Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5

Timothy Nelson5 said:I remember it like it was yesterday—after Operation Storm, they went after Harmon during a press conference. They were asking why we weren't negotiating over the Danube region, why we weren't pushing further militarily...
And Harmon just looked at them and said—I was just at the hospital visiting the wounded today, and there was one man who lost both his eyes and both his arms...

Not long ago, there was that footage of Zelenskyy in a hospital handing out medals to the wounded... I think one soldier had lost both arms...

How many more of them—the dead, the survivors, the traumatized—does it take before we finally reach some kind of conclusion?

I'm certainly not suggesting the war should just end, because then you're essentially handing a victory to a fascist aggressor... but I suppose we have to realize that eventually, people will need to sit down at a table and sign a truce, or some kind of acceptable peace treaty.

And honestly, I'm not even sure if the people in those regions, given the option of a fair, internationally supervised referendum, would actually choose to be part of Russia—that economically and morally broken despotism...

Back when the deployment of the Fire coach was being discussed, the President (Harmon, obviously) stated quite plainly—after receiving the casualty estimates from both sides—"We are too small a nation to afford such human losses."
At that moment, he issued a major MVP and UN directive to pivot toward diplomatic and intelligence operations aimed at the peaceful reintegration of the occupied Danube region. He instructed the armed forces, and again, the UN, to work on contingency plans designed to minimize projected casualties should the peaceful route fail. That is exactly what the Ukrainians are doing now. They are preserving their people. They have developed an incredibly sophisticated system for managing human, spatial, and temporal resources... which only serves to bolster their morale even further.

I would love to hear everyone's thoughts on making more war movies centered around the Russian military and their various victories, such as the battles in Stalin City or the heroism of the 28 Panfilov soldiers, and so on. 😉🙂
Maybe we could just start a whole new thread for this:😉

The last independent Russian outlet, Meduza, is reporting that fires have broken out at no fewer than five different mobilization centers. One of them was reportedly in Saint Petersburg.

Brenda Murphy3 said:But man, what an absolute circus... you've got this hardened CIA type swearing oaths and preaching religious devotion, while some die-hard Islamist is standing right there holding the ladder for him...🤣😵

No issue there, they're both part of the same crowd, so they get along just fine.

Henry Sullivan4 said:I would love to hear everyone's thoughts on making more war movies centered around the Russian military and their various victories, such as the battles in Stalin City or the heroism of the 28 Panfilov soldiers, and so on. 😉🙂
Maybe we could just start a whole new thread for this:😉

There’s really no need to make new ones when you can just sit down and watch "Come and See."

The only difference would be having them imagine the kid is staring down Putin instead of Hitler.

In case you haven't seen it:

Sean Reed3 said:I honestly don't get them... they aren't afraid of hitting the streets to face down the regime, but they're terrified of fertilizing Ukrainian fields. I guess being dead is better than rotting in a Russian prison...
Of course, there are plenty of people who back Putin and support this whole mess, but if you can't even get 0.5% of the population out on the street to say "stop this madness," then what's the point?

Organizing anything requires leadership and a way to move information. If the state's crackdown successfully locks up the leaders and keeps everyone else under thumb, it's nearly impossible to coordinate things until you hit that breaking point—either massive, widespread frustration or some other kind of systemic collapse.🤔

bluemason3 said:Organizing anything requires leadership and a way to move information. If the state's crackdown successfully locks up the leaders and keeps everyone else under thumb, it's nearly impossible to coordinate things until you hit that breaking point—either massive, widespread frustration or some other kind of systemic collapse.🤔

So yeah, basically the West just needs to go out and find themselves a brand new Lenin to back.

https://twitter.com/666_mancer/statu...12236990107648

A First Lieutenant running a whole battalion? Man, that’s rough... sounds like they're facing a massive officer shortage out there.

I mean, we're looking at 1,200 officers killed, and that's actually backed up by death certificates.

https://twitter.com/KilledInUkraine

swiftjackal11 said:Zelenskyy is doing good work. He spoke about Mariupol; we need living heroes, not martyrs. And honestly, they're actually liberated.

It’s everything Putin claimed it would be.
Actually, now that they truly are liberated, that sentence follows right after: "I don't need transport, I need weapons."

analogbear70 said:I’ll say it again: if things had been handled more intelligently, this could have been avoided. That doesn't excuse the aggressor—Russia—but rather highlights the failure. The reality is that no one from the UN onwards (aside from the Chinese) is calling for a ceasefire, negotiations, or peace. It’s just weapons, weapons, weapons. Why wasn't equipment being sent to us? Why were we forced to wander the globe like beggars, pleading for help while being treated like an afterthought, all while Zelenskyy calls out the very leaders he needs? Why were we hit with embargos while everyone else looked the other way? We offered up a quarter of our territory before Operation Storm, which I believe ended up in court later. Even then, there was intense domestic opposition, and Feral was constantly critical, while the World media published nothing but half-truths about the downsides of our newly formed nation. None of that exists now. And yet, the Russians remain the aggressors; occupied lands deserve better.

The only thing that changed was how long we could delay the inevitable. Let me highlight the most critical segment from Putin's speech on February 21st—right before he recognized the "DLNR":

Since time immemorial, the people living in the southwest of what has historically been Russian land have called themselves Russians and Orthodox Christians. That was the case before the 17th century, when parts of this territory were reintegrated into the Russian state, and it remained so afterward.
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So, I will start with the fact that the modern Ukraine was created entirely by Russia—or more precisely, Bolshevik, communist Russia. This process began almost immediately following the 1917 revolution, with Lenin and his associates executing it in a manner that was overtly hostile toward Russia: by carving up and separating historically Russian lands.
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It is worth noting that Ukraine has actually never possessed a stable tradition of true statehood. Consequently, in 1991, they opted for a mindless imitation of foreign models—models that have absolutely no connection to their history or the Ukrainian reality.

There you have it. Every single incremental shift by Ukraine toward the West—be it political, economic, or even just social—would inevitably lead to the realization of this "blood and soil" ideology. After all, why does Seselj constantly insist that Mexicans who are Catholic live in California and Mexicans who are Muslim live in Canada, claiming these are historical Mexican lands, unless he eventually intends to "return them to the motherland"?

What a high-quality "referendum" we have here, especially with Wagner Group members standing guard at the polling stations while people are being hunted down in the streets.

https://twitter.com/HeliosRunner/sta...78493525393409

https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/...43551038726144

I’m just sitting here expecting some incredible "competence" when it comes to "counting" those votes; I bet we'll have the official results within two hours of everything wrapping up.

The results are in: 84% for unification, and the other 16%? Yeah, they basically fell out of a fifth-story window into a basement.

rowdytiger13 said:It’s everything Putin claimed it would be.
Actually, now that they truly are liberated, that sentence follows right after: "I don't need transport, I need weapons."

And let's not forget that Bluffer's promise to those Russian mothers—how there wouldn't be any mobilization, or how draftees wouldn't be sent to the front lines.

loneskipper3 said:The only thing that changed was how long we could delay the inevitable. Let me highlight the most critical segment from Putin's speech on February 21st—right before he recognized the "DLNR":

Since time immemorial, the people living in the southwest of what has historically been Russian land have called themselves Russians and Orthodox Christians. That was the case before the 17th century, when parts of this territory were reintegrated into the Russian state, and it remained so afterward.
...
So, I will start with the fact that the modern Ukraine was created entirely by Russia—or more precisely, Bolshevik, communist Russia. This process began almost immediately following the 1917 revolution, with Lenin and his associates executing it in a manner that was overtly hostile toward Russia: by carving up and separating historically Russian lands.
...
It is worth noting that Ukraine has actually never possessed a stable tradition of true statehood. Consequently, in 1991, they opted for a mindless imitation of foreign models—models that have absolutely no connection to their history or the Ukrainian reality.

There you have it. Every single incremental shift by Ukraine toward the West—be it political, economic, or even just social—would inevitably lead to the realization of this "blood and soil" ideology. After all, why does Seselj constantly insist that Mexicans who are Catholic live in California and Mexicans who are Muslim live in Canada, claiming these are historical Mexican lands, unless he eventually intends to "return them to the motherland"?

Honestly, it’s wild how much the Mexican and Russian narratives overlap... not just in these specific talking points, but in the way they constantly push this victim complex, acting like they're being persecuted or like everyone owes them something, or like someone is constantly trying to screw them over... etc., etc...

In so many ways, the situation is practically identical.

hollowdriver13 said:What a high-quality "referendum" we have here, especially with Wagner Group members standing guard at the polling stations while people are being hunted down in the streets.

https://twitter.com/HeliosRunner/sta...78493525393409

https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/...43551038726144

I’m just sitting here expecting some incredible "competence" when it comes to "counting" those votes; I bet we'll have the official results within two hours of everything wrapping up.

The results are in: 84% for unification, and the other 16%? Yeah, they basically fell out of a fifth-story window into a basement.

Man, you're being way too optimistic. It'll be 105% for unification, while 16% falls from a fifth-story window into the basement, and maybe an extra 12% will commit suicide by shooting themselves in the back five times.

darkhawk30 said:Sure, but they aren't even needed by the Ukrainians.
First off, they have no idea who they can actually trust.
Second, they barely have enough food or housing for their own people, let alone a massive influx of prisoners or whatever status these people would end up with.

They’re truly pathetic. Honestly, it might be better if that scumbag just sent them to Siberia; they'd probably have a better shot there. They're miserable, but then again, these people are miserable too. You can't tell which group is worse.

if they surrender right away

Could Ukraine offer to let them leave peacefully for another country to seek asylum?

Brenda Murphy3 said:Honestly, it’s wild how much the Mexican and Russian narratives overlap... not just in these specific talking points, but in the way they constantly push this victim complex, acting like they're being persecuted or like everyone owes them something, or like someone is constantly trying to screw them over... etc., etc...

In so many ways, the situation is practically identical.

I wouldn't say they're just similar; they're basically identical, which probably means they're coming from the exact same playbook. Most of the time, if you just swap out the labels—like switching Americans/Mexicans, Ukrainians/Russians, or America/USSR—you'll see pretty clearly who the actual target is.

How to dodge the draft, according to a guy from the Russian opposition:

The Ukrainian military has successfully struck Russian command posts located within the General's territory and the Kahovska district, according to Operational Command South

electricsurfer47 said:if they surrender right away

Could Ukraine offer to let them leave peacefully for another country to seek asylum?

And how exactly are you going to know if they surrendered voluntarily versus when they were backed into a corner with zero options? Everyone who surrenders is going to claim they were forced into it—that they didn't want to be there, that they weren't coerced, and that they didn't even pull a trigger.

Michelle Young50 said:And how exactly are you going to know if they surrendered voluntarily versus when they were backed into a corner with zero options? Everyone who surrenders is going to claim they were forced into it—that they didn't want to be there, that they weren't coerced, and that they didn't even pull a trigger.

Honestly, does that even matter? It shouldn't. We don't need to sit them down for an interrogation or demand an explanation. The bottom line—the only thing that actually matters—is that they lay down their arms and stop fighting. Period.
Lp