CheckEmoji Community · the emoji forum
🏠 Home 🆕 What's new ❓ Unanswered 🔥 Popular 📡 RSS Members 👥 0 online log in · register
Home › Society › Politics › War in Ukraine › Sanctions on Russia

Sanctions on Russia

Started by Richard Wilson4 · · 👁 621 views · 9.5K replies

📡 Subscribe to replies

Participants Richard Wilson4velvetcyclist95Jeremy Peterson4silentsurfer3rowdytiger13Carol Newman2William Anderson5Carl Cookfrozencobra50Paul Patel95Michael Davis10Gary WilsonGregory Ramos3slyfox43dustywolf13Tyler Jones6Larry Walker24Ashley Ramirez4Paul Clark80Adam Lee13northernangler8Nancy Ruiz5James Chavez91neonheron9 …
silentnomad7 silentnomad7 Active Member
127 messages
joined Jan 2018
#5581 ·
Ilana said:Check this out: /pope-prayed-for-peace-in-ukraine. Truly incredible...

Pope Francis was back at the Angelus again, praying for peace in Ukraine. He basically said "No" to a world split into warring factions, and "Yes" to a global civilization built on mutual respect...

- Let’s keep praying for peace in Ukraine and across the entire globe. I am calling on world leaders and international organizations to take active steps to stop escalating conflicts and confrontations. The world needs peace—but not the kind of peace based on an arms race or mutual fear. That just doesn't work. It would be like stepping seventy years back in time... The crisis in Ukraine should have been—and can still become—a defining moment for wise statesmen who actually know how to build a better world through dialogue, Pope Francis remarked.


Well, it looks like the Pope has wandered over to the dark side...

Now, look, the Pope wants peace, and you really can't argue with that sentiment...

But if we're being realistic, first, Russia needs to pull its troops out of every single inch of Ukrainian territory.

Then, they should probably volunteer to pay at least $2 trillion in war reparations.

And after all that, they ought to agree to face trial for their war crimes.

What I think the Pope completely missed the mark on here is this part:
The world needs peace. Not the kind of peace based on an arms race or mutual fear. That just doesn't work. It would be like stepping seventy years back in time.

Actually, precisely because there wasn't a balance of power, Putin invaded Ukraine. It's exactly what bullies do—they target a victim that looks vulnerable and unlikely to fight back.

If you look closely, those sentences could also be interpreted as the Pope calling on the rest of the world to dismantle Russia and strip them of their weapons because they represent such a threat to global stability. Once Russia is disarmed, then finally, peace won't be based on a balance of weaponry anymore!
driftingtinker driftingtinker Regular
372 messages
joined Jan 2019
#5582 ·
Topic: "sanctions on Russia" ☕
Nancy Gomez26 Nancy Gomez26 Regular
787 messages
joined Jan 2018
#5583 ·
Linda Collins3 said:Nobody actually claimed Ukrainians are fighting solely for outside interests—you just had to read the part where I said "effectively" and "among other things."
But like I said (since you clearly missed it), they *are* effectively fighting for outside interests too. And it’s because of that specific overlap that they get the weapons, not necessarily because of their fight for freedom. Now people act like there should be a bill sent to them for it...

For the Ukrainians, the best course of action is to settle every tab. If they don't pay up now, those "tails" might end up being far more expensive down the road. At the end of the day, these are quite favorable arrangements from a purely economic standpoint; they essentially pay just enough so that no one can claim anything was handed over as a gift—especially when you consider how most nations squander their budgets. This is money well spent. As I have noted before: a clean slate ensures a lasting bond.
urbanotter urbanotter Regular
431 messages
joined Oct 2020
#5584 ·
Nancy Gomez26 said:For the Ukrainians, the best course of action is to settle every tab. If they don't pay up now, those "tails" might end up being far more expensive down the road. At the end of the day, these are quite favorable arrangements from a purely economic standpoint; they essentially pay just enough so that no one can claim anything was handed over as a gift—especially when you consider how most nations squander their budgets. This is money well spent. As I have noted before: a clean slate ensures a lasting bond.

My colleague Nancy Gomez26,
I am still sitting here waiting for an answer regarding how the current shortages, the skyrocketing cost of synthetic fertilizer, and the subsidized diesel—all triggered by the heavy sanctions placed on Russia—
will impact our own fall planting season here in the States, and whether Europe will ever truly achieve food self-sufficiency again.

I would also appreciate it if you could clarify which specific new scientific methods you are referring to, who exactly is conducting this research, and when farmers across Europe can actually expect to access them so they can operate with little to no reliance on synthetic fertilizers and diesel.
Who are these scientists? Because, frankly, everything these seven EU anti-samurai types have "invented" so far has just been turned into more sanctions, which has mostly just backfired.

Additionally, if you happen to have any intel on when the fertilizer factory in Indianapolis will resume operations,
since they reportedly halted production because natural gas became too expensive, I'd love to know what the approximate price per unit of fertilizer will be once they finally get back online.

And I’d ask that we move away from the "crushing boots" metaphors regarding who is being stepped on and by whom; we went quite extensively into that debate during our discussion about America. If you want to revisit that, let's take it over there. For now, let's stay focused right here on the sanctions and their actual fallout—looking specifically at the economies and food production of both those who imposed them and those who are feeling the brunt of them.🙂🙂
swiftjackal11 swiftjackal11 Regular
271 messages
joined May 2018
#5585 ·
urbanotter said:My colleague Nancy Gomez26,
I am still sitting here waiting for an answer regarding how the current shortages, the skyrocketing cost of synthetic fertilizer, and the subsidized diesel—all triggered by the heavy sanctions placed on Russia—
will impact our own fall planting season here in the States, and whether Europe will ever truly achieve food self-sufficiency again.

I would also appreciate it if you could clarify which specific new scientific methods you are referring to, who exactly is conducting this research, and when farmers across Europe can actually expect to access them so they can operate with little to no reliance on synthetic fertilizers and diesel.
Who are these scientists? Because, frankly, everything these seven EU anti-samurai types have "invented" so far has just been turned into more sanctions, which has mostly just backfired.

Additionally, if you happen to have any intel on when the fertilizer factory in Indianapolis will resume operations,
since they reportedly halted production because natural gas became too expensive, I'd love to know what the approximate price per unit of fertilizer will be once they finally get back online.

And I’d ask that we move away from the "crushing boots" metaphors regarding who is being stepped on and by whom; we went quite extensively into that debate during our discussion about America. If you want to revisit that, let's take it over there. For now, let's stay focused right here on the sanctions and their actual fallout—looking specifically at the economies and food production of both those who imposed them and those who are feeling the brunt of them.🙂🙂

Sanctions cut both ways. It's just that one side is the aggressor and the other is the collateral damage. Since we're at war with Putin, we better hope he doesn't start aiming at us too.
urbanotter urbanotter Regular
431 messages
joined Oct 2020
#5586 ·
swiftjackal11 said:Sanctions cut both ways. It's just that one side is the aggressor and the other is the collateral damage. Since we're at war with Putin, we better hope he doesn't start aiming at us too.

I've tried to look at this without getting caught up in any ideology, and honestly, it barely has much of an impact on fuel prices.

Thanks for clarifying that we're actually at war with "Putler"—if he's even the same person I think he is, since it feels like everyone changes their names and titles so often these days.

Man, I must have been completely misinformed if I spent all this time thinking Russia was just fighting in Ukraine.

If we're officially in a state of war then, does that mean we should expect a general mobilization soon?

But let's get back to the topic of sanctions, because I really have no interest in debating ideological mantras or tired political clichés anymore.
Anthony Hill5 Anthony Hill5 Regular
379 messages
joined May 2024
#5587 ·
Nancy Gomez26 said:
Lisa Jackson7 As stated by:
I will simply reiterate what you have highlighted in bold. As for the rest, I find myself in agreement—not that I am particularly pleased about it.

It wasn't the Russians who voted to put those people in power. They’ve been voted in.The first presidential elections back in '91 were perhaps the only ones that could be considered somewhat legitimate. Everything following that was little more than a staged performance—orchestrated, unfortunately, with heavy involvement from the West, most notably the USA.
So, it seems Boris Yeltsin has already become that "friend you simply can't let hang out to dry"—if I may be so bold as to put it that way.

Putin is simply the logical progression...

I don't view Putin as the logical successor to Boris Yeltsin. The man comes from an entirely different social sphere. One can only wonder why, and under what specific circumstances, Yeltsin "selected" him to take the reins. But then again, that’s a question for the historians.

That question was settled a long time ago.
swiftjackal11 swiftjackal11 Regular
271 messages
joined May 2018
#5588 ·
urbanotter said:I've tried to look at this without getting caught up in any ideology, and honestly, it barely has much of an impact on fuel prices.

Thanks for clarifying that we're actually at war with "Putler"—if he's even the same person I think he is, since it feels like everyone changes their names and titles so often these days.

Man, I must have been completely misinformed if I spent all this time thinking Russia was just fighting in Ukraine.

If we're officially in a state of war then, does that mean we should expect a general mobilization soon?

But let's get back to the topic of sanctions, because I really have no interest in debating ideological mantras or tired political clichés anymore.

Sanctions hit Russia and its people. They hit Putin and the oligarchs too. They can't go spending dollars all over the world anymore; it's just rubles around Moscow. Anything outside of Moscow feels poor and left behind. Honestly, maybe the sanctions are actually good for Russia if those billionaires start spending their money—which belongs to the people—on infrastructure instead. By helping Russia and its citizens, they're basically just finding a way to keep spending and enjoying themselves using everyone else's money.
Nancy Gomez26 Nancy Gomez26 Regular
787 messages
joined Jan 2018
#5589 ·
urbanotter said:My colleague Nancy Gomez26,
I am still sitting here waiting for an answer regarding how the current shortages, the skyrocketing cost of synthetic fertilizer, and the subsidized diesel—all triggered by the heavy sanctions placed on Russia—
will impact our own fall planting season here in the States, and whether Europe will ever truly achieve food self-sufficiency again.

I would also appreciate it if you could clarify which specific new scientific methods you are referring to, who exactly is conducting this research, and when farmers across Europe can actually expect to access them so they can operate with little to no reliance on synthetic fertilizers and diesel.
Who are these scientists? Because, frankly, everything these seven EU anti-samurai types have "invented" so far has just been turned into more sanctions, which has mostly just backfired.

Additionally, if you happen to have any intel on when the fertilizer factory in Indianapolis will resume operations,
since they reportedly halted production because natural gas became too expensive, I'd love to know what the approximate price per unit of fertilizer will be once they finally get back online.

And I’d ask that we move away from the "crushing boots" metaphors regarding who is being stepped on and by whom; we went quite extensively into that debate during our discussion about America. If you want to revisit that, let's take it over there. For now, let's stay focused right here on the sanctions and their actual fallout—looking specifically at the economies and food production of both those who imposed them and those who are feeling the brunt of them.🙂🙂

Sanctions and this entire situation impact production, profit margins, and food prices in two ways. One side is positive for us producers, as sanctions and war drive up market prices—benefiting the warring sides that act as grain exporters. The other side is negative, because the war partially drives up production inputs (though even this spike in grain prices and input costs began long before the February 2022 conflict). Which force prevails, I cannot say, but I suspect finished product prices will outpace input costs. Right now, things are relatively balanced. The biggest headache could occur if, for example, we run out of gas in the fall and can't dry the corn. Even then, there's a relatively simple alternative. Or if fuel runs out and autumn soil prep becomes impossible. These factors—fuel prices, food prices, gold prices—are deeply interconnected. When a barrel of oil is $30, a bushel of corn is $3; when a barrel hits $120, a bushel of corn hits $12. Input costs move in tandem. Since production operates on a relatively long cycle, you might plant using "old" prices and harvest at "new" ones, but by the next season, you'll be buying your supplies at the "new" prices. As I mentioned, prices were already climbing well before the conflict and the sanctions against Russia, so that certainly isn't the sole driver of inflation. But there is no doubt this situation fuels the rise.
As long as we live in an open market, it doesn't matter if America or the EU is self-sufficient—production always flows toward whoever is currently the best provider. In a closed market, that logic might hold weight, but then different market laws take over. If you have enough money, you won't go hungry. It has always been that way, and it will remain so.
Methods like no-till farming, green fertilizers, and integrating livestock with crop production have been known for quite some time; they're simply more refined now, and the benefits to agriculture are better understood. Industrial tillage is at the complete opposite end of the spectrum. And of course, it is incomplete—heavily reliant on synthetic inputs. But it is a comfortable way to work; you get all your solutions ready-made, either from a bag or a bottle. You just apply it. And the people providing those bags and bottles charge accordingly. People complain about the cost, but they've been conditioned to it, quickly reaching a state where they have no idea how to escape the cycle. They become dependent on high yields because only such massive yields can justify the convenience of having someone else "think" for you—and charge you well for it. The more of these turnkey technological solutions you use, the more you invest, and the more you depend on a yield that must cover all those expenses. If I were to write out everything you might find in a purchased bag—all of it carrying legitimate certificates—hardly anyone would believe me. My own "homegrown" stock (specifically my soy) is always superior to what you buy. Not because I am smarter than the sellers, but because I pay attention to when the soy intended for seed is harvested. I pay attention because I know I will be replanting and harvesting that same soy again; it pays to be careful. They don't have to care; they're just moving volume. Of course, for that "homegrown" approach to work properly, it requires its own refinement. But that is a different conversation entirely. The main thing to understand is that these systems exist; it isn't some great mystery, even...Certain people are working on this here in America too —though it feels like progress is moving at a snail's pace. Anyone actually involved in the field, or even just curious, could easily find something online to get their bearings. If you keep a small backyard garden, try growing some tomatoes or peppers under a layer of mulch—just use some straw or grass clippings—and you’ll see the difference for yourself. This concept is essentially the same thing, just applied on an industrial scale. But that’s beside the point.
I have no clue what the current status is at the BASF plant in Indianapolis. All I know is they were looking for an owner, there was plenty of resistance, and things got complicated. From what I gather, they’ve slashed their workforce down to about a quarter of what it was before the war. Apparently, the union is quite powerful there and they have their own "unique" set of demands.
Since we operate in an open market—both for our finished goods and our inputs—what happens at that specific plant matters less than it used to. Personally, I prefer their fertilizers because they're locally produced, but quality and price are the ultimate deciders when making a purchase. If they meet those standards, I'll choose domestic production every single time. If they can't provide it, someone else will. You just need to have the capital.
Linda Collins3 Linda Collins3 Active Member
65 messages
joined Jun 2013
#5590 ·
Nancy Gomez26 said:For the Ukrainians, the best course of action is to settle every tab. If they don't pay up now, those "tails" might end up being far more expensive down the road. At the end of the day, these are quite favorable arrangements from a purely economic standpoint; they essentially pay just enough so that no one can claim anything was handed over as a gift—especially when you consider how most nations squander their budgets. This is money well spent. As I have noted before: a clean slate ensures a lasting bond.

They were already under US guidance long before the war started (just look at how Biden pushed to fire that prosecutor who was digging too deep into his son's shady business).

Man, what are you even talking about? Ukraine is going to be stuck under the US thumb forever (assuming they survive this war), and they'll be paying a premium for that privilege...
Noah Diaz Noah Diaz Active Member
114 messages
joined Sep 2021
#5591 ·
swiftjackal11 said:Sanctions cut both ways. It's just that one side is the aggressor and the other is the collateral damage. Since we're at war with Putin, we better hope he doesn't start aiming at us too.

Since when has America been at war with Russia?

Thanks in advance.
urbanotter urbanotter Regular
431 messages
joined Oct 2020
#5592 ·
Nancy Gomez26 said:Sanctions and this entire situation impact production, profit margins, and food prices in two ways. One side is positive for us producers, as sanctions and war drive up market prices—benefiting the warring sides that act as grain exporters. The other side is negative, because the war partially drives up production inputs (though even this spike in grain prices and input costs began long before the February 2022 conflict). Which force prevails, I cannot say, but I suspect finished product prices will outpace input costs. Right now, things are relatively balanced. The biggest headache could occur if, for example, we run out of gas in the fall and can't dry the corn. Even then, there's a relatively simple alternative. Or if fuel runs out and autumn soil prep becomes impossible. These factors—fuel prices, food prices, gold prices—are deeply interconnected. When a barrel of oil is $30, a bushel of corn is $3; when a barrel hits $120, a bushel of corn hits $12. Input costs move in tandem. Since production operates on a relatively long cycle, you might plant using "old" prices and harvest at "new" ones, but by the next season, you'll be buying your supplies at the "new" prices. As I mentioned, prices were already climbing well before the conflict and the sanctions against Russia, so that certainly isn't the sole driver of inflation. But there is no doubt this situation fuels the rise.
As long as we live in an open market, it doesn't matter if America or the EU is self-sufficient—production always flows toward whoever is currently the best provider. In a closed market, that logic might hold weight, but then different market laws take over. If you have enough money, you won't go hungry. It has always been that way, and it will remain so.
Methods like no-till farming, green fertilizers, and integrating livestock with crop production have been known for quite some time; they're simply more refined now, and the benefits to agriculture are better understood. Industrial tillage is at the complete opposite end of the spectrum. And of course, it is incomplete—heavily reliant on synthetic inputs. But it is a comfortable way to work; you get all your solutions ready-made, either from a bag or a bottle. You just apply it. And the people providing those bags and bottles charge accordingly. People complain about the cost, but they've been conditioned to it, quickly reaching a state where they have no idea how to escape the cycle. They become dependent on high yields because only such massive yields can justify the convenience of having someone else "think" for you—and charge you well for it. The more of these turnkey technological solutions you use, the more you invest, and the more you depend on a yield that must cover all those expenses. If I were to write out everything you might find in a purchased bag—all of it carrying legitimate certificates—hardly anyone would believe me. My own "homegrown" stock (specifically my soy) is always superior to what you buy. Not because I am smarter than the sellers, but because I pay attention to when the soy intended for seed is harvested. I pay attention because I know I will be replanting and harvesting that same soy again; it pays to be careful. They don't have to care; they're just moving volume. Of course, for that "homegrown" approach to work properly, it requires its own refinement. But that is a different conversation entirely. The main thing to understand is that these systems exist; it isn't some great mystery, even...Certain people are working on this here in America too —though it feels like progress is moving at a snail's pace. Anyone actually involved in the field, or even just curious, could easily find something online to get their bearings. If you keep a small backyard garden, try growing some tomatoes or peppers under a layer of mulch—just use some straw or grass clippings—and you’ll see the difference for yourself. This concept is essentially the same thing, just applied on an industrial scale. But that’s beside the point.
I have no clue what the current status is at the BASF plant in Indianapolis. All I know is they were looking for an owner, there was plenty of resistance, and things got complicated. From what I gather, they’ve slashed their workforce down to about a quarter of what it was before the war. Apparently, the union is quite powerful there and they have their own "unique" set of demands.
Since we operate in an open market—both for our finished goods and our inputs—what happens at that specific plant matters less than it used to. Personally, I prefer their fertilizers because they're locally produced, but quality and price are the ultimate deciders when making a purchase. If they meet those standards, I'll choose domestic production every single time. If they can't provide it, someone else will. You just need to have the capital.

You wrote an entire "book" here, when you really could have summed all of that up in just a few sentences.

For any operation to turn a profit, the output must always exceed the input, which is the ultimate goal of manufacturing and most other human endeavors.

I'm asking you what the plan is for this year's fall planting, and you're presenting a "silver bullet" solution based on an experiment that is barely out of its infancy. It's honestly a bit ridiculous.
I could list dozens of similar experiments that have yielded pretty modest results—things like no-till farming, shallow plowing, organic agriculture, or even just reviving traditional small-scale farms where you grow everything from chickens and cows to wheat and lettuce in a home garden.
But those are just experiments, my friend; they aren't a scalable solution for feeding a global population that grows by a billion people every few years.
That doesn't answer the core question of whether the United States will remain self-sufficient in food production, nor does it address what the final cost to the consumer will be, since the consumer is the end goal of all these economic activities.

On the flip side of these "idealistic wishes," you have the rapid expansion of GMO crops across massive agricultural landscapes in places like India, Brazil, and Argentina, and look at how Bill Gates has become one of the largest landowners in America through his land acquisitions.
Global giants like Cargill, Monsanto, and Nestlé use every lever at their disposal to push for GMO production and the necessary pesticide use.
While there is resistance to GMO foods, they have already permeated the markets of the European Union, and as far as I know, many European universities have test plots and members who actively advocate for GMO production.

So, your response feels like a bit of a deflection and a distraction; it fails to address how sanctions against Russia will impact the fall planting season and the overall food self-sufficiency of the West.

Since you're avoiding a direct answer, let me lay it out plainly: I'll show you how the sanctions imposed on Russia will lead to soaring energy costs, gas, diesel, and fertilizer prices, and how that ripples back into food production and Western independence.

There will be massive negative consequences, if not outright catastrophes, regardless of the heavy subsidies being handed to farmers to try and keep food affordable for the general public.
I don't have a crystal ball, but from what I can see, the sanctions in this sector will trigger a massive counter-effect. Many lower-income citizens in wealthy nations will face the threat of poverty and hunger.
Meanwhile, in much of the developing world, those who were already struggling will face literal starvation. Especially children.
So much for these "brilliant sanctions" intended to "neutralize Russia" and stop it from "threatening the free world."

Based on your reply, it sounds like there is no fertilizer coming out of that plant in Houston, and nobody knows if or when it will ever be available again.

I'll leave you with two links that illustrate what is likely to happen. While the first link might not be a certainty, what it describes is almost certainly going to play out.

All of this has unfolded incredibly quickly, happening over just a matter of days

And then there is this specific scenario being mapped out by the analysts over at JPMorgan Chase, should we see a situation where the empire decides to strike back
https://seebiz.eu/energetika/jpmorga...e-nafte/278171
Bryan Booth82 Bryan Booth82 Regular
483 messages
joined Feb 2024
#5593 ·
Noah Diaz said:Since when has America been at war with Russia?

Thanks in advance.

Ever since the Russian aggression against Ukraine kicked off, America has been almost directly involved in a conflict with Russia through its role in NATO. Compare that to someone like Mexico, which stays indirectly involved by selling ammunition that ends up killing Russian soldiers.👍

Best,
Noah Diaz Noah Diaz Active Member
114 messages
joined Sep 2021
#5594 ·
Are we on the brink of war!?

🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏
Grace Phillips25 Grace Phillips25 Member
27 messages
joined Mar 2022
#5595 ·
Noah Diaz said:Are we on the brink of war!?

🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏

I mean, are we actually talking about a real war here... or is it just another one of those "special operations" things??? 🤔
swiftjackal11 swiftjackal11 Regular
271 messages
joined May 2018
#5596 ·
In Russia, they sanctioned a journalist just because she reported on the Russian bombardment of Mariupol. Apparently, according to them, Russians don't actually do stuff like that.
amberranger19 amberranger19 Newcomer
7 messages
joined Mar 2016
#5597 ·
Etogac, I bet she didn't let him cross the street. Anyway, looking at these sanctions against Russia... seeing Alpine milk back in the grocery store at $5.00, when it was sitting at $7 or $8 just the other day—does that mean we're at war with the neighbors too?
swiftjackal11 swiftjackal11 Regular
271 messages
joined May 2018
#5598 ·
urbanotter said:You wrote an entire "book" here, when you really could have summed all of that up in just a few sentences.

For any operation to turn a profit, the output must always exceed the input, which is the ultimate goal of manufacturing and most other human endeavors.

I'm asking you what the plan is for this year's fall planting, and you're presenting a "silver bullet" solution based on an experiment that is barely out of its infancy. It's honestly a bit ridiculous.
I could list dozens of similar experiments that have yielded pretty modest results—things like no-till farming, shallow plowing, organic agriculture, or even just reviving traditional small-scale farms where you grow everything from chickens and cows to wheat and lettuce in a home garden.
But those are just experiments, my friend; they aren't a scalable solution for feeding a global population that grows by a billion people every few years.
That doesn't answer the core question of whether the United States will remain self-sufficient in food production, nor does it address what the final cost to the consumer will be, since the consumer is the end goal of all these economic activities.

On the flip side of these "idealistic wishes," you have the rapid expansion of GMO crops across massive agricultural landscapes in places like India, Brazil, and Argentina, and look at how Bill Gates has become one of the largest landowners in America through his land acquisitions.
Global giants like Cargill, Monsanto, and Nestlé use every lever at their disposal to push for GMO production and the necessary pesticide use.
While there is resistance to GMO foods, they have already permeated the markets of the European Union, and as far as I know, many European universities have test plots and members who actively advocate for GMO production.

So, your response feels like a bit of a deflection and a distraction; it fails to address how sanctions against Russia will impact the fall planting season and the overall food self-sufficiency of the West.

Since you're avoiding a direct answer, let me lay it out plainly: I'll show you how the sanctions imposed on Russia will lead to soaring energy costs, gas, diesel, and fertilizer prices, and how that ripples back into food production and Western independence.

There will be massive negative consequences, if not outright catastrophes, regardless of the heavy subsidies being handed to farmers to try and keep food affordable for the general public.
I don't have a crystal ball, but from what I can see, the sanctions in this sector will trigger a massive counter-effect. Many lower-income citizens in wealthy nations will face the threat of poverty and hunger.
Meanwhile, in much of the developing world, those who were already struggling will face literal starvation. Especially children.
So much for these "brilliant sanctions" intended to "neutralize Russia" and stop it from "threatening the free world."

Based on your reply, it sounds like there is no fertilizer coming out of that plant in Houston, and nobody knows if or when it will ever be available again.

I'll leave you with two links that illustrate what is likely to happen. While the first link might not be a certainty, what it describes is almost certainly going to play out.

All of this has unfolded incredibly quickly, happening over just a matter of days

And then there is this specific scenario being mapped out by the analysts over at JPMorgan Chase, should we see a situation where the empire decides to strike back
https://seebiz.eu/energetika/jpmorga...e-nafte/278171

All because the Ukrainians refused to bow down to Vladimir Putin.
Vladimir Putin just got lucky—something you haven't experienced. You'd probably hand him your car, your house, or your wife just to keep gas prices low.$3.25
urbanotter urbanotter Regular
431 messages
joined Oct 2020
#5599 ·
cave troll said:Don't hold your breath, old man.
If we start implementing odd-even driving days and gas vouchers plus electricity subsidies, everything will be just wonderful.
Just like how you've been telling us for years how "wonderful" things were back in your home country.

It seems pretty likely.

But there is a silver lining here,😁
we won't have to deal with the hypocrisy of being forced into actions due to sanctions,
sanctions that used to target just one specific nation but now seem aimed at a massive number of countries and billions of people worldwide.😉

That really brings up a whole series of questions.

I mean, what have we actually been doing for the last 40 years? What was the point of all those sacrifices made in the hope of a better life, if everything ends up exactly the same—or perhaps even worse?🤔
urbanotter urbanotter Regular
431 messages
joined Oct 2020
#5600 ·
swiftjackal11 said:All because the Ukrainians refused to bow down to Vladimir Putin.
Vladimir Putin just got lucky—something you haven't experienced. You'd probably hand him your car, your house, or your wife just to keep gas prices low.$3.25

Please spare me the adolescent, pathetic attempts at wisdom and the cheap ad hominem attacks.

If you actually have something intelligent to contribute regarding the sanctions on Russia, I'm all ears, but if not, then just move on.🕺

You must log in or register to reply here.

Log in Register

🔗 Similar threads