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2012 Japanese GP (Suzuka) - Oct 7th in Formula 1 ·
So, here’s how things look after that first round of penalties...

1. Sebastian Vettel
2. Mark Webber
3. Kamui Kobayashi
4. Romain Grosjean and Sergio Perez
5. Sergio Perez
6. Fernando Alonso and Kimi Raikkonen
7. Kimi Raikkonen
8. Jenson Button
9. Lewis Hamilton
10. Felipe Massa
11. Paul di Resta
12. Pastor Maldonado
13. Nico Rosberg
14. Daniel Ricciardo
15. Hulkenberg
16. Vergne
17. Ayrton Senna
18. Heikki Kovalainen
19. Timo Glock
20. Pedro de la Rosa
21. Pic
22. Vitaly Petrov
23. Michael Schumacher
24. Narain Karthikeyan

This could easily end up being the race with the most post-qualifying penalties and a totally trashed order...
2012 Japanese GP (Suzuka) - Oct 7th in Formula 1 ·
Raymond Anderson4 said:I’m not sure what the actual rule is here. Does the driver have to be slower than their own personal best, or just obviously slow down?
Because being a tenth and a half slower in the final sector isn't really "slowing down" in any meaningful sense.
Regardless, whoever earned the penalty is getting it...

It wasn't just one sector; it happened right through that turn... from the moment the yellow flag popped up until the green flag showed😉
on Sky Sports. You can see it on his steering wheel... plus, he clearly shut off the DRS...

Anyway, I'm still expecting a penalty.
2012 Japanese GP (Suzuka) - Oct 7th in Formula 1 ·
Oh sure, because it obviously won't matter at all how much Kobayashi slowed down... okay, maybe it matters a tiny bit (around .150), but still☕
It doesn't matter anyway; the FIA will just decide it wasn't enough...
US Grand Prix (Indianapolis) 10.07.2012 in Formula 1 ·
Damn, Vettel is actually flying.🙏
If I read that gap right, he’s only 0.3 seconds back, but unlike everyone else on the grid, he’s the only one out there grinding on hards.🙏😁
US Grand Prix (Indianapolis) 10.07.2012 in Formula 1 ·
Amanda Kelly said:Is there any resident optimist (if you can even call them that) planning on catching FP tonight?

Duh, obviously.😁
I live for these middle-of-the-night practice sessions and races.😍

If I had my way, every race would start between 5:00 and 7:00 AM.😁
US Grand Prix (Indianapolis) 10.07.2012 in Formula 1 ·
Jason Campbell70 said:What a massive reach used to justify a direct comparison, weighing performance over three races against performance over nine.

What would it have looked like if the pressure hadn't crushed him🤣 🤣 🤣 ...and he had won last season too?

Forget Alain Prost, Michael Schumacher, and Ayrton Senna. 🙏 🙏 🙏
Three for three, man. 🙏 🙏 🙏

What does that "3/3" mean for the upcoming VN USA Japan? Nothing, obviously.

You got lost again... it's 8, not 9... at least when it comes to Suzuki.☕

It’s not like it means nothing, either.😁
Sebastian Vettel bagged three PP wins—he even went 5 for 5 in the top ten at the USA Japan GP.🙂)
Lojzek hasn't even snagged a single PP, and he’s failed to crack the top ten in qualifying three times out of eight—all while driving a Suzuki. Honestly, he’s never really shined in qualifying anyway; his best result is a fifth-place finish.

So, if I’m being very, very, VERY optimistic... I’m expecting Lojzek to miss Q3 entirely, finish outside the points, and watch Sebastian Vettel take the win.😁
Let’s go. Four P4 finishes, Lojzek falling out of the top 10 four times, and ending up with a four-point gap. Typical. 👋

444😍

Even on a Suzuki, the only guy who can touch his win count and PP stats is Michael Schumacher.☕

There are a few legends out there on the same level as Zlettelk... but come next Monday, Grandpa's going to be the only one performing, while everyone else just falls off.
And you can take your opinion on Alain Prost and shove it. 😬One pole position and zero wins. At this rate, he's basically on the same level as Alonso in that Suzuki.😁
Looks like they’re pretty similar drivers... at least on this track.😬
US Grand Prix (Indianapolis) 10.07.2012 in Formula 1 ·
Jason Campbell70 said:So, Vettel's "entire career." Or should I say, three races won while driving the fastest car on the grid?
Alonso’s entire career? It's three times longer than anyone else's, and he's outclassed everyone in just about everything.

Yeah, it’s a fair comparison. No doubt about it. 🙂

Look, it's not Vettel's fault he's younger than Alonso.🤷

And no, the comparison isn't relevant.🤣
It would be a complete miss if I were talking about an average qualifying position at Indianapolis.
And if you actually think none of the cars from 2001-2006 or 2009-2011 were good enough to grab anything better than 5th place... well, save that nonsense for people who have never watched a single American F1 race in their lives.

So, yeah, Sebastian Vettel grabbed 3 PPs with the fastest car on the grid (his 3rd, 4th, and 5th seasons)...
Meanwhile, during a similar stretch in his career, Fernando Alonso took 11th (2004), 16th (2005), and 5th (2006) (his 3rd, 4th, and 5th seasons) in a car that also secured back-to-back Constructors' and Drivers' titles (2005-2006)... and both drivers had similar experience levels at the time.
His teammates in that same car and timeframe managed 9th (2004—Jacques Villeneuve had just jumped in), 3rd (2005—Giancarlo Fisichella), and 6th (2006—Giancarlo Fisichella).

The comparison is completely off base and totally irrelevant.🙂

In this comparison, Alonso actually holds the higher ground since we're looking at the best result.
Not the worst, not the average, but the absolute best qualifying result at Indianapolis.☕

A PP versus 5th place? That's not a small gap.☕
For qualifying, it’s massive.☕

Whatever the reason might be, I don't care... just keep it going.🙂
US Grand Prix (Indianapolis) 10.07.2012 in Formula 1 ·
Amanda Kelly said:I hope you realize those two options aren't actually mutually exclusive. In fact, they’d likely both happen at once if that alternator decided to pack it in again. 😬

It’s mostly a pipe dream, but we've seen enough wild swings and total meltdowns this year to know that anything can happen—even if it feels like a long shot.

Unlikely.😁
From what I’ve heard, Red Bull is running last year's alternators right now (they pulled them from the Red Bull RB7 and shoved them into the Red Bull RB8). They haven't got many miles on them and haven't caused any issues yet... I think I saw it reported on CNN🤔
Plus, if they survived Singapore—where it was boiling hot and they spent ages crawling under the SC during a two-hour race—I doubt they're about to give up now.🙂
The real question is how many of those old units they actually have left in stock and if it'll carry them through the rest of the season.🤷
US Grand Prix (Indianapolis) 10.07.2012 in Formula 1 ·
Jason Campbell70 said:How convenient... they only look at Vettel's last three seasons, yet they judge Alonso based on his entire career. 😍

Critics might ask—what about Vettel's results before Red Bull? 🍿

Look at the big picture. You have to judge them by their entire career, both in the first race and the second. ☕

Jason Campbell70 said:How convenient... they only look at Vettel's last three seasons, yet they judge Alonso based on his entire career. 😍

Critics might ask—what about Vettel's results before Red Bull? 🍿

Maybe let the actual F1 journalists handle the questions, instead of people who clearly don't have a clue about Formula 1.☕
F1 journalists might actually want to ask themselves—is it really possible for people to be this clueless? Like, how do you not even know that Formula 1 didn't even race in Indianapolis during the 2007 and 2008 seasons? 🍿
US Grand Prix (Indianapolis) 10.07.2012 in Formula 1 ·
Amanda Kelly said:Besides, the Red Bull cars were actually decent for Indianapolis. Do they still have that pace?
And how exactly did Sebastian Vettel let that win slip away last year?

An Alonso-esque start in Singapore happens about once a year. Don't hold your breath for a repeat.

2009 was the same story.😍

It’s pretty wild that Sebastian Vettel's worst qualifying result was Suzuka PP 3/3.😍
Meanwhile, Alonso's best qualifying result at Suzuka is 5th place... and that’s considering every single race he's done there, even during those years when his car was actually decent in 2005 and 2006.😁

Vettel’s got three podiums from three races here, plus two wins...
Maybe the pressure finally got to him last year, but I'm still expecting a killer race from him.
US Grand Prix (Indianapolis) 10.07.2012 in Formula 1 ·
As far as Vettel and Alonso go, I hope the qualifying tradition at the US Grand Prix continues...
If both Alonso and Vettel end up starting where they did in Singapore, then TBF I’ll be pretty damn happy about it.😍
US Grand Prix (Indianapolis) 10.07.2012 in Formula 1 ·
I’m expecting to see signs like this in the stands...
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Maybe we should try a compromise along these lines:

Say we allow predictions to be submitted right before qualifying, but you take a hit on your points... for example

No penalty if the prediction goes in before Free Practice 1 starts.
-1(2) point penalty for submitting after FP1 begins.
-2(3) point penalty for submitting after FP2 begins.
-5 point penalty for submitting after FP3 begins.
Final deadline for all entries: 10 minutes before qualifying kicks off.

So, if you've got 45 bonus points but wait until 15 minutes before qualifying to submit, you lose 5 points and end up with 40. Simple math.

If we actually go this route, we really need just one single thread for predictions—strictly no commentary allowed.
Just to make everything way easier to track.

Then we can have a separate thread specifically for discussing everything else happening in the championship.
William Bennett53 said:That is certainly a valid point; having a steady, reliable host would be a significant asset to us. However, establishing a solid set of rules before the season kicks off is absolutely imperative. Without that foundation, endless arguments are virtually guaranteed. In my view, we need a clear, straightforward rulebook, along with a strict prohibition on debating those rules or their enforcement within the main threads. If necessary, we could always open a dedicated thread specifically for grievances regarding the rules and their application—much like how we currently have this specific thread for selecting a host, which avoids cluttering the active competition. This way, such debates don't devolve into endless trolling cycles that only serve to exhaust those who aren't interested in the drama or aren't even participating in the game.

Here’s the smartest way to handle this: Check out the predictor over at Autosport: http://predictor.autosport.com
Just start a league and call it a day. No rule interpreters, no endless whining about the rulebook, and no more exhausting debates over the fine print. Simple as that.
I don't need to listen to all the whining over at kzb. Everything's fine as far as I'm concerned.😁

Everything else is just going to be a total mess in the end.
Unless we implement a rule where this championship thread stays strictly limited to predictions and results—and anything else gets slapped with a penalty for spamming or trolling...

Let’s open up a new thread for all the racing series so those who actually feel like arguing have a place to go.🤷 Look, the Host shouldn't be obligated to answer for anything, period. And obviously, we need to start nuking the trolls and the insults.

Opening this first thread for all formal complaints. Just one rule: keep them constructive. I don't want to see any petty insults or trolling directed at other players or fellow members. Every player gets a set number of appeals per season, and once they're gone, they're gone. Management's word is final—period. Whoever you elect will enforce the rulebook, so don't come crying to me with "well, actually" arguments after the fact.

I’ve gotta say, I am absolutely loving this:
Matthew Young35 said:Here are the most critical points from my proposal that I would like others to incorporate into their own rules.

4. The final standings shall be announced by the championship host or someone specifically authorized by them.

6. Transcribing results is permitted.

7. If a player is dissatisfied, they may lodge a complaint with the host. If the host stands by their decision, the player must either accept the ruling or withdraw from the competition. However, if they can gather more than half of the competitors to support their grievance, the host shall be removed from their position.

9. The HOST and the MODERATORS are responsible for ensuring the smooth running of the competition.

10. Rules are to be interpreted in good faith. Therefore, if anyone exploits a loophole to gain a scoring advantage or simply to troll for the sake of it, they will be ignored. Furthermore, moderators are encouraged to issue appropriate penalties in accordance with the site's anti-trolling policies.

Everything else is secondary.

And here are some extra rules for the subforum:
Any posts along the lines of "while I was writing the rules, I was thinking," "back when I was running things...", "to me, it makes sense regardless of what the rulebook says..." or "I didn't really read the rules, but..." will get hit with a 100-point penalty and a three-day ban.
If you try to push back against the director's decision or drag things out indefinitely, you're looking at a 100-point penalty and a three-day ban. Simple as that.
- Using clones in competition threads (like playing against yourself, acting as both host and player, or having two candidates for host roles) results in a permanent ban for the clone, a 7-day suspension for the original account, and a partial ban from the Formula 1 PDF section for that user.
- Constantly breaking the same rules during competitions will lead to a partial ban from the Formula 1 PDF.

I'm seriously considering implementing these rules:cerek
Was digging around online today and stumbled onto this.

Rules are simple, pick 10 drivers you think will finish the race in the points and place them in the order of which you think they will finish. points are awarded according to the difference between your selection and the race result, providing the selected driver's score in points.
o Picking driver in correct place earns 25 points.
o One place out earns 18 points.
o Two place out earns 15 points.
o Three places out earns 12 points.
o Four places out earns 10 points.
o Five places out earns 8 points.
o Six places out earns 6 points.
o Seven places out earns 4 point.
o Eight places out earns 2 points.
o Nine places out earns 1 point.
Maximum points per race is 250.

Example for the 2011 Brazilian Grand Prix:

Tip / Result: Points

1: Sebastian Vettel / 2nd: 18 points
2: Lewis Hamilton / ret: 0 points
3: Mark Webber / 1st: 15 points
4: Jenson Button / 3rd: 18 points
5: Kamui Kobayashi/ 9th: 10 points
6: Michael Schumacher / 15th: 0 points
7: Nico Rosberg/ 7th: 25 points
8: Buemi / 12th: 0 points
9: Fernando Alonso / 4th: 8 points
10: Vitaly Petrov / 10th: 25 points

Therefore my overall score for Brazil would be:
134 points

The person who has the most points by the end of the season wins the championship.

Your picks must be entered before Friday Practice 1 and can be changed any time before the session starts (just be sure to let me know). Any late picks will incur a penalty depending on how many sessions have passed.
-15 points for FP1
-18 points for FP2
-25 points for SP1
-DSQ for Qual

Clever scoring system, actually quite interesting.😁
Really like the part about the practice sessions...
Looks like they slapped Dedа with a penalty just because he spent too much time in the restroom 🤣
Even though they shouldn't have, since technically "Sid was on his mind"😬
Jerry Rogers6 said:Horner Said: "The championship is wide open. It's just annoying how Fernando keeps popping up on the podium right at the end of the Grand Prix.
"You have to include Mark, you have to include Jenson, even Kimi isn't far off and of course Lewis. There's six races left—150 points still on the table—so there's still plenty to fight for."
"Sebastian was trailing by 25 points with only two races left back in 2010, which just goes to show that anything can happen for any of these drivers.
"We need to keep taking points OFF Fernando, which really means we need to get a few more cars between us and him."


Man, Horner wants you to believe Mark is even in the conversation—you guys clearly have no clue.☕

😁

Look, everything you guys are typing here is perfectly clear to me, but I honestly don't get what Mark Webber's angle is here or why he's agreeing to this.

Yesterday, it felt like only the main duo actually drove a real race; everyone else looked like they were just showing up for qualifying.
Screw that.

Mark absolutely botched that second SC period and the pit entry.😢
I seriously don't understand the logic behind pitting him for fresh rubber on lap 28, only to drag him back in again at lap 40.😵
I mean, Alonso pitted on lap 30 and just stayed out until the end...

If Mark hadn't gone in that second time—even with whatever insane tire degradation he was dealing with—he wouldn't have dropped below 5th or 6th.🤦
He was right on di Resta's gearbox on those yellows and about 5 seconds behind Vettel right when he dove into the pits. Who on earth thought that was a move? And more importantly, whose "brilliant" idea was it?🙄

If they were using his data to help Vettel, they should've done the exact opposite and kept him out longer to see how much life was left in those tires.😳

The only thing that makes any sense is if they thought everyone else would pit, allowing him to jump di Resta and Alonso. But even then, it’s pretty stupid considering they just shoved him straight into a massive traffic jam...
It would have made way more sense to hold him out until, say, lap 48 or 50, then go for a set of reds and try an ultra-fast final stint. This? This made zero sense.🤦
Reddit F1 Super League 2012 in Formula 1 ·
stormybadger8 is wondering what the point even is...🤦

It's pretty obvious if you look at how the guy who actually wrote the rulebook interprets them...
based on those rules, maminho should’ve been disqualified two rounds ago☕.
Honestly, I expected him to act like an adult and just loudly announce the correct results.
But not only did he fail to post disqualifications or the actual scores...
he keeps dodging the topic too. He won't call up the substitutes for a few rounds, instead, he's trying to cook the books by making sure the sub he's supposed to face isn't available, so he can basically claim points without even playing the match.🙄

This whole competition has gone completely off the rails. No results, and the matchups for next week are literally unknown.🤦
And the commissioner is busy awarding himself points by intentionally ignoring the subs—all while he should've been disqualified according to his own damn rulebook.
Whenever anyone asks about the scores or anything else, he just drifts off-topic and plays dumb.

And yeah, my bad. I should have just disqualified the kid instead of expecting him to actually be honest.
I shouldn't have expected honesty from you either. By ignoring all of this, you've made it crystal clear how little you care about keeping this thing fair.🙄
Your only goal is clearly to mess with people. There's no other way to interpret it when you act completely opposite in two identical situations.
One minute you're a hardcore rule follower, the next you ignore everything and stay "wisely" silent.👎
When it comes to ignoring the fact that subs exist, or the attempts to cheat points that way, you just stay quiet and pretend you don't care.🙄
I should have banned you for trolling ages ago because it's obvious now: you just want to screw with the leagues, not run them properly.
So, I definitely won't make that mistake again.😳

As for everything else, there are specific threads for that. Just so we're clear, any discussion on this thread that isn't about the Super Bowl will result in a ban and a deletion..☕
William Bennett53 said:He made a few comments regarding the announcers. Honestly, just like I told him, this specific lineup is the best one we could realistically hope for, but they actually managed to mess up today by claiming:
- that de la Rosa has over 200 starts
- that the screen incorrectly showed an overtake between Mark Webber and Kamui Kobayashi being checked
- that Fernando Alonso had extended his lead in the standings (which, as I mentioned earlier, was already mocked by Paul Lopez6)

tbf - congrats on the win. 🙏 It was intense. 🙏
Anyway, are you unhappy because you think I'm being too loud, or are you just ignoring my attempt for some other reason? 😁

Nah, doesn't feel quite right to me. I'd have preferred her to win without Hamilton pulling out.
Still, thank God, at least she might actually change her helmet now🤣 it would be painful watching another race like that🤣
Tyler Bennett5 said:You definitely have a sharper eye for detail than I do.
Was Massa actually completely off the track at that chicane—with all four wheels crossing the white line—or were his right tires still technically on the racing line?
And did cutting that chicane give him the momentum he needed to pull ahead of Ayrton Senna?

They were debating it on BBC and concluded his front right was on the track the whole time... maybe a centimeter or two off, but still inside.
That means he only had three wheels off the track, so there's absolutely no case for a penalty.😉