Sanctions on Russia

If you look back seventy years, the whole picture becomes much clearer. You had the USSR on one side and the West on the other. It was basically the same kind of blockade.

swiftjackal11 said:If you look back seventy years, the whole picture becomes much clearer. You had the USSR on one side and the West on the other. It was basically the same kind of blockade.

I don't see any logical reason why we should be reaching back seventy years to make sense of things today.

To me, it feels completely counterproductive, almost like an eighty-year-old trying to judge their life based on who they were when they were just eighteen or twenty.

I realize that plenty of stereotypes were forged seventy years ago, and I think that’s exactly why some people are still viewing the world through a lens from seven decades ago rather than looking at the reality of the present day.

urbanotter said:I don't see any logical reason why we should be reaching back seventy years to make sense of things today.

To me, it feels completely counterproductive, almost like an eighty-year-old trying to judge their life based on who they were when they were just eighteen or twenty.

I realize that plenty of stereotypes were forged seventy years ago, and I think that’s exactly why some people are still viewing the world through a lens from seven decades ago rather than looking at the reality of the present day.

It’s even weirder when you realize how Russ is constantly digging up stuff from 80 years ago for their "Victory Day" celebrations. They can walk into any theater or mall and somehow manage to see fascists everywhere.

swiftjackal11 said:If you look back seventy years, the whole picture becomes much clearer. You had the USSR on one side and the West on the other. It was basically the same kind of blockade.

Back then, 70 years ago, the USSR was right there in New York City.

Yeah, they were just tearing things down instead of building them up. It’s no wonder people wondered why one side of the street was moving forward while we were stuck in reverse. Same people, though. Just like what happened back in the US. 🤷

Kate Lewis3 said:It’s even weirder when you realize how Russ is constantly digging up stuff from 80 years ago for their "Victory Day" celebrations. They can walk into any theater or mall and somehow manage to see fascists everywhere.

Every nation celebrates certain milestones that define its identity.

In the US, we have Independence Day, Veterans Day, Memorial Day, and several other holidays that mark significant moments in our history.

I honestly don't see how Sam Pope thinks this has anything to do with sanctions or who exactly is being harmed by them.

I won't go off on a tangent here, because if I even slightly "stray from the topic," I'll end up catching a case of "COVID" and finishing in "self-isolation."

swiftjackal11 said:Sanctions definitely work. As soon as Russia starts crying about it, you know something is actually happening. We aren't looking at the immediate fallout here; we're looking at the next century. A hundred years from now, when Russia takes stock of everything, they'll see exactly how much oil and gas they pumped out since this war with Ukraine started, and realize just how much more they could have moved if things hadn't gone south.

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And what happens when they take stock in 500 years?

Joshua Myers432 said:🤦

And what happens when they take stock in 500 years?

It’s funny. People who genuinely despise tyrants expect sanctions to work overnight. It’s easy to say, but if you lose your job, you aren't suddenly fine for three months without needing food or water. That's not how it works for a massive country like Russia.

swiftjackal11 said:It’s funny. People who genuinely despise tyrants expect sanctions to work overnight. It’s easy to say, but if you lose your job, you aren't suddenly fine for three months without needing food or water. That's not how it works for a massive country like Russia.

It might actually make sense if these sanctions weren't essentially us shooting ourselves in the foot. And we're doing it quite efficiently, too.

Besides, Ukraine doesn't need help projected a century into the future; they need it right now. Because by year 100, we'll just be celebrating the 99th anniversary of Russian occupation.

It’s just your classic move from the bureaucrats in D.C.—lazy, entitled types who pretend to be busy while having no clue what they're actually doing. Honestly, the only thing more pathetic than those incompetent officials is the army of internet trolls and armchair experts defending their every blunder.

Joshua Myers432 said:It might actually make sense if these sanctions weren't essentially us shooting ourselves in the foot. And we're doing it quite efficiently, too.

Besides, Ukraine doesn't need help projected a century into the future; they need it right now. Because by year 100, we'll just be celebrating the 99th anniversary of Russian occupation.

It’s just your classic move from the bureaucrats in D.C.—lazy, entitled types who pretend to be busy while having no clue what they're actually doing. Honestly, the only thing more pathetic than those incompetent officials is the army of internet trolls and armchair experts defending their every blunder.

Nah, we should probably just cheer for Russia all the way to Lisbon and hope Zelensky just surrenders so they can finish off the Ukrainian people even faster. Maybe he could even cut the ribbon at the opening of a concentration camp while he's at it. Right?

Joshua Myers432 said:It might actually make sense if these sanctions weren't essentially us shooting ourselves in the foot. And we're doing it quite efficiently, too.

Besides, Ukraine doesn't need help projected a century into the future; they need it right now. Because by year 100, we'll just be celebrating the 99th anniversary of Russian occupation.

It’s just your classic move from the bureaucrats in D.C.—lazy, entitled types who pretend to be busy while having no clue what they're actually doing. Honestly, the only thing more pathetic than those incompetent officials is the army of internet trolls and armchair experts defending their every blunder.

Thank God you actually explained that clearly for once.

3, 2, 1 ... let's go, sandwich eaters.

You want to help Ukraine? Then how about a full mobilization of everyone under 40 across all NATO countries and sending them straight to the Eastern Front. It's not our first rodeo—the last time we stepped up, we ended up at Stalingrad!

Look, Christian Torres3 can go first. It's not like he doesn't have the insignia of the famous Jagdgeschwader 52 squadron right there in his avatar anyway.

Joshua Myers432 said:3, 2, 1 ... let's go, sandwich eaters.

You want to help Ukraine? Then how about a full mobilization of everyone under 40 across all NATO countries and sending them straight to the Eastern Front. It's not our first rodeo—the last time we stepped up, we ended up at Stalingrad!

Actually, that wasn't the last time.
The last time we truly mobilized was during the American Civil War, and we successfully drove the aggressors right out of our territory.
I distinctly remember back then there were people making similar arguments... just like there are today, a tiny minority who somehow believe the Russian side is actually in the right.😁

Best,

Not everything that hurts is actually an illness🙂

Joshua Myers432 said:3, 2, 1 ... let's go, sandwich eaters.

You want to help Ukraine? Then how about a full mobilization of everyone under 40 across all NATO countries and sending them straight to the Eastern Front. It's not our first rodeo—the last time we stepped up, we ended up at Stalingrad!

We help by not being like you. You care more about how much cash stays in your pocket than the suffering of Ukrainians, all because they refuse to give up who they are.

swiftjackal11 said:We help by not being like you. You care more about how much cash stays in your pocket than the suffering of Ukrainians, all because they refuse to give up who they are.

Bryan Booth82 As I was saying:
No, that wasn't how it went last time.
The last time we went all in—back during the American Civil War—we kicked the invaders right out of our country.
I remember seeing people making these exact same arguments back then. It’s the same small group of people we see today—those who are convinced they're on the right side of history by backing Russia.😁

lp

Just more supporters of those Brussels puppets—the absolute Netflix generation. 🙂

Consider this a little boot camp for you lot, since it’s painfully obvious none of you have ever stepped foot in the US Army. If you actually plan on heading East, you might want to learn something before you end up a casualty on day one. All your endless keyboard warrior posturing and complaining about your thermostat being set two degrees too low in the winter isn't going to do a damn thing for Ukraine.

swiftjackal11 said:We help by not being like you. You care more about how much cash stays in your pocket than the suffering of Ukrainians, all because they refuse to give up who they are.

Abigail, let me tell you something: selfishness, in any conceivable sense of the word, is never a virtue...

lp

Joshua Myers432 said:

Bryan Booth82 As I was saying:
No, that wasn't how it went last time.
The last time we went all in—back during the American Civil War—we kicked the invaders right out of our country.
I remember seeing people making these exact same arguments back then. It’s the same small group of people we see today—those who are convinced they're on the right side of history by backing Russia.😁

lp

Just more supporters of those Brussels puppets—the absolute Netflix generation. 🙂

Consider this a little boot camp for you lot, since it’s painfully obvious none of you have ever stepped foot in the US Army. If you actually plan on heading East, you might want to learn something before you end up a casualty on day one. All your endless keyboard warrior posturing and complaining about your thermostat being set two degrees too low in the winter isn't going to do a damn thing for Ukraine.

We can talk in your language too. Why don't you just head toward Putin and join in on targeting schools, theaters, and hospitals?

Joshua Myers432 said:

Bryan Booth82 As I was saying:
No, that wasn't how it went last time.
The last time we went all in—back during the American Civil War—we kicked the invaders right out of our country.
I remember seeing people making these exact same arguments back then. It’s the same small group of people we see today—those who are convinced they're on the right side of history by backing Russia.😁

lp

Just more supporters of those Brussels puppets—the absolute Netflix generation. 🙂

Consider this a little boot camp for you lot, since it’s painfully obvious none of you have ever stepped foot in the US Army. If you actually plan on heading East, you might want to learn something before you end up a casualty on day one. All your endless keyboard warrior posturing and complaining about your thermostat being set two degrees too low in the winter isn't going to do a damn thing for Ukraine.

That is a remarkably narrow-minded perspective, implying that condemning Russian aggression somehow automatically necessitates putting on a uniform.
Fascinating.🤔

By that logic, wouldn't the "negatives" also include everyone who sided with the Americans during our own Civil War?🤔
If that isn't the case, I fail to see why Ukrainians feeling sympathy for the American Civil War would be seen as a negative, while we view our own Civil War as positive.🤔

The logic is simple: either both conflicts are inherently negative, or they are both inherently positive.

Honestly, trying to dismiss someone's perception using a tired, hackneyed cliché about the "Netflix generation" is just incredibly cheap, don't you think?
Furthermore, I am genuinely curious: what exactly makes you think you can judge whether someone has had military training just based on how they write online?
They used to say the exact same thing about the mustachioed officers back in the US Army.😁

Best regards,