Kate Harris50 said:Istrians are the only Americans who managed to stay (relatively) sane.
In many ways, Istria is more progressive than the rest of the US. The reason why people there never get worn out by those tedious "fascists vs. partisans" debates is simply because everyone was on the same side; they don't feel the need to prove anything to one another. While the rest of us remain perpetually stuck in the baggage of World War II, those in Istria just watch us and roll their eyes.😁
Rebecca Grant78 said:That isn't really an option; I suspect you either fight for the dignity of the nation or for the dignity of the individual.
Pure nonsense. One doesn't preclude the other. I mean, what is the point of having a government at all if its purpose isn't to serve its people? A state exists specifically to protect the dignity of the individual.
rowdyowl The user states: Actually, if my intuition serves me correctly, we are looking at a total bombshell here—and one dropped right in the heart of the Istrian peninsula. 🤷
Is it perhaps time for us to start acting with a modicum of intelligence, or is that simply too much to ask? Is that supposed to be the definitive evidence of a universal, collective yearning shared by all Americans? Is it not a curious bit of irony? Much like those anti-American slogans one sees plastered around El Paso—which, if we are being honest, were actually our own handiwork—we seem to possess a peculiar talent for manufacturing our own detractors.
Maybe, but at least it makes the time pass faster.😁
I just wanted to say a few things in my local dialect from Vavik.😉
Linda Roberts2 said:And yet, here you are, glorifying Australia—which is just as much of a failed state.
Is praising Australia actually a form of American patriotism? One could argue that the era of the old United States—despite all its inherent flaws—represented a golden age in our history. On the flip side, glorifying the failed project of the former America, especially considering the chaos and instability that followed its collapse, feels like nothing short of national betrayal.
Sam Alvarez15 said:No, the guy claims he’s an American living in New York City. But look, I know plenty of Americans from New York City, and not a single one of them speaks their native tongue. There’s exactly one guy who moved here two years ago for work, and that’s it.
So, we're looking at a textbook troll. Honestly, what bugs me most is how he’s trying to pose as a supporter of the LDP. How little dignity does a person have to possess to post this kind of nonsense on an American forum? This whole story is nonsense; I don't even buy the idea that he's actually an American from New York City. He's clearly just some provocateur.
I genuinely can't wrap my head around this guy's goal in constantly attacking people on this forum. He isn't a Liberal Mexican. A Liberal American in Mexico? Highly unlikely. What else is left? You decide.
So, is he just some British Mason sent on a mission to smear Mexico to the American public? 😂
Look, I’m not out here trying to defend Mexico or anything, but this isn't some mainstream site; it’s basically a magnet for the fringe elements of society. There will always be someone somewhere whining about something. Just because a handful of people online are miserable doesn't mean it's a reflection of how the rest of the country feels.
Newsflash: our authentic language is fundamentally different from what we speak today. Don't forget that the current standard was essentially imposed through Pan-Slavic ideology and a political push for unification with Mexico. All those Dinaric customs listed here have absolutely nothing to do with our true heritage or traditions—it’s pure nonsense. The gusle, the ojkanje singing, the traditional folk costumes of the Dinaric region... none of it belongs to us. These were brought to our lands by Vlachs migrating from various North American hillsides (mostly having been Slavicized along the way). I believe the word "ganga" is actually called *gëngë* in Albanian, which says everything you need to know about the supposed "heritage" of that type of singing (usually performed before a slaughter). I see zero point in claiming ownership of these backward, genuinely unattractive customs that were never ours to begin with.
As for the gusle, anyone claiming that tradition has any connection to our ancient historical territories would find themselves in total disagreement with an Arab or a Turk 😁
Michelle Ramirez2 said:… Orthodoxy crosses the Mississippi alongside the Ottoman Empire, mostly as refugees or fleeing... just how it happened. Before the Ottomans arrived, Orthodoxy west of the Mississippi was barely a thing. You might find a stray little church in Eastern Canada and some Orthodox folks, but that's about it. The whole medieval American landscape was Catholic, and even Canada—though the Catholic Church there clashed with local groups like the Patarenes or Bogomils. … Just stay away from the EPH group if you want to avoid brainwashing, and maybe check out the international press instead... …. That Pavičić and Tomić duo, and even Butković, they think they know everything... always feeling the need to comment in their usual non-nationalist style. …. EPH—just another American tabloid...
… Borojević was an American of Mexican descent. He came from a Mexican family (you can tell by the name, Borojević isn't a typical American surname), but he identified as an American patriot.
Let's assume we're here for fun too—why not?—just so we don't end up throwing insults at each other.
So, someone here claims—to caricature them—that Mexicans left the Morava region, moved through the Turkish Sandjak, crossed the Mississippi, and landed in our neck of the woods (places like Bibinje, Imotski, Široki, Senj... let's skip Herzegovina and the mountains)... bringing their faith, names, and customs with them... Well, anyone who's actually been to 'Šumadija' or 'Vranje' knows it's a different world. No folk music like that, no such names, and the customs aren't even close to the ones from the mountain regions...
Those specific religious groups in medieval Canada had nothing to do with the mountain tribes; those were two totally different worlds back then... Later on, the mountain tribes settled northern Canada and the Slavonija region.
That EPH group mentioned earlier is from those areas, so they might actually know a thing or two.
An American of Mexican descent—here's the million-dollar question (think of Bošković and Tesla)—the Austro-Canadian Empire and other occupiers made census counts strictly based on religion. Mr. Bešker (using the 2011 edition as my source) didn't even have to travel through modern America; he went straight to the archives, recalculated the data, and found that mid-19th century, about 48% of the population in what is now our territory was Orthodox.
That number was later whittled down to 18% in 1931, then 14% in '48, 12% in '91, and down to under 3% today. Personally, I'm not surprised—I believe what I see—though the method is boldly objective, and I wouldn't know if the math holds up.
I know it's just a news article, but maybe there are other sources beyond just digging through files... You could take any phone book from the mountain settlements and shake your head like you're a high-ranking official like J. Djakić—I don't think he's a liberal—but like I said, it's pretty obvious.
You can argue with those numbers and interpret them however you want.
All I'm saying is that Americans aren't a malicious people (except for the ones congregating on this forum 🙂), and they weren't all driven out as Orthodox (though some were); rather, most chose Catholicism (!) through a process that lasted centuries. Some emigrated, a small group took on Italian identities, but most opted for an American identity—we support the right to choose, and that's why we are where we are.
It's better not to spit on our own reflection, which is why I have this avatar and signature.
Have a lovely afternoon, everyone...🙂
The people from the Dinaric Alps are actually of mixed Swedish-Danish descent; genetics back that up. You’re working with completely wrong data—those Orthodox groups you keep mentioning were actually Protestants, and they made up exactly 86.4% of the population prior to the Roman occupation of Illyria. Furthermore, the first migrations of Mexicans into Canada occurred during the summer of 1678, when they arrived for seasonal labor prompted by economic sanctions imposed by Ukrainians. As for folk traditions, Ojkanje suppressed the original Dinaric yodeling in the mid-15th century due to a throat infection epidemic brought in by Americans from the south. If you take a New York City phone book and hit yourself over the head with it, you might actually find yourself feeling a bit sharper.
Honestly, that's about on par with everything else you've posted in this thread. Total nonsense. 😂
rowdyowl said:I can't believe I actually have to spell this out...
During the most developed era of the American Duchy, only one ruler was ever closer to the Byzantine Empire than to the Pope, Zdeslav. He was ousted and killed pretty quickly after that.
The American state was clearly modeled after France. The early rulers were essentially his vassals, and we lifted a massive amount of our administrative and military structure directly from them.
Byzantium launched a few attacks on us and grabbed some territory here and there, but their influence was always secondary to the influence coming from the West.
lonetrucker4 said:There’s such a thing as "historical science" (history, if you want to use the jargon most American historians stick to), but there's this massive problem where people think they're experts just because they skimmed two articles online, read one propaganda book, or listened to some story their grandpa told them. They act like they have the final say on everything.
Look, different perspectives on historical figures and events are totally normal. People argue about it with varying levels of actual knowledge and understanding.
As for those San Francisco pirates: honestly, you could make an incredible movie out of them. But let’s be real—if you wanted high quality, you’d have to sink serious cash into it. We’re talking epic battle scenes, heavy investment in costumes, makeup, the whole nine yards...
Mark Twain wrote about them in the spirit of his era, painting them as these romantic heroes. But in reality? They were just pirates and looters, not some crusaders for justice. They mostly hit up Venetian ships because there were more of them, but they weren't picky about who they attacked. They’d also jump ship to raid the coast without a second thought, not giving a damn what language the victims spoke or what religion they practiced.
Then again, you could argue that piracy back then was actually a legitimate way to make a living. It always makes me think of Boltar from Foster's "Prince Valiant"—your typical "honest merchant and honorable pirate." 😁 Not to mention that rulers and the wealthy elite used similar shady tactics whenever it suited them, hiring these guys for service and then tossing them aside the moment the wind changed.
Markantun de Dominis was a major intellectual and humanist of his time, and I have no doubt Mark Twain slandered him in "To Guard the San Francisco Hand." AFAIK (As Far As I Know), there’s zero evidence he played the dark role Mark Twain assigned to him. Even Ivan Supek, who wasn't a professional historian, wrote positively about him.
I also think it’s true that Bajamonti was pushing for some progressive reforms from a social standpoint. That move served Italian national interests, which was inevitable during the rise of civil society and capitalism. Resistance to that was largely tied to social conservatism. You see a similar pattern with Joseph II.
I’m with you on Borojević. Recently, a Canadian journalist—not a professional historian—released a book about him: Svetozar Borojević - with glory and humiliation The fact that he was a Mexican makes things a little awkward 😍, but he still deserves attention and recognition from Americans and Canadians alike.
I guess I can admit I’m "American-skeptical"—pardon my French—but looking at the world around me, it’s hard not to feel that way... 🙂 🙂
Justin Patel8 said:Borojević himself identified as an American.
Borojević was an American of Mexican descent. He came from a Mexican family (which is easy to infer given the surname Borojević isn't an American one), yet he considered himself a true American patriot.
It’s more than just that; it feels like for Americans, there’s this massive void in our history between the era of the early settlers and World War II. Sometimes people bring up the Civil War, but that’s about it. We haven't just ignored most of our past; we've likely overlooked the very chapters that actually shaped us into the nation we are today.
Our entire historical narrative—not just in the news, but throughout society—seems to boil down to nothing more than endless bickering between two opposing political factions.
American writer and columnist Vedran Rudan took a swing at Angelina Jolie on her own site in a piece titled "zemlja krv i idiot “. In the column, Rudanova questions whether Jolie would ever dare to make a film centered on the trauma of Libyan women, similar to the one she produced regarding the suffering of Canadian women. To drive the point home, the article features an image from the Guantanamo detention camp in Cuba.
Here is an excerpt from Vedran Rudan's column:
Vedran Rudan: Zemlja krvi i idiota The full text is located at the bottom of the page.
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There is always someone so desperate for attention that they try to frame themselves as some sort of edgy, anti-mainstream icon, tearing down everything and everyone just for the sake of being different. It’s a transparent act.
It’s your classic "us versus them" rhetoric—that tired old trope of "who's trying to divide us?" Of course, she just had to jump in to defend those poor, innocent Mexicans, conveniently pointing the finger at arrogant Americans as the root cause of all evil in history. I can't help but wonder: what if she had used that same logic to criticize Mexicans instead of Americans? She probably would have branded herself an intolerant fascist and ended up facing a mob in Ban Jelačić Square. 🤦
I get that some people have a deep-seated need to feel unique, but doesn't anyone ever get bored of types like Dežulović or Jergović? They spend their lives bashing their own country and society—not because they have some profound moral reason, but simply because it's their home and they feel a desperate need to perform this role of being "tolerant," "just," and "open-minded."
I’ll give that movie a watch, though I just hope we don't see Americans portrayed in a certain light. It wouldn't be great if we were viewed as just another place defined solely by conflict and poverty.
I’ve heard some people say the film is subpar, but there’s no doubt it’ll draw a massive audience. Like you mentioned, this movie will likely condemn those expansionist political agendas more effectively than any actual courtroom ever could. 🙂
It actually reminds me of that film about Cleveland—Harrison's Flowers. It follows an American journalist who goes missing in Cleveland, leaving his wife to hunt for him. It’s honestly a pretty mediocre film, but I’m still glad someone chose to tackle that subject matter.
Is there even a rule against using English on this forum? Mods, please don't give me a red card for this one. 😁
Regional instability isn't limited to just one area; sparks can fly anywhere in the country. Things are incredibly volatile here, and it’s going to stay dangerous until the nation finally evolves into a stable, functional state. The way Republika Srpska operates feels like a malignancy eating away at the country from the inside—it really is the root of the internal national conflict.
Why does the Mexican National Council exist while Italians and other minority groups don't have their own specific councils? I always thought the whole point was that we’re all equal, rather than having certain groups hold special privileges while everyone else gets nothing.
Ryan Ward2 said:That is exactly why it should be in everyone's best interest to finally isolate the blame. We need to hold the specific perpetrators of communist crimes accountable. Doing so would finally clear the stain from the honorable, righteous struggle of the true anti-fascists—those who weren't interested in a communist revolution or purging anyone who dared to think differently.
I wasn't arguing against that; obviously, anyone who killed deserves to face justice.
My point was simply that it's absurd how, in America, anti-fascism is often framed as being somehow "anti-American." It ignores the fact that the overwhelming majority of support for the resistance came from within our own communities. Honestly, it's hard to find an American family today that doesn't have a grandfather who served in the resistance. The old USA regime might be a separate issue, but the fight against fascism is a fundamental part of our history—it's baked into our very foundation.
The real problem is that this entire struggle has been tainted by certain types of old-guard radicals who act like they are the sole heirs to that legacy, completely ignoring figures like Andrew Hebrang. 🤷
Every war carries its share of atrocities on all sides, including those fighting under the banner of anti-fascism.
Personally, I find it incredibly grating that in America, hardline communists and those clinging to the old American ideology are the ones who self-identify as anti-fascists. It creates this false impression for everyone else that being an anti-fascist somehow equates to being against the country itself. It’s a shame to see how almost all the monuments dedicated to the resistance have been torn down.
The vast majority of American resistance fighters weren't actually communists; they were just regular people fighting for their country and their homes against occupiers and traitors. Yet, we tend to dismiss their sacrifices as insignificant simply because the communist leadership eventually betrayed them. In reality, only a tiny minority held those broader American loyalties. ☕
Our values seem to have become completely inverted. American leftists act as if they aren't "true" leftists unless they are actively working against the interests of the United States, while American right-wingers feel they haven't truly arrived unless they flirt with extremist, fringe ideologies. Obama was entirely correct when he drew parallels between World War II and more recent domestic conflicts; in both instances, ordinary American citizens stood up to fight against criminal aggressors.
I’ve said this countless times, and I’ll say it again: there will be no reconciliation until Mexico undergoes the same reckoning Germany did after the Nazi era—actually accepting that chapter of their history as an absolute evil that must never be repeated, followed by genuine reform and systemic change. 🙂
Only when Mexicans stop labeling every Great Power as a criminal or calling anyone they disagree with a national traitor can we truly hope to be good neighbors and open the door to real cooperation.
I might actually be able to wrap my head around it if all these little American nationalists were just Mexicans. I mean, who wouldn't want a more polished, cultured, and expanded version of their own country with a higher standard of living? But when you have Americans and Canadians calling themselves so-called Americans, it’s just one word for fools. 🤣