age, I guess going through withdrawal is a daunting prospect... and there are so many people out there just like him.

Kenneth Scott41 said:Still, I suppose some people just want to keep taking certain medications for the rest of their lives. During a recent visit to my doctor, I remember seeing a man in his 60s who was absolutely livid because they had "just decided" to stop his Xanax. He kept insisting that he'd been taking it for twenty years and that the doctors were entirely to blame for him becoming dependent on it; he demanded they give him that exact Xanax because his body was specifically tuned to it. In the end, the doctor just gave in, realizing the old man was a deeply entrenched Xanax addict, and that was that.

It's a sad situation, really. But the man likely wasn't even aware that he had become a severe addict who actually needs a rehabilitation program; though at his age, I guess going through withdrawal is a daunting prospect... and there are so many people out there just like him.

Yeah, Xanax definitely causes dependency. But hey, what can you do for him? He should probably just be glad he could get his Xanax legally his whole life, instead of having to hit the streets looking for some sketchy weed to calm down like it's Xanax... I don't even know which emoji fits here.

Kenneth Scott41 said:Still, I suppose some people just want to keep taking certain medications for the rest of their lives. During a recent visit to my doctor, I remember seeing a man in his 60s who was absolutely livid because they had "just decided" to stop his Xanax. He kept insisting that he'd been taking it for twenty years and that the doctors were entirely to blame for him becoming dependent on it; he demanded they give him that exact Xanax because his body was specifically tuned to it. In the end, the doctor just gave in, realizing the old man was a deeply entrenched Xanax addict, and that was that.

It's a sad situation, really. But the man likely wasn't even aware that he had become a severe addict who actually needs a rehabilitation program; though at his age, I guess going through withdrawal is a daunting prospect... and there are so many people out there just like him.

That "old man" sounds more like my ninety-year-old neighbor than this sixty-year-old fellow—I mean, if anyone could set the record straight, it would be someone like Joe Rogan or maybe a seasoned veteran of the medical field. Regardless, you all seem surprised, yet the reality is that most of us will likely find ourselves on psychotropic drugs for the rest of our lives... whether it's Xanax, a Xanax Ad, or Valium... it hardly matters. It's the cycle of life: the illness recedes, then resurfaces under the weight of some new stressor, and before you know it, you're just another old man or woman caught in the grip of dependency. I'm right there in the trenches with you; the only difference is I've "only" been at it for a few years, and I've already been feeling the effects for quite some time now.🙂

@Jason Vaughn482 - I suppose you laid that out quite brilliantly 😁 though, personally, I don't find myself worrying about it too much

Dana Hayes3 said:The person making these points has a point, but I’m not looking for a diagnosis, nor am I interested in seeing a psychiatrist—I’m not crazy. I don't touch pills, whether they're for headaches or antibiotics, but since I'm currently on parole and fully intend to stay out of trouble, I was wondering if any of this could help me manage my aggression. That’s really all there is to it. I listed the therapies currently available to me above, and don't worry about the legal side of things regarding prescriptions... I just need someone with actual experience to tell me how the QR code, Aquarium Co-Op, Valium, and those Depakine Chrono meds actually work and what the deal is with them.

Look, you simply cannot suppress aggressive tendencies if you are fueling that fire with alcohol; mixing booze with any of the medications you mentioned is a recipe for disaster. It can be absolutely fatal, or worse, it could trigger an even more violent surge in your aggression. We are talking about antipsychotics and antidepressants here—they aren't magic switches; they take time to settle into your system. My advice? When you head out, stay sober. I mean, surely you aren't prone to these outbursts when you're stone-cold sober, right?🤷

Look, I’ll be the first to admit that being sober doesn't stop me from getting aggressive, though I don't hit a breaking point quite as fast. It’s just that once I step out into the world... there are way too many idiots out there, whether they're drunk or just naturally obnoxious. Whether I've had a drink or not, those people push my buttons, and before I know it, I'm losing my cool. Does anyone else deal with this? I'm wondering if there's actually a way to level things out a bit. I'm tempted to have a drink right now just to numb it, but then I'm left wondering if I'll even wake up tomorrow or what kind of mess I'll be in. So, I'm asking for some perspective if anyone has been through this.

I’m asking for someone with actual expertise to step in and explain to this guy what psychiatric medications actually are. I am standing firmly behind everything > wrote... the woman really gave it her all.
These aren't exactly candy when you're just craving a little sugar.
We have people here dealing with serious disorders and clinical diagnoses... individuals who rely on their prescribed medication just to stabilize their lives enough to function, and more often than not, just to survive at all.
If you don't grasp the gravity of this, you really shouldn't be trolling.
You don't truly understand something until you've experienced it firsthand—what these types of drugs are designed to do and why anyone would ever need to take them.

George Allen71 said:I’m asking for someone with actual expertise to step in and explain to this guy what psychiatric medications actually are. I am standing firmly behind everything > wrote... the woman really gave it her all.
These aren't exactly candy when you're just craving a little sugar.
We have people here dealing with serious disorders and clinical diagnoses... individuals who rely on their prescribed medication just to stabilize their lives enough to function, and more often than not, just to survive at all.
If you don't grasp the gravity of this, you really shouldn't be trolling.
You don't truly understand something until you've experienced it firsthand—what these types of drugs are designed to do and why anyone would ever need to take them.

most mental illnesses are incurable anyway, so plenty of people stay sick whether they take the pills or not. a lot of folks say they only feel remotely normal when they're off all medication

Man, honestly, it feels like almost everyone ends up hooked on meds after a few years of treatment... I guess some people are lucky enough to never have to deal with a psychiatrist in their entire lives. 🙏crewy:

slybison45 said:most mental illnesses are incurable anyway, so plenty of people stay sick whether they take the pills or not. a lot of folks say they only feel remotely normal when they're off all medication

Are you actually some kind of expert here, or are you just talking out of your ass?

If you actually put in the hard work through psychotherapy—even if it's exhausting and feels like an uphill battle—it's possible to change. People CAN change.

feralstag72 said:Are you actually some kind of expert here, or are you just talking out of your ass?

If you actually put in the hard work through psychotherapy—even if it's exhausting and feels like an uphill battle—it's possible to change. People CAN change.

I agree. Psychotherapy is key, but it shouldn't rely solely on psychiatric medication; instead, we need a proper combination of correct pharmacology and psychotherapy. What I emphasized in all caps—true, accurate pharmacology—is unfortunately quite a rarity in today's medical landscape.

Chloe Hughes6 said:I agree. Psychotherapy is key, but it shouldn't rely solely on psychiatric medication; instead, we need a proper combination of correct pharmacology and psychotherapy. What I emphasized in all caps—true, accurate pharmacology—is unfortunately quite a rarity in today's medical landscape.

I know plenty of people who have turned things around without ever touching a pill

but that’s a whole different conversation

if you need the medication, then you need it.

feralstag72 said:I know plenty of people who have turned things around without ever touching a pill

but that’s a whole different conversation

if you need the medication, then you need it.

People here aren't really looking to hear that kind of thing, so I don't think it's even worth arguing about... plus, imagine ending up in a psych ward and trying to tell them you don't need medication. Just look at how Jack ends up in that classic movie One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest on ABC... he was a rebel against the whole system, insisting he was perfectly fine, and well, we all know how that turned out

Justin Rogers5 said:I'm stuck working night shifts constantly. I get maybe seven hours to eat and crash before I have to head right back into work.🤷Basically, I need something that knocks me out instantly, but if I walked into my doctor's office asking for that, they’d laugh me out the door. I just need sleep. I'm on edge, irritable, and honestly, a danger to everyone around me.🤣I don't know what's wrong with me. I spend all afternoon working, then when I finally sit down to watch some soap opera, I'll pass out for an hour and that's it—then I'm just tossing and turning all night when I really need to be solid.🤷I was going to pick up some Xanax at the pharmacy today (the ladies there always look out for me, usually letting me leave with $100 less than the full price)

There's your issue right there. Don't nap in the afternoon if you don't want to spend all night tossing and turning...

I'm suffering from the exact same thing.

slybison45 said:People here aren't really looking to hear that kind of thing, so I don't think it's even worth arguing about... plus, imagine ending up in a psych ward and trying to tell them you don't need medication. Just look at how Jack ends up in that classic movie One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest on ABC... he was a rebel against the whole system, insisting he was perfectly fine, and well, we all know how that turned out

I'm not sure which part of my post went over your head.

I personally know plenty of people—and I've seen enough cases—where panic attacks and anxiety were managed solely through solid psychotherapy without any meds.

I also realize that for some folks, life just isn't manageable without pills.

But I also know that the first thing they'll do when you show up at a mental health facility is pump you full of drugs—basically treating you like a lab rat because they aren't actually equipped to handle anything else.

You see, I actually went out of my way to ask in that psychopharmacology thread how those specific therapies work and if anyone had any real-world experience with them. Instead, all I got was a bunch of people acting like experts, spouting nonsense that didn't make a lick of sense. So, on Tuesday right before heading out, I decided to take three 200mg doses of Eglonyl, and man, I am still feeling it. It’s like I’ve been living in a dream state for the last two days... it was honestly pretty gross. 🙂 😠 This stuff is heavy; I can practically feel it frying my brain. And what am I supposed to do? Walk into a psychiatrist's office and admit how easily I can spiral? If I tell them that, they’ll just hand me some even more intense prescription or something even harder, and I am telling you now—absolutely NOT happening!

Dana Hayes3 said:You see, I actually went out of my way to ask in that psychopharmacology thread how those specific therapies work and if anyone had any real-world experience with them. Instead, all I got was a bunch of people acting like experts, spouting nonsense that didn't make a lick of sense. So, on Tuesday right before heading out, I decided to take three 200mg doses of Eglonyl, and man, I am still feeling it. It’s like I’ve been living in a dream state for the last two days... it was honestly pretty gross. 🙂 😠 This stuff is heavy; I can practically feel it frying my brain. And what am I supposed to do? Walk into a psychiatrist's office and admit how easily I can spiral? If I tell them that, they’ll just hand me some even more intense prescription or something even harder, and I am telling you now—absolutely NOT happening!

Three 200mg doses??????

I've been on therapy for a year at most, and I only take two 10mg doses.

Okay, it's not the exact same medication... but 200 mg?????