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Schizophrenia - General Discussion

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Karen Garcia4 Karen Garcia4 Member
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#2701 ·
Robin Lopez2 said:That’s exactly why I believe—if you look at it from the opposite perspective—that every believer is a potential schizophrenic. There is always that underlying possibility that the illness could manifest in all its full glory, even if it doesn't necessarily happen that way.

I think you’re missing the mark there. Personally, I wasn't a believer; in fact, back then, I would have actually agreed with your sentiment because of my anti-religious stance. I always found believers to be boring, narrow-minded, and weak. It felt like they weren't truly living life to the fullest since their existence was just a collection of prohibitions and empty promises. Honestly, it was just unappealing.

Faith ended up being my last resort, and sometimes I feel like I only used it as an escape hatch. I'm not saying I'm "cured," but the kind of life I've lived over the last eight years is more than what some schizophrenics experience in an entire lifetime...

And... yeah... I've encountered plenty of Napoleons, da Vincis, and even the late Clinton, so don't worry about me. Illness always finds its own sense of mysticism, even when none exists.

@John Perez8, I'm actually a pretty cheerful person and always up for a joke, which, by the way, I’d recommend you try sometime. It feels like you've firmly decided to hand out diagnoses to everyone you meet. Luckily, I've already got mine...🙂
John Perez8 John Perez8 Member
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#2702 ·
Why on earth are you defending him when you don't even know the guy, especially since you clearly didn't even bother to read the symptoms I laid out? 😁 You calling this projection is just a reach.
Karen Garcia4 Karen Garcia4 Member
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#2703 ·
I'm not trying to defend anyone; I just think the behavior described could be interpreted in so many different ways. Honestly, I doubt even a licensed psychiatrist could give you a definitive answer based solely on what you wrote. There's just way too little information here...
@Mr Pringles gave a great response, if you ask me....
Henry Garcia9 Henry Garcia9 Member
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#2704 ·
Karen Garcia4 said:I'm not trying to defend anyone; I just think the behavior described could be interpreted in so many different ways. Honestly, I doubt even a licensed psychiatrist could give you a definitive answer based solely on what you wrote. There's just way too little information here...
@Mr Pringles gave a great response, if you ask me....

Look, I read the symptoms too, and yeah, it could go either way. But honestly? I’m leaning toward thinking the guy was just eccentric. John Perez8, there's really no point in obsessing over this when you haven't seen him since you guys broke up. And frankly, I don't think knowing if he actually has an illness is going to make you feel any better. Besides, you probably don't know enough about schizophrenia to play doctor here—especially since you're basing the whole diagnosis on him not making eye contact. 🤷
John Perez8 John Perez8 Member
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#2705 ·
I came across this listed as a symptom on one of those medical websites 🙂 You clearly haven't read the whole thing, or you simply have no interest in doing so. Whatever.
Henry Garcia9 Henry Garcia9 Member
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#2706 ·
I’ve read way too much about this, and honestly, I’ve lived through it myself. Plus, dealing with people struggling with this stuff is basically my daily grind during my studies. Just a friendly heads-up: don't go trying to play doctor and diagnose everyone you meet. But hey, if you need to do it just to get it out of your system, go ahead and 😉
John Perez8 John Perez8 Member
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#2707 ·
Yeah, I think I finally found the right people to ask 🙂 those who actually take this personally 🙂
Karen Garcia4 Karen Garcia4 Member
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#2708 ·
John Perez8 said:I came across this listed as a symptom on one of those medical websites 🙂 You clearly haven't read the whole thing, or you simply have no interest in doing so. Whatever.


I was watching this movie the other day where Leonardo DiCaprio says that's actually the laziest word in the English language.🙂 So, you don't exactly strike me as lazy. Rest your case...
Henry Garcia9 Henry Garcia9 Member
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#2709 ·
John Perez8 said:Yeah, I think I finally found the right people to ask 🙂 those who actually take this personally 🙂

Trust me, I’m taking this just as hard as you are. I just get the vibe you're wishing your ex had some tragic illness just so you'd have an excuse for why things went south.
Michelle Evans Michelle Evans Regular
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#2710 ·
Robin Lopez2 said:That’s exactly why I believe—if you look at it from the opposite perspective—that every believer is a potential schizophrenic. There is always that underlying possibility that the illness could manifest in all its full glory, even if it doesn't necessarily happen that way.

The logic is inverted. 🙂
It would be more accurate to say that every person with schizophrenia is a potential "believer." I put that in quotes because we aren't talking about traditional religion here. It's more about having a framework where a person's delusions can actually find a place to fit. But religiousness itself doesn't "cause" schizophrenia.

It’s the same with any lifestyle or personal philosophy an individual holds. Take vegetarianism, for example. In some cases, it isn't just a diet; it becomes a collection of rituals that serve as their own purpose. To an outsider, it looks like a deeply committed lifestyle choice, so people often just label them as eccentric.

@klikaklik, I don't take anything you write personally, so I hope this comes across in the right spirit. Some behaviors are indeed symptoms, but that doesn't apply to everything a person does. It isn't helpful to use an illness to justify every single action, and it isn't fair for those around the person to label every behavior as a symptom either. Honestly, it's quite patronizing and contributes to the stigma. It's also unfair if the individual uses their condition to excuse their actions toward others. That just leads to a passive attitude toward recovery...

Four years after a breakup, it might be time to embrace the choices you made back then—since being in that relationship was your decision—and acknowledge that it was a turbulent, destructive chapter. Finding peace with your past self is how you close that door. As for your ex and their issues, they are in the past now... leave them be.
John Perez8 John Perez8 Member
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#2711 ·
It is quite interesting how none of you actually addressed the specific symptoms I laid out, choosing instead to pivot toward my character and feel entitled to lecture me on how I should live my life 😁😁 even though I never once asked for your input. Given this blatant personal attack and the total lack of commentary on the actual medical issues, the only logical conclusion is that this topic hit a nerve for you 😁

You even went so far as to label me lazy 😁 which is laughable considering you have no idea who I am or what my work ethic actually looks like. You all seem to be generalizing a bit too much if you ask me. Don't go projecting your own flaws onto the rest of the world 🙂
Michelle Evans Michelle Evans Regular
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#2712 ·
Everyone here pointed out that those symptoms could mean anything. We aren't doctors, and this isn't a place for medical diagnoses, so what part of that is unclear? If you're frustrated by that answer, it’s probably just because you want someone to validate your theory about your ex... and that’s on you.
Larry Lewis Larry Lewis Regular
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#2713 ·
Honestly, you delusional people—this Zeldox has been the only thing pulling me out of the absolute gutter I was stuck in. I was actually starting to think about checking myself into a psychiatric ward at Mayo Clinic... just a hair's breadth away from that point, really.🙂
Karen Garcia4 Karen Garcia4 Member
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#2714 ·
Larry Lewis said:Honestly, you delusional people—this Zeldox has been the only thing pulling me out of the absolute gutter I was stuck in. I was actually starting to think about checking myself into a psychiatric ward at Mayo Clinic... just a hair's breadth away from that point, really.🙂

Well, good grief... I can handle just about anything life throws at me, but a hospital stay? That's where I draw the line. Definitely something to avoid at all costs...
Larry Lewis Larry Lewis Regular
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#2715 ·
Look, I’m not hearing voices, I’m not seeing things—I don't have any of those irrational delusions or whatever you want to call them. It’s just that my doctor has me stuck on this endless cycle of therapy again. And honestly? No amount of pills is going to fix the fact that I’m unemployed and dealing with a mountain of other life stressors—so yeah, I’m not exactly in the best headspace right now. Most of the time I feel like a walking zombie, and my brain feels like it's running at maybe thirty percent capacity thanks to these damn medications. All I really have left is a mild case of OCD, and frankly, I’ve had enough. My doctor wants to shove me into a psychiatric ward and pump me full of kilograms of drugs... so, I think I'll just go see a private specialist instead.
driftinggull21 driftinggull21 Active Member
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#2716 ·
Larry Lewis said:Look, I’m not hearing voices, I’m not seeing things—I don't have any of those irrational delusions or whatever you want to call them. It’s just that my doctor has me stuck on this endless cycle of therapy again. And honestly? No amount of pills is going to fix the fact that I’m unemployed and dealing with a mountain of other life stressors—so yeah, I’m not exactly in the best headspace right now. Most of the time I feel like a walking zombie, and my brain feels like it's running at maybe thirty percent capacity thanks to these damn medications. All I really have left is a mild case of OCD, and frankly, I’ve had enough. My doctor wants to shove me into a psychiatric ward and pump me full of kilograms of drugs... so, I think I'll just go see a private specialist instead.

1. What exactly do you mean by "heavy-duty therapy"?😁
2. I assume you've considered that you shouldn't be hallucinating while undergoing treatment.
3. Dosage requirements vary; some people need higher amounts while others need less to manage symptoms.🤷
4. Have you discussed your desire to taper off the dosage with your psychiatrist?
Larry Lewis Larry Lewis Regular
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#2717 ·
driftinggull21 said:1. What exactly do you mean by "heavy-duty therapy"?😁
2. I assume you've considered that you shouldn't be hallucinating while undergoing treatment.
3. Dosage requirements vary; some people need higher amounts while others need less to manage symptoms.🤷
4. Have you discussed your desire to taper off the dosage with your psychiatrist?

My current regimen is: 15mg Zyprexa, 160mg Zeldox, 30mg Diazepam, and 50mg Faverin.
Regarding the hallucinations—I only heard voices for about half an hour four years ago, and never again; I haven't seen anything visual.
I don't really see my doctor lowering the dose anytime soon, considering she just started me on this specific cocktail.

Look, it's fine that the psychotic thoughts and the voices have cleared out, but I'm mostly stuck in this low mood—just feeling totally unmotivated and disinterested—plus there are other things weighing on me, but I'd rather not go there right now.

This whole condition has absolutely drained me mentally across the board—I feel it deeply—and honestly, being in such a fragile state isn't exactly the most "in" thing to be right now.🙂
driftinggull21 driftinggull21 Active Member
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#2718 ·
Larry Lewis said:My current regimen is: 15mg Zyprexa, 160mg Zeldox, 30mg Diazepam, and 50mg Faverin.
Regarding the hallucinations—I only heard voices for about half an hour four years ago, and never again; I haven't seen anything visual.
I don't really see my doctor lowering the dose anytime soon, considering she just started me on this specific cocktail.

Look, it's fine that the psychotic thoughts and the voices have cleared out, but I'm mostly stuck in this low mood—just feeling totally unmotivated and disinterested—plus there are other things weighing on me, but I'd rather not go there right now.

This whole condition has absolutely drained me mentally across the board—I feel it deeply—and honestly, being in such a fragile state isn't exactly the most "in" thing to be right now.🙂

The goal of titration is to identify the minimum dose required for a patient to function optimally. During your check-up, you should feel free to ask about the treatment plan, how long you will remain on this dosage, and when tapering might be attempted...

As for having had hallucinations four years ago, it implies a few things:
- Be glad that you are responding well to the therapy and that your symptoms are effectively managed.
- These productive or positive schizophrenia symptoms (hallucinations, delusions) are actually "more benign"—despite appearing terrifying—and easier to manage pharmacologically than negative or deficit symptoms (social isolation, poor communication, depressive moods, withdrawal). One must pay close attention to those, ensuring they are thoroughly covered with antipsychotics, as they represent the more "dangerous side" of schizophrenia.

Any chronic condition, whether physical or mental, is stressful and naturally exhausting. Some people find a way to cope successfully, while others do not. That is simply the reality. Many patients have reported that supportive psychotherapy or group sessions helped them manage.
Larry Lewis Larry Lewis Regular
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#2719 ·
driftinggull21 said:The goal of titration is to identify the minimum dose required for a patient to function optimally. During your check-up, you should feel free to ask about the treatment plan, how long you will remain on this dosage, and when tapering might be attempted...

As for having had hallucinations four years ago, it implies a few things:
- Be glad that you are responding well to the therapy and that your symptoms are effectively managed.
- These productive or positive schizophrenia symptoms (hallucinations, delusions) are actually "more benign"—despite appearing terrifying—and easier to manage pharmacologically than negative or deficit symptoms (social isolation, poor communication, depressive moods, withdrawal). One must pay close attention to those, ensuring they are thoroughly covered with antipsychotics, as they represent the more "dangerous side" of schizophrenia.

Any chronic condition, whether physical or mental, is stressful and naturally exhausting. Some people find a way to cope successfully, while others do not. That is simply the reality. Many patients have reported that supportive psychotherapy or group sessions helped them manage.

Group therapy isn't some inherent disaster—honestly, I go myself, and I find the whole experience perfectly acceptable. It’s easy to get caught up in the cynicism surrounding it—the idea that sitting in a circle with strangers is somehow performative or useless—but my own experience suggests otherwise. It can be quite grounding, provided you find the right group, though finding a therapist who actually listens instead of just checking boxes is a bit like hunting for a decent cup of coffee in a city full of burnt espresso chains. Anyway, I’m fine with it.

Most days—most of the time, actually—I’m functioning just fine. I’m holding it together, moving through the motions without much fuss, and life feels relatively stable. But then, out of nowhere—like a sudden thunderstorm hitting the Midwest when you least expect it—this crushing depression just slams into me. Everything falls apart. Suddenly, I can't stand the sight of anyone, and dealing with that mental collapse is an absolute gauntlet to run. It’s exhausting. The one silver lining—if you can even call it that—is that I usually bounce back pretty quickly. For instance, yesterday was a total wreck, a complete downward spiral, yet here I am today feeling perfectly fine. It sounds contradictory, I know, but that's the reality of it. However, this leaves me staring down a rather daunting dilemma: how on earth am I supposed to commit to anything serious or build a career when I feel like I could spontaneously disintegrate at any given moment? It’s a constant, nagging anxiety—the fear that my own stability is just an illusion waiting to shatter.

I’m still dealing with this mild OCD—it doesn’t really get in my way most of the time, I suppose—but those sudden, sharp spikes? Those are the ones that truly terrify me. It’s pure horror, honestly. In those moments, when the anxiety just hits a fever pitch, no amount of prescription pills can touch it. They’re useless against that specific kind of dread.

Life has thrown some serious curveballs my way lately—honestly, it feels like I’ve been stuck in a bit of a downward spiral for quite some time now—but there really isn't any other option but to keep pushing forward... regardless of how much everything might just blow up in my face.

Thanks for the input, driftinggull21—really appreciate you taking the time to weigh in.
Harold Anderson3 Harold Anderson3 Regular
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#2720 ·
Larry Lewis said:Group therapy isn't some inherent disaster—honestly, I go myself, and I find the whole experience perfectly acceptable. It’s easy to get caught up in the cynicism surrounding it—the idea that sitting in a circle with strangers is somehow performative or useless—but my own experience suggests otherwise. It can be quite grounding, provided you find the right group, though finding a therapist who actually listens instead of just checking boxes is a bit like hunting for a decent cup of coffee in a city full of burnt espresso chains. Anyway, I’m fine with it.

Most days—most of the time, actually—I’m functioning just fine. I’m holding it together, moving through the motions without much fuss, and life feels relatively stable. But then, out of nowhere—like a sudden thunderstorm hitting the Midwest when you least expect it—this crushing depression just slams into me. Everything falls apart. Suddenly, I can't stand the sight of anyone, and dealing with that mental collapse is an absolute gauntlet to run. It’s exhausting. The one silver lining—if you can even call it that—is that I usually bounce back pretty quickly. For instance, yesterday was a total wreck, a complete downward spiral, yet here I am today feeling perfectly fine. It sounds contradictory, I know, but that's the reality of it. However, this leaves me staring down a rather daunting dilemma: how on earth am I supposed to commit to anything serious or build a career when I feel like I could spontaneously disintegrate at any given moment? It’s a constant, nagging anxiety—the fear that my own stability is just an illusion waiting to shatter.

I’m still dealing with this mild OCD—it doesn’t really get in my way most of the time, I suppose—but those sudden, sharp spikes? Those are the ones that truly terrify me. It’s pure horror, honestly. In those moments, when the anxiety just hits a fever pitch, no amount of prescription pills can touch it. They’re useless against that specific kind of dread.

Life has thrown some serious curveballs my way lately—honestly, it feels like I’ve been stuck in a bit of a downward spiral for quite some time now—but there really isn't any other option but to keep pushing forward... regardless of how much everything might just blow up in my face.

Thanks for the input, driftinggull21—really appreciate you taking the time to weigh in.

It really frustrates me how doctors and hospital staff tend to downplay things, acting like schizophrenia isn't that big of a deal—or that any mental health struggle isn't. They essentially try to sugarcoat it for us, but once you step back out into the real world and leave the hospital behind, you realize how overwhelming it really is and how much of a struggle it can be. The medication makes me feel a bit slowed down, and I catch myself daydreaming quite often, which people definitely notice... I'm speaking from experience regarding how this affects my job.
And don't even get me started on the idea of trying to maintain a relationship with someone who doesn't have these struggles.
My advice to you, Larry Lewis, is to try and stay active with some kind of work. I deal with mood swings too, but I've managed to hold down the same job for over three months now. It's nothing fancy—just feeding metal sheets into a machine and catching them as they come out—but I actually find happiness in it.
Hang in there, 😉

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