Posts by stormybadger8

David Anderson72 is the newbie here on the Formula 1 forum, while you? You know this place like the back of your hand.

darkmarlin16 said:I knew I’d get a penalty, but honestly, I just had to vent because I was absolutely livid about how Nando finished that race.😠

You even admitted you knew exactly what you were doing and that a penalty was coming your way.
Plus, you had about two hours to delete it or edit it...

So, no. I’m not forgiving you, not even a little bit.
You know better than anyone, and let's be real—you’ve trashed Hamilton more in your career than everyone else on this entire forum combined. It's actually kind of gross...

As far as I recall, you got a permanent ban and only came back after promising to be a model citizen on this Formula 1 board... with a promise to me and a promise to the admins.
And now you expect me to give you special treatment and forgive your penalties?
Forget it. Not happening.

David Anderson72 said:I honestly have no clue how things used to be. I just started posting here recently.

Since you're still new, I'll give the mods my blessing to clear those red flags from your profile.🙂
Just don't make a habit of it. Try to keep it together next time.

Emily Patel64 said:Seriously, man, if you're gonna call someone out, actually read the whole thread first. Is that really too much to ask? 🙂

Yeah, it’s a chore to read... honestly, I have zero interest in scrolling through those posts while the race is actually happening.
You know me—I’m never around those threads during a race, and once it’s over, I don't have the energy to dig through twenty pages of text that, let's be real, isn't even that interesting.
I just handle the reports, and that's about it.

David Anderson72 actually gave me a solid idea, though. Maybe I should find a way to put Michael Lee4 in charge of moderating those threads😁...since he’s basically the only mod hanging around during the race window anyway...
I’m never available then... I’m glued to the screen for the 90 minutes before, the race itself, the 90 or 120 minutes after... and then I still catch the replay on NBC.😁
And from what I know, Sep and WayOut are even less active than I am.

Just one quick thing...

this:

12. A participant may only post their predictions using the username they used to enter the competition, unless an admin changes it. Banned participants still have the right to play by submitting their entry or response via a post from the account that was banned, which the moderator will then relay to the thread. If they fail to do this, they will be disqualified.

should be changed to this:

12. A participant may only post their predictions using the username they used to enter the competition, unless an admin changes it.

Whoever you pick as the new manager, if they actually want banned users to be able to play, they should come up with their own way for those people to send in entries or responses...
That method needs to be public and visible to everyone (to avoid any arguments later on) while staying within the rules of Reddit.<

Since I was the one responsible for passing along those entries/responses, and frankly, I just don't want to do it anymore.
Please change this rule, because I'm definitely not playing messenger for those entries/responses on this thread.

As a player, I don't even think we need that rule, especially since it hasn't even been used—even though darkmarlin16 had the chance this season...

Matthew Young35 said:To be honest, I’m completely exhausted by all of this. If we don't see some drastic shifts in how moderation works and how trolling is handled, I'm done participating in these threads. It isn't an empty threat; 🤷, I know you're all preoccupied with whether I'll stick around or not, but I'm simply stating a fact.
It has become genuinely exhausting having to wade through mountains of legalistic jargon just to figure out if someone earned a single point more or less.
It's exhausting, my friend.

Like I said, get a solid manager and decent rules in place, and moderation will fix itself.
I can't see a way to start handing out bans or deleting posts regarding scoring debates and the general regulations because, in this current mess, I honestly can't tell who's right anymore...
who's actually trying to explain the rules and who's just being a jerk... and frankly, I don't want to make calls based solely on my own opinion of a disputed rule.

For example, specific points in the regulations are designed to prevent this kind of nonsense.

Matthew Young35 said:Here are the most critical points from my proposal that I would like others to incorporate into their own rules.

4. The final standings shall be announced by the championship host or someone specifically authorized by them.

6. Transcribing results is permitted.

7. If a player is dissatisfied, they may lodge a complaint with the host. If the host stands by their decision, the player must either accept the ruling or withdraw from the competition. However, if they can gather more than half of the competitors to support their grievance, the host shall be removed from their position.

9. The HOST and the MODERATORS are responsible for ensuring the smooth running of the competition.

10. Rules are to be interpreted in good faith. Therefore, if anyone exploits a loophole to gain a scoring advantage or simply to troll for the sake of it, they will be ignored. Furthermore, moderators are encouraged to issue appropriate penalties in accordance with the site's anti-trolling policies.

Everything else is secondary.

By choosing the manager themselves, the players are agreeing to his leadership and, by extension, his interpretation of the rules... so, goodbye.👋 There won't be any more arguing over who does what or why... it'll be crystal clear who is responsible for what.
☕

Matthew Young35 said:Here are the most critical points from my proposal that I would like others to incorporate into their own rules.

4. The final standings shall be announced by the championship host or someone specifically authorized by them.

6. Transcribing results is permitted.

7. If a player is dissatisfied, they may lodge a complaint with the host. If the host stands by their decision, the player must either accept the ruling or withdraw from the competition. However, if they can gather more than half of the competitors to support their grievance, the host shall be removed from their position.

9. The HOST and the MODERATORS are responsible for ensuring the smooth running of the competition.

10. Rules are to be interpreted in good faith. Therefore, if anyone exploits a loophole to gain a scoring advantage or simply to troll for the sake of it, they will be ignored. Furthermore, moderators are encouraged to issue appropriate penalties in accordance with the site's anti-trolling policies.

Everything else is secondary.

I'm in. ☕

Jason Campbell70 said:Interesting "arguments," especially coming from someone who spent the last 24 hours on this thread complaining about how "certain people are trolling."

Since stormybadger8 brought it up...
If MAXYM knows the rulebook better than anyone, we've seen it in every single instance where he's used logic to prove his point during debates over rules—or rather, how they apply to current racing.
Because of that, I honestly think MAXYM would be the perfect candidate for host.
But there's a catch: he can't participate in the next championship as a competitor.

It’s either me or MAXYM. There isn't a third option that works just as well.

If nothing else, I'm glad my suggestion was so well received, whether through the current rulebook or as part of the proposals for a potential one.

Honestly, I totally agree.
But then again, you have to wonder if we'd see some... uh... questionable calls whenever someone he doesn't personally like gets involved. 😬
I hope not, but let's be real—there’s way too much bad blood between people for me to be certain.

And your point about having a host who isn't also a player holds water...
If that were the case from the start, we wouldn't have all this constant arguing over technicalities and rulebook loopholes that happen in basically every competition today just because someone wrote them to favor their own teammate.

William Bennett53 said:Alternatively, we could just ban MAXYM from the subforum, and I suspect about 90% of all arguments regarding gaming would vanish instantly.

Just kidding, obviously. MAXYM is a helpful and respected member of this community, and I'm glad he's here—but that doesn't mean my fundamental premises are wrong.

I've thought about this quite a bit, but I really don't think that's the fix. 🤷
Because even if Max leaves, some other Max will just take his place...

Max isn't the sole culprit here, and honestly, he might not even be the biggest one... he’s mostly just settling the score for everyone who attacked him while he was leading the championship, doing exactly what a good chunk of people are advocating for now.😉
It was total dictatorship—zero respect for anyone else's opinion... and that wasn't working either. Plus, there was always that talk about favoritism toward him and his teammate, and so on...
And I don't recall Max ever budging even a millimeter on his stances or decisions... though he usually argued them pretty damn well.

The real issue lies primarily with the players. Everyone wants things handed to them on a silver platter, but they won't give that same credit to anyone else... because then they lose something, or they just don't like the guy, or blah blah blah...
Some people just live for finding flaws...

Anyway, I'm heading to bed. I'm done with this for today.🙂

Matthew Young35 said:No matter how perfect we make the rulebook (and let's be honest, none of us are practicing criminal defense attorneys), people will never be satisfied. They'll just troll.

The only way this championship actually functions is if the host acts like a dictator—deciding on the fly how to apply the rules (whether they are two lines or fifty pages long) and mercilessly banning anyone who dares question his interpretation.
The current setup has become exhausting for most of us, serving as nothing more than fuel for a few trolls to amuse themselves.

Well, you've got that wrong.🤣🤣🤣
I know we have three lawyers on this forum😁 they don't hang out here much, but they drop by... two of them even played in all the competitions, as far as I know.😁

Matthew Young35 said:No matter how perfect we make the rulebook (and let's be honest, none of us are practicing criminal defense attorneys), people will never be satisfied. They'll just troll.

The only way this championship actually functions is if the host acts like a dictator—deciding on the fly how to apply the rules (whether they are two lines or fifty pages long) and mercilessly banning anyone who dares question his interpretation.
The current setup has become exhausting for most of us, serving as nothing more than fuel for a few trolls to amuse themselves.

The other way is for the Host to write their own set of rules, state their decisions clearly and loudly, back them up with logic, and then refuse to backtrack.
If trolling or arguing starts up, then the moderator can just hand out bans without hesitation...
People can complain all they want afterward, but they chose this Host and these rules themselves; they chose to play.

That's exactly why I'm saying I'll only play if the Host writes their own rules. If we stick to the old ones, I'm out—mostly because of the constant whining and trolling about whether the moderator is biased due to their own results and all that.
But yeah, if I have to ban someone... oh, I definitely will.😍

To be honest, I haven't seen much point in punishing posts like "this is how I thought it meant," or "that's how he intended it," or "this is how we've always done it," because Max wrote those rules... so clearly, nobody can interpret them better than Max, right?
And besides, how is the Host supposed to interpret what Max was thinking when he wrote them? Other players can try to interpret them the same way.
It's ridiculous how many times we've seen nonsense where the Host's decisions are challenged using the logic of what the rule-writer supposedly meant—like, "it says A here but B there," or "why use A instead of B right now?" and so on.

Here’s my take on it:
Max can spend the rest of his life explaining whatever he meant regarding Bjesomar's rule, but for me, the only person who matters when clarifying doubts about that rule is Bjesomar himself.☕
And unfortunately, that same logic works both ways.😬

And even if he actually gives a wise explanation... and then uses that chance to go on a massive trolling spree... if I give him a warning card, it just looks like I'm trying to shut him up, while he plays the poor, innocent guy who's just trying to help explain the rules...
And he’s definitely not the only one pulling that stunt. There are plenty of others... honestly, pretty much everyone involved in those debates ends up doing the same thing eventually.

Jason Campbell70 said:Normal people would be fine with just a few basic rules.

But with this group of competitors and hosts? Even two long posts outlining fifteen detailed rules wouldn't be enough.

Hey, you're digging up a post from two months ago. It was written under completely different circumstances than today. The situation has changed.

That offer was made at a different time, in a different context. ☕

Back then, I was willing to be a moderator, and even willing to participate in the championship as a competitor at the same time.
Right now? As a competitor, I DO NOT want to be the host.

Consequently, I can only decide whether or not to serve as the host for the Formula 1 2013 season once I decide if I'm competing in it. Not before.

And the fact that you—even though you aren't the host, just a moderator—are suggesting that the users vote long before the current championship ends doesn't change my decision regarding participating as either a competitor or a potential host.

It’s quite simple, really. No need to overcomplicate things on my end.
I'll likely make my decision about next year's championship after the final race of the current season. I need to look back and weigh all the pros and cons of participating.

You could just wait for this season to wrap up, clear the air, and then start fresh by thinking about next season.
Why argue about the current season and the next one simultaneously, especially when the next season doesn't start for another six months?

My advice? We have all of December, January, and February to think about the Formula 1 2013 season. Why rush?

If you insist on rushing, my answer is clear: don't count on me.

Because I know how this PDF works. Everything will either be settled during the season, or it won't get settled at all.😢

I've been through this before. No matter how hard I try to arrange things after the season ends, nobody gives a damn until after the first race—usually once some drama starts unfolding regarding the results...

Then, predictably, it’s total chaos with the hosts. Who’s doing what, how it's happening, what the actual rules even are, etc.
We’ve literally written the rules a few minutes before the start, or even worse, right after qualifying or the race is over.

So, trust me when I say this: if anything gets decided, it'll happen by the final race of this season. If it isn't settled by then, it simply isn't happening.🤦

Jason Campbell70 said:Normal people would be fine with just a few basic rules.

But with this group of competitors and hosts? Even two long posts outlining fifteen detailed rules wouldn't be enough.

Hey, you're digging up a post from two months ago. It was written under completely different circumstances than today. The situation has changed.

That offer was made at a different time, in a different context. ☕

Back then, I was willing to be a moderator, and even willing to participate in the championship as a competitor at the same time.
Right now? As a competitor, I DO NOT want to be the host.

Consequently, I can only decide whether or not to serve as the host for the Formula 1 2013 season once I decide if I'm competing in it. Not before.

And the fact that you—even though you aren't the host, just a moderator—are suggesting that the users vote long before the current championship ends doesn't change my decision regarding participating as either a competitor or a potential host.

It’s quite simple, really. No need to overcomplicate things on my end.
I'll likely make my decision about next year's championship after the final race of the current season. I need to look back and weigh all the pros and cons of participating.

You could just wait for this season to wrap up, clear the air, and then start fresh by thinking about next season.
Why argue about the current season and the next one simultaneously, especially when the next season doesn't start for another six months?

My advice? We have all of December, January, and February to think about the Formula 1 2013 season. Why rush?

If you insist on rushing, my answer is clear: don't count on me.

Fine, thanks for the answer.👍

Matthew Young35 said:Why do you think anything would change if someone just wrote new rules from scratch?
It would be the exact same shit.
The same people would still be trolling.
Just a handful of them, whose sole purpose in life is to troll and nothing else.
Until the moderators hand out four or five permanent bans, there won't be a competition that attracts anyone other than a few trolls.
☕

Of course things would change.
If the host writes their own rules, then nobody gets to argue about what the previous rule-writer intended or how Max used to run things back in the day.
If there's a dispute, the host makes an argued decision and that's that. Period.

Up until now, everything has been a mess because Max spent half his time explaining his logic, and everyone else was doing the same thing...
With new rules, there's no more "but this is how it used to be" or "this is what Max meant when he wrote the rules."

Plus, the host could easily just drop a clause in the handbook like this:

Once results are posted, any player who thinks they were wronged or that the math is off has a 48-hour window to file an appeal.
Other players have no right to play lawyer or file appeals on behalf of someone else.
After that deadline passes, the results are final.☕

And 👋 that's it. Anyone who ignores that rule and tries to drag us into endless debates gets carded for trolling.
But you can't expect me to go around handing out cards just because someone is trying to explain how they followed the current rules, or what they thought the rules meant, or how things were handled similarly in the past under the same rulebook...

Jason Campbell70 said:I'm telling you, I just can't give you a definitive answer this early.
You know me—making snap judgments or sudden decisions only to backtrack later isn't how I operate. 🙂

Besides, why rush? Let's see how the current Championship wraps up first, then we can move on to the next one.

Alright, fine. You get one last shot while I'm feeling generous.

Answer these two questions straight:
1. Do you want to be included in the poll?
2. Will you host the championship if the players vote for you?

Any answer other than a simple "yes" or "no" is going to be treated as bottom-tier trolling, and I'll issue a ban accordingly.

Jenson Button - Lewis Hamilton
Fernando Alonso - Sebastian Vettel
Kamui Kobayashi - Sergio Perez
Jean-Éric Vergne - Daniel Ricciardo
Pastor Maldonado - Ayrton Senna

Matthew Young35 said:Since I was mentioned, I figured I should weigh in.
I have absolutely no intention of participating as long as a small handful of people are allowed to spend their time nitpicking the rulebook and trolling everyone else just for the sake of it. It’s pretty obvious who we’re talking about.
Honestly, it has become exhausting.
Until that dynamic changes, you won't see me among the competitors—and if history is any indication, many others will be staying away too.

So, why do I think it's way better if the host actually writes their own rules? Honestly, I’d even prefer a total overhaul with a completely different scoring system.

Up until now, we've dealt with nothing but nonsense where someone else writes the rules, the hosts just copy-paste them without even reading them... and it happens all the time where the hosts aren't even sure how to handle a situation, so they end up asking everyone and their mother for advice.
Then, naturally, everyone starts interpreting and explaining the rules their own way, a decision gets made... and then, of course, the person who originally wrote the rules shows up... and suddenly you've got a whole debate about what was "intended" or how things used to be done.
And in the end, you just have total chaos because the new decision usually contradicts whatever happened before.

That's exactly why I think this is the most important factor. I’m voting for whoever writes their own rules. If we don't pick them and end up stuck with the same old "copy-paste" rules again, I might just skip the championship entirely.

Jason Campbell70 said:As I mentioned at the start of my last post, whether or not I take part in the Reddit F1 championship 2013 will be the deciding factor here.

Look, sorry, but I’m not interested in playing guessing games about what you're thinking or if you're actually going to race...
All I care about is whether you want to be in the poll and if you want to be the host.
Your plans regarding the championship? Literally don't matter to me.

Honestly, I don't care about any of that. All I want to know is if you're down to be in the poll, and whether you'll step up as the host to run the championship if the players pick you.🤷

Fine, whatever works for you guys. I don't really care...
But honestly, I'd much rather have more candidates and a few different rule sets or scoring systems on the table. If Jason Campbell70 and Matthew Young35 actually want in, let's vote for them too alongside these three. Who knows, maybe someone else will step up.🤷
Main thing is, I’m not running a poll until everyone weighs in.

Look, if they don't have the time or energy to hammer out rules right now, we can just split it up. Pick a host first, then later the host can pitch a couple of different ways to run things.🤷

Either way, the season runs through November 25th, so there's plenty of time to settle everything and get the voting done.😉
We actually started on schedule this time, so there's zero reason to rush.🤷
It's better to have more people bringing different ideas to the table.🙂

Of course I have feelings... in extreme situations, my first instinct is to chuck the TV out the window.😬

But even then, it doesn't cross my mind, nor do I feel any urge, to go around insulting people on this forum.🤷
Look, I get it. Someone writes a quick post about a race and calls a driver an idiot or a moron because they're frustrated with a move. Totally fine. But I just don't see the point in writing a whole post dedicated solely to trashing an athlete and swearing at their family.

Even the drivers themselves don't feel the need to scream profanities at each other on live TV or online, even when it's their entire career on the line. Yet, there's this massive urge for people on American message boards to do exactly that, and apparently, that's "normal"...
Sorry, but not in my book.

If the admins think you need to hand out warnings and decide that this behavior is acceptable, go right ahead. I won't stop you.
But I won't be the one handing them out, because frankly, I don't see any reason to.

As far as I'm concerned,🙂

Look, how you run the championship is your call. You can pick whatever rules you want, as long as you actually bother to read them and understand them first.
Honestly, it’d be way better if you just wrote the rulebook yourselves. That way, there's no excuse for not knowing what the hell is going on in any given moment.😉

But here’s what actually matters to me:
- Pick a commissioner early enough.
- That commissioner needs to write the rules and actually know them inside and out.
- They have to stick to those rules religiously.
- The players should vote on both the commissioner and the rulebook (doesn't matter if it's together or separate).
- And finally, the players need to follow the rules and respect the commissioner.

If you check all those boxes, you basically eliminate the chance of things going off the rails.🙂

We shouldn't be stuck with a commissioner who just copied some rules from the internet without reading them...
Someone where the players end up explaining the rules *to him*, arguing about why something is or isn't allowed, while he sits there unsure of who's actually right.
It should be the exact opposite—the commissioner should be the one teaching the players the rules.
That’s what hasn't been working so far, and that’s exactly what needs to change.

It’s really not that big of a deal right now. We're still ages away from the start of next season... plus, since more people have stepped up as candidates, maybe extending the deadline wouldn't be such a bad idea? It might give us a few more 🤷
Say we pushed it back to September 30, 2012.

Anyway, here’s a quick recap of who’s signed up so far:
Terry Carter2 - suggesting their own rules
darkmarlin16
Douglas Patel32 - suggesting their own rules

And if I remember correctly:
Jason Campbell70 and Matthew Young35
I'm just not sure what happened with their entries or if they actually want to be part of the poll or not.🤷