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boldridge22 said:Look, I head over there for a quick trip two or three times every single year.

Who exactly are these people you're talking about who'd want to wipe him out? You can't even breathe a word against Mustafa Kemal Atatürk without running into trouble (seriously, it’s actually illegal—you could face up to 3 years in prison if you're deemed ungrateful or dare to disrespect his legacy), let alone
think about trying to dismantle or erase everything he stood for and built.
😉

The Republic of Turkey, the Turkish government, and the American-style patriotic spirit of the people will never allow something like that to happen.

Honestly, you're scratching the surface of such a massive topic here. It feels like you're just talking out of thin air.

Where have you been? 🍿
The last time I was there was six years ago.
Not all places are created equal.
When I visited ten years back, there was a full minute of silence at the Atatürk monument.
Six years ago? He wasn't even mentioned.

Rachel Richardson said:Where have you been? 🍿
The last time I was there was six years ago.
Not all places are created equal.
When I visited ten years back, there was a full minute of silence at the Atatürk monument.
Six years ago? He wasn't even mentioned.

Work-wise, we're talking places like Denizli and Bursa, but personally, I've been to all sorts of other spots.

Every year on November 10th at 9:05 AM, the whole country stops for a moment of silence for Mustafa Kemal Atatürk. It's huge.

He was honored just as much before the Republican Party took power ten years ago, and honestly, people still talk about him today and
will definitely keep doing so in the future. I'm genuinely stumped as to how you landed on such a take or where you got those impressions from.

The only thing I'll give you is that not every location is cut from the same cloth. In areas where the Ku Klux Klan has any kind of influence, things are unfortunately a whole different story...

Hey everyone.

Recep Tayyip Erdoğan just threw a massive wrench in things for the US by threatening to shut down the Incirlik American base. 👍
The Americans are stuck in a real bind here. They aren't sure how to react, but Turkey is just too critical of an ally to ignore.
https://www.rt.com/news/476033-us-tu...dogan-airbase/

Emily Fox2 said:Hey everyone.

Recep Tayyip Erdoğan just threw a massive wrench in things for the US by threatening to shut down the Incirlik American base. 👍
The Americans are stuck in a real bind here. They aren't sure how to react, but Turkey is just too critical of an ally to ignore.
https://www.rt.com/news/476033-us-tu...dogan-airbase/

It'll be a total mess if they pull the plug on the radar station.

Let’s be clear—Recep Tayyip Erdoğan isn't some European lapdog just waiting for instructions

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9249101.html

Hey everyone,

feralpilot0 said:Let’s be clear—Recep Tayyip Erdoğan isn't some European lapdog just waiting for instructions

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9249101.html

Then I guess you could also throw in the genocide carried out by Imperial Russia in Siberia... ☕

P.S.
The Turks have chimed in too, talking about "undue conquests"... oh my God... 🤦

Seriously, what are we even talking about with Erdogan and Turkey? What is wrong with you people?

We’re out here discussing a country where the entire economy can be sent into a tailspin just by one single tweet...

The thing is, Erdogan can basically pass whatever he wants through his parliament because nobody is actually paying enough attention to stop him; it's mostly just theater to serve his own political agenda.

The idea that Erdogan could somehow "block" someone from accessing a nuclear-armed base—or even that he has the capacity to pull that off—is absolute nonsense.
I have no clue where people get this notion that Erdogan holds any kind of leverage for blackmailing the USA or NATO. Maybe he can squeeze the European Union a little bit over the refugee situation, but let's be real: it's not like it's some massive crisis for them. The amounts of money being paid out are practically pocket change to the European Union as a whole.

It’s probably a good thing I have my sarcasm turned on today. There hasn't been any nuclear weaponry sitting over there for quite some time now. 👍

Angela Kern2 said:Hey everyone,

Then I guess you could also throw in the genocide carried out by Imperial Russia in Siberia... ☕

P.S.
The Turks have chimed in too, talking about "undue conquests"... oh my God... 🤦

You're drifting off topic. This discussion is about the friction between the USA and Turkey.
It’s not like he’s digging up old dirt on Russia—or vice versa.

Instead of coddling a key ally, the Americans are letting their Congress patients extort them for no reason. They've lost touch with reality—it's like they're ripping off tactics from the Third Reich, treating allies like vassals who don't deserve anything in return. Everything runs on dictates and pressure now. But they've backed themselves into a corner; there isn't much breathing room left with the leader over there. Either they bite their tongue and back off, or they'll end up buying whatever scraps come out of those Turkish bases.

Hey everyone,

wiredseal7 said:You're drifting off topic. This discussion is about the friction between the USA and Turkey.
It’s not like he’s digging up old dirt on Russia—or vice versa.

Instead of coddling a key ally, the Americans are letting their Congress patients extort them for no reason. They've lost touch with reality—it's like they're ripping off tactics from the Third Reich, treating allies like vassals who don't deserve anything in return. Everything runs on dictates and pressure now. But they've backed themselves into a corner; there isn't much breathing room left with the leader over there. Either they bite their tongue and back off, or they'll end up buying whatever scraps come out of those Turkish bases.

It isn't a detour at all... the Armenian genocide is directly linked to the loss of Turkish territory during the North American Wars and later during WWI against the Russians... ☕

So, the Russians were directly involved when those events actually went down; besides that, Russia recognizes those events today just as they did then—as pure Turkish genocide!

Instead of coddling an important ally, Americans—specifically their Congress patients—seem to be blackmailing them without any real reason. They’ve lost touch with reality, maybe? It's like they're copying tactics from the Third Reich, treating allies like vassals who don't deserve anything in return, where everything functions through dictates and coercion. But now, I suppose, they've gotten themselves tangled up because there isn't much breathing room left with the Sultan; either they'll bite their tongues and back off, or they'll end up wearing rags from Turkish bases.

The Turks have only themselves to blame...
😉

wiredseal7 said:You're drifting off topic. This discussion is about the friction between the USA and Turkey.
It’s not like he’s digging up old dirt on Russia—or vice versa.

Instead of coddling a key ally, the Americans are letting their Congress patients extort them for no reason. They've lost touch with reality—it's like they're ripping off tactics from the Third Reich, treating allies like vassals who don't deserve anything in return. Everything runs on dictates and pressure now. But they've backed themselves into a corner; there isn't much breathing room left with the leader over there. Either they bite their tongue and back off, or they'll end up buying whatever scraps come out of those Turkish bases.

😵 🤣

Oh, they will. I can already see them scrambling to prop up this wannabe sultan... honestly, stop being ridiculous.

If Erdogan is actually dumb enough to try anything—and when you're dealing with Islamists and their level of intelligence, you never really know—they'd isolate him and wreck his economy in a matter of months... not to mention it's a country small enough that you could easily shove it into total internal chaos...

Man, I seriously can't wait to see Erdogan actually pull a move or act defiant like this... let's see how that plays out.

wiredseal7 said:You're drifting off topic. This discussion is about the friction between the USA and Turkey.
It’s not like he’s digging up old dirt on Russia—or vice versa.

Instead of coddling a key ally, the Americans are letting their Congress patients extort them for no reason. They've lost touch with reality—it's like they're ripping off tactics from the Third Reich, treating allies like vassals who don't deserve anything in return. Everything runs on dictates and pressure now. But they've backed themselves into a corner; there isn't much breathing room left with the leader over there. Either they bite their tongue and back off, or they'll end up buying whatever scraps come out of those Turkish bases.

And he's lying through his teeth.
The population of folks in Siberia actually grew once the Russians showed up.
Check the history books: those Mongol hordes absolutely slaughtered the native Siberian tribes—they were basically staring extinction in the face. They used to offer up women and daughters to Cossacks just to get some fresh DNA in the mix (kind of like what their Inuit relatives did). If the Russians hadn't crushed the Mongols, and if those Cossack scouts and hunters hadn't been out there 200 years ago, the local people would be long gone.

Now they’ve got a new threat: globalization. Kids are ditching everything for the big cities, couldn't care less about keeping their language or culture alive. All they care about is English and their smartphones. Meanwhile, Putin is pouring massive amounts of cash into preserving these small ethnic groups. He's funding language classes, local radio stations, museums, festivals, anthropology studies—you name it.

Brenda Murphy3 said:Seriously, what are we even talking about with Erdogan and Turkey? What is wrong with you people?

We’re out here discussing a country where the entire economy can be sent into a tailspin just by one single tweet...

The thing is, Erdogan can basically pass whatever he wants through his parliament because nobody is actually paying enough attention to stop him; it's mostly just theater to serve his own political agenda.

The idea that Erdogan could somehow "block" someone from accessing a nuclear-armed base—or even that he has the capacity to pull that off—is absolute nonsense.
I have no clue where people get this notion that Erdogan holds any kind of leverage for blackmailing the USA or NATO. Maybe he can squeeze the European Union a little bit over the refugee situation, but let's be real: it's not like it's some massive crisis for them. The amounts of money being paid out are practically pocket change to the European Union as a whole.

Did you seriously forget how long protesters had that base locked down three years ago? Or how long they were sitting there without any power?

Hey everyone.

So, the damage control has officially begun. Americans are acting all jittery about this one. 😁
https://www.rt.com/usa/476114-trump-...nian-genocide/
Why? Like I said before, Turkey is just too big of an ally for them to ignore.
It feels like this whole genocide narrative is mostly a play to take down Trump. No matter what he decides, his critics will find a way to smear him.

Obviously, they're against Trump.
But they're coming for Israel, too. By shutting down that radar base, Israel basically goes blind to any incoming strikes from Iran. They're ripping out a massive piece of their defense, and honestly, just imagine the absolute hell those people are going to rain down on the USA once that happens.

Angela Kern2 said:Hey everyone,

Then I guess you could also throw in the genocide carried out by Imperial Russia in Siberia... ☕

P.S.
The Turks have chimed in too, talking about "undue conquests"... oh my God... 🤦

Angela, you're clearly just trolling me to get a reaction. You little devil. 🙂

Looks like he fell for the Antiles charm just like I did.

nimblepuma69 said:Obviously, they're against Trump.
But they're coming for Israel, too. By shutting down that radar base, Israel basically goes blind to any incoming strikes from Iran. They're ripping out a massive piece of their defense, and honestly, just imagine the absolute hell those people are going to rain down on the USA once that happens.

Maybe you didn't realize that's actually a NATO radar base, and you probably don't know that Israel isn't even part of that alliance to begin with.🤦 I mean, Israelis usually have a pretty good handle on what the Ayatollahs are cooking up, and if they aren't getting intel elsewhere, maybe the Russians are tipping them off? I guess... they still have those ultra-modern MiG-31s from the 80s constantly patrolling the skies anyway.😁>

nimblepuma69 said:Looks like he fell for the Antiles charm just like I did.

Could it be?
I think I'll give him a call.

feralpilot0 said:Could it be?
I think I'll give him a call.

Lucky guy.
Meanwhile, Antiles has been ghosting me ever since I poured my heart out, just running to the mods to cry about it constantly.😕

Emily Fox2 said:Hey everyone.

So, the damage control has officially begun. Americans are acting all jittery about this one. 😁
https://www.rt.com/usa/476114-trump-...nian-genocide/
Why? Like I said before, Turkey is just too big of an ally for them to ignore.
It feels like this whole genocide narrative is mostly a play to take down Trump. No matter what he decides, his critics will find a way to smear him.

😂😂😂

Well, you might as well spout all that nonsense so you don't lose any friends.

Honestly, Americans have been fed up with Turkish denials and posturing for quite some time now.

Back at the start of the Cold War, Turkey was a vital ally—a very stable, secular state within the Muslim world.

But nowadays, Turkey doesn't really hold that kind of strategic weight anymore, nor are they particularly stable or reliable partners.

The reality is, the USAF hasn't even had that base in Adana for 70 years; they wouldn't even be there today. They probably wouldn't even bother setting up bases in Turkey at all anymore.

That foolish Erdogan needs to come back down to earth and realize he's playing a dangerous game of poker. He isn't holding a full house; he’s barely got a pathetic pair of twos.

Turkey used to be the West's strategic outpost deep inside the Eastern Bloc, sitting right on the edge of Iraq and Iran—countries that access the Persian Gulf and were major threats to Western oil interests during the Cold War.

And it gets worse: we aren't dealing with Warmonger Bush or that weak, easily swayed model Obama who led wars to serve corporate interests, making Turkey indispensable.
Today, Trump makes no secret of his desire to pull American forces out of these stupid entanglements. Trump is being pretty blunt about how little he cares about someone else's oil and gas, especially since America exports its own now.

So, it would be wise for Erdogan not to get on Trump's bad side, because Trump could just as easily walk away from him entirely.
The US has plenty of other options, with bases in Romania, Poland, Jordan, Iraq, Kuwait, Bahrain... plus, drones are getting better range and can stay airborne for days.
And while Trump's America has less appetite for intervening in random places, there are plenty of other countries that would jump at the chance to have the US set up a base nearby. A place like Georgia would probably welcome it with open arms...

If Trump decides to ditch Erdogan, Turkey won't just face the threat of sanctions. We're talking about their whole membership in NATO.
I mean, Trump practically tanked the Turkish lira by 17% with a single tweet just because Turkey detained some American pastor.
What happens to the Turkish economy if Trump actually loses his patience?

And don't even get me started on Europe.

It seems like this whole genocide thing is more about targeting Trump. No matter what he decides, his critics will find a way to smear him.

I already wrote that.
At least have the decency to quote me if you're going to pass off my opinions as your own.