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Jason Vaughn482 Jason Vaughn482 Regular
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#3681 ·
Hannah Foster6 said:So, what's actually causing your insomnia in the first place? And how long before you hit the hay do you usually take the Calixta?

To be perfectly honest, my doctor prescribed that medication to tackle both my insomnia and act as an antidepressant, but looking back, I regret ever starting it. I don't truly struggle with depression, and when it came to managing my anxiety and those paralyzing bouts of fear, it felt like it barely made a dent. Since I still have one box left over, I’ll reach for it on those rare nights when sleep feels completely impossible, but that’s the end of the line; my doctor has transitioned me over to Zoloft, which I haven't even started yet. I find myself in this frustrating limbo where I can't seem to figure out what actually helps me drift off; for now, I've been getting by with Valium, but I'm desperate for some real advice—something effective that isn't a heavy-duty antipsychotic. Though, if I'm being cynical, I suspect such a solution might not even exist.
restlesstrucker15 restlesstrucker15 Regular
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#3682 ·
wiredmason56 said:So, right now I'm on 75mg of Effexor, and my psychiatrist suggested adding Wellbutrin XL 150 mg, so I'm still weighing my options. The Effexor feels okay most of the time, but the side effects are a bit much—mostly some mild nausea, dilated pupils... kind of feels like I'm on some sort of stimulant, plus this hyperactive feeling that gets on my nerves a little. I might switch over to Wellbutrin eventually. In the meantime, I take Helix or Lustral whenever the anxiety hits, even though I'm technically supposed to take them three times a day. My doctor also prescribed Tegretol as a stabilizer to take before bed, but I tried it a couple of times and had these absolute horror stories during the night, so no thanks to that. That's why I'm looking into a hypnotic for those specific nights when sleep just won't come, because I really want to stay away from anything in the antipsychotic category.

wiredmason56, I am certainly not a medical professional, but I would strongly advise having a thorough discussion with your psychiatrist. Both Effexor and especially Wellbutrin can be quite stimulating, and it is perfectly common for them to cause insomnia. Not everyone reacts this way, of course, but it varies by individual. It seems to me that you fall into that category of people who feel like they are on cocaine when taking them—which is exactly what I told my own doctor. I am curious about the primary reason for your antidepressant prescription. If it is strictly for depression, then the medication is intended to lift your mood; however, if you are primarily dealing with anxiety or panic attacks, these specific drugs might just increase your agitation. If you aren't experiencing heavy depression, you might find Lexapro or Paxil more suitable. Your best course of action is to talk to her, describe these sensations in detail, and let her make the clinical assessment. You should also ask about alternative sleep aids. My psychiatrist often provides a few sample pills for me to test before she writes a formal prescription or official report, and I usually follow up with her via phone or text after a few days to report how I am doing.
Regarding the insomnia, if it is being driven by the underlying condition you are treating, then sleep is often the last thing to stabilize without pharmacological intervention. Generally speaking, once we begin to feel better or reach stability, the insomnia tends to resolve itself. However, it is certainly not helpful if your antidepressant is actively exacerbating the problem.
redcrane22 redcrane22 Active Member
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#3683 ·
restlesstrucker15 said:
I find myself reflecting on the recent discussions regarding pharmacological interventions and their long-term implications for cognitive stability. It is my firm belief that we must approach these chemical adjustments with a heightened sense of caution, moving beyond mere symptom management toward a more holistic understanding of neurological health. While some may advocate for rapid shifts in medication, I have always favored a more measured, deliberate pace to ensure the mind remains unclouded by unnecessary fluctuations. kaže:
Sanval isn't working for me anymore; or rather, it’s working in ways it absolutely shouldn't. I'm sitting here wondering what kind of quality hypnotic I should ask my doctor about at my next check-up. When I can't sleep, I honestly feel like I'm losing my mind—the next day is always a complete write-off.😠I plan to consult my doctor regarding Dormicum. I have heard quite a bit about its efficacy, and my intention is to take it immediately before heading to bed. I want to avoid that restless, aimless pacing around the house that I used to experience after taking those ineffective doses of Sanval.🙄

Yes, Dormicum will certainly knock you out, though you should be careful because the dosage here in the States is often around 7.5 mg, whereas our local supply can go up to 15 mg. I would suggest starting with just half a dose first. If that doesn't do the trick, it's unlikely any other hypnotics available alongside Zolpidem—such as Zan, Cerson, or Fluzepam—will work for you either. I have heard that some people find relief from much lower doses of antipsychotics, perhaps between 25 and 50 mg of Quetiapine or Seroquel, but I don't have any personal experience with that, and frankly, I would prefer not to rely on antipsychotics just to fix my insomnia. You really need to sit down and have a serious conversation with your doctor about this, but definitely ask about the Dormicum and let me know how it goes. What does your current medication regimen look like? On Monday, I am planning to ask my physician if adding Elicei Valdoxan in the evening might help; it's an antidepressant, but apparently, it can also address sleep issues. I'll see what they have to say.

The thing about Quetiapine is that it knocks you out in about an hour, but then you feel like you’re walking through molasses the next morning. You just can't get moving.
fadedbear92 fadedbear92 Veteran
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#3684 ·
redcrane22 said:The thing about Quetiapine is that it knocks you out in about an hour, but then you feel like you’re walking through molasses the next morning. You just can't get moving.

Well, obviously—it's an antipsychotic.

1. WHAT IS Q-PIN AND WHAT IS IT USED FOR?
Q-PIN belongs to the class of antipsychotics.
It is used to alleviate symptoms of schizophrenia, such as hallucinations (like hearing voices that aren't there), intrusive or scary thoughts, behavioral changes, social withdrawal, and confusion.
Q-PIN is also utilized in treating manic mood disorders, specifically when someone feels overly hyperactive, needs very little sleep, talks excessively, experiences racing thoughts, or becomes highly irritable.

http://www.mayoclinic.org
Matthew White4 Matthew White4 Active Member
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#3685 ·
It’s funny, because Halcion hits me exactly the same way Valium does. I end up taking two at a time just to get anything done. It’s basically the same level of knockout...
restlesstrucker15 restlesstrucker15 Regular
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#3686 ·
redcrane22 said:The thing about Quetiapine is that it knocks you out in about an hour, but then you feel like you’re walking through molasses the next morning. You just can't get moving.

I wouldn't call myself a proponent of using antipsychotics for insomnia, yet I often wonder why psychiatrists suggest them—perhaps they view them as a last resort.🤷 Wait, does 25 mg of Quetiapine really cause such intense palpitations in you the following day? I truly hope they approve some newer sleep aids soon; here in the States, there's a version of Valium with extended release—it doesn't go by that specific name, but the formula is identical. That would be a significant improvement.🙂 My only confusion lies in why that blasted Circadin is categorized as a hypnotic; it’s overpriced, and frankly, I don't think it works for anyone. Perhaps it helps those who usually respond well to herbal remedies, where the melatonin actually induces sleep. I find myself quite envious of them.😉
restlesstrucker15 restlesstrucker15 Regular
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#3687 ·
restlesstrucker15 said:I wouldn't call myself a proponent of using antipsychotics for insomnia, yet I often wonder why psychiatrists suggest them—perhaps they view them as a last resort.🤷 Wait, does 25 mg of Quetiapine really cause such intense palpitations in you the following day? I truly hope they approve some newer sleep aids soon; here in the States, there's a version of Valium with extended release—it doesn't go by that specific name, but the formula is identical. That would be a significant improvement.🙂 My only confusion lies in why that blasted Circadin is categorized as a hypnotic; it’s overpriced, and frankly, I don't think it works for anyone. Perhaps it helps those who usually respond well to herbal remedies, where the melatonin actually induces sleep. I find myself quite envious of them.😉

I wanted to pass along a perspective from a psychiatrist I read on a medical forum regarding what steps to take when hypnotics simply stop working:

'Dormicum is an effective hypnotic for short-term use, which doesn't apply to your situation since you have been using it for quite a while. Increasing your Dormicum dosage is not the solution. Regardless, until you can manage your anxiety with an antidepressant, you might consider taking 25 mg of Seroquel, gradually increasing the dose up to 100 mg before bed. It isn't habit-forming and should help you sleep.'
fadedbear92 fadedbear92 Veteran
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#3688 ·
Beyond just antipsychotics, people often use anticonvulsants too—I actually tried Tegretol myself, and it was a total lifesaver for my sleep. Right now, I’m on a combo of Prazin and Sanval, but honestly, the Sanval isn't doing much for me at all.
http://www.centar-zdravlja.net/image...898834_32.pdf

This is a really solid read regarding antipsychotics.

Basically, in people with schizophrenia, dopamine levels in the brain are sky-high—they're constantly wired—so they need heavy-duty antipsychotics to bring them back down to earth. On the flip side, a lack of dopamine can trigger depression, and if that deficiency gets severe enough, you're looking at Parkinson's disease.
Hannah Foster6 Hannah Foster6 Member
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#3689 ·
Anyone else catch this?
restlesstrucker15 restlesstrucker15 Regular
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#3690 ·
fadedbear92 said:Beyond just antipsychotics, people often use anticonvulsants too—I actually tried Tegretol myself, and it was a total lifesaver for my sleep. Right now, I’m on a combo of Prazin and Sanval, but honestly, the Sanval isn't doing much for me at all.
http://www.centar-zdravlja.net/image...898834_32.pdf

This is a really solid read regarding antipsychotics.

Basically, in people with schizophrenia, dopamine levels in the brain are sky-high—they're constantly wired—so they need heavy-duty antipsychotics to bring them back down to earth. On the flip side, a lack of dopamine can trigger depression, and if that deficiency gets severe enough, you're looking at Parkinson's disease.

I understand, Rejica, what you are taking. 🙂 I haven't been active on the forum for quite some time, but I truly hope you are doing well. I plan to consult my doctor tomorrow regarding that Valdoxan, and once I have more information, I will send you a private message so we don't burden the other members here.🙂
David Harris69 David Harris69 Newcomer
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#3691 ·
fadedbear92 said:Beyond just antipsychotics, people often use anticonvulsants too—I actually tried Tegretol myself, and it was a total lifesaver for my sleep. Right now, I’m on a combo of Prazin and Sanval, but honestly, the Sanval isn't doing much for me at all.
http://www.centar-zdravlja.net/image...898834_32.pdf

This is a really solid read regarding antipsychotics.

Basically, in people with schizophrenia, dopamine levels in the brain are sky-high—they're constantly wired—so they need heavy-duty antipsychotics to bring them back down to earth. On the flip side, a lack of dopamine can trigger depression, and if that deficiency gets severe enough, you're looking at Parkinson's disease.

Me, personally? I wasn't even wired, just dealing with psychosis... I guess antipsychotics aren't always about calming someone down, since you don't have to be agitated to be in psychosis. Maybe they're more about pulling us back to reality🙂
fadedbear92 fadedbear92 Veteran
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#3692 ·
David Harris69 said:Me, personally? I wasn't even wired, just dealing with psychosis... I guess antipsychotics aren't always about calming someone down, since you don't have to be agitated to be in psychosis. Maybe they're more about pulling us back to reality🙂

I don't know much about psychosis myself—so, thanks for sharing that perspective, it's good to know.
Jason Vaughn482 Jason Vaughn482 Regular
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#3693 ·
restlesstrucker15 said:I wouldn't call myself a proponent of using antipsychotics for insomnia, yet I often wonder why psychiatrists suggest them—perhaps they view them as a last resort.🤷 Wait, does 25 mg of Quetiapine really cause such intense palpitations in you the following day? I truly hope they approve some newer sleep aids soon; here in the States, there's a version of Valium with extended release—it doesn't go by that specific name, but the formula is identical. That would be a significant improvement.🙂 My only confusion lies in why that blasted Circadin is categorized as a hypnotic; it’s overpriced, and frankly, I don't think it works for anyone. Perhaps it helps those who usually respond well to herbal remedies, where the melatonin actually induces sleep. I find myself quite envious of them.😉

As for me, taking the extended-release version of Sanval... getting to sleep is an uphill battle, a real struggle, but once I finally drift off, I find it nearly impossible to drag myself out of bed before 10 AM, and even then, I’m craving more sleep. I'll wake up around 6 AM, but I just immediately roll over onto my other side... unless I'm going through one of my crises, in which case I either wake up feeling absolutely miserable or I don't sleep at all... thank God that isn't a daily occurrence.
Kenneth Scott41 Kenneth Scott41 Regular
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#3694 ·
If I take 100mg of Seroquel in the evening, I always—and I mean always—sleep right through until about 1:00 PM, much like 😁. I'll try setting an alarm for 10:00 AM, but even that isn't enough to actually get me moving; it just kind of jolts me awake for a moment before I drift right back into a deep sleep. Getting up any earlier feels like a total impossibility. It honestly takes me at least an hour just to feel remotely human again.🙂
Kenneth Scott41 Kenneth Scott41 Regular
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#3695 ·
By the way, I guess you ever wonder what actually takes out those famous rock stars? Some succumb to pure stimulants, sure, and others to various combinations, but more often than not, it seems to be a cocktail of morphine-based painkillers mixed with far too much Xanax and alcohol.

What I mean is, most of them were likely cycling through antidepressants and benzodiazepines—things like Valium or Ativan—all at once.
It feels like everyone here is following a similar script, taking at least one anxiolytic alongside an antidepressant.🙂

The connection just kind of struck me.🙂
redcrane22 redcrane22 Active Member
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#3696 ·
Kenneth Scott41 said:If I take 100mg of Seroquel in the evening, I always—and I mean always—sleep right through until about 1:00 PM, much like 😁. I'll try setting an alarm for 10:00 AM, but even that isn't enough to actually get me moving; it just kind of jolts me awake for a moment before I drift right back into a deep sleep. Getting up any earlier feels like a total impossibility. It honestly takes me at least an hour just to feel remotely human again.🙂

That's exactly what I'm talking about.

I think you and I are pretty much on the same wavelength here.😁 😍

The funniest part, though, is the reason my doctor prescribed the Q-pin.

She knows I’m actually trying to put on some weight, even though my mental health is totally stable.😁
wiredmason56 wiredmason56 Active Member
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#3697 ·
☕So, I had my checkup today, and my psychiatrist decided to swap out my Carbatrol for some Clonazepam 2mg. The plan is to take it once a day before bed since it acts as a stabilizer and helps me chill out. On top of that, instead of the Effexor, he switched me over to Wellbutrin XL in the mornings and added Lorazepam 3x1 to the mix. Honestly, though, I mostly just take the Lorazepam as needed whenever the heavy anxiety or panic attacks start hitting; it settles me down so much faster than Lexapro, which sometimes made me feel weirdly aggressive if I took too much.🙄Anyway, I’m just going to have to see how the Wellbutrin treats me. Lately, this depression has been shadowing me pretty relentlessly, and my moods have been swinging all over the place within a single day—it's been a total mess.
Jason Vaughn482 Jason Vaughn482 Regular
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#3698 ·
Kenneth Scott41 said:By the way, I guess you ever wonder what actually takes out those famous rock stars? Some succumb to pure stimulants, sure, and others to various combinations, but more often than not, it seems to be a cocktail of morphine-based painkillers mixed with far too much Xanax and alcohol.

What I mean is, most of them were likely cycling through antidepressants and benzodiazepines—things like Valium or Ativan—all at once.
It feels like everyone here is following a similar script, taking at least one anxiolytic alongside an antidepressant.🙂

The connection just kind of struck me.🙂

But really, how much Xanax is "too much" when you factor in the alcohol?
I'm not entirely following your logic here.
Kenneth Scott41 Kenneth Scott41 Regular
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#3699 ·
redcrane22 said:That's exactly what I'm talking about.

I think you and I are pretty much on the same wavelength here.😁 😍

The funniest part, though, is the reason my doctor prescribed the Q-pin.

She knows I’m actually trying to put on some weight, even though my mental health is totally stable.😁

hey, you didn't mention that—why exactly are you looking to gain weight?

😍
Anthony Lopez8 Anthony Lopez8 Active Member
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#3700 ·
Jason Vaughn482 said:But really, how much Xanax is "too much" when you factor in the alcohol?
I'm not entirely following your logic here.

That’s a question I’d love to have answered myself. Every time I read a news report about someone—usually by complete accident—dying from mixing benzos and booze, I find myself wondering how on earth they manage to pull that off.
During one particular suicidal episode, I washed down two entire bottles of Xanax with a bottle of vodka, and the only outcome was waking up two days later face-down in my own vomit. 😕 🤷 😂

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