Transgender Corner

Lisa Hernandez3 said:Who are you asking? I suppose she could theoretically step into a moderator role just by being motivated—though, honestly, we aren't really discussing that right now. Let's just take a moment to enjoy the sunshine instead. If anyone feels like sharing a compliment, feel free... as long as it isn't just someone being shut out.

I guess I was just being general! It honestly feels like I have to explain myself three times over sometimes. 😁 Though, unless I've had a really bad day, I usually mean exactly what I write down.😁

Theoretically, she could moderate just by being motivated, even though we aren't actually talking about that right now.

Oh, I wouldn't want to, believe me! I'm just not on Reddit often enough, and honestly, I don't think there's any chance I'd ever actually ban anyone.

Let's bring the concept out into the light. If anyone has any compliments, feel free to share them! Just please, no bashing.

I'm actually working on it right this second! It might take a little while, though, because I'm trying my absolute best to make sure everything turns out perfect.😁

briskpuma23 said:Are you implying this poster is talking about me, or are you claiming I was focusing on you?

As for anything else—you can never predict which way a subforum will go. Reddit isn't the same thing it was five years ago.

Here's the reality, which just occurred to me: a transgender corner will inevitably be created sooner or later. If that's the case, it's better to get it over with now.

I don't personally know anyone from that community, but it's perfectly clear to me that they are one of the most marginalized groups in America. Reddit has a moral obligation to provide those people with their own space, and that's where my argument ends. Besides, as Matthew Grant9 pointed out, a transgender corner has the potential to expand, raising societal questions that often go unasked and providing perspectives that offer a different look at our culture—making it much more than just a refuge for a marginalized group.

Whether the TK will be more serious than the ŽK (everything is more serious than MK) isn't something we can know ahead of time. If someone turns it into a freak show, then it really shouldn't be started. But ultimately, that depends on the moderators and the users.

Castro could moderate it. Along with someone a bit gentler. When I say gentler, I don't mean cowardly moderation, but rather someone who acts more like a moderator/educator, using a polite approach to explain to users why certain things shouldn't be posted. But those are technicalities I don't want to deal with.

P.S. It's honestly incredible to me that both Herp and Lisa Hernandez3 took my metaphorical provocations on their subforums so seriously. Give yourselves a break—humor, even when it falls flat, is still just humor.

Now, if I were being completely blunt, the most effective way to handle this would be to just dump a massive pile of 😲😲😲 on them and call it a day—but, well, that’s illegal. 😁

It is quite, um, peculiar to see someone invoking nothing less than a moral obligation (good grief, here we go again: 😲😲😲) regarding what a platform owes to one specific demographic or another.

Lisa Hernandez3, I’m just starting the conversation here. Honestly, I’m surprised no one else—especially someone from the LGBTQ+ community on Reddit—has brought this up yet.

When I started this thread, I didn't sit down and map out exactly how a subforum like this should function.

Besides, I don't really feel like it's my place to judge or force my own vision on everyone.

I actually like the direction you and Matthew Grant9 are taking with it, so I'm following your lead. We'll just have to see what this place eventually turns into.

Matthew Grant9 said:I guess I was just being general! It honestly feels like I have to explain myself three times over sometimes. 😁 Though, unless I've had a really bad day, I usually mean exactly what I write down.😁

Theoretically, she could moderate just by being motivated, even though we aren't actually talking about that right now.

Oh, I wouldn't want to, believe me! I'm just not on Reddit often enough, and honestly, I don't think there's any chance I'd ever actually ban anyone.

Let's bring the concept out into the light. If anyone has any compliments, feel free to share them! Just please, no bashing.

I'm actually working on it right this second! It might take a little while, though, because I'm trying my absolute best to make sure everything turns out perfect.😁

This sounds great. I’m looking forward to reading more—though I do want to gently ask briskpuma23 not to dodge his moral responsibility to help us brainstorm this party. I mean, I’m only asking nicely.

briskpuma23 said:Lisa Hernandez3, I’m just starting the conversation here. Honestly, I’m surprised no one else—especially someone from the LGBTQ+ community on Reddit—has brought this up yet.

When I started this thread, I didn't sit down and map out exactly how a subforum like this should function.

Besides, I don't really feel like it's my place to judge or force my own vision on everyone.

I actually like the direction you and Matthew Grant9 are taking with it, so I'm following your lead. We'll just have to see what this place eventually turns into.

Of course you have that right, and honestly, it makes sense to think things through completely—or at least toward the end.
Edit: removing that part; sorry if the tone came off wrong.

briskpuma23 said:Lisa Hernandez3, I’m just starting the conversation here. Honestly, I’m surprised no one else—especially someone from the LGBTQ+ community on Reddit—has brought this up yet.

When I started this thread, I didn't sit down and map out exactly how a subforum like this should function.

Besides, I don't really feel like it's my place to judge or force my own vision on everyone.

I actually like the direction you and Matthew Grant9 are taking with it, so I'm following your lead. We'll just have to see what this place eventually turns into.

Back when this was first being discussed—way before it became an issue—I was actually against it.
I think I made my reasoning pretty clear: I have no interest in helping build ghettos, period.
LGBTQ+ individuals don't pay their bills differently, they don't love differently, and they aren't dealing with some magical set of problems that isn't shared by anyone else in society.
If someone suggested opening up a specific town in the States exclusively for the LGBTQ+ population, it would—quite rightly—be met with massive backlash as blatant discrimination and social exclusion.
My questions here are simply trying to understand the logic behind why this needs to be different from the rest of life, and why it shouldn't just exist within the general forums like everything else.
And as for this whole "moral obligation" argument—give me a break, please, spare me the sermonizing.
🙂

Reddit has this sub-forum Politics at the Edge, which basically acts as a playground for bigots to vent their nationalistic and religious prejudices.

When a platform hosts a space like that, it has a moral obligation to its users to provide marginalized groups with their own dedicated spaces. That’s not an opinion; it’s just common sense. 😉

Besides, if you’ve kept up with Nina or Lisa Hernandez3, you'll see this would be much more than just a "trans corner" (just like the Women's Corner is often way more than just about women).

Look, we aren't talking about creating a ghetto here. We're talking about opening a sub-forum designed from the ground up with a different perspective and stricter standards—specifically regarding hate speech. I believe the moderation should be incredibly strict on harassment, even if it stays relaxed otherwise.

It feels pretty silly that I even have to explain this. Just open the sub-forum, appoint the right moderators, and watch the community grow. It’s that simple.

Usually, when you set up a new sub-forum, there’s already a specific crowd and a set of core topics that justify its existence in the first place, right? It’s common sense.
But here, the vibe feels more like we're just throwing a door open and seeing what happens, which is a bit weird because we haven't even figured out what actually belongs in there yet.
Based on everything that’s been laid out so far, this could end up being anything from a catch-all miscellaneous section to a dedicated off-topic lounge—though, honestly, those types of sections already exist.

So, naturally, I have a few questions and some requests for clarification if anyone’s willing to explain the logic here.

After clearing up all those confusing points, I think I’ve finally grasped what briskpuma23 was getting at with his intro! It feels like his vision and my own ideas might actually be two sides of the same coin, so here goes—taking a stab at a concept, or at least how I personally envision it, just like Lisa Hernandez3 suggested.

The subforum would essentially function much like our current Men's & Women's Corner, offering a huge variety of topics while maintaining strict guidelines on what stays out (basically, any kind of chauvinism is a no-go... and let's not forget the "smiley-face only" posts 😁).

So, the target audience would be those folks that briskpuma23 described as being "trans-gendered, non-nationalists, stateless, and xenophiles."
Regarding the trans-gendered aspect (which was definitely the most confusing part!), I was thinking about gender fluidity in terms of all sorts of life roles and social situations, rather than just focusing on sexual preferences when picking a partner. Basically, I mean people who don't really care about the gender of the person they're chatting with on topics that have nothing to do with sex (which is hard to say for the current Men's & Women's Corner), and also people who aren't concerned with the gender of whoever they happen to fall in love with.

That same logic can totally be applied to the other three groups—the non-nationalists, the stateless, and the xenophiles.
If I’m being a little sentimental, I guess I was aiming for people who simply view everyone else as human beings.

Since we never run out of things to talk about in the existing corners, I don't think we'd have any trouble finding enough material for this one either.
As for the participants... maybe it's just me, but after browsing through various other subreddits, I get the impression there are plenty of people who fit perfectly into that group briskpuma23 described, and I honestly think they’d jump at the chance to post in a space that’s truly "their" corner.

Thanks so much in advance!

briskpuma23 said:Are you implying this poster is talking about me, or are you claiming I was focusing on you?

As for anything else—you can never predict which way a subforum will go. Reddit isn't the same thing it was five years ago.

Here's the reality, which just occurred to me: a transgender corner will inevitably be created sooner or later. If that's the case, it's better to get it over with now.

I don't personally know anyone from that community, but it's perfectly clear to me that they are one of the most marginalized groups in America. Reddit has a moral obligation to provide those people with their own space, and that's where my argument ends. Besides, as Matthew Grant9 pointed out, a transgender corner has the potential to expand, raising societal questions that often go unasked and providing perspectives that offer a different look at our culture—making it much more than just a refuge for a marginalized group.

Whether the TK will be more serious than the ŽK (everything is more serious than MK) isn't something we can know ahead of time. If someone turns it into a freak show, then it really shouldn't be started. But ultimately, that depends on the moderators and the users.

Castro could moderate it. Along with someone a bit gentler. When I say gentler, I don't mean cowardly moderation, but rather someone who acts more like a moderator/educator, using a polite approach to explain to users why certain things shouldn't be posted. But those are technicalities I don't want to deal with.

P.S. It's honestly incredible to me that both Herp and Lisa Hernandez3 took my metaphorical provocations on their subforums so seriously. Give yourselves a break—humor, even when it falls flat, is still just humor.

You’re neither a hero nor a saint, for crying out loud. 🤷

Is this supposed to be funny? If you don't actually have anything to contribute to the topic, then just move on.

Matthew Grant9 said:I guess I was just being general! It honestly feels like I have to explain myself three times over sometimes. 😁 Though, unless I've had a really bad day, I usually mean exactly what I write down.😁

Theoretically, she could moderate just by being motivated, even though we aren't actually talking about that right now.

Oh, I wouldn't want to, believe me! I'm just not on Reddit often enough, and honestly, I don't think there's any chance I'd ever actually ban anyone.

Let's bring the concept out into the light. If anyone has any compliments, feel free to share them! Just please, no bashing.

I'm actually working on it right this second! It might take a little while, though, because I'm trying my absolute best to make sure everything turns out perfect.😁

Oh, you totally could if you wanted to! 🙂
The reason you aren't banning people isn't because you're trying to be mean, it's because you make the whole conversation so much better—you basically act as a shield for the decent users, protecting them from all the trolls, spammers, and those other toxic ways people try to communicate online. 😁

And hey, it doesn't always have to be an immediate hammer blow; you can always give someone a fair warning first. 😳

briskpuma23 said:Is this supposed to be funny? If you don't actually have anything to contribute to the topic, then just move on.

Since you're so quick to bring up "classic provocations," it would be nice if you actually had posts on more than six different threads in the subforum you're supposedly "agitating." That way, those of us who want to get a handle on your whole persona might actually figure out if you're just kidding around...
As it stands, the only thing you're really provoking is that old-school mindset of "I don't care if my wife dies, but I won't let anyone disrespect her."

I honestly can't believe we're still having this debate, but here we go again! I was just sitting here thinking about how much things have changed lately, and it feels like every time I log onto Reddit, someone is bringing up this exact same topic. It’s funny, really—it reminds me of those endless family dinners back home where everyone thinks they’re an expert on everything from politics to the best way to grill a steak. You know the vibe: loud, passionate, and slightly chaotic. Anyway, I wanted to jump in because I feel like we’re missing the forest for the trees here. We get so caught up in the tiny details that we forget what we were actually trying to solve in the first place. I remember back when I was working my first big job in Chicago, I used to get into these massive arguments with my manager about project timelines. Looking back, most of it was just noise. We were so focused on being "right" that we forgot to be productive. So, let's take a breath. Instead of just circling the drain with the same old arguments, why don't we try looking at this from a different angle? I've been reading up on some new approaches to this, and honestly, it changes the whole conversation. What do you guys think? Is it worth sticking to the old way, or are we ready to actually move forward? I'm curious to see if anyone else feels like we're just spinning our wheels. kaže:
Reddit actually has its own dedicated sub-forum. On the edge of politics....which basically serves as a little oasis for primitives to gather and hurl insults based on nationality or religion.

Look, let’s get one thing straight: this subforum isn't some designated zone for people to just go around hurling insults at each other. That’s totally not what we're here for. The whole point of having this space is to give the main political forum a bit of breathing room. It’s meant to be a way to offload all those topics that aren't strictly about politics so the main board doesn't get cluttered. It's about keeping things organized, not creating a playground for negativity.

redmarlin3 said:Since you're so quick to bring up "classic provocations," it would be nice if you actually had posts on more than six different threads in the subforum you're supposedly "agitating." That way, those of us who want to get a handle on your whole persona might actually figure out if you're just kidding around...
As it stands, the only thing you're really provoking is that old-school mindset of "I don't care if my wife dies, but I won't let anyone disrespect her."

Do you really feel like you have to go out of your way to post on a specific subreddit just to realize that the sub isn't actually giving you what you're looking for?

Sam Green73 said:

I honestly can't believe we're still having this debate, but here we go again! I was just sitting here thinking about how much things have changed lately, and it feels like every time I log onto Reddit, someone is bringing up this exact same topic. It’s funny, really—it reminds me of those endless family dinners back home where everyone thinks they’re an expert on everything from politics to the best way to grill a steak. You know the vibe: loud, passionate, and slightly chaotic. Anyway, I wanted to jump in because I feel like we’re missing the forest for the trees here. We get so caught up in the tiny details that we forget what we were actually trying to solve in the first place. I remember back when I was working my first big job in Chicago, I used to get into these massive arguments with my manager about project timelines. Looking back, most of it was just noise. We were so focused on being "right" that we forgot to be productive. So, let's take a breath. Instead of just circling the drain with the same old arguments, why don't we try looking at this from a different angle? I've been reading up on some new approaches to this, and honestly, it changes the whole conversation. What do you guys think? Is it worth sticking to the old way, or are we ready to actually move forward? I'm curious to see if anyone else feels like we're just spinning our wheels. kaže:
Reddit actually has its own dedicated sub-forum. On the edge of politics....which basically serves as a little oasis for primitives to gather and hurl insults based on nationality or religion.

Look, let’s get one thing straight: this subforum isn't some designated zone for people to just go around hurling insults at each other. That’s totally not what we're here for. The whole point of having this space is to give the main political forum a bit of breathing room. It’s meant to be a way to offload all those topics that aren't strictly about politics so the main board doesn't get cluttered. It's about keeping things organized, not creating a playground for negativity.

Do you really feel like you have to go out of your way to post on a specific subreddit just to realize that the sub isn't actually giving you what you're looking for?

Not at all. I think you only bother posting on a sub if you want to lecture everyone about your own personal "wisdom" after you've spent the whole time trashing the place... and then you have the nerve to smirk and claim you were "just joking" when nobody laughs at your little punchline... it's honestly exhausting...

Can a moderator please step in and deal with redmarlin3? They’ve managed to post three times in a row without actually saying anything relevant to the topic. And they're just getting started. Thanks.

Well, I suppose jokes aside, we really are reworking things that have been bothering us for a while—so drawing parallels to other subreddits, while framing it as a vision for a higher quality space that might overcome the supposed flaws of current sections, definitely belongs in this conversation. Even if those "flaws" are just basic introductory stereotypes or mere teasers. Redmarlin3 (Herpov 😍) off-topic isn't actually what it seems, because it illustrates the real work still needed here—specifically, the willingness to fully commit to a certain concept and put everything on the line to make it happen.

Nina, I’d suggest you try an experiment: maybe open a thread over in the Faculty of Humanities and Social Sciences that would, in your opinion, capture the exact tone and content we’d want to see on a future subforum like that—just to see if the idea actually holds water.

@rustydrifter10...honestly, I don't think that would be a great move, and we should probably steer clear of that specific angle entirely! Instead, let's put all our energy into convincing the higher-ups and the decision-makers that this new corner of the site is actually a necessity.

Lisa Hernandez3 said:Well, I suppose jokes aside, we really are reworking things that have been bothering us for a while—so drawing parallels to other subreddits, while framing it as a vision for a higher quality space that might overcome the supposed flaws of current sections, definitely belongs in this conversation. Even if those "flaws" are just basic introductory stereotypes or mere teasers. Redmarlin3 (Herpov 😍) off-topic isn't actually what it seems, because it illustrates the real work still needed here—specifically, the willingness to fully commit to a certain concept and put everything on the line to make it happen.

Nina, I’d suggest you try an experiment: maybe open a thread over in the Faculty of Humanities and Social Sciences that would, in your opinion, capture the exact tone and content we’d want to see on a future subforum like that—just to see if the idea actually holds water.

I’m feeling a little lost here and could really use some clarification—feel free to shoot me a DM if that's easier—because I have this nagging feeling we're drifting away from the core issue, and I'd hate for that to negatively impact how the admin team views our proposal for the new sub-forum.
I'm just not quite sure if you're suggesting I start a thread for the purpose of:
a.) "Recruiting members" to join the new sub-forum.
b.) Conducting a general analysis of whether we can actually hold truly reasoned debates on Reddit without people bringing gender, nationality, or other identities into it. (By that, I mean those instances where such comments are totally irrelevant to the topic. Of course, there are topics where those factors matter, and we shouldn't ignore them there!)
c.) Taking a purely psychological approach to the whole problem.
d.) A mix of the options above.
e.) Something else entirely.

Just a quick side note: unfortunately, I'm really reluctant to go with option c. I mentioned before that I usually only start threads when I'm genuinely stumped, and since about 80% of my own family graduated from two different departments at the Faculty of Humanities and Social Sciences (specifically psychology and sociology), my natural curiosity combined with that upbringing makes the whole psychological aspect of this issue feel... well, pretty obvious to me. 😬

(...) because he's essentially illustrating the work that still needs to be done regarding this topic—specifically, the willingness to fully commit to a concept and put everything on the line to make it happen.

I have to ask... (yes, yes, I know I'm being a bit much, but at least I'm being polite about it!) ...is this advice coming from an administrative standpoint or just as a fellow user?
I'm only asking because I'd love to hear what the administration thinks, and I'm sure others would too... just give us a sign that you've noticed us or that our ideas are actually being considered!

Matthew Grant9 said:@rustydrifter10...honestly, I don't think that would be a great move, and we should probably steer clear of that specific angle entirely! Instead, let's put all our energy into convincing the higher-ups and the decision-makers that this new corner of the site is actually a necessity.

I’m feeling a little lost here and could really use some clarification—feel free to shoot me a DM if that's easier—because I have this nagging feeling we're drifting away from the core issue, and I'd hate for that to negatively impact how the admin team views our proposal for the new sub-forum.
I'm just not quite sure if you're suggesting I start a thread for the purpose of:
a.) "Recruiting members" to join the new sub-forum.
b.) Conducting a general analysis of whether we can actually hold truly reasoned debates on Reddit without people bringing gender, nationality, or other identities into it. (By that, I mean those instances where such comments are totally irrelevant to the topic. Of course, there are topics where those factors matter, and we shouldn't ignore them there!)
c.) Taking a purely psychological approach to the whole problem.
d.) A mix of the options above.
e.) Something else entirely.

Just a quick side note: unfortunately, I'm really reluctant to go with option c. I mentioned before that I usually only start threads when I'm genuinely stumped, and since about 80% of my own family graduated from two different departments at the Faculty of Humanities and Social Sciences (specifically psychology and sociology), my natural curiosity combined with that upbringing makes the whole psychological aspect of this issue feel... well, pretty obvious to me. 😬

(...) because he's essentially illustrating the work that still needs to be done regarding this topic—specifically, the willingness to fully commit to a concept and put everything on the line to make it happen.

I have to ask... (yes, yes, I know I'm being a bit much, but at least I'm being polite about it!) ...is this advice coming from an administrative standpoint or just as a fellow user?
I'm only asking because I'd love to hear what the administration thinks, and I'm sure others would too... just give us a sign that you've noticed us or that our ideas are actually being considered!

Well, more for testing out parts of your concept, I suppose. It might be useful just to see how an idea actually plays out in a live discussion—mostly for your own benefit, really. I can't exactly pinpoint which specific idea you have in mind, since I can't read your thoughts, obviously. I’m just offering this as a potential approach; it isn't strictly tied to how we set up this sub-forum, though it could certainly be helpful.

Is this some kind of... administrative advice?

No, it isn't.

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