Posts by stormybadger8

Kenneth Taylor80 said:I'm not saying I know what the perfect fine would be—let them pay whatever massive amount they want. But changing race results? That’s just unnecessary, shady, unsportsmanlike, and completely counterproductive.

Agreed...
But look, like I said before, this whole thing is five times more dangerous than when Romain Grosjean overtook Felipe Massa and crossed the line, or even just missed it by a few inches...
which, by the way, was a mess because Massa pushed Grosjean off the track, yet Grosjean is the one getting screwed with a penalty instead of Massa... because some stupid rule punishes the guy who crosses the line rather than the guy who shoves someone else over it.🙄
It's basically the exact same situation with Nico Hulkenberg in this race...
And there's always some "blah blah blah" explanation, but there could have been a wall right behind that line... if there had been a wall, nobody would've even attempted the overtake in the first place...

If drivers are actually getting penalized and race results are being overturned for stuff like that on track, then there is absolutely zero excuse for parking a car right in the middle of the racing line (especially in a perfectly functional car when there's plenty of room to pull over 🙄) and causing people to sprint across the track while cars are still moving...
Because by that logic, any car could just plow straight into Mark Webber or Fernando Alonso... and then we wouldn't have to worry about people running across the track or stopping cars in the middle of the road.

I honestly don't see a single logical reason why Grosjean gets penalized for that pass while these other two guys get off scot-free...

Besides, if it's totally fine for a car to sit in the middle of the track and fine for people to be running around the circuit, then what the hell is the point of a Safety Car?
Why bother changing race dynamics with a Safety Car 🤷
if it's apparently perfectly okay to leave a car on the track and let marshals run around picking up debris or pushing cars around...

Kenneth Taylor80 said:Fine, give them all five penalties, but make sure they don't actually mess with the race results, the points, or the championship standings! 🙂

And how exactly is that supposed to work?
Handing out a hundred bucks to guys making millions a season???

Oh, sure...
This situation is totally harmless, right?🙄



And the stewards are clearly geniuses for thinking Nico Rosberg could just plow straight into the back of a car and potentially snap Mark Webber’s legs in half...

But hey, we can't blame them—it's actually all because some corrupt mayor in NYC is charging $$3.25 an hour for parking, so there was just no way anyone could pull over...


So yeah, it's definitely the fault of the clueless officials and the greedy local government with their overpriced parking lots...
It definitely wasn't Alonso or Webber...

Kenneth Taylor80 said:If you ask me, penalties like the one they handed Mark Webber are a cancer on Formula 1. It’s unnecessary, stupid—just pure stupidity. They’re artificially messing with the standings for the next race and wrecking the entire championship battle. And why? All because of some ridiculous safety rule? Whose safety are we talking about here? The safety of those lunatics racing around at breakneck speeds while everyone else stays safe back in the garage? Formula 1 is racing. Fastest driver wins. Period. You get there by taking risks that every single driver accepts the moment they strap themselves into the car. Then some genius comes along to lecture us, claiming a W-ov move wasn't done in a "safe manner." Please. The driver is the one who cares most about his own safety. Why should he listen to some textbook nerd who isn't even out there, just sticking their nose into a race that should be decided on the track? I used to love going to see Formula 1, but I wouldn't pay a dime to watch these staged races. I'll be watching from home, unfortunately—and for free.

All five of them...
Honestly, this penalty is way more egregious than when Romain Grosjean overtook Felipe Massa, or that nonsense where they ordered Hulkenberg to give back a position he never actually lost. Just endless nonsense.

We can debate this all day, but walking onto the track—or stopping dead in the middle of it—is obviously way more dangerous than clipping a white line by an inch.☕
And all of this coming from two guys who constantly chime in to call other drivers idiots just because they aren't following their precious little safety rules... absolute nonsense.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/f...48082--f1.html

Why is everyone acting so shocked?

High-level sources have confirmed to Autosport that the FIA would almost certainly not have taken any action had the pick-up been conducted in a safe way.

Basically, Mark Webber should’ve waited for the marshals to give him the green light to get onto the track, and Fernando Alonso should've pulled completely off the racing line to grab him.

"The 10-grid place penalty will only be imposed if at least two of the reprimands were imposed for a driving infringement."

Mark Webber's prior two strikes were for hitting Nico Rosberg at the Super Bowl and for ignoring Yellow flags during First Free practice AT The Canadian Grand Prix.

If Webber hadn't messed up earlier, this whole mess in Singapore wouldn't have even triggered a grid penalty.

People can try to be clever all they want, but this was just executed in a chronically stupid way...
Between Alonso stopping dead in the middle of the track in the worst possible spot—even though there's plenty of runoff area in Singapore—🙄
And Webber, too. The marshals weren't waving flags like idiots just for fun; they were doing it because Rosberg, Lewis Hamilton, and the rest of the pack were charging down the straight...

If they’d done this properly, they wouldn't have even gotten a reprimand.
And if Webber hadn't been an idiot earlier in the season, he wouldn't be facing a penalty regardless of this specific mishap in Singapore...

As far as I recall, nobody gets punished when they actually do things the right way...though usually, they're smart enough to do it without a history of screw-ups.

Michael Diaz4 said:What defines a legendary driver is that when they find themselves in a spot like Alonso just did, they HAVE to go for the overtake... They have to, because there's zero time left for anything else... But he didn't even try. You wouldn't see that from Gerhard Berger, even with his best teammate ever, or Eddie Irvine, let alone Prost, an aggressive Senna, or crazy Mansell who’d dive in even when things were already settled... Alonso simply can't be considered a great if he doesn't attempt anything in situations like this... A real racer shouldn't allow himself to hesitate like that... He HAD to push forward... And he didn't.

The issue is that for years, the entire team's strategy has basically been "let's just wait until Vettel's car dies"... instead of actually building the fastest car and the best crew possible.

In the end, though, there isn't much else to say. Forcing it in that situation against Paul di Resta would have just risked a crash, and you just don't get a version of Vettel like this in a team like this.

Ultimately, he's the one to blame...
He had the chance back in 2008 to join Red Bull—they offered him a contract—but he turned them down because the Ferrari was a better car. So, who's the idiot now?🤷

If he'd had the guts to join a struggling team back then, he'd be in a dominant car today, and we'd be sitting here watching a massive showdown between Vettel and Alonso in the same garage.

shadowstag10 said:A car that's 2.5 seconds faster, new tires, DRS... and he still can't make a move? Seriously?
It’s starting to look a lot like that calculator you’re always making fun of. 🤣

Can we please just drop the hate campaign against Alonso already? Try looking at things objectively for once. Cheers.

What kind of hatred is this? And what kind of objectivity?
Look, it’s not rocket science. Any driver sitting at the top of the standings is going to play it safe and calculate every move. Meanwhile, if you're the one chasing them down, you have to go for it. Period. No excuses.
Vettel needs to play it smart this year. Last season, he didn't have any real reason to be calculating anything—if anyone should've been playing the long game, it was Alonso while he was out front leading the pack. 😉

For crying out loud, that's just how things work.
There’s absolutely no reason to be surprised by how much Alonso calculates everything when he's out front. Honestly, that’s just what separates the greats from the rest—they actually have the capacity to think with their heads while they drive.
There’s really no point in playing math games when it's the final race and you're the one chasing them down—especially when the gap is so huge it only exists on paper.

I don't see any massive issue with him not overtaking Paul di Resta. Honestly, Alonso probably should have played it smarter there. It was more of a calculated move than just being stupid.
It was pretty obvious Paul di Resta would be heading to the pits that fast. Any kind of risky move right then would've just been stupid.

The only time he shouldn't have been playing it safe was in the column right behind that slow Nico Rosberg. He should've gone all out right then—full throttle—to hunt down Webber, Hamilton, and the rest. Especially him, honestly, because his strategy was miles ahead of everyone else's.
On the other hand, I noticed he was running on used mediums, so the real question is just how worn they were—and whether an attack would even make sense at this point.🤷

EDIT: Your objectivity is non-existent. 🤣

shadowstag10 said:And that’s in a car that’s roughly 2.5 seconds faster than the McLaren.
In the race. Or maybe just 1.5 seconds. In qualifying. On a track that's 25 seconds shorter.

From what I can see, Vettel was only about a second faster than Button in that race, not 2.5 seconds. Where on earth are you seeing that?😕
The only thing you can actually compare this to is when Jenson Button was on that same tire compound at the start of his final stint.
Comparing lap times on mediums versus softs is just plain stupid. What, you’re gonna try comparing medium vs. soft tire performance at the Singapore GP? Give me a break. We're talking about a two-second gap on the exact same car. 🤦

Nice job with the rounding too... the gap in Q2 was actually 0.785...
And if you want to compare Q3 to Q2—which we all know is a useless metric—it’s 1.351, so let's call it closer to 1.5 seconds...
You could've just thrown in Perez's little sightseeing tour from Q3 and called it a cool 3 seconds.😁

shadowstag10 said:.....so you're telling me Vettel would've just cruised right past Paul di Resta? 🤷

How should I know if he would or wouldn't?🤷
It all comes down to whether he wants to play it safe or go for broke—maybe he'd take the risk given his massive lead in the championship.🤷

The reason he didn't just steamroll Button is pretty obvious... there was way more to lose than to gain.😉

Same goes for Alonso, especially Kimi and Lewis Hamilton—they've got nothing left to lose.
They have to go all-in because they aren't waiting on anything... for them, it's win or bust. It doesn't matter who Vettel is, or even if he retires, they aren't interested in anything less than first place.
So yeah, maximum aggression, zero math.☕

Timothy Castillo6 said:And where on earth is Petela?? 😬

There's that old saying one thing is about catching up, and the other is about passing...
With Vettel and Red Bull, unlike everyone else, the main issue is just catching up.😬

shadowstag10 said:Don't give me that. You know exactly how the Singapore GP track works, how Formula 1 is set up, how Red Bull is tuned, yet you're still acting like this is some black-and-white issue.

Fine, let's actually debate it then. Answer a few questions for me first.

1. Is the Miami Grand Prix Circuit a track where overtaking is easy or hard?
2. Where are the DRS zones located?
3. Who has more top speed in those sectors: Alonso/Webber or Rosberg/Paul di Resta?

hint:
http://oi39.tinypic.com/3340ks2.jpg

Oh, really?
Rosberg had a car with a massive pile of rubber stuck in the front wing—which is exactly why he ended up creating a huge train of cars behind him—plus he was running old tires on top of that...
Unlike the pack trailing behind him...

Paul di Resta was on SS tires, and they were old ones at that—at least 15-20 laps in—driving a car that couldn't even make it into Q2 and was about 2 seconds slower than Ferrari...
Was that during the race or in qualifying?

Of course it's hard to overtake in Singapore. At the end of the day, even Webber wasn't exactly cruising past the back of the Sauber or McLaren packs like they were on wooden wheels...

But hey, despite all the struggle and Kimi's aching back, he still managed to pass Button, even while running equally old tires and without any top speed advantage....
http://184.106.145.74/f1-championshi...m%20Speeds.pdf
http://184.106.145.74/f1-championshi...eed%20Trap.pdf
So yeah, it’s definitely incredibly tough, but it isn't impossible.😉

ruggedfox28 said:Look, I appreciate you fighting these noble battles against total scams, and yeah, we can grab a beer sometime ( 😬 ), but man, stop talking nonsense. 🤣 🤣 🤣

...this year's Red Bull is easily the most dominant thing we've seen since the Schumacher era.

..even if I had Parkins and Alzheimer's hitting me at once, nothing could convince me otherwise... nobody is downplaying what Vettel achieved, except for these few Provocateurs and trolls, but one thing is crystal clear: Red Bull is absolutely dominating. Maybe Singapore wasn't the ultimate proof, but those crushing wins in Canada and Spa definitely were.

I'm not saying they aren't dominant. 😉
They are clearly dominant with Vettel behind the wheel, mostly because that car was basically custom-tailored for him.😁

But that doesn't mean it would be dominant for anyone else. It clearly wasn't for Webber.

I've got this gut feeling that with today's Red Bull, only guys like Kimi, Alonso, or Hamilton could actually dominate—they're the ones capable of adapting to the car or forcing the car to adapt to them. The rest of the grid? Most of them can't even handle a little bit of pressure without cracking, so no way.😉

This isn't even about the penalty😲
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXMCLiAvzg8&t=1m0s


Out of all the places to pull over, he stops right in the middle of the racing line, right after a blind corner.😵
Seriously, what were they thinking? Someone could have easily plowed into him or, even worse, run over Mark Webber.🙂

Hamilton is actually right here, it was just a damn stupid place to stop the car...

darkmarlin16 said:That might have been the most dominant Red Bull Racing car we've ever seen. Honestly, they could've easily dropped two seconds on anyone.

Hmm, looked that way, but who knows how much truth is actually in it.🤷
Sebastian Vettel vs Mark Webber

Let's face it, Webber is getting old and he’s definitely in a tight spot... but even so, this has to be his absolute worst season at Red Bull Racing in five years. Meanwhile, Vettel is having his second-best run yet.

Either Webber suddenly lost his touch overnight, or there’s something about that car that only works for Vettel. It seems like it fits him perfectly while being an absolute nightmare for Webber.

It’s actually pretty wild when you look at the numbers—in his last five years, Mark Webber barely even sniffed a win or a podium. Outside of maybe one or two lucky breaks in an entire season, he was basically just fighting for scraps.😉
So, it looks like there’s a pretty clear sign that something is fundamentally "off" with that Red Bull Racing car. But honestly? Whatever the issue is, it seems to suit Sebastian Vettel perfectly. It's like the car was practically built just for him.

I've got a feeling Jenson Button would be stuck in the exact same spot at Red Bull Racing that he is now with the McLaren car.🤣
The car’s either got way too much understeer, too much oversteer, or something else is just plain broken.🤷
Whatever it is, it clearly works perfectly for Vettel and drives Webber absolutely insane.😉

shadowstag10 said:So, what? Is Webber just a total washout right now, running two seconds behind the rest of the grid?
Are you seriously claiming Vettel is two seconds faster than the rest of the grid?

It wasn't even a contest—Webber was just stuck behind a painfully slow Rosberg, along with the rest of the grid.☕
Unlike some other guys, he couldn't even overtake a slow, half-broken car, despite having a two-second pace advantage and two DRS zones at his disposal. Ridiculous.
Same kid who was pulling strings behind the scenes at Red Bull... if that guy wasn't actually desperate but was playing the Maestro all along, then I guess we have to call him the Webber Maestro too. 🤷

Jason Campbell70 said:Pilatus after reading some of these forum posts:

So, should we start a GoFundMe for my new keyboard and monitor?🤣

Daniel James8 said:Why on earth are you (and I say this with love) putting "lol" and "rofl" in basically every single post you make?
Don't bother answering. It doesn't even matter...

Alright, then give me one logical reason why Lauda is sucking up to Dietrich Mateschitz.

And sorry, but that claim is just ridiculous to me. What else am I supposed to think?🤷

Hey genius 🙏🙏🙏

Finally, Vettel has the top-tier car he actually deserves😍

graniteharbor502 said:And they still have the nerve to question Vettel's skill after a win that convincing? Give me a break.🙂

You know what the most interesting part is...
If Kimi were driving for Ferrari this season, the championship standings would probably look exactly the same—though honestly, I think he’d be sitting higher up than where things stand right now.
In the constructors' standings, Ferrari would probably be leading, or at least neck-and-neck with Red Bull.

All things considered, I think Sebastian Vettel will just keep stacking up those titles. The only catch? Red Bull isn't going to be the one taking home the Constructors' Championship anymore.

ruggedhawk20 said:Sebastian Vettel 🙏🙏is on another level🙏🙏

33 GP wins

3 WDC

and all that in just 6 seasons

I'm starting to get blinded by his greatness. He was flawless today.

4 WDC titles in 6.47 seasons😍
and he’ll definitely rack up more GP wins soon enough.😁

frozenheron7 said:Since you're a Red Bull fan, there are really only two possibilities here:
1. You just started watching racing and picked the winning team to follow (which is fine; I was a McLaren and Ayrton Senna fan when I was a kid)

2. You have zero loyalty and ditched your actual favorite team for Red Bull the second they started winning.

There is no third option.

Either way—whether you're a newbie or a bandwagoner—your opinion is completely irrelevant and meaningless here.

And who are you to say there isn't?🙄 🙄 🙄

Look, I've been a Sebastian Vettel fan since his Toro Rosso days back in 2007, long before he ever saw a win...
And I started pulling for Red Bull when Sebastian Vettel moved over there, which was also way before their first victory...

So what's your point?
Are you saying if someone isn't a Ferrari fan, they're a sellout or something?🙄
Honestly, people are letting all kinds of nonsense slide on this forum lately...