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Sanctions on Russia

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silentnomad7 silentnomad7 Active Member
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joined Jan 2018
#4021 ·
If those guys at the gas station actually managed to get their act together, even here in the States, prices would drop way below $2.75.
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Nancy Gomez26 Nancy Gomez26 Regular
787 messages
joined Jan 2018
#4022 ·
goldenowl73 said:It looks like those leased planes that Russia is refusing to return are starting to pop up all over the globe.

#Aeroflot is not happy with Sri Lanka. The Russian carrier had an Airbus A330 seized while it was about to take from Colombo at the request of an Irish lessor Celestial Aviation.
● Can you believe this? The whole plane ✈ was packed with people who ended up having to get off mid-trip. https://twitter.com/jason_corcoran/s...Jt-4HpU_g&s=19

Perhaps their most logical move would be to establish an entirely new airline and transfer all the planes they actually purchased and paid for into it. That way, it becomes much harder for creditors to seize assets based on the overdue lease payments currently piling up against their existing carrier.
Nancy Gomez26 Nancy Gomez26 Regular
787 messages
joined Jan 2018
#4023 ·
goldenowl73 said:It looks like those leased planes that Russia is refusing to return are starting to pop up all over the globe.

#Aeroflot is not happy with Sri Lanka. The Russian carrier had an Airbus A330 seized while it was about to take from Colombo at the request of an Irish lessor Celestial Aviation.
● Can you believe this? The whole plane ✈ was packed with people who ended up having to get off mid-trip. https://twitter.com/jason_corcoran/s...Jt-4HpU_g&s=19

It appears Aeroflot sent one of those very hijacked planes on a flight to Sri Lanka. Word on an aviation forum is that authorities had supposedly promised them their fleet wouldn't be seized, regardless of what they sent over. The Sri Lankan court decided otherwise, acting on the lessor's demand. A rule-of-law state in peak operation.
Christian Torres3 Christian Torres3 Regular
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joined Sep 2014
#4024 ·
darkdriver said:Honestly, Erich, even a basic joke would be like some insane physics equation to you—you know, one with fifty-two letters and two numbers, just a total, mind-bending mystery.
But hey, I actually kind of love it—you’re such a total geek, always jumping on every single thing I post. I guess I'll just let you keep at it until you eventually bore me, and then I'll decide to totally shut you down, just like I did with that "caring" guy Misch.

You couldn't handle yourself in a paper bag, let alone anything else.

Now go ahead and start whining about how everything is too expensive and blaming the Ukrainians.
darkdriver darkdriver Active Member
153 messages
joined Jun 2022
#4025 ·
Christian Torres3 said:You couldn't handle yourself in a paper bag, let alone anything else.

Now go ahead and start whining about how everything is too expensive and blaming the Ukrainians.

Man, you're just clueless and clearly don't know much about anything.🤦
Hey king 🤣🙏
There’s actually a massive difference between "going wild" and "getting laid."
Just thought I'd let you know—since you obviously don't realize it myself.
Christian Torres3 Christian Torres3 Regular
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#4026 ·
darkdriver said:Man, you're just clueless and clearly don't know much about anything.🤦
Hey king 🤣🙏
There’s actually a massive difference between "going wild" and "getting laid."
Just thought I'd let you know—since you obviously don't realize it myself.

Just being a total coward and selling out the whole world for your own skin. Pathetic, bottom-of-the-barrel, Mariana Trench level low, darkdriver.
Noah Diaz Noah Diaz Active Member
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joined Sep 2021
#4027 ·
Jack Kelly5 said:I was just reading that there's actually a massive wave of millions of migrants heading from the EU toward Russia right about now.

Not quite, my friend. It doesn't just happen instantly or overnight. We all know perfectly well that sanctions take some actual time before they start having an impact.😁
Anthony Taylor3 Anthony Taylor3 Member
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joined Feb 2006
#4028 ·
Thomas Walker84 said:🤔

Well, 🤔 maybe the Ukrainians, since they attacked themselves? After taking Crimea and Donbas, and trying to occupy Kyiv.

(By the way, do you actually understand English?)

Sure, because clearly the Ukrainians from western Ukraine marched straight into Donbas to attack the locals.
It all happened right after the shots fired that lacked any respect for independence and sovereignty

And no, I don't understand English; I'm just using Google Translate.
Anthony Taylor3 Anthony Taylor3 Member
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joined Feb 2006
#4029 ·
hollowdriver13 said:Back in 2005, Russia started playing those heavy-handed economic games with Ukraine, basically using gas supplies as a way to squeeze them. ☕

That’s pretty slick of you, pulling that specific paragraph about economic pressure out of thin air just to keep the momentum going. Nice move, though—keep it coming.

Sure, they actually wanted to be paid for the gas. Truly terrifying stuff.
analogbear5 analogbear5 Regular
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#4030 ·
Anthony Taylor3 said:Sure, because clearly the Ukrainians from western Ukraine marched straight into Donbas to attack the locals.
It all happened right after the shots fired that lacked any respect for independence and sovereignty

And no, I don't understand English; I'm just using Google Translate.

You ever wonder who actually sparked that whole armed uprising back in 2014 over in Slovjanski? Guy goes by the nickname Strelkov—maybe you’ve heard of him. He’s a Russian citizen leading a group of Russians, too. Involved in the Visehrad massacre... I don't even need to say whose side he's on.
Anthony Taylor3 Anthony Taylor3 Member
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joined Feb 2006
#4031 ·
analogbear5 said:You ever wonder who actually sparked that whole armed uprising back in 2014 over in Slovjanski? Guy goes by the nickname Strelkov—maybe you’ve heard of him. He’s a Russian citizen leading a group of Russians, too. Involved in the Visehrad massacre... I don't even need to say whose side he's on.

vaistinu, nothing would have happened without Girkin.
Bryan Booth82 Bryan Booth82 Regular
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#4032 ·
We've got Ukraine!!
Lp
Joshua Wilson17 Joshua Wilson17 Member
37 messages
joined Jun 2018
#4033 ·
Noah Diaz said:Let’s take a look at global gas prices and see who is actually feeling the weight of those latest sanctions.

Here are two examples of places that aren't exactly "suffering" from them: 😁:

Russia:
Gasoline prices per gallon, 95 octane: We show prices for Russia from Feb-21-2022 to May-30-2022. The average value for Russia during that period was 5.64 US dollars with a minimum of 5.62 US dollars on May-23-2022 and a maximum of 5.64 US dollars on Feb-28-2022. For comparison, the average price of gasoline in the world for this period is 13.69 US dollars.


Belarus:

Gasoline prices per gallon, 95 octane: We show prices for Belarus from Feb-21-2022 to May-30-2022. The average value for Belarus during that period was 4.64 US dollars with a minimum of 4.37 US dollars on Feb-21-2022 and a maximum of 4.95 US dollars on May-30-2022. For comparison, the average price of gasoline in the world for this period is 13.69 US dollars.

On the flip side, we have countries that are clearly struggling under the pressure of sanctions:

Take certain EU members, for instance.

EU Lithuania:
Gasoline prices per gallon, 95 octane: We show prices for Lithuania from Feb-21-2022 to May-30-2022. The average value for Lithuania during that period was 13.05 US dollars with a minimum of 11.12 US dollars on Feb-21-2022 and a maximum of 14.76 US dollars on May-30-2022. For comparison, the average price of gasoline in the world for this period is 13.69 US dollars.

Germany:
Gasoline prices per gallon, 95 octane: We show prices for Germany from Feb-21-2022 to May-30-2022. The average value for Germany during that period was 15.27 US dollars with a minimum of 13.25 US dollars on Feb-21-2022 and a maximum of 16.67 US dollars on Mar-14-2022. For comparison, the average price of gasoline in the world for this period is 13.69 US dollars.

And finally, the icing on the cake:

The US:
Gasoline prices per gallon, 95 octane: We show prices for the US from Feb-21-2022 to May-30-2022. The average value for the US during that period was 12.60 US dollars with a minimum of 11.17 US dollars on Feb-21-2022 and a maximum of 13.98 US dollars on Mar-21-2022. For comparison, the average price of gasoline in the world for this period is 13.69 US dollars.

If we throw Canada into the mix, things get interesting. Right now, gas is sitting at about $1.65. I can tell you with certainty that back in October 2012, it was roughly $1.66 per liter for regular unleaded. Were there sanctions back then? Not really. In fact, that price stayed steady through 2012 and 2013, only starting to dip in 2014, before eventually hitting that $1.05 mark in 2020. You know when we last saw gas that cheap before 2020? Back in 2009...
Plus, despite all this talk about inflation, I'd bet anything that about half the items in grocery stores are actually cheaper than they were five years ago. Why? Because we went through periods of deflation rather than just inflation. And during those times, wages didn't drop—they actually grew. On top of that, unemployment hasn't been this low, and employment levels haven't been this high, in quite a while...
dustyowl29 dustyowl29 Regular
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joined Dec 2007
#4034 ·
Diesel in Iran is sitting at about $2 a gallon... seriously. :-D
urbanotter urbanotter Regular
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#4035 ·
Joshua Wilson17 said:If we throw Canada into the mix, things get interesting. Right now, gas is sitting at about $1.65. I can tell you with certainty that back in October 2012, it was roughly $1.66 per liter for regular unleaded. Were there sanctions back then? Not really. In fact, that price stayed steady through 2012 and 2013, only starting to dip in 2014, before eventually hitting that $1.05 mark in 2020. You know when we last saw gas that cheap before 2020? Back in 2009...
Plus, despite all this talk about inflation, I'd bet anything that about half the items in grocery stores are actually cheaper than they were five years ago. Why? Because we went through periods of deflation rather than just inflation. And during those times, wages didn't drop—they actually grew. On top of that, unemployment hasn't been this low, and employment levels haven't been this high, in quite a while...

I don't follow what's happening in Canada, and frankly, I don't care since I get my fuel in America.

But things are looking a bit different over here.

Here is a quick timeline of gas prices in America: Just two years ago, we were paying only $2.75


https://www.nytimes.com/news/business/economy/gas-prices-trends/

About a year ago, I was picking up diesel for about $4-$1.75/gal, but now it's climbed to $3.25
Arthur Miller7 Arthur Miller7 Active Member
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joined Mar 2022
#4036 ·
urbanotter said:I don't follow what's happening in Canada, and frankly, I don't care since I get my fuel in America.

But things are looking a bit different over here.

Here is a quick timeline of gas prices in America: Just two years ago, we were paying only $2.75


https://www.nytimes.com/news/business/economy/gas-prices-trends/

About a year ago, I was picking up diesel for about $4-$1.75/gal, but now it's climbed to $3.25

So basically, it's the government's fault, not the war or the sanctions. If that's the case, why is the paycheck in America $1667 and why aren't these sanctions actually hitting people where it hurts? Or why do retirees have such a measly $567 pension? Is that because of sanctions too? And why is the wage in Iceland $21 $0.00 just for washing dishes? This price hike isn't going to help most people—it’s more like it’ll push pretty much everyone onto the streets, if you ask me.
Joshua Wilson17 Joshua Wilson17 Member
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joined Jun 2018
#4037 ·
dustyowl29 said:Diesel in Iran is sitting at about $2 a gallon... seriously. :-D

In any developed nation, fuel prices stay high for a reason. If we want decent roads, we have to foot the bill. They don't just build themselves...
Joshua Wilson17 Joshua Wilson17 Member
37 messages
joined Jun 2018
#4038 ·
dustyowl29 said:Diesel in Iran is sitting at about $2 a gallon... seriously. :-D

In any developed nation, fuel prices are high for a reason. We want decent roads, but we have to actually pay for them. They don't just build themselves...
rowdymaker17 rowdymaker17 Member
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joined Jun 2022
#4039 ·
India and Japan have officially decided to sit out the NATO sanctions regarding the halt of Russian oil and gas purchases. India made it quite clear that they aren't interested in anything other than the direct interests of their own citizens, arguing that an embargo on Russian raw materials serves absolutely no purpose for the American-style consumer stability they prioritize; naturally, the USA and the EU have responded by labeling them hypocritical and arrogant. Meanwhile, Japan stated they have spent far too many years working on bilateral agreements with Russia to simply throw it all away now, and they have zero intention of imposing sanctions on Russian oil and gas. In fact, both nations have actually ramped up their imports of Russian energy because they can secure it at such significantly lower prices right now. It appears the EU is the only group of fools blindly following the lead of the USA. And looking at the current trajectory, it seems we are watching European economies slowly wither away one by one as Russia shuts off the valves and redirects its oil and gas toward the East, Latin America, and Africa. We can all look forward to a very pleasant winter. 👍
Joshua Wilson17 Joshua Wilson17 Member
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joined Jun 2018
#4040 ·
urbanotter said:I don't follow what's happening in Canada, and frankly, I don't care since I get my fuel in America.

But things are looking a bit different over here.

Here is a quick timeline of gas prices in America: Just two years ago, we were paying only $2.75


https://www.nytimes.com/news/business/economy/gas-prices-trends/

About a year ago, I was picking up diesel for about $4-$1.75/gal, but now it's climbed to $3.25

If I'm hearing you right, you're saying we shouldn't bother with sanctions against Russia just because fuel is cheaper? It doesn't matter if an invasion is actually happening. After all, Putin claims Ukrainians aren't even a real nation and have no right to their own country.
What if someone said something similar about Americans and the United States? Would you change your mind then? Or would the price at the pump still be more important...

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