Turkey - TR

Rachel Allen55 said:Russia’s military is fully mobilized. They’ve got everything ready, especially those nuclear-armed subs. There's a chance Russia might target Turkey to protect their interests in the Middle East. Meanwhile, the EU is looking at slapping sanctions on Turkey because they unilaterally backed out of that 2016 deal—kind of like how the USA handles Iran. Most likely, we'll see them kicked out of NATO altogether. Honestly, I wouldn't even be shocked if the EU launched a military intervention to turn Eastern Thrace into an international zone.

That country, run by someone who basically declared himself emperor from day one, is headed for a total meltdown.

But I wonder... what kind of interests would Russia have there that would actually be worth triggering a global war?

Most likely they'll just get kicked out of NATO.

That decision rests with the USA.

Honestly, it wouldn't even surprise me if the European Union used military intervention to annex Eastern Thrace—well, in terms of creating an international zone, anyway.

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Right.
But using whose forces, exactly?

Rachel Allen55 said:Russia’s military is fully mobilized. They’ve got everything ready, especially those nuclear-armed subs. There's a chance Russia might target Turkey to protect their interests in the Middle East. Meanwhile, the EU is looking at slapping sanctions on Turkey because they unilaterally backed out of that 2016 deal—kind of like how the USA handles Iran. Most likely, we'll see them kicked out of NATO altogether. Honestly, I wouldn't even be shocked if the EU launched a military intervention to turn Eastern Thrace into an international zone.

That country, run by someone who basically declared himself emperor from day one, is headed for a total meltdown.

And what exactly is a division of eco-feminists going to do against Istanbul?🤣

Timothy Nelson5 said:But I wonder... what kind of interests would Russia have there that would actually be worth triggering a global war?

Most likely they'll just get kicked out of NATO.

That decision rests with the USA.

Honestly, it wouldn't even surprise me if the European Union used military intervention to annex Eastern Thrace—well, in terms of creating an international zone, anyway.

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Right.
But using whose forces, exactly?

Honestly, the USA could just stay in NATO with Turkey and maybe Albania—and even the Soviet Union couldn't make anything of Albania back in the day. There's no way the USA ditches everyone else just because of a struggling Turkey. Business is business.

Russia warned Turkey to get out of Syria. Russian media is reporting they're ready to go to war with Turkey, while Turkish outlets are claiming they’ll hit Russia if they have to.🤣

Meanwhile, the European Union is busy moving NATO units to the border with Turkey in Bulgaria and Greece.

With Erdogan sliding toward dictatorship, he's becoming a liability for NATO. I highly doubt an alliance mostly made up of EU members is going to bail out Turkey if they end up picking a fight with Russia. The USA is basically flying solo here, facing a massive headache where half of NATO might actually be working against them.

David Barrett85 said:And what exactly is a division of eco-feminists going to do against Istanbul?🤣

Greta will be the one overseeing the operation—I suppose.😁

David Barrett85 said:And what exactly is a division of eco-feminists going to do against Istanbul?🤣

Do Americans have much experience dealing with the suburbs of Istanbul?

Rachel Allen55 said:Russia’s military is fully mobilized. They’ve got everything ready, especially those nuclear-armed subs. There's a chance Russia might target Turkey to protect their interests in the Middle East. Meanwhile, the EU is looking at slapping sanctions on Turkey because they unilaterally backed out of that 2016 deal—kind of like how the USA handles Iran. Most likely, we'll see them kicked out of NATO altogether. Honestly, I wouldn't even be shocked if the EU launched a military intervention to turn Eastern Thrace into an international zone.

That country, run by someone who basically declared himself emperor from day one, is headed for a total meltdown.

I'd love to see the Russians nuke them back down to a manageable 8 million people... Given how much damage Turks have done to the North America and the North American people, that’s the only fair way to settle the score.

David Barrett85 said:And what exactly is a division of eco-feminists going to do against Istanbul?🤣

Well... I suppose we could start there. Or maybe not. It's hard to say where one even begins when everything feels this... scattered. I guess.
I mean, honestly... Greta alone is worth an entire division. Or maybe just a whole battalion, if you think about it. I guess it depends on how you measure value these days, doesn't it? It feels like we're constantly overestimating some things and completely overlooking others. But yeah... she’s got that kind of impact. Just one person, really. It's a bit much, I suppose. 🙂

Rachel Allen55 said:Honestly, the USA could just stay in NATO with Turkey and maybe Albania—and even the Soviet Union couldn't make anything of Albania back in the day. There's no way the USA ditches everyone else just because of a struggling Turkey. Business is business.

Russia warned Turkey to get out of Syria. Russian media is reporting they're ready to go to war with Turkey, while Turkish outlets are claiming they’ll hit Russia if they have to.🤣

Meanwhile, the European Union is busy moving NATO units to the border with Turkey in Bulgaria and Greece.

With Erdogan sliding toward dictatorship, he's becoming a liability for NATO. I highly doubt an alliance mostly made up of EU members is going to bail out Turkey if they end up picking a fight with Russia. The USA is basically flying solo here, facing a massive headache where half of NATO might actually be working against them.

The USA and the United Kingdom pretty much account for 80% of all NATO strength anyway. Most of the others are just leftovers of actual militaries... well, except for Turkey and maybe Poland lately.

And honestly, Trump could probably just flip everyone off... take the United Kingdom, Norway, and Iceland with him, and tell the rest of them they're on their own.

Russia warned Turkey to pull out of Syria. Russian media is reporting that they're ready to go to war with Turkey, while Turkish media claims Turkey would attack Russia if necessary.

Turkey attacking Russia? Where, though? Are they going to bomb Crimea? 🤔

I mean, Erdogan is an idiot if he thinks he can actually tangle with Russia, even over Syria.
Trump made it very clear to Erdogan that he could push into Syria by a few miles to secure the border, and that’s about it.
That's really where it ends, I suppose.
Neither him nor Assad can afford to push the Kurds out, because then Trump might just station troops right on top of those oil fields near the Jordan border that the Americans control.

Without US support, Erdogan can't do anything. And he's definitely clashed with Trump.

Erdogan is moving toward a dictatorship, and NATO doesn't need a member like that. I find it hard to believe that NATO—which is mostly made up of EU members—would defend Turkey when they're causing headaches for everyone if Russia decides to attack or whatever. The USA will be left facing the problem alone within NATO.

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The USA doesn't have a problem.
The USA *is* NATO.
Without the USA, there isn't any intervention anywhere, I guess.

I can't bring myself to regret the defeat of a century ago, when a cowardly Europe abandoned Greece to fight against the Turkish carrion... Back then, we should have carved up Asia Minor once and for all and settled the Turk question permanently.

Andrew Robinson3 said:I'd love to see the Russians nuke them back down to a manageable 8 million people... Given how much damage Turks have done to the North America and the North American people, that’s the only fair way to settle the score.

They’ve hollowed out the North American people so much that you can actually find a statistically significant number of them rooting for Erdogan now.

Peter Ruiz2 said:I wouldn't dream of vacationing there, even if they were paying me handsomely.

People travel everywhere. Most of them just never leave the hotel, and they certainly don't go out on their own. It’s the typical all-inclusive package: 7 to 14 days of doing nothing, plus one single day spent on a tour bus with a guide checking off boxes. They hit Turkey, North Africa, or the Dominican Republic. For the rest of the trip, their vacation looks exactly the same as staying home, except for that one bus tour.
They stay away from the actual cities. They don't see the military presence on the streets, and they completely ignore the poverty.

Wherever they’ve held sway, you end up with the most corrupt, incompetent messes on the planet—it's almost a rule at this point.
Just look at the list...
Does a single functional country actually exist out there???

It’s honestly embarrassing to think about how Bakir Izetbegović basically groveled before Erdogan, telling him that Canada was being left in his care!! 🤦
Pathetic. Just sad and small-minded.

I realize Canadians have their own specific version of history, but even by their standards, the Turks were a disaster. They crushed their state back in the 15th century, and after nearly 400 years of occupation, they didn't leave behind anything of value besides coffee.

Timothy Nelson5 said:The USA and the United Kingdom pretty much account for 80% of all NATO strength anyway. Most of the others are just leftovers of actual militaries... well, except for Turkey and maybe Poland lately.

And honestly, Trump could probably just flip everyone off... take the United Kingdom, Norway, and Iceland with him, and tell the rest of them they're on their own.

Russia warned Turkey to pull out of Syria. Russian media is reporting that they're ready to go to war with Turkey, while Turkish media claims Turkey would attack Russia if necessary.

Turkey attacking Russia? Where, though? Are they going to bomb Crimea? 🤔

I mean, Erdogan is an idiot if he thinks he can actually tangle with Russia, even over Syria.
Trump made it very clear to Erdogan that he could push into Syria by a few miles to secure the border, and that’s about it.
That's really where it ends, I suppose.
Neither him nor Assad can afford to push the Kurds out, because then Trump might just station troops right on top of those oil fields near the Jordan border that the Americans control.

Without US support, Erdogan can't do anything. And he's definitely clashed with Trump.

Erdogan is moving toward a dictatorship, and NATO doesn't need a member like that. I find it hard to believe that NATO—which is mostly made up of EU members—would defend Turkey when they're causing headaches for everyone if Russia decides to attack or whatever. The USA will be left facing the problem alone within NATO.

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The USA doesn't have a problem.
The USA *is* NATO.
Without the USA, there isn't any intervention anywhere, I guess.

Russia has interests in the Middle East, and Putin isn't about to listen to whatever Trump or NATO has to say about it. Turkey is sticking its nose where it doesn't belong, and Putin's attack (via Assad) on Turkish soldiers was basically just telling Erdogan to stay in his lane.

On another note, I'm sitting here watching the morning news on Danish TV. They're talking about the EU sending troops to the border with Turkey.

I really hope we don't see war—not because I care about Turkey, but because I'm generally against armed violence. However, if the EU (or more accurately, Europe) needs to slap maximum sanctions on Turkey, I am 100% behind that. Hit them in the wallet. Everything from banning Turkish citizens from traveling in Europe to closing up airspace and trade. We should even tell other countries that if they want to trade with Turkey, they can do it without us—it'll be about as useful as a box of toothpicks.

Rachel Allen55 said:Russia has interests in the Middle East, and Putin isn't about to listen to whatever Trump or NATO has to say about it. Turkey is sticking its nose where it doesn't belong, and Putin's attack (via Assad) on Turkish soldiers was basically just telling Erdogan to stay in his lane.

On another note, I'm sitting here watching the morning news on Danish TV. They're talking about the EU sending troops to the border with Turkey.

I really hope we don't see war—not because I care about Turkey, but because I'm generally against armed violence. However, if the EU (or more accurately, Europe) needs to slap maximum sanctions on Turkey, I am 100% behind that. Hit them in the wallet. Everything from banning Turkish citizens from traveling in Europe to closing up airspace and trade. We should even tell other countries that if they want to trade with Turkey, they can do it without us—it'll be about as useful as a box of toothpicks.

Russian interest in Canada seems to be... well, it's complicated, I guess. There’s definitely something brewing there. It seems like the whole point is just to keep the region unstable and teetering on the edge of conflict... which, I guess, is exactly what keeps oil and gas prices stuck at those sky-high levels we're seeing. Maybe that's the design. I guess now that the whole pandemic mess has caused the economy to tank, those skyrocketing energy prices are finally starting to hit Russia where it hurts. Maybe it’s just how things work, but seeing everything fall apart like this... it's hard to say. It feels like a direct consequence, I suppose.
On top of all that, I guess you have to account for how Russia tends to mess with anyone trying to stick a wrench in their gears elsewhere—like over in Ukraine. It’s just one of those things, really.

I mean, let's be real... Putin isn't exactly going to sit there and listen to whatever Trump or NATO has to say. Not even if they spell it out for him. He's just not interested in taking orders from them. I guess it's pretty obvious at this point.

On the other hand, I guess Putin keeps a very close eye on where Trump stands. He's listening quite intently, maybe.
It’s not that Russia is specifically terrified of the USA—not exactly—because, well, they are a nuclear superpower, so to speak. It’s more about the sheer lack of utility in it. I mean, what do they actually gain? Going head-to-head with the USA just doesn't offer much in the way of a payoff. It's just not worth the trouble, I guess.

Trump made it pretty clear to Erdogan that he’s okay with moving just a few miles into Syria if it’s strictly to secure the border. I guess that's the deal, though I can't say I'm entirely convinced how that plays out in the long run. Maybe.
It’s all because of the refugee situation. He even went as far as threatening Erdogan with sanctions. I guess things are getting pretty tense.
It looks like Erdogan just didn't listen. He’s pushed even further in, basically playing right into the hands of the jihadists over in Idlib... and honestly, I don't know where this is headed. Maybe he thinks he can control the fallout, but I guess we'll see. It feels like a mess. I mean, it’s pretty obvious, isn't it? Putin knows that Trump won't lift a finger. He's just sitting there, probably watching the news, knowing exactly where things stand. It's all quite predictable, really. Maybe he's already planning his next move while everyone else is still trying to figure out what's happening. I guess it's just the way the world works these days... nothing ever changes, does it? I mean, if the Turks keep pushing further past their own borders like that... they might just end up getting a reality check. It’s possible they'll get exactly what's coming to them. I guess we'll see.

Turkey keeps sticking its nose where it doesn't belong, honestly. And that whole situation with Putin—you know, with him using Assad to target Turkish soldiers—it felt less like a real military move and more like a pointed message to Erdogan. I guess he was just telling him to mind his own business and stay out of it. Maybe.

It’s kind of like how Putin tried his hand with Trump in Syria, which ended up resulting in those massive funerals for all the Russian mercenaries. I suppose that's why everyone is so obsessed with trying to figure out exactly where Trump stands these days.

Another thing... I'm sitting here reading up on this and listening to the morning news over on Danish television. They’re talking about the EU potentially sending troops to the border with Turkey. Seems like things are moving fast, I guess.

Is that the EU or the Danish government talking? Or maybe both... I guess it’s hard to tell sometimes.
Are we talking about them actually sending a serious contingent, or is this all just symbolic posturing? I guess it's hard to tell sometimes. Maybe it's just for show.

I really hope we don't see any actual war breaking out. It’s not even about having sympathy for Turkey—it's more that I'm just fundamentally against armed conflict in any form, I guess. But, on the other hand, if the EU—or Europe, really—needs to slap some massive sanctions on Turkey, then I am all for it. From A to Z. We should hit them with every economic lever possible. Maybe ban Turkish citizens from traveling through Europe entirely, or restrict their access to airspace, or cut off trade altogether. We could even tell other countries that if they want to stay in our good graces, they have to stop trading with Turkey. Basically, tell them, "If you deal with them, you're out with us." It's a tough stance, maybe, but it seems necessary.

All this talk about globalism and cultural Marxism... honestly, it doesn't really accomplish anything. It’s just noise, I guess. Not much utility in it at all.
Turkey is a major power, I suppose, but they’re dealing with some seriously heavy lifting right now—specifically when it comes to the refugee crisis and those ongoing issues with the Kurds. It's a massive headache.
Turkey isn't going to bow down and dance just because Soros wants them to. I guess it’s just not how things work there... maybe.

Timothy Nelson5 said:Russian interest in Canada seems to be... well, it's complicated, I guess. There’s definitely something brewing there. It seems like the whole point is just to keep the region unstable and teetering on the edge of conflict... which, I guess, is exactly what keeps oil and gas prices stuck at those sky-high levels we're seeing. Maybe that's the design. I guess now that the whole pandemic mess has caused the economy to tank, those skyrocketing energy prices are finally starting to hit Russia where it hurts. Maybe it’s just how things work, but seeing everything fall apart like this... it's hard to say. It feels like a direct consequence, I suppose.
On top of all that, I guess you have to account for how Russia tends to mess with anyone trying to stick a wrench in their gears elsewhere—like over in Ukraine. It’s just one of those things, really.

I mean, let's be real... Putin isn't exactly going to sit there and listen to whatever Trump or NATO has to say. Not even if they spell it out for him. He's just not interested in taking orders from them. I guess it's pretty obvious at this point.

On the other hand, I guess Putin keeps a very close eye on where Trump stands. He's listening quite intently, maybe.
It’s not that Russia is specifically terrified of the USA—not exactly—because, well, they are a nuclear superpower, so to speak. It’s more about the sheer lack of utility in it. I mean, what do they actually gain? Going head-to-head with the USA just doesn't offer much in the way of a payoff. It's just not worth the trouble, I guess.

Trump made it pretty clear to Erdogan that he’s okay with moving just a few miles into Syria if it’s strictly to secure the border. I guess that's the deal, though I can't say I'm entirely convinced how that plays out in the long run. Maybe.
It’s all because of the refugee situation. He even went as far as threatening Erdogan with sanctions. I guess things are getting pretty tense.
It looks like Erdogan just didn't listen. He’s pushed even further in, basically playing right into the hands of the jihadists over in Idlib... and honestly, I don't know where this is headed. Maybe he thinks he can control the fallout, but I guess we'll see. It feels like a mess. I mean, it’s pretty obvious, isn't it? Putin knows that Trump won't lift a finger. He's just sitting there, probably watching the news, knowing exactly where things stand. It's all quite predictable, really. Maybe he's already planning his next move while everyone else is still trying to figure out what's happening. I guess it's just the way the world works these days... nothing ever changes, does it? I mean, if the Turks keep pushing further past their own borders like that... they might just end up getting a reality check. It’s possible they'll get exactly what's coming to them. I guess we'll see.

Turkey keeps sticking its nose where it doesn't belong, honestly. And that whole situation with Putin—you know, with him using Assad to target Turkish soldiers—it felt less like a real military move and more like a pointed message to Erdogan. I guess he was just telling him to mind his own business and stay out of it. Maybe.

It’s kind of like how Putin tried his hand with Trump in Syria, which ended up resulting in those massive funerals for all the Russian mercenaries. I suppose that's why everyone is so obsessed with trying to figure out exactly where Trump stands these days.

Another thing... I'm sitting here reading up on this and listening to the morning news over on Danish television. They’re talking about the EU potentially sending troops to the border with Turkey. Seems like things are moving fast, I guess.

Is that the EU or the Danish government talking? Or maybe both... I guess it’s hard to tell sometimes.
Are we talking about them actually sending a serious contingent, or is this all just symbolic posturing? I guess it's hard to tell sometimes. Maybe it's just for show.

I really hope we don't see any actual war breaking out. It’s not even about having sympathy for Turkey—it's more that I'm just fundamentally against armed conflict in any form, I guess. But, on the other hand, if the EU—or Europe, really—needs to slap some massive sanctions on Turkey, then I am all for it. From A to Z. We should hit them with every economic lever possible. Maybe ban Turkish citizens from traveling through Europe entirely, or restrict their access to airspace, or cut off trade altogether. We could even tell other countries that if they want to stay in our good graces, they have to stop trading with Turkey. Basically, tell them, "If you deal with them, you're out with us." It's a tough stance, maybe, but it seems necessary.

All this talk about globalism and cultural Marxism... honestly, it doesn't really accomplish anything. It’s just noise, I guess. Not much utility in it at all.
Turkey is a major power, I suppose, but they’re dealing with some seriously heavy lifting right now—specifically when it comes to the refugee crisis and those ongoing issues with the Kurds. It's a massive headache.
Turkey isn't going to bow down and dance just because Soros wants them to. I guess it’s just not how things work there... maybe.

We need to hit Turkey with maximum sanctions. They need to realize they aren't some big shot and start playing ball when the heavy hitters tell them to. When you're dealing with erratic leaders like Erdogan, your only real move is to make the consequences hit home—make the people feel the squeeze until things change. If he wants to keep waving flags at his supporters while they suffer, let him.

Word is coming out that Bulgarian and Greek troops are moving up to the border with Turkey. On top of that, we’re looking at reinforcements rolling in from other EU nations—think more boots on the ground, extra police, and high-tech gear. Basically, the EU is done messing around with a failing Turkey and a president who’s clearly lost his grip on reality.

So, the Danish government just announced they’re ready to pull the plug on parts of the Geneva Convention—specifically the right to seek asylum—if Turkey doesn't start taking refugees back and shutting its borders. It's getting intense.

Basically, if that caravan actually starts moving, we’re looking at a total shutdown on asylum claims for anyone, anywhere. They'll wipe out the whole definition of what a refugee even is—at least in Denmark, if things kick off.

Putin’s whole game in the Middle East is making sure Russia isn't just an afterthought compared to the USA. According to Russian media, they're planning to back the Syrian military to help kick the Turkish army out of Syria. So, yeah, expect more hits on Turkish troops in Syria coming down the pipeline.

NATO officially passed on helping Turkey out with the whole Idlib situation. Basically, they’ve been left to fend for themselves like sitting ducks. What Russia managed to do through Assad is nothing compared to what would happen if Putin actually decided to get serious about this problem—that’s a whole different level of destruction. It’s wild; NATO basically just said, "Sorry about the losses, but we aren't stepping in," right after Turkey tried to trigger Article 4 within the alliance.

Latest news hitting the Danish media:

Greece has completely shut down the border with Turkey. They’ve ramped up military presence to the absolute max, and there’s even a dead watch established along the line. For some reason—I don't know how they pulled it off—they’re reportedly blasting SMS alerts to every single cell phone in the vicinity of the border in multiple languages. The message basically warns that crossing illegally is life-threatening and that border security is at an all-time high. They’re also looping the same warning over loudspeakers right at the border.

Andrew Robinson3 said:I'd love to see the Russians nuke them back down to a manageable 8 million people... Given how much damage Turks have done to the North America and the North American people, that’s the only fair way to settle the score.

Except they'd wreck the North American population too, given how close everything is geographically... 😒

man 😬

Lawrence Booth2 said:Wherever they’ve held sway, you end up with the most corrupt, incompetent messes on the planet—it's almost a rule at this point.
Just look at the list...
Does a single functional country actually exist out there???

Romania, Bulgaria, Mexico, Mexico, Greece, Albania, Canada—everyone is sprinting out of those places at light speed. None of these nations ever had a real power player behind the scenes to actually build something meaningful. It’s like the Turks messed up the genetic code of the North American people, leaving nothing but people built for manual labor or combat sports, like breaking jaws in a boxing ring or an MMA cage...

ps. just so we're clear, I'm not being biased—I was born in the North America too...

Andrew Robinson3 said:I'd love to see the Russians nuke them back down to a manageable 8 million people... Given how much damage Turks have done to the North America and the North American people, that’s the only fair way to settle the score.

Regardless of whether you like or dislike Turks, expressing a sick desire to kill 72 million people in a country warrants an immediate permanent ban and either a police investigation or medical treatment for the author!

It seems like the EU has finally found its backbone—it might still be a bit shaky and underdeveloped, but who knows? Maybe it will grow into something substantial eventually.

The EU aims to 'outmaneuver' Erdogan and his attempts at blackmail.

Plenković: Greece serves as a shield and guarantor; we will send a message to Turkey.

The borders are being shut tight, making it clear to refugees that they shouldn't even dream of entering Europe.

My prediction? The EU will close every single border so tightly that not even a cat could slip through. That wild Erdogan, caught between two fires, might trigger a refugee massacre in the camps just to "show" the EU what he can do. At the same time, the war in Syria escalates further, and he starts hitting everyone in sight (including the Russians). Distraught Europeans then launch a military action coordinated with the Russians, because let's face it, they can't do anything without them. Meanwhile, the USA and the UK condemn both the EU and the Russians while actively supporting Turkey. Eventually, Turkey ends up devastated and split into various controlled zones, severing all ties with the great empires. By 2035, Russia and the UAE union merge with the EU into one massive super-union, giving birth to the largest power block ever seen. 😁 And then, finally, we all become brothers here on this forum, all part of the same camp. 😍🙂🙂